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JeSoul: Mazaje thank you as always.

At atheists on this thread, do not crash or derail the topic. I don't know why you guys always see the need to crash christian topics without disruptive comments. If you have nothing to contribute to the topic, its not by force to post, go and make your own topic.

any repeat trouble makes should expect a ban. Thanks.

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@David, can you clarify, what sort of examples do mean?

I am so scared, Jesoul wants to ban me!!!

On a serious note, a Godly relationship in the bible prohibits sex before marriage. Sex before marriage is almost impossible or at least very hard to achieve. Also, we are animals and we always have to be sexually attracted to a person of the opposite sex before marriage. No one dates/marries someone that they dont want to have sex with later.

A godly or religous relationship is impossible unless you're a eunuch

Cine: Just reading through some of these comments --- makes for some serious lolzzz....

No ones ever convinced anyone anywhere on the internet that their deeply held beliefs may well be wrong - stupid - or just ignorant. Stand up atheists, theists, conspiracy theorists.

You could present facts all day to anyone with any (misguided but) deeply held belief and the one thing they're not going to do is check facts (or fact check) and then acknowledge they may have been slightly wrong/ignorant on the subject. Psychology has long called this the 'backfire effect': when people's beliefs are challenged with facts, the beliefs they hold become stronger and harder for them to shake. It's in all our natures. Go on, fact check, and then please get bored of your opinions as quickly as possible.

So enough of the condescending remarks from theists on how you hope God opens your eyes before it's too late/you'll burn in hell for this and that.... and Atheists unless you've got something 'real' to campaign about like muslims attempting to introduce sharia law into your neighborhood, or christians trying to block the teachings of einstein in class etc etc - please do us all a favour and shut the Bleep up.

Hello, Mr. Holier than thou aka Mr self righteous. There's always some smartass dude that takes the middle and judges both sides

I didnt make this thread to be nice to religious people nor to convince them. I did it to make them to stop saying that atheists/agnostics will burn in hell. I also made the thread to get people thinking

emmatok: See how you keep deluding yourselves.

Zen Bhuddists believe in God but not in Supreme Being as Christianity and Islam.

Judaism/Jews are the foundation of Christianity and Islam so they believe in GOD.

Most Japanese are religious what do you think they do those temples. Manufacture electronics?

They(Japanese) may not have the the-same believe [b]pattern [/b]with Christianity and Islam,but they are not ATHEIST.

ATHEIST HAS NOTING TO DO WITH RELIGION.

Emmatok fail 1) Zen Buddhists don't believe in a God.If you think otherwise, then what is the name of their God?

Emmatok fail 2) You said that only chrstianity and islam believe a god, which I corrected with judaism.

Emmatok fail 3)I gave you fact that shows that 64% of Japanese say that they dont believe in god. Like a sore loser you keep arguing otherwise. Btw not everyone goes to the temples. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Japan

rawtruth: God has no form but those who believe He exists use the pronoun 'He' when they talk about 'Him'.

God is the source of everything, yes! Evil is the choice of bad over good. God allows us to decide our destiny on earth through our freewill. He has however indicated to us the consequence of every choice we made, be it good or bad. No sane adult is unaware of the difference between bad and good. for example,if you used a machete to clear land for farming you have done good with it, but use the same machete to cut someone or destroy another person's property and you could be jailed for causing harm. So, depending on your concept of evil, this simple example answers your question in that regard.

So god is a source of evil? lmao. And you want me to believe in him?

God doesnt exist

Idango: When a man’s heart is cold and unconcerned about religion – when his hands are never employed in doing God’s work – when his feet are not familiar with God’s ways – when his tongue is seldom or never used in prayer and praise – when his eyes are blind to the beauty of the kingdom of heaven – when his mind is full of the world, and has no room for spiritual things – when these marks are to be found in a man, the word of the Bible is the right word to use about him, and that word is, ‘Dead.’”

J.C. Ryle (1816-1900)

Quoting someone does not make you smart or right

Idango: You dont know what happen when you die, you just assume that you cease to exist. And you are taking such a heavy risk with your life making assumption?
First you assume there is no God,
then you assume the earth and human just came on their own and begin to evolve and
then you assume that when you die, you just close your eyes and everything ceases.
You are deluded.
Just retrace your step now and come to God before it is too late.

You assume that there is God with no proof. I assume that there is no God because there is growing evidence more and more things that were not created.

You assume that the earth was created but have no no proof and no idea about the other 99% of the universe (the other galaxies).

You assume that there is a heaven or hell with no evidence and you can even describe it with accurate detail- is heaven in the sky or on other planets? Is hel a lake of molten magma or burning coal?

rawtruth: You strayed from your main question into another one by mixing God with religion. The question: "Where is God in our everyday lives?' alone is 'huge' enough to attract hundreds of pages in responses. One elementary mistake common to many is the belief that everyone who believes in God has a religion. Even what we call Christianity today did not start out as a religion. It is the human way of conceiving what is 'good' before God and the rules intended to keep believers from straying into what is 'bad' that have assumed the tag of 'religion'.

