jaephoenix: So how come biblical events like sun standing still, red sea parting, many deads resurrecting weren't captured in mainstream or regular historical texts?
The sun standing still thing to me just indicates the ignorance of the times. They obviously thought the sun moves in the sky and not that the earth rotates to create day and night. They couldn't imagine what it would actually imply if that was to actually happen. Just like most people don't think about what would actually happen if you could fly like superman, tales of fantasy are just that fantasy.
Dantedasz: Quite Frankly,I have nothing against delusion of talking snakes or talking donkeys or having imaginary friends,but the delusion of fighting for your god to the extent of hijacking a passenger plane and the steering it into a concrete building is just plain insanity!
Yeah don't get me started on the bullshit of fighting for a universe creating god, that bullshit would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.
Dantedasz: The following video is a long one. You need to have enough data to watch it to the end. Then you ponder: Why do things like this happen? Why would misguided people do this kind of thing to propagate their religious beliefs and finally if there is an Almighty omnipotent and omniscient creator,why would he/she allow this to happen to his creations??
If you want to watch the video click on the link below the picture below.
Kobojunkie: 1. Revelation is a book of dreams/visions by John. This he made clear from the first couple of verses. In Revelations 12, he said he said he saw a red dragon called Satan, Micheal, and a bunch of angels fighting against the red dragon. Why a dragon? Why was the dragon red? Why was the archangel named Michael given that the one Michael who stood up on behalf of Israel in the Old Testament was a man, and not an angel? So when was Michael promoted to the status of an archangel, and how? ...
2. As for satisfactory answers to your questions, I can't give you that given the obvious circumstances.
Kobojunkie: Well, Trust isn't dependent on whether He writes or not though. I believe you and I have had this discussion at least once in the past. What do you hope to gain by going over this again with me?
I didn't want to go here, I was focused on Revelation but you brought us to it. In the past you have never satisfactorily answered the question so I went along with it. As for gaining, I gain insight which Is why I ask questions more than anything else.
Kobojunkie: 1. The mandate is to trust and obey God, not His apostles or in the writers of scripture.
2. Basically,
■ God's Word is the Truth ■ Every other account that is not of God needs to be validated against God's Word ■ In the case that there is no statement made by God regarding an issue, then by the accounts of two or three witnesses shall truth be established ■ In the case that there are no statements made by God regarding an issue, and no other accounts to corroborate the claim made, then the truth revealed is not established but local — that of the author. In this case, anything that cannot be verified and does not contradict God is John's account.
So how do you know what the god's words are if everything was written by men? Other men come, agree and that establishes that that's the god's word?
Kobojunkie: 1. Recall that you are reading from a person's dreams. Do you apply the same literal reasoning to the dreams of others or even your own dreams?
Kobojunkie: then it is not an established truth but the account of the writer in that case.
So the same writer says he heard Jesus but the same writer can't be trusted in the same book because it's not the words of Jesus? How can you tell the author is correct in any case? Again there are no writers that have written anything similar to what John wrote.
Kobojunkie: As I already explained in my previous comments, The Words out of the mouth of Jesus Christ/God is Truth! All else is to be validated against that which is written.
There is a law that states that by the accounts of 2 or 3 witnesses shall truth be established. That law is part of the Old Law -Deuteronomy 17vs 6 - and also of the new - Matthew 18 vs 16 - This is used in verifying pretty much any claims that are made outside of that decreed by God Himself. So what is written in Revelations 4, John's account of what he saw, is his account of what he saw. Now, to verify his claim you find other witnesses who claim to have seen the same.
If no one else in scripture corroborates it, then you simply take it as, in this case, John's accounts of what he saw in his dream/vision.
Also, from my own research, for a thing to be considered invalid though, it has to exist in direct contradiction to that which is written.
So why don't you take Paul's words as it is?
That means the story in in chapter 12 should be taken as it is since it doesn't contradict anything in the Bible.
Kobojunkie: As I already explained in my previous comments, The Words out of the mouth of Jesus Christ/God is Truth! All else is to be validated against that which is written.
There is a law that states that by the accounts of 2 or 3 witnesses shall truth be established. That law is part of the Old Law -Deuteronomy 17vs 6 - and also of the new - Matthew 18 vs 16 - This is used in verifying pretty much any claims that are made outside of that decreed by God Himself. So what is written in Revelations 4, John's account of what he saw, is his account of what he saw. Now, to verify his claim you find other witnesses who claim to have seen the same.
If no one else in scripture stated it, then you simply take it as, in this case, John's accounts of what he saw in his dream/vision.
