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FxMasterz:
Tell me whether I mentioned flood in relation to the Yorubas. I only mentioned the name Noah, and you and I know who Noah is.

The Yoruba flood story would be very distorted if there's any, so any reference to that is useless.

Stories become more and more distorted as they age. The only thing you can get from a story of over 5,000yrs is a clue and nothing more then that.

Oga Omoluabi is not an acknowledgement of Noah, that nonsense is from a book of funny stories. Name one culture that in your own words: cultures alien to the Bible, who have references to the man Noah.

FxMasterz:
Many bro. Even the Yoruba has a culture of calling someone with a noble character 'Omoluabi' which is a compressed form of the sentence 'Omo ti Noah bi' which means a descendant of Noah.

People like us should not be making absolute statements on events that happened 5,000 yrs ago. It's unwise. Even if we depend on what archeology has found today, do we know what archeology may find tomorrow? Archeology would still make discoveries after we ate long dead.

LMAO! OMFD! That nonsense was taken from a Yoruba story book! Bwahahahahaha! Go read the actual Yoruba flood stories there is no mention of Noah. In fact, lemme help you:

In yet another Yoruba story, Oshun is depicted as the goddess who not only gives life but also takes it. When angered, Oshun may flood Earth or destroy crops by withholding her waters, thereby causing massive droughts. In one myth, Oshun is incensed by her devotees and sends down rain, nearly flooding the world. Yet once she has been appeased, Oshun saves Earth from destruction by calling back the waters.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Oshun

I can bet a million bucks that you cannot name another without these obvious conflations because they didn't! Flood stories are unique to the cultures that birth them. Aside from the very obvious flood and humans (and not always a single family) in the story they barely share any other details. Not all of them have gods involved, not all of them have boats involved, not all of them have animals involved. This idea that disparate flood stories means there was a single flood that drove all the stories is as illogical as my Nile illustration.

FxMasterz:
There's falsehood in your statement Cultures holding on to the flood story ate not necessarily situated in proximity to large bodies of water. There are cultures alien to the Bible, whom Moses never knew about, who have references to the man Noah.

These event happened about 5,000 yrs ago. That time the study could only be passed down orally since books were not yet invented. Oral stories would definitely become nyths to people who lives 5,000 yrs after the actual events. But the fact that the story is present in extra-, biblical legends and cultures that are virtually unknown to each other is a pointer to the fact that such a tragedy took place.

Your Nile River refutation stands on a faulty premise.

Name a culture alien to the Bible that mentions Noah in it's own flood story.

FxMasterz:
This response is illogical. We were talking about a global flood.

Exactly. It illustrastres the illogicality of your position. Your are saying that despite the fact that diverse cultures have differing flood stories due to being close to large bodies of water they must all refer to a singular event. Even you can see how illogical that is so good on you.

FxMasterz:
Of course, you did. My position was that a real flood must have happened for such stories of a flood to find its way into many cultures. You just confirmed that in your last post.

LoLz. So if someone experiences a flood around the Nile it means some other person who lives near the Niger also experienced the flood of the Nile because floods are all the same.

FxMasterz:
After you must have proven that He doesn't.

LoLz. OK.

FxMasterz:
You have not proved that He doesn't.

Great. Now prove that the Witness exists.

FxMasterz:
You shot yourself in the leg.

Nope. Do you not know simple geography?

FxMasterz:
If there has never been a flood, why would the story be found in other cultures?

Because floods are a phenomenon wherever there are large bodies of water.

FxMasterz:
I said prove it.

I just did. You prove that your Witness exists.

FxMasterz:
Using a question to answer a question. I know where He resides.

I answered the question. Your Witness does not reside anywhere because it doesn't exist.

FxMasterz:
According to you. Can you prove that?

According to reality. Very simple, tell me where in this reality your Witness resides, nowhere.

FxMasterz:
My witness has been before you and would continue after you're long gone. You met Him here and got to know about Him as you grew up. He'll still be here when you cease eternally. You're not the reality. You're just an illusion. There's no guarantee that you'll be here tomorrow.

Your Witness does not exist and so has never been a part of reality.

FxMasterz:
Are you the reality?

I am part of reality, your Witness is not.

FxMasterz:
According to you.

According to reality.

FxMasterz:
There's a Witness that has always been there from the beginning. He will be there even after the end.

The purported Witness wrote nothing.

FxMasterz:
The person who was there before anyone else knew about such an event. Those who wrote about it ever before archeologists discovered it.

The person who purportedly wrote about it was not a witness. None of of the the purported witnesses to the event wrote about it.

FxMasterz:
For where? You've chosen what to believe. There are arguments for and against the topic. You stand for those who argue against and I stand for those who argue for.

These events happened before anyone of us. If you believe the speculators more than the witnesses, that's your own class of wisdom, and I must allow you to explore that to the maximum. So, keep clapping.

LoLz! Who were the witnesses to the purported Sodom and Gomorrah event that wrote about it?

Kobojunkie:
1. Again....Like I already said...Whether you want to admit that trust exists, doesn't matter. The fact is it does. There are countries out there where abiding by the Law does not guarantee the same safety net you hold to. In such countries, abiding by the Law is a matter of Individual choice and does not come with a guarantee of anything really.