And, if you had enough understanding of the word "GOD" you wouldn't make such statement; quoting different individuals who had/have no belief in God but had/have contributed much through inventions and other areas of human endeavours. For, God is the SOURCE of all existence! Would you then doubt that there has never been a source from which all existence came forth? This very SOURCE maintains and sustains all that exist till today. If these inventors and those you mentioned are parts of an existence that owes its coming into effect to this one SOURCE then God has everything to do with their/our everyday lives; because that SOURCE is GOD!

What/who is God? Is God a man or woman? Is God a source of evil since he is the source of everything?

Detongue: It only a fool dat will say, der is no GOD.

Yes, Mark Zuckerberg is a fool and you're smart

epizhotletgs: You might think this is a complicated issue on ground but i assure you its not. The knowledge they use in the production of all the gadgets you talk about isn't theirs even if they don't see it that way. The Lord granted them the knowledge not their mini gods or believes.
Christians have a duty of changing and turning the heart of Man to God, not manufacturing of gadgets that would take mans focus further away from God.
What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and loose his soul? Making Heaven is 100% more important than making history.

God also granted them the knowledge of atheism?

iv4fb: "The fool has said in his heart there is no God".

"... And the love of many shall wax cold"

Lots of people shall go away from the faith, its end time.

@logicboy, your points were well stated, u win! You could even start a race, you already have followers. But I also have issues against u

1. As an atheist, logicboy what have u invented and in which way have u help solve the problems religion creates in Nigeria?
2. Since when did u become an atheist?

1)I contribute to a children's charity and I also help poor relatives in Nigeria go to school
2)Since I saw that the bible loves slavery;
Leviticus 25:44
"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.

1 Peter 2:18
"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."

Titus 2:9
"Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them"


Furthermore, as a Nigerian, why should I accep a foriegn religion brought to my country with slavery?

Originakalokalo: dat is to tell you that this world has been occupied by the agents of darkness.they rule the world and control evrytin in it.God almighty should come to our rescue quickly or...................

Zuckerberg is an agent of darkness

Dude, you got reasoning issues

mazaje: Logic mind . . . .

This topic is supposed to be a christian only topic why are you trolling?. . .Leave the OP and his people to share ideas and experiences with each other abeg. . . .

I am Logicboy not logicmind, dont be dyslexic!

Christian only? My muslim friends also have a God (Allah) centred relationship.

beneli: @ the bolded, you are!

'The other question is why does religion especially Christianity and Islam contribute less to the solutions of human problems of today in terms of technology, science and better government compared to atheism and agnosticism? (most peaceful countries are less religious)'

The part in itallics was your second question in the original post.

Developments in science, technology etc are products of man's creative genius. So I was indeed responding to you. People coming to your house and telling you that you will burn in hell, when using products made by intelligent man whether atheists or not are NOT true believers!

Religion is only a shadow of the truth. True believers are not religious . . .

I can see how you draw your conclusion on creativity from my comment. However, I was specifically talking about the reluctance of christianity and islam to act on issues rather than spread their doctrine.

beneli: It’s not belief – or unbelief – in God that makes humans creative.

So @ logicboy, this topic is, quite honestly, illogical . . .

Who is talking about creativity? Point is that people should realise that saying athiest will burn in hell when using products made by atheists is just laughable!

I couldnt care less about what people believe but christians are a bunch of busy bodies- I have jehovah's witness and mormons disturbing my house on sundays and I have evangelists preaching in buses and market squares. You want me to hear your Jewish god's message? Then listen to my atheistic opinion first!

[quote author=th3_h4x0r]Mr. Atheist what will happen to you after you die?[/quote]Nobody knows. Not even you christians.

Tinax: Seems every thing is bottled up in "believe" does atheism provide a general ethical code of conduct?.because in the bible to kill,steal, lie etc are general accepted sin.

Common sense. Weighing the pros and cons of your actions.

Tinax: @logicboy,so as an atheists one don't hv to worry abt hell?..the things of God are realy mystery.

Yes, I dont worry about hell as I believe that it doesnt exist

crackhouse: and u that is an atheist how many have u produce. By the way, who told u they are atheists.

Check their wikipedia pages or biographies! wow, how ignorant can someone get?

freshera: I don't remember saying anything about being forced.

I dont remember saying anything about buying either

freshera: If you intelligently conduct a good research and ask honest questions humbly, you will understand the bible more. I can't say more than that cos I don't know everything.

It is possible to convert a die-hard bad person with good behaviour. You can't control people's actions but you can control your reaction which is the most important aspect for you(not You, speaking generally).

