keppler: These are people whose worldview constantly revolved around the antics of gods as an explanation for natural phenomenon. It's no surprise they would include such things in their stories. Even our Nigerian cultures always mention gods and sacrifice whenever there is some calamity Fair enough. Your argument for inclusion of gods and sacrifice is plausible for all cultures which are surrounded with large bodies of water and have boat building skills. I'll get back to that later
I don't know about volcanic events or tsunamis since the cultures that encounter them are not as many as those that encounter flooding. Yes, I know. But what are the similarities that you would expect to see in such events, knowing the nature of such activities? It is important that an answer should be given, as it would give a prediction that one could test with later discovery. (does the prediction of the theory match the evidence and can it be used for other similar phenomena? The type used in scientific method)
I would have to know what kind of cultures develop around volcanoes to be able to make an extensive prediction. With the little I know the stories would also involve vengeful gods and sacrifice, probably even self sacrifice. Beyond these I can't make any more predictions.
Archaeologists and anthropologists would have a better grasp of what to expect. I am neither.
Image123: You believe that animal suffering is an even bigger problem than human suffering. Keep moving in circles with your goof until you find something reasonable. No excuse is tenable for a human to agree that animal suffering is an even bigger problem than human suffering.
You are the one moving in circles since you seem unable to grasp the difference between volume and value.
keppler: Thanks But my question would be; why should we have the bolded words in a flood story? Not that those are the only anomalies in many flood stories anyway. Also, since we don't have a volcanic event across the world; what similarities should we expect from volcanic activities of different areas? Or similarities that we should expect from tsunami event?
LordReed: I thought it was already made clear when I said that similarities are due to similarities in their environment and cultures.
These are people whose worldview constantly revolved around the antics of gods as an explanation for natural phenomenon. It's no surprise they would include such things in their stories. Even our Nigerian cultures always mention gods and sacrifice whenever there is some calamity.
I don't know about volcanic events or tsunamis since the cultures that encounter them are not as many as those that encounter flooding.
Image123: To you, animal suffering is an even bigger problem than human suffering. The excuse is not tenable too.
LordReed: animal suffering is an even bigger problem than human suffering simply by the sheer volume of animals (and insects) on the planet that undergo suffering every day
Image123: Part of the pain, confusion and frustrations of suffering from a purposeless life. So to you, the "volume" of animals makes them of more worth and a bigger problem than human life. You obviously don't know the value of your soul.
Image123: You value animals above humans in the statement "animal suffering is an even bigger problem than human suffering". Is this your position?
LordReed: I agree with Alex that animal suffering is an even bigger problem than human suffering simply by the sheer volume of animals (and insects) on the planet that undergo suffering every day
hakeemhakeem: What muslim says before slauter ram (In the Name of Allah, Allah is the Greatest! [Oh Allah, from You and to You.] Oh Allah, accept it from me.) With remorse tones because no humans have right to take life
I don't care what you chant, just bring the meat make we chop jor! In fact I am going to join my muslim friends to break fast.
NewSoul: So For some years now I have been seeing the number 9 and 11 every time. At first I thought it was coincidence then it became so frequent that their was a time I saw 9:11 for a week straight. As in no matter where I am, no matter howfar I am from my phone "something" must bring me to around to look and see 9:11. I open a mathematics book and I see 9 11 first. Who knows what these numbers stand for?
Funny enough I was born on 9 11. Anyone knows or having such experience?
The Baader-Meinhof Phenomenon is the phenomenon where something you recently learned suddenly appears 'everywhere'. Also called Frequency Bias (or Illusion), the Baader-Meinhof Phenomenon is the seeming appearance of a newly-learned (or paid attention to) concept in unexpected places.
It happens all the time. In fact you can make it happen, pick anything you like and I guarantee you within the next 48hrs you will see it repeated over and over again.