Trust is an essential aspect of our daily lives in much of the west. Before you bought that device, for instance, you first considered the trustworthiness of the brand, the model, and even the retailer before submitting your hard-earned money in exchange for it. We can go on and on for pages on this, but there really shouldn't be a need for that since any honest being knows this is 101 of daily life.

Why doesn't NL have an eye roll emoji.

Kobojunkie:
Like I already said....Whether you want to admit that trust exists, doesn't matter. The fact is it does. There are countries out there where abiding by the Law does not guarantee the same safety net you hold to. In such countries, abiding by the Law is a matter of Individual choice and does not come with guarantee of anything really.

Trust is essential aspect of our daily lives in much of the west. Before you brought that device for instance, your first consider the trustworthiness of the brand, the model, even the retailer before submitting your hard earned money in exchange for it. We can go on but there really shouldn't be a need for this since any honest being knows this is 101 of daily life.

It's like you telling me to trust gravity and friction to keep me walking because they are facts of everyday life. I don't trust them because their operation doesn't require it. I dunno why this is a point of contention for you, I don't use trust for inanimate things. Sometimes it seems you just go on these tangents to avoid answering the questions. You have answered neither of the questions: why should I trust the Constitution of the Land or why should I care to trust the Constitution of the Land. You just went off to "you don't want to admit trust exists" even after I said it does.

Kobojunkie:
1. Whether you want to admit that trust exists, doesn't matter. The fact is it does. There are countries out there where abiding by the Law does not guarantee the same safety net you hold to. In such countries, abiding by the Law is a matter of Individual choice and does not come with guarantee of anything really.

I am not saying trust doesn’t exist. I am saying in doesn’t factor into my being law abiding. I don't use trust for inanimate things since their operation is somewhat black and white. For instance I don't trust the device I am typing this on because its either working or its not, it requires no trust to operate. However if when I went to the market to buy it I had to trust the seller when he said it was a brand new device because the sellers actions are not as black and white as the operation of this device. He could have been lying and I wouldn't know but in other to purchase it I had to trust him. I don't do that for the law, there's nothing about the law that needs me to trust it. Maybe I need to trust that the people in charge of the law will carry out their functions but I'd rather not find out so I abide by the law.

Kobojunkie:
1. I don't follow!

According to you, you abide by the Law of the land in order that you don't get in trouble. That means you trust that by doing A (abiding by the Law of the land), B (you will not get into trouble) follows.
A yields B OR B follows A is an expression of a trust relationship.

No. If I jump up I will go up and down. That's it no trust required. Same with the law, no trust is in operation.

Kobojunkie:
You trust that when you abide by the Law, the police will have no reason to incarcerate you, yes?

No. Absence of a thing is not the same as presence of the thing. That I don't trust that the police will incarcerate me for breaking the law doesn't mean I trust they wouldn't incarcerate me for not breaking the law. There simply is no place for trust in this operation.

Kobojunkie:
1. OK. You trust that by abiding by the Law of the land you won't get into trouble. It is about the same when one who is of the Kingdom of God abides by the Law too.

Trust doesn't play a role in the calculation. I am not trusting that the police will incarcerate me for breaking the law.

GoodIsGod:
Though you are not aware you are mentally unstable, the demons in you know you are. Even the mad man under the bridge is trying to reason too.
No be only reason.


Skid off!

LoLz. You came to my mentions to shout like a mad man but I am the lunatic who should skid off. LMFAO!

Kobojunkie:
Why?

So that I don't get in trouble.

Kobojunkie:
1. Do you abide by the Law of the Land in which you currently live?

Yes.

Kobojunkie:
1. You are asking me to give you a reason for why you would want to seek God? Is that it?

No. You said faith is trusting the Constitution of the Land and then I asked why I should trust the Constitution of the Land you say I don't have to if I don't care. Well we are at why I should care, why should I care enough to trust the Constitution of the Land?

Kobojunkie:
1. You don't need to do any of it if you don't care for it even if you are of His Israel. God didn't impose His Will, Jesus Christ, on any man.

Yes but why do I need to care if I want to?

GoodIsGod:
Engaging you guys in an argument is like arguing with a mad Man.
Those who engage you have time.

Every thing is hoax to a lunatic even when it's glaring it's real.

LoLz. Between the person who is trying to reason and the one shouting hysterically who is the lunatic here? Bwahahahahaha!

Kobojunkie:
God constituted two Nations in scripture and handed the people Constitutions in each

■ The Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan which He gave to the people of Israel - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20
■ His special Nation of Priests which He made of the people of Israel - Exodus 19 vs 6 - aka the Kingdom of God

For each of these, He designed a constitution/agreement which He then handed to the people mandating they obey/abide by, and abiding by the constitution of the land/Nation one belongs to is essentially what it means to live by faith.

Doesn't answer the question:

LordReed:
Why do I need to trust the Constitution of the Land?

Kobojunkie:
Faith simply means trusting and obeying the Constitution of the Land — that is what faith is.

Why do I need to trust the Constitution of the Land?