My religion does not teach people to do evil. Crucify the bad person for his evil heart not his religion. the extremist stabbing, God forbid, I reject it in IJN.

Now you know where I'm coming from

freshera: Most of you atheist are looking for attention because God didn't answe your prayers. Some of you I will say are just wimpy.

Most of you have the pride of Lucifer.

Nobody will ever know who created God, christian or not.

So why do the unintelligent pursuit of asking who created Him? It's eternally pointless.

Except you are jealous of His power and mystery and intelligence and creativity and thinking just like Lucifer. You want to know what makes God tick? Okay o.

You say atheists have the pride of lucifer which is very ironic because your God was foolish and arrogant enough to create an Angel (lucifer) that is powerful enough to destroy his relationship with human beings and rebel against him!

Fairytale aside, your god doesnt exist. Tell me, has he talked to you? what accent does he have and does he sound like a woman or man?

emmatok: HA HA you just failed yourselves.

Agnostic,Zen Buddhist are some forms of believes and religion.

And where did you get that crap the Japanese do not believe in God?

The Japanese practice Shinto and Buddhism.

They more temples than you can imagine.

Christianity and Islam are the only religion the believes in GOD.

Zen Bhuddists do not necessarily believe in a God. Epic fail Emmatok 1

Most Japanese do not believe in a god - 70% no religion, 64% no God. Epic fail Emmatok 2

Judaism/Jews believe in God. Epic fail Emmatok 3

edcode: Where is God in our everyday lives? God is everywhere, performing a balancing act to keep the physical world as we know it. Handling big issues like the weather on earth or trivial issues like initiating the death of a baby. Providing surplus for a few and scarcity for many. Giving men the ideas and ability to produce weapons of mass destruction and also medicine and procedures that extend and make our lives better. You know, all the stuff we see around everyday. Either that or God has lost interest, has fallen asleep or is dead, leaving everything on some bizarre autopilot.

Edcode, epic is thy comment.

Idango: Please what happen to an atheist when he dies ? someone should help me.

We atheists don't know. We assume that you just cease to exist

Revolva: thank you bro....for me i dont belive in hell or heaven its only a state of mind...our heaven or hell is here on earth and will be here on earth if the world ends...

Cool bro

freshera: The question is if we use so many products made by atheists/agnostics in our personal lives, what right do we have to say that they are going to hell?

[size=14pt]ARE THESE PRODUCTS FREE OF CHARGE?[/size]

ARE YOU FORCED TO BUY THE PRODUCTS OF UNBELIEVERS AND ATHEISTS?

freshera: You can't blame God for the behaviours of xtians.

The two key points in the bible:

Love the Lord your God with . . .

Love thy neighbour as thyself.

How many xtians practise these? Most of the miracles we get are just from mercy cos human beings are not loving at all. People are naturally selfish.

Fine love God for goodies but after getting the goodies nko? people don't love.

How many xtians pray for their neighbours? People pray for themselves for 5hrs, neighbours 5mins. God can be limited by people's behaviours just like a xtian eating McDonald everyday can get cancer.

Please go to God and stop trying to arrogantly and steadfastly say untrue stuff. If God is unimportant in your opinion, why why waste time and intelligence talking about his non-existence. It is like talking about a baby that has not been conceived. And whose parents haven't even met.



[b]Just say, God exists but you don't like Him, that is better.[/b]Not like I care what you say anyway. Let everyone do what they like.

1) I dont judge christians.....I use their bible which supports slavery;
Leviticus 25:44
"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.

1 Peter 2:18
"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."

Titus 2:9
"Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them"

2)God doesnt exist. You ask me why I waste time arguing over something that doesnt exist? The answer is simple; I was almost killed by someone who believed that he was doing God's work. The non-existent God is not the problem, its the people that believe in him. I ty to educate them. Have you ever been stabbed by an extremist?

emsquare: Basing your fact on dis! You're heading a wrong part....

God is everwhere hovering round us.

Yet, he is nowhere to be seen in this physical world

Dyamante: Correct me if im wrong but atheists dont believe in the God's existence right? But the fact that they dont BELIEVE is already an acknowledgement of God already

Is your religion stupidity?

dustydee: Steve jobs wans't an athiest. @op you failed to talk about the greatest scientists of all time
Albert Einstein, Isaac newton, James Watt, A. Bell etc. were they athiests too? And you being an athiest what have you contributed to humanity? if you haven't contributed anything please shut up.

I contribute monthly to a children's charity. You are such a hypocrite, doesnt your religion tell you not to judge others?

Steve Jobs is a Zen Buddhist and if you had sense, you will understand that he has more in common with an atheist than a christian because Zen Buddhists do not necessarily believe in a God

[quote author=tpia@]the fact that nobody bothered replying the thread, should have worried the op, assuming he had the sense to figure out why.[/quote]Did you just ignore all the comments on this thread?