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DaddyCoool:
You don't measure them directly.
Sir, I've only ever had this one moniker and I've had it for a long time - maybe u think everyone is like you

You have to conduct measurements not mere thoughts. LoLz.

Like me? I certainly hope not. Then there won't be people like you who we can school or clown on.

DaddyCoool:
Read below some "illogicalities" of QM, let's see who fell into a rabbit hole

Show where it says quantum particles or any of its states don't exist until observed.

DaddyCoool:
You know what I mean.
Ok, use another example: it is illogical for a particles to appear on the other side of a solid it cannot possibly pass through. Is that good enough for ya?

OMFD! Do you know the size of quantum particles compared to the atoms that make up a solid? By Orion's Beard you are so terrible at this.

DaddyCoool:
It is not a question of what I'm familiar with, it is a question of from what perspective we'er talking.
From the perspective of our everyday macro world it is ILLOGICAL and will always be for something to exist only when it's being observed.

Your economics analogy does not apply. For our purposes here we need a word that describes something that doesn't make sense or follow a predictable pattern. Both "illogical" and "counterintuitive" fit the bill

You posted something with superposition on it and yet you are still saying it doesn't exist until observation. Have you even read what QM is about or are you just regurgitating what you barely understood from the internet rabbit hole you fell in?

DaddyCoool:
You're the one talking nonsense sir.
We don't directly "see" quantum particles in the way we see macroscopic objects. Instead, we observe their effects on other particles or devices, allowing us to infer their properties and behavior.

Dumdum we have to measure them to make those observations.

You remind me of some other person that came awhile ago talking about Einstein and Musk like a fanatic. Sure you didn't just change monikers? LoLz.

DaddyCoool:
Huh? Airport what? I don't know what you're talking about. All I know is that our macro world it is ILLIOGICAL for something to be there only when there's an observer!

LoLz. Ahh, you've never been to an airport sorry.

WTF are you on about? Quantum particles are always there. You don't even know what you are saying and tctrills thinks you are smart. What a shame. LoLz.

DaddyCoool:
Please tell him. The oga is only good at insult. Thank you very much

LoLz. When you people start with insult e go dey sweet you but when you receive it back you start crying crocodile tears.

DaddyCoool:
Mere observation which is same as thought not necessarily measurement - they are there only when you look!

LoLz. You cannot observe quantum particles without measurement. Abeg stop talking jargons you don't know.

tctrills:
I have followed the thread. DaddyCool is actually very smart, and just because you can't present satisfactory answers is no reason to call her dumb.
Go do more research and come up with better answers, no need to insult.

LoLz. I just finished predicting that ignorant ones will fall for such pathetic schemes and here you come. The argument is straightforward, calling a system that can be predicted with high accuracy illogical is the work of dunces.

DaddyCoool:
So u understand binary system is illogical in our everyday decimal system.
So also particles behavior in the quantum workd is illogical in our macro world, though you can set up a system of logic in the quantum world where all those characteristics would be logical and intuitive

You went to the airport and they said produce your ID before you board the plane, argue with them that they are illogical because you entered a bus without ID whether you won't look like a fool.

Redefining stuff just to fit your jargons is intellectual dishonesty and unfortunately ignorant people like you will keep falling for such pathetic tactics.

DaddyCoool:
For a long time thoughts and imagination were observed to seemingly affect reality then QM came along and provided physical instance where that actually happens!

Dumdum thoughts don't affect QM. The observer effect is measurement not thought you deluded twât.

DaddyCoool:
You are the one talking foolish sir.
1+1=11 is illogical in our normal world BUT quite logical in the binary world

You are the dumb one looking at binary and expecting it to be decimal. Dumb and deluded.

DaddyCoool:
Both "illogical" and "counterintuitive" describe something that doesn't make sense or follow a predictable pattern. All these are counter to logic of our macro world (normal meaning of logic, as I emphasized). Of course anything can be logical within it's own context, but that's not what we're talking about. You may create a system of logic based on the quantum world and have all these logical and even intuitive, but we're talking from perspective of our macro world!

So they are illogical because you define them to be illogical. SMH.

If they were illogical we would not know how to find them but we found them and can even predict their characteristics. Stop saying what you don't know and redefining things to fit your kookie jargons.

DaddyCoool:
Ok, I've now read it and your link. I think you're going to confuse yourself and the "audience" delving mathematics.
I was going to use the word "counterintuitive" but I decided that intuition usually follows logic and what is counterintuitive is very likely to also be illogical, so no need using such a long word!
All these points below about QM are both counterintuitive and illogical (it's normal meaning)

None of these are illogical unless you don't know the meaning of the word.