There are no words of Jesus in chapter 4 of Revelation.
There no writers in the Bible who wrote similar to chapter 4 of Revelation.
OmonnakOdapig: Sharrap.Russian defense Official don reiterate e official stand make official statements of Trespass. In published marked off region for special military operation . No dey talk wetin you no know .na you dey fumble. My Tv station is ON 24 hours a day.and last time l checked, everyrhing on TV is not always on a stations social media pages. Oga you dey disturb. The Tv channel is ON 24 HOURS A DAY. and last time l checked, not everything 24hours a day on TV is placed on a site. Oga you dey disturb. GO RUSSIAN EMBASSY OFFICIAL PAGES GO CONFIRM THE RUSSIAN DEFENSE SIDE OFFICIAL STATEMENT. Or Follow Antov directly on his telegram broadcast channels. Even France 24 carried it. Go russian embassy to Usa , official stand of Russian federation dey published there. Incase you blind Just as Usa side publish e conflicting official stance. So only Forensic Analysis can corroborate what truely happened.
Kobojunkie: The Words out of the mouth of Jesus Christ is Truth! All else is to be validated against that which is written.
There is a law that states that by the accounts of 2 or 3 witnesses shall truth be established. This is used in verifying pretty much any claims that are made outside of that decreed by God Himself. So what is written in Revelations 4, John's account of what he saw, is his account of what he saw.
It was your own words o, I didn't force you. You wrote it clean clear. Are you walking it back?
So which 2 or 3 witnesses are we going to use to verify chapter 4?
OmonnakOdapig: Oga you dey disturb. The Tv channel is ON 24 HOURS A DAY. and last time l checked, not everything 24hours a day on TV is placed on a site. I will check their VK social media page if its updated there.
Oga you dey disturb. GO RUSSIAN EMBASSY OFFICIAL PAGES GO CONFIRM THE RUSSIAN DEFENSE SIDE OFFICIAL STATEMENT. Or Follow Antov directly on his telegram broadcast channels. Even France Tv stations carried it.
Oga I no force you to talk say you watch am for TV you come even mention the station join. I dey show you say the station no talk anything you con dey say I dey disturb. Na me carry your hand write the name of the station?
I asked the station because I thought it would carry more information since it is Russian but you fumbled. No dey talk wetin you no know.
Kobojunkie: 1. According to John what he wrote is what he saw. Do you wish to refute his claim?
You said:
Kobojunkie: 1. According to John, Jesus Christ wasn't the only one who spoke to him in the vision. And John made certain to reveal this in his book. So, basically, the Words attributed to Jesus Christ can be considered valid as is — Truth. However, the words that are not of Jesus Christ cannot be considered in the same way.
With emphasis on the bolded words. Chapter 4 has no words of Jesus or the god so it is not to be considered on the same level as chapters 1-3, according to you.
OmonnakOdapig: Tune in to Tartastan 24 . Channel 2 on my TV Remote control. Enjoy watching. If Russian intelligence Drones or Russian plane Mistakenly dance overhead too near Romania side of that same mudafucking Blacksea, Romania Airspace Defence will sniff it out & Yawa go gas. Cos it has clearly banned Russia from its Airspace. Airspace of numerous countries over international waters remains closed to all Russian aircraft and flights due to Sanctions just as Russia has returned the favour & banned from its Airspace in retaliation.
What distance does the Russian Restriction area Cover?
USA drone flew with its transponders off & violated Boundaries of O.f.f-L.i.m.i.t Airspace marked off for Special military Operation, and communicated to all Users of internatiinal Airspace and OFFICIALLY PUBLISHED in accordance with International standards. Russia has declared marked areas over Crimea off limits. You can interview Anatoly Antov (Russia ambassador to usa) or subscribe to his Telegram Channel. Official Statements from Antov Reiterates the incident as a Trespass of Russian published off-limits Airspace and Russian Defence officially maintains its a Provocation & Trespass.
What distance from Crimea was the drone?
Russia Defence --Ministry official Reiterated in its Official Anouncement, that the US drone violated Off limit Airspace. . Off Limit Airspace Zones are Officially Defined and Officially Published and can be Traced with Reference numbers/publication dates.
It is left for Defense Ministry Official to supply the Specific Coordinates of the drone at the point of interception, as the matter intensifies.. The Coordinates/Bearing of the drone have not officially been made Public lnformation as at the time of this writing. . USA will also supply their Specific Coordinates of the drone not trespassing, as the matter intensifies. What Distance/Coordinate from Crimea was the drone? What Distance/Coordinate from Crimea was Not the Drone? USA will need to supply their Specific Coordinates which was a Non trespassing coordinate too. As the mutual Accusations & Conflicting contradictory claims from both sides roll in simultaneously.