Righteousness2: God Almighty is speaking to the Inhabitants of the Earth through various signs and means. The Earthquakes Tornadoes Floods Landslides Volcanoes Tsunami Sinkholes Forest fires Thunderstorms Hailstorms Sandstorm Windstorm Snow storms Hurricane Draught Avalanche etc
All these which we are seeing in very high frequencies are signs of the Endtimes which GOD uses to make us understand the times we are in and the need to be Saved so as to Escape the Coming Wrath.
Nahum 1:5-6 5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein. 6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.
Jeremiah 10:13 When he uttereth his voice, there is a multitude of waters in the heavens, and he causeth the vapours to ascend from the ends of the earth; he maketh lightnings with rain, and bringeth forth the wind out of his treasures.
Psalm 18:13 The LORD also thundered in the heavens, and the Highest gave his voice; hail stones and coals of fire.
Folks! Something Huge is on the Horizon! Something Huge is about to Happen! All we need to do is to Ensure we are Prepared for His Coming! JESUS is Coming! What the world is seeing now is nothing compared to what is Coming! Humble yourself before GOD, Repent and amend your ways . Surrender to JESUS Christ. There is nothing worth holding unto in this world. There is nothing worth Exchanging the Salvation of your Soul for.
Found this interesting counter on animal suffering.. Have a wonderful week all.
Yeah this is why I don't like hyperbolic language. Once it can be shown that you are being hyperbolic it takes the bite out of your argument even when you are making valid points. I agree with Alex that animal suffering is an even bigger problem than human suffering simply by the sheer volume of animals (and insects) on the planet that undergo suffering every day but saying animal existence is defined by pain is an exaggeration in my estimation.
Femoje: FCT is not a State, all it activities is control by Federal government. That's why they don't have governor or governorship election, rather the president appoint someone as a minister of FCT
Sampson88: Can a staff of Federal Capital Territory Administration (FCTA) be Transfer to federal ministry?
[s]No, you cannot be transferred from a State level agency to a Federal level agency however you can have your service commuted from State to Federal, in which case you will take a lower grade level from your previous State grade level.[/s]
keppler: Let me start with reminding you about the crux of our debate. I’ll paraphrase it as “the best explanation for the similarities found in different flood accounts of different world cultures”. Again, let me remind you of the part you seem to have refused to respond to (for the third time). What type of similarities should be found in flood account of different events (and locations); the type that we should see in armed robbery events of different locations?
When the question above is answered (faithfully), then I will go ahead to address your claims point by point.
You were adamant that there were details in the flood myths that could only be explained by them being offshoots of the Noah story while I maintained that similarities will be found across all cultures that have encounters with large bodies of water. That is the crux of the debate.
I thought it was already made clear when I said that similarities are due to similarities in their environment and cultures. Vengeful gods, an unrelenting flood, a boat, sacrifice, etc are some of the similarities we would expect and indeed we see repeated across these flood myths. However what we do not see is any sort of detail that is constant aside from a flood and gods, every other thing varies. Some don't have boats, some do for instance.
I have been busy, hence have not got time to visit NL. I trust you are doing great and safe in the chaotic country (if you are in Nigeria o)
elated177: My assessment of you is spot on, Reed. Spot on.
Matthew 7:6 “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.
John 6:44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day.
65 He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”
elated177: My assessment of you was spot on the first time and still is.
You are not an atheist. You are not looking for proof or evidence of the existence of the Creator or the supernatural.
Someone like you, Reed, who hates truth and righteousness, would never believe even if a follower of Yahushua the Messiah called down fire from heaven.
My Master and Saviour, Yahushua the Messiah, described your type very well below:
Matthew 7:6 “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.
John 6:44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day.
65 He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”
You that don't even know yourself are claiming to know me. LMFAO!
oluwaahmed: Ok, evolution helps us know that man evolved from homo erects to homo sapiens, our ancestors being apes. However apes had a splinter DNA being that instead of becoming apes our DNA was tweeted to make us upright and more intelligent than ur average apes. That in itself is creation. You might not believe in the religious concept of God but man was definitely created by something or someon not some random interaction of atoms.Take IVF for example the best blastocyst are input in a womans womb after spermatozua fertilisation whi h makes her conceive after her gestation cycle. If that was done to man (based on theory of evolution) then man was created. If u belive in science then you should know this
As far as I am concerned we can only see the interaction of natural systems. Evolution is not directed, it's a natural process. If you like to think that a god was directing it, you are welcome to that but I need evidence of such to accept it.