DaddyCoool:
It is magical sir, because it makes the seemingly difficult or impossible, easy. It shifts the needful from outside you to inside your head! Which makes it all magic NOT logic or science (which are what FiveFootNinja is always trying to fit things into!)

If you THINK you are beaten, you are;
If you THINK you dare not, you don't.
If you'd like to win, but THINK you can't,
you won't.
If you THINK you'll lose, you've lost...
Sooner or later the man who wins
Is the man who THINKS he can!

LoLz. These are just silly platitudes that ignore reality. Only someone living in lalaland thinks this is how the world works.

StillDtruth:
Like you were not talking about the whole bible.

Even at that no can tell the whole story of their marriage and lives without holes and cuts.

So you are still talking rubbish looking for useless arguments to make.

SMH you really are a slowpoke for real.

StillDtruth:
When the automobile, submarines and scud missiles, infra red, Bluetooth were first made, they were called magic.

So leave excess talk

Abeg jor, carry your yeye go one side.

A story only a Christian would make. LoLz. A Christian fantasy tale with very little that can be called real in the responses.

Speaklove:
I think this needs to be here .
It's an excerpt from the story I wrote on the literature section titled " the testimony of a freed man ,two kingdoms one soul ."

(Lordreed you are invited to meditation )

Read and learn .

THE TESTIMONY OF A FREED MAN : TWO KINGDOMS ONE SOUL.

PAGE ~26 : THE DIVINE KNOWLEDGE .

Few minutes After the angry philosopher left ;
Someone walked close to me from behind and said "don't mind that foolish, and mad fellow !
He talks like a drunk mad man ;
He claims to use his mind but lives in self-delusion ."

Please stop !
I think that is not polite at all .
(I replied)

A man should be call wath he truly is my friend ; and I think that guy is a fool .
But with the way you spoke I'm afraid he has succeeded in deceiving you .

So if you chose to speak this way how do one defines you yourself ?

I am a freethinker .

But he claimed to be the same as yourself
(I replied)

What do you mean by that .

He also walks after the dictates of his own heart like yourself .
(I replied)

No he is a philosopher ,I am not .

But you are the same.
(I claimed )

Stop insulting me please I said we are different ,do you understand .

Ehm ...
I am sorry for speaking rashly
(She apologized)

(Then I took cognizance that I was actually speaking with a woman this time .)

THE WOMAN : Hmm .
So where are you heading to ?

ME: I am on my way to Eden ( I said shamefully )

THE WOMAN: on your way to Eden ?
In this twenty first century ?
Is it the same Eden I read about in some strange man made scriptures or some other place called Eden in this modern time ?

ME: Hmm ....
Y, yy,yy yes !
that one ( i stammered with a shamed face )

THE WOMAN: Ah !
You mean the Eden where Adam was claimed to have come from ?

ME: Ye, yyes !
That one (I replied with my gaze on the ground )

Hahahaha (she laughed )
Ah !
Religion has finished this one ooooooo
(she exclaimed)
Poor soul (she cried and and dropped a sigh )

THE WOMAN : So, Mr Eden-goer
What are you going there to do in Eden ?

ME: Ehm .
I'm going there to meet God .

THE WOMAN: God ?
Which God ?
What is it that you want from this so-called God that man can't do for you or you can't do for yourself ?

ME: Ehm ehm ehm ( I struggled for words )
(This lady would mock the hell out of me if i should tell her the truth .
Would she understand if I tell her what it is ?)
(I thought )

(Maybe you should tell her , you shouldn't judge a book merely by its cover ,what if she's got the cure to your problem )
( another though suggested )

or am I too harsh on you mister ?
(she asked ,and awoke me from my thoughts )

ME: Ehm ,actually ,actually ................


THE WOMAN: Actually what ?
Or you don't know where you are even going to ?
You must be a confused fellow

ME: No !
I am not confused ,And know where I am going to .
I am going to ask God to give me drink from the river of life and to give me food from the tree of life .
( I yelled out in anger having felt insulted by this unmannered lady )

THE WOMAN: You see !
I know which button to press to make you speak out ,and now I knew that idiot has deceived you indeed or you ended up deceiving each other .