If the matter should go to court, Forensic Analysis , Trajectory Angle Calculations, and lntelligence Projections will be employed at the ruin crash site of the Drone beneath the black sea, to investigate and determine if the Drone was actually at a Coordinate, Corroborating Russian Defense Ministry Version of the Drone trespassing (Published Off limits Airspace for special military operation), or Corroborating Usa published version of the drone at a coordinate just dancing over Airspace area not marked off as OFF LIMITS.
One problem tho, the matter go wear very big long pant cos officially, USA does not legally recognise Russia's 2014 annexation of Crimea so it could be officially playing near the area, calling it international airspace 😅 .
Kobojunkie: 1. Be specific. What particular things in what chapters?
Some chapters of Revelations don't have Jesus or the god speaking so such chapters won't be valid based on what you said "However, the words that are not of Jesus Christ cannot be considered in the same way". Chapter 4 for instance, according to what you said would it be valid?
Kobojunkie: 1. According to John, Jesus Christ wasn't the only one who spoke to him in the vision. And John made certain to reveal this in his book. So, basically, the Words attributed to Jesus Christ can be considered valid as is — Truth. However, the words that are not of Jesus Christ cannot be considered in the same way.
For instance, when, John records Jesus Christ as declaring that He is the brighter morning star in Revelations 22 vs 16, one is meant to take that as Jesus Christ revealing Truth.
So some of the chapters of Revelation cannot be considered as valid?
Kobojunkie: 1. I think Revelation is a vision revealed to John by Jesus Christ as John himself stated in Revelations 1 vs 1 - 2. The Word of God instead refers to the Word that emanates directly from the mouth of God Himself or Jesus Christ.
What's the difference? In the vision was it not Jesus speaking to John?
Kobojunkie: I did state that Satan is not Lucifer, yes?
Yes and we are done with that. I asked a different question I dunno why you are going back to that. Do you think Revelation is the word of the god or Jesus?
Kobojunkie: 1. Did you know that all those who are of Jesus Christ that will end up in Heaven eventually will all become like angels — no longer humans? These are humans who made the decision to forego disobedience(sin), abandoning it all in order to live their lives in continuous submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, eventually to be sealed by the Spirit of God in this state of continuous obedience for eternity. Can that which is sealed into a state of obedience by God Himself then sin against God? Impossicant!
2. There was never a Lucifer as that entire story that you have been fed is born of myth, I am afraid.
OmonnakOdapig: Google translate to watch Tv😏😏😏 Oga rest. Do you understand the concept of international waters and Off limits area airspace? Do you understand that Russia plane cannot just fly anyhow over any Airspace overhead international waters of Restricted countries( eg Estonia, poland, Romania etc) who have banned them from their Airspace due to Sanctions?. If Russia plane or intelligence Drone goes too close to Romania side of that same Black sea yawa go gas. Do you understand Russian flights are avoiding certain Airspace right now over international waters (Black sea airspace air-defence territories/ of mean countries inclusive) of some mean countries eg Romania and rerouting through longer more expensive routes to avoid Tresppassing Airspace it has been banned from? .
Yes Google Translate to watch TV because Google Translate works on speech. Now what was the station?
What distance from the coast of Crimea was the drone? What distance does the Russian restriction cover?
OmonnakOdapig: The drone was in an airspace region overhead Crimea marked off as O.f.f-L.I.M.I.T.S Nautical miles for Russian special military operation and clearly communicated to all. .
Russia’s Defense Ministry official announcement reiterates U.S. drone was flying over the Black Sea near Crimea and intruded in an area that was declared off limits by Russia as part of what it calls its “special military operation” in Ukraine, causing the Russian patrol military to scramble fighters to intercept it.
@Tv station. Oga rest. You do not Understand Russian language. Besides, my Tv stations over here in my parlour in Russia, are not accessible to you in your country unlike CNN, BBC et al. If you somehow bypass your satellite to tune to Tartastan24 direct, you wont understand shit without an interpreter.
I can only list Tv stations for anybody who has completed mandatory 7months patfalc . Cos such a person can rap Russian language and understand every shit a lecturer spits even in The damn language We nigerians plenrry wey dey speak and understand the language. I rarely watch western world Tv to get report on the war.
I didn't ask for a list, I asked for the particular one you watched it on. Why is that so hard to state? With Google Translate I don't have to understand Russian.
What distance from the coast of Crimea, do you know?
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