Image123: Perfectly created to multiply and replenish the earth. You can't understand that if you don't know the supernatural. A man that lived over 900years old evidently cannot have the same build as one struggling with 80years. In other words, this one is 2 parallel lines and planes. Forget it already, it's beyond your class.
Hmmm, I am sure such a man will fit well with Marvel Avengers. LMAO!
Image123: A perfect Adam and Eve does it easily, just like you hope a "common ancestor" had enough genetic diversity. i understand your point though, you doubt the supernatural.
Perfect in what way?
I have no real reason to think there is a "supernatural".
Image123: Think carefully Reed. We were discussing about moral laws that affect all humanity. You said that before the Bible, there were laws. i said the Bible agrees to such but that those laws are made by unstable human conscience. The Word of God is a universal and unchanging leveller. Then you began to bring up fish which was rightly shot down as not being a moral law or of the same class. Clearly, we have been talking about laws that affect all i.e applicable to all, what all should do, considered as good or bad. The standard as it were on morality, your relationship to one another and to God. So when we say no stealing, no killing, no adultery etc, these are things affecting men(humans) morally and for all times. If man's views fluctuate concerning them, God's Word does not. So when you take it to another angle of punishment for breaking the law, that is a different thing not applicable to all. We are not all judges or courts, except you are subscribing to jungle justice. Punishment for disobeying the law was not what we were discussing, we were discussing the law itself. Stop deviating.
The laws before the Bible were only applicable to the communities that made them so can I be saying they applied to all humans?
The law itself must contain punishment for its disobedience or else it has no force. Can you take any law and excise it of it's punishments and still think you have a law? The law is a totality, you are the one deviating, calling it ceremonial law, moral law and trying distinguish between a law and the punishments it prescribes. I am talking of law as a whole, you want to take parts of it.
Image123: My apeman Reed. Why do you and your colleagues find it strange to see all men come from 2 people and not turn out the same, but believe that we evolve from a common ancestor?
Because 2 people cannot give enough genetic diversity. The common ancestor was not a single pair but several groups of them, I think at least 18 females and 18 males have been identified as the mitochondrial Eve and mitochondrial Adam respectively. This makes way more sense than a fairytale about a talking snake.
oluwaahmed: Biological in the sense that man shares a DNA to the ape? Archaeological that bones of man living a million years ago were discovered. The question is this now, if man evolved in time from monkey to man, how come not all species of apes followed man to evolve? Are you also saying that in another million years man would have mutated/evolved into a different being? or the remaining apes would have evolved to join man?
Not only apes but all other living things as well. Add to that our morphological and physiological similarities. Man did not evolve from monkeys, man and other hominids evolved from a common ancestor following different evolutionary paths so there is no way they were all going to turn out the same. Maybe in a million years we will be different from how we are now but that cannot be predicted with any type of accuracy and that includes what will happen to the other apes.
Image123: Stoning adulterers is not a law, is it? It was a judgment/punishment. Stop trying hard yet again to deviate. We are talking about laws for ALL humans, laws that guide our actions.
Punishments are dictated by law, there is absolutely no reason to attempt a distinction.
Laws are made by communities and in our times by nations. There is nothing like laws for all humans, at least not yet so you are one desperate to deviate.
oluwaahmed: Ok so what is ur fact/knowledge about the origin of man? Am not a religious person but am also not an atheists justbtryin to understand where you coming from
As far as I know man is the outcome of several million years of evolution. This is supported by biological and archaeological findings.
Christianity Etc › Re: Interesting Counter On Animal Suffering by LordReed(m): 6:07pm On May 06, 2021