(Then I knew she intentionally spoke the way she did just to force me speak out the hidden thoughts of my mind .
but now it's to late to be ashame.
I'm gonna give it to her raw has it is without without minding the consequences)
(I THOUGHT)


What is wrong with what I have said for God sake ?
(I asked the lady )

THE WOMAN: Everything !
Everything is totally wrong with what you've said for the sake of not using your brain .
Can't you get water to drink from these rivers by the road side ?
Are these not fruit to eat from
(she said pointing to the trees on the way side )
You want to go meet your sky daddy .
I wonder how you will get to this your delusional Eden talk less of meeting one fake God that is a product of human imaginations .

ME: those trees don't have any fruit that can deal with my hunger ,neither can the waters from these rivers quench my thirst .

THE WOMAN: How come ?
Are you different from others who have drank from those rivers and are satisfied ?
Or are you more human than those who ate from the fruits of these trees ?
You are just a self- righteous fellow .
(She accused me )


ME: No not at all .
it's just that there is an unexplainable hunger ,and thirst withing my spirit ,that I can't explain .

THE WOMAN: Your spirit ?
Man has no spirit .
MAN is COMPLETELY made off flesh ,so only you know what spirit you are talking about .

ME: You see !
I knew beforehand that you wouldn't understand what I'm going through;
I perceived from the very beginning that you're not spiritual ,but whoever is spiritual discerns all things .

THE WOMAN: Nothing like Spirituality my friend !
You are simply an uneducated slowpoke .
just take off your mind from these spiritual things and you would be fine .

ME: is taking off my mind the same as taking off reality ?

THE WOMAN: Yeah I love the word "reality "
Reality are things that are real not some man made spiritual stuff having no visible evidences .

ME: What do you mean by man made ?
Are these notions of yours not man made ?
Or were they from God ?
And by what criterion did you arrived at what definition reality should assumed ?

THE WOMAN: My claims are man made but self -checked ,and freely accepted.
But yours are man -made ,demands for faith ,and are forcefully accepted.
they ain't even real because you can't prove them .
You can't !

ME: What do you want me to prove ?

THE WOMAN: prove that man was created by God and let's see !

ME: What proves do you still need ?

THE WOMAN: What prove have you given ?

ME: from where did man got all the knowledge he has ?
Who taught man to live and behaves differently from the animals ?
Why is man's system of thinking different from all other species ? .
Why is it that even though man is the most intelligent VISIBLE being on earth yet he is limited in all things and depends on others to live comfortable ?
If he is the God of himself why didn't he modify himself into a more sophisticated being.

THE WOMAN: Everything you've said are claims my foolish friend .
You are yet to give me one single proof that man was created by a God .

ME: Okay if man was not created by God who created him then ?

THE WOMAN Have you not been to school before ?
Haven't they taught you on the the bing bang or on the subject of evolution ?

ME: That is also a mere claim and no evident for that .

THE WOMAN: But that is science ,and science has been able to provide proofs for many of its claims .

ME: is that science ?
that is human philosophy ,and human opinion .

No it is science (she argued)

what is the meaning of the word "SCIENCES ?"
(I asked )

well it means "KNOWLEDGE "
(She replied)

ME: so if what you've said is science
Then what I said earlier is also science which means knowledge .
The difference is : One is human knowledge ,and the other is divine knowledge.

THE WOMAN: but through that so-called human knowledge
Many inventions has been made ,and many lives have been changed if you don't know ,
But what has your divine knowledge done for humanity ?

ME: Through the divine knowledge of God all things that pertain to life and godliness has been given .(I replied)

Pertain to live and godliness !

What things is it that pertains to life and godliness ? (She asked )

ME: Well I would say you should guess what it could be ?

THE WOMAN: Money ,car houses ,children ,great family inheritance ,fame ,a spouse .

Are those What you think pertains to life and godliness ? ( I ASKED )

THE WOMAN: What is this life that you are talking about that I do not have already ?
I am alive already as you can see
What I don't have is your so called godliness


so you agree that you are not godly?
(I ASKED HER )

yes I do !
Yes I am not godly (SHE AFFIRMED )

So if you are not godly what do you think you are ? (I ASKED )

THE WOMAN: I am humane

You are Humane ?
How do you define being humane ? (I ASKED )

THE WOMAN : What do you mean ?
What are you trying to say ?

ME: What is your definition of being humane ?

THE WOMAN: Caring ,and showing concern for other of course .

ME: how would you define caring for others ?

THE WOMAN : Are you saying you don't know what caring for others means ?

