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oluwaahmed:
Lord Reed my question is this, if u don't believe in a god, what do you believe in?

OfeAchi:
BACKGROUND:

I had a decent job before I met her and I was responsible for all the decisions I took, which mostly led to favourable outcomes.
However when I met her and began a relationship, I wasn't having the freedom I needed. Any decision I wanted to take without her authorization always ended badly. For example there was a period I wanted to jointly rent an apartment with a male friend of mine. She strongly opposed this but I still went ahead to pay rent. Unfortunately for me, within four months my friend had some issues with landlord and we were both evicted from the apartment. (although I got compensated)

Another instance was when I got paid some bonuses from company and decided to invest in some crypto projects during their ICOs (in 2017). I did some market analysis of these crypto projects before my decision to invest, only for her to advice me against it. She said we should instead, use the money to start farming. I didn't listen to her and went ahead to invest. THE RESULT: the investment that was supposed to take me to the moon now became more worthless than tissue paper! I shed tears because of this.

I now decided to get rid of her, but all plans of mine proved abortive. The more I tried to get her out of my life, the more we were brought together. Can you believe that the day I finally proposed to her was the very same day I tried to make out with an old girlfriend?

A friend of mine went to consult an ifa priest, who told him that my fiance has a cloud of good fortunes around her. But I don't believe in those spiritual mumbo-jumbos! I was determined to leave her. This made me begin applying for jobs in other states and towns, but nothing came forth. I even went for interview/test but didn't scale through. Some weeks later, she told me that she wasn't in support of me getting job in another town (she says she was scared of losing me).

Did you know? the time I decided to remove the thoughts of leaving her from mind and fully accept her into my life, was the time that I finally got a better job in another city!

MARRIAGE
We got married in 2019 and I was of the mindset that since she may be an ogbanje, therefore things would work in my favour and I would become a millionaire very quickly, but that's not the case.

Since marriage, any decision I take without her approval always leads to disaster!
I wanted to invest in a partnership deal and told her about it but she disapproved and said I should save the money instead. I went ahead to invest and I lost 400k! Same for other decisions in the house, the outcome was always negative whenever I don't heed her advice.

I hate all this! I'm a full grown man. Why should my life be based on the decisions of a woman? I feel like I'm no longer in control of my life.
I'm about to take a car loan from my company in order to escape this constant public commute and trekking but she has vehemently disapproved, that I should instead save for another year or two before buying car. But I still won't listen to her! If the loan ends in a disaster, I have decided that I would abandon this marriage and relocate to another country. A country where voodoo and religious mumbo-jumbo do not exist, so that I can be in full control of my life!

.......PS: we have a year old baby girl. Maybe I could be sending monthly upkeep from this new country I intend to relocate to.

Able readers, is my final decision a good one?

Image123:
Hehehehehehehehehe. Believe me when i say your minions. If you believe me more, you'll be a good believer,

Image123:
Duh, the moral law of God remains an unchanging leveller forever and ever.

elated177:
And what was my response?


I made the assertion below on 02/04/2020.



You, Reed, are not getting anything new from me.

elated177:
Where did you ask me such?

LordReed:
I meant to write you cannot claim to know what you don't know.

Look it up yourself, the information is readily available. I have given you the start point.

Just another assertion you cannot justify. Can you command the apparent motion of the sun to cease? Can you make it rain inside a house? Can you make a place light up without a light source? The fact is you cannot bypass the laws of nature which is why you cannot do these things, if your god existed or is the maker of the laws of nature you'd be able to do them.

LordReed:
Ask your daddy to make it rain inside a room.

Mariangeles:
Please don't.

Pardon me...I just couldn't help it

Put lots of onions instead for a delicious akara.
You like onions don't you?

HellVictorinho:
If you want to prove that something exists,all you will have to do is to determine how it exists.

Is it an event?
Is it a quality or a condition?
Is it an object?



If it is an event, what does it involve?

If it is a quality or a condition,who or what possesses it and how is it demonstrated?

If it is an object, what does it do?

Note: living things are objects too.

Have I not tried philosophically/scientifically


LordReed should say something about this post.

zeezaa:
After blending the beans, I used a hand mixer to whisk it until it becomes lighter and fluffy . This step replaces the turning with mortar that street vendors do.

elated177:
Maxindahouse, we can continue here, that is if you are interested.

