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Dtruthspeaker:
Proof of atheism. Atheists support science and attack God, the Bible, God Followers.

And he does all these.

Dtruthspeaker:
If you do not Lie like Serpent, you would not be SatanReed.

PastorM:
@LordReed, thanks for making my thread interesting. Usually, it's only my post and nothing else. I post everyday. Please come back tomorrow

hupernikao:
Having cleared the first one.
I will address Abraham's case next, later today when am settled.

elated177:
Do you do it?

Dtruthspeaker:
He always supports atheists, and he is always against the God, the Bible and God Followers.

That is complete proof of an atheist.

Dtruthspeaker:
When would you come to the decision that Reed is as Satan?

Knowing the Truth, he presents the evil version.

You are just arguing with Satan himself!

Dtruthspeaker:
You love the notion of No God and Accountability and Responsibility hence your pursuits and I want every criminal and evil and wicked person out there to be brought to "just is"

Dtruthspeaker:
Satan-Incarnate, Natural Law is Part of our Laws, so I do not need to get to SC to implement it.

All I just need to do is to remind everyone that it is there, Waiting for them to implement!

PastorM:
And that's absolutely fine if you want to join them. I'm not here to judge

PastorM:
My question in the short video is, "What would you do?"

You are the one complicating matters.

hupernikao:
You were the one trying to read deception into their actions. It wasn't there.

There action was to save the babies. And it wasn't deception. Even Pharoah knew that the kids were alive.


The deception you mentioned was in their words to Pharoah. That is a different thing here. The writer never said God blessed that.

Read verse 17 and 21 again.

You must know that the writer of the scriptures are very meticulous with words and expressions. Time may have passed, but they fully represent God well in their writings to the best of their knowledge. And we only need to read well to know what they wrote. This is one of the case.


Put this scenario as this (though this won't fully explain it)

Of a man who saved children from the hands of bokoharam because he feared and want to obey the government.

Then the Nigeria government was pleased and honored his action.

Yet in his defence when bokoharam caught him, he lied that the children escaped by themselves.

What the government honored wasn't the lie but the action of saving.

The action that led to saving is that they know God and feared him, (verse 17) then verse 21 told you that is what God actually honored. Their fear of God to save the kids.

hupernikao:
Let me give you a full text of what you quoted.

Exodus 1
16 And he said, When ye do the office of a midwife to the Hebrew women, and see them upon the stools; if it be a son, then ye shall kill him: but if it be a daughter, then she shall live.

17 But the midwives feared God, and did not as the king of Egypt commanded them, but saved the men children alive.

To understand this scenario well you must observe key issues.

1. Observe the instruction given to them. To kill the male child.

2 Observed what the midwife feared God for.
They feared God and not kill the male child.


Now what was God pleased with.
You must read context.

Verse 16 pharaoh wanted children killed
Verse 17 midwife saved the children because THEY FEARED GOD.

God's satisfaction is in that action.

But you have read the later discussion of Pharoah and midwife as an action that God was pleased with.

Read verse 21 and 17 together, you will get it.

THERE IS AN EMPHASIS OF THEY FEARED GOD in verse 17 and 21 which you have neglected. That's where your answer is.

To understand well,
Read verse 21 together with verse 17 you will get the context.

17 But the midwives feared God, and did not as the king of Egypt commanded them, but saved the men children alive
21 And it came to pass, because the midwives feared God, that he made them houses.

God's action was premised on this. It's clear in the context.

They feared God and didn't kill, then God was pleased with it.

I guess this is clear?

hupernikao:
I will keep our discussion within the first illustration for now.

Can you point me to exactly where God blessed the midwife deception or even her action. You know wr are speaking about what is documented not what we think.

Point to the place so that I can read.

AntiChristian:
Lizard can be food!

hupernikao:
No, he never approve any deception.

Can you point to his approval of deception in that Story?

hupernikao:
I think the picture you painted, we may need to separate God's actions from man's actions.

In the case of Moses as you examined.

God didn't instruct the midwife to do what they did. They only acted based on what they felt is right to do at that time. Infact with Bible narrative, they never knew that is the boy God will use. No Bible verse showed they were acting by God's instruction. They only knew that one day God will raise a deliverer for them. Who is the person? They never knew.

So what's God's action
God's action here is to work through man's circumstances to achieve his purpose. The reality is, following Moses story and education, we will know why he was chosen by God, likewise, his training by his mother. He was taught to know the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and also his promises. Every Hebrew child was taught that.
This is the reason Moses could communicate it well and write about it.


So, did God make the midwife to deceive pharaoh? No. That is man's decision to preserve Moses, a child.

Did God use the situation to still work out his plan? Yes. As seen in history of God/man relationship documented by the scriptures. God will work through, the weakness, disobedience, deceptions, challenges, rejection of man to still work out his plan.

If they didn't succeed in their action, would God had still achieve his plan?

Yes, this is the essence of being sovereign. To be able to work through human circumstances to work out your plans without distorting man's will.


You will see this in Jacob's story, man trying to use his knowledge to solve problem ahead of God. In the same story of Jacob you will still that its man's action that took them to Egypt not God. Yet God worked through those circumstances to restore his plan for man.

So, in this case, God wasn't employing or certifying deception, but working through man's action to restore his will.

Think of this. If Moses has rejected God, whatever actions of the midwife will count for nothing. So, in the process of this stories, many decisions of man contributed to the endpoint. It means, a man may have bad past, but still used of God in his plan.

MightySparrow:
I want tell the OP that science is not against God neither are scientists. Galileo Galilei, Faraday...

Steep:
there is no evidence of evolution on a macro scale, for example there are no evidences of apes evolving to be humans Etc,
So evolution is just a theory and cannot disprove the bible.

PastorM:
I think you need to go straight to what EXACTLY you are trying to fathom. I was not born yesterday.

PastorM:
If Pharaoh told me, a Hebrew, to go and kill my fellow Hebrews?

PastorM:
Well, some theologians believe the midwives were Hebrew, not Egyptians.

PastorM:
Lead us not into temptation

Duration: 57 seconds


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNy10cArTkk

IMAliyu:
While I don't like actively attacking a belief.

What is more likely, that a Jewish woman lied, or that biology stopped working only for her, for a brief moment?

MightySparrow:
Newton, he qouted his Law. He was a devout Christian himself, wrote exposition on the book of Daniel.

Truthwords:
alright. but i advise you against it.

Follow this thread :

https://www.nairaland.com/6839903/covid-19-vaccines-killing-huge-numbers

Steep:
Take for example Newton that states that for there to be a change, then there must be a cause.
This simply means that all the changes we can see and observe has a cause, this is the backbone of science and all research works.

Since Newton law so far has being proven to be true as far as our visible and observable universe is concerned then the ultimate cause is not subject to this law and outside of it.

Is there any evidence to prove a creator does not exist because even science proved there is God.

Ehiscotch:
So you'd rather prefer a universe in a state of Flux - constantly changing?

hupernikao:
The truth is, if given the opportunity, we all (all humans) want to set the/our standard for God on how he should reveal himself to us. Nothing bad with that, but the answers to our standard will vary with time, while some my find him now, some will take eternity. It all depends on what we seek and know.

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