ME: I know for myself but your own definition might differ from mine ?

THE WOMAN: Why do you say so ?

ME: if we differ in believes I think it is possible that we differ in thoughts .

THE WOMAN: Well it's Just me and you .

ME: No it's you and a lot of people apart from Myself . (I argued )

THE WOMAN: Meaning ?


ME: Many people would disagree with whatever anyone would say no natter what it is or who says it ,even though it might be the truth .

THE WOMAN: So who judges us , who Is it that would moderate on all things .

ME: God !
God is the judge .
Humans differs and argue because they understand how limited a human mind can be so they find it hard to maintain a truth without looking for a superior truth .
But with God lies the truth of all truth .

THE WOMAN:
What is this truth of all truth ?
What do you mean by that ?

ME: Divine knowledge !
Divine knowledge is the knowledge that is Superior to all other kinds of knowledge .

Divine knowledge ?
What exactly is this divine knowledge ?
(SHE ASKED )

ME: It is knowing God and acknowledging him .

THE WOMAN : Why should I know God ?

ME: Why should a child knows it father ?

THE WOMAN: Why shoud a child not know its father ?

ME: Why should man not know God ?

THE WOMAN: Why should man know God ?

ME: Why should a man not know is origin ?

THE WOMAN: What is the origin of man ?

ME: He was created by a supreme ,and spiritual being called God .

THE WOMAN: How do you know that ?

ME: It is divine knowledge ,and that is why you also should have it

Divine knowledge !
Hmm .
I think I would turn and stop this journey
(SHE SAID )

Stop to go where ? (I ASKED )

( She turned and went away sorrowing )
And said "I want to go find out the truth about this divine knowledge you've talked about
And as she went I saw written on her back the word "ATHEIST ."

I knew it !
I knew she must be an atheist
(I said to myself and Continued with my journey )

Speaklove:
It is !
In Christianity Jesus is assume to be the spiritual judge of the judgement day .

And you asked me about what God is doing about injustice and I had to refer to the one I believe in in order to properly answer your question .

Now I asked you to name persons in history whose life can be said to be influencial and affect the human welfare than the person of Jesus Christ .
But maybe you wanted to be a sophist or something .

How does the influence of Jesus stop people from doing secret injustices?

StillDtruth:
No one can tell a whole story spanning generations without holes and cuts. So you are talking rubbish.

Are you an slowpoke? How is the Adam and Eve story spanning generations?

DaddyCoool:
Consider sir, because we don't know the universe works like magic, when we want to accomplish something the first and usually only things we consider are our prevailing circumstances and how "hard" it would be from there, and secondly, "how" (the steps we have to take to get there). The magic is in the fact we can actually almost ignore those two things that seem the most important!

How is this magical? Please just stop.

StillDtruth:
You will always be a devil
So even as you see Isreal and Gaza fighting and all, yet you choose to Lie;

Where did they use magic in the fight?

DaddyCoool:
That's because the question is irrelevant. The magic lies in the fact that (contrary to our hard-wiring that things have to be logical and lineal) once "the universe" gets the message (or once it gets to a certain level of our subconscious) it will arrange things to somewhat effortlessly bring it into being - no matter how hard it seems to us and however far-fetched it would seem from the current circumstances (infact you can almost say the current circumstances are irrelevant). You can also almost say the question of "how" is irrelevant. That is the magic!

This is just pathetic. Calling the ability to achieve a goal magic is the most insipid thing I ever heard.

Speaklove:
You Haven't answer the question I asked earlier .
Yes the subject is injustice ,secret sins ,and the weaknesses of the world's system .

Now this is connected to faith in God which brought Jesus into the discussion .

So answer the question

Your question is not about secret injustices,don't change the subject. What did Jesus do to bring secret injustices to justice?

Speaklove:
Why are you shying away from the question ?

Well I will give this :

John 8:3-11
[3]The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought a woman they had caught in bed with a man who was not her husband. They forced her to stand in front of the people.
[4]They said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery.
[5]The Law of Moses commands us to stone to death any such woman. What do you say we should do?”
[6]They were saying this to trick Jesus. They wanted to catch him saying something wrong so that they could have a charge against him. But Jesus stooped down and started writing on the ground with his finger.
[7]The Jewish leaders continued to ask him their question. So he stood up and said, “Anyone here who has never sinned should throw the first stone at her.”
[8]Then Jesus stooped down again and wrote on the ground.
[9]When they heard this, they began to leave one by one. The older men left first, and then the others. Jesus was left alone with the woman standing there in front of him.
[10]He looked up again and said to her, “Where did they all go? Did no one judge you guilty?”
[11]She answered, “No one, sir.”
Then Jesus said, “I don’t judge you either. You can go now, but don’t sin again.”