I need a yes or a no to the questions below, if you don't mind.


No need to dilly dally or shilly shally over this issue. It is actually a simple matter. Anyone who claims to worship the Creator of heaven and earth must, at least, display a little of his Power in this world. The Creator of heaven and earth made all the natural phenomena, such as rain, wind, sun, moon, star, thunder and lightning, etc, and the laws that govern them. Since he made them and the laws that govern them, he can freely exercise authority over them. Don't you agree?

Anyone who claims to be a saint, servant or messenger of Yahushua the Messiah in this world must display, at least, little of the Messiah's Power in this world. Yahushua the Messiah did not leave his saints, servants and messengers without Power. Nope! That Power is the Set-apart Spirit. Don't you agree, maxindahouse?


Ihe onye nwere ka ọ na enye...a person can only give what he has.

Ihe onye ma ka ọ ekwu...a person can only say what he knows.

Image123:
The point was/is the law or Word of God is an unchanging leveller and standard for ALL. And that eating food is not a moral law.

zeezaa:
Your Saturday Akara is ready oooo

Mariangeles:
Super moist chocolate cake❤

Image123:
Still don't make it a moral law. Those laws were mainly for their health and hygiene, and there has to be a semblance of seriousness and punishment attached to disobedience else it won't be taken seriously.

Dtruthspeaker:
Now, the ridicule flies in, Clearly Showing No Road for you to Escape!

Dtruthspeaker:
You have departed from the issue for we are not talking about Supplying Evidence in Proof of God, but about "Records Outside and Beyond the Bible" which Corroborate Truths of the Contents of the Bible on Morality/Law, which I have just satisfied.

Haven't you heard "He Who owns the farm owns the harvest?"

So of course it goes without saying!

Now You Have Changed it from "favourite book of mythology" to "favourite mythological divine being" Hence Change of Post!

So, Truly, No Road for you to go on!

Dtruthspeaker:
Thanks for taking it well!

Here are a Few!

1) All Human Rights Books and for this Purposes, Preliminary Studies in Human Rights Law by O. W Igwe Take Notice of
American Congress of July 4, 1776, Declaration of Independence

"We hold THESE TRUTHS TO BE SELF-EVIDENT, that all men are created equal, that THEY ARE ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness... in Clear Proof and Declaration of The Truth that it is He Whom we Call God Who Created us and Set in Us the Rights we have as men and not man! Page 24.

4) Logic and Philosophy by Prince will I. Alozie credited to Don John Scotus (1266-1308) at Page 190.

"God willfully created the universe and willfully gave or commanded moral rule."

2) WHAT ARE HUMAN RIGHTS? Cranston M (1973)

"Human Right is A twentieth century name for what has been traditionally known as Natural Rights" in Proof that Nature Dictated Set Rights not man page 1.

3) CRIMINOLOGY: Stephen Jones (Butterworths,1998)

"INDIVIDUALS Agree to join together and form a Society" . Page 1

in Proof of God creating Individuals First as shown in the Bible before Societies were and are formed and can be formed.

5) Nichomechian Ethics by Aristotle,

"Natural Justice is that which everywhere, has the same force and does not exist by the people thinking this or that.."

6) All Philosophy Books Prove that Philosophers Studied what was created whether Ionians or Milesians or Thales and Prove that they came to meet things already on ground eg the earth, the seas, the skies, man, animals, Law!

Image123:
It depends on who and when. If you told your little daughter not to go out without shoes, not to steal, and not to talk while eating. i want to hope that you don't class all your laws on the same scale?

Image123:
i already answered your question, i said it's not a moral law. They are not in the same class.

Dtruthspeaker:
2 Times have I Declared it and now 3 Times have I said these Truths are Recorded in Law Books, Sociology Books, Philosophy Books, History Books,

But I understand you, (I am not attempting to insult you but I pay attention to souls and I know what type of soul you are, which is why you are the way you are, and yes I remember you hate boxes, but hate the box all you want, you are still in a box and going to always be in One, that is what it means to have never created yourself but be a creation and therefore, what I am describing). you Already know that your Sins and Offences have reached Unforgivable Proportions and Heights and therefore you have