You see they were convicted ,they all knew they were as guilty as her and Jesus used wisdom to deal with the situation .

He made them realize god knew of their secrets sins and their conscience bear witness

You are theone attempting to change the subject. The subject is injustice in secret, how is this an example of injustice in secret?

Speaklove:
Who do you think in the entire history of the world ever stood for the good men and gave more than Jesus Christ ; whose deeds has influenced people towards becoming luminaries of human welfares ?

What did Jesus do to bring to justice to the people who were committing injustices in secret when he was supposedly on earth?

Gabrielshow24:
Science alludes to dinosaurs going extinct around that time yet fossil records reveal representations of such 'animals' in human civilizations.

While some suggest they most likely stumbled upon the carcasses of these extinct animals

There are slight reasons to suggest they 'saw' and recorded of such creatures.

The last theory just borderline centers on human creativity.
Where man's creative expression is at foot.

It just an allusion to a different view 🤔 based on ancient artifacts.

To answer your question on God.
Well, that depends on God.
God said "I am that I am".
He also doesn't need your validation to be God! He revealed what was sufficient!

God is not after those that are materialistic that can't see beyond the realm of materialism!
He wants those that put their trust in him despite physical odds.

The immaterial brings forth all things.
And all things are contained within the immaterial!
The big bang in a way confirms this concept!

God decides to reveal himself to whomsoever he wills, it's more of a test.
Surely if God revealed himself today, all of you will convert immediately 👀 which denigrates his MO for this present world —living by faith.

What are these slight reasons to suggest they 'saw' and recorded of such creatures.

The god will never be revealed because it doesn't exist, that's why you need to invent all these excuses.

Your own is to be occupied with lies and nonsense. LoLz.

MrPresident1:
Luke 19:12-14
King James Version
12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.
14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.

This is Jesus Christ. He went to receive his father's kingdom and to come back to reign over everything.

He called his ten servants and delivered them ten pounds

Ten symbolizes perfection and completion. Ten servants mean every single one of us- all his complete servants. 10 pounds mean all the means and resources to accomplish this task

So therefore Jesus gave all his servants the power, resources and authority to rule and reign over everything.

DaddyCoool:
Well, everything in the universe is comprised of those quantum particles. If they only materialise when you focuse your attention on them, it is NOT far-fetched to assume that what we focuse on, what we imagine, materialises.

Different versions of you could be floating around, but the one you focuse on becomes your reality. Say you decide to focuse on ("download"} the version that's wealthy, healthy and has it all together, that becomes your reality. You can also mindlessly download the version of you that's poor and struggling!

Still skipping the question: tell me something you can achieve with your magic that I can't without it.

press9jatv:
"I once slapped Saheed Balogun on set of a movie before because he didn't get his lines right" - Actress Lola Idije





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsXQzH6mpnY?

Is she proud of this or something? WTH is she saying this in public?

DaddyCoool:
I'm not using quantum mechanics to prove anything. It's just one illustration of how your attention could create reality and that the universe at core is neither logical nor goes by common sense! Examples abound - if you looking at something you're not actually seeing the thing, you're experiencing something in your own head. Hence you could be clearly seeing a distant star that actually disappeared thousands of years ago. So the universe is actually happening in your head. The belief is that it's NOT just happening but that you're actually the one creating the aspect of it that pertains to you!

LoLz. No matter you call it QM doesn't lend credence to any dort of magic. You are trying to cooperation something you barely understand into your kookie jargons.

You cannot even tell me something you can achieve with your magic that I can't without it.

Speaklove:
You just admitted to vthe fact that injustice goes on in the world and some people are helpless in the face of their abuser .
Some of the conducts and judgement passed in the Nigerian judiciary is an example of how
Helpless humans can be if they do not have certain advantages like power,money influence authority .

Injustice ha always been part of the human history from age aeon ,and an atheistic world will further strengthen the corrupt system of this world that has silenced countless numbers of souls and condemned the innocent to death .

The world needs God - the inadequacy and the imperfection of the system as made that apparent

I didn't say there wasn't injustice before so that is moot.

The world needs people who will stand up against injustice NOW, not indulge in a stupid dream of a god who will tackle injustice only after we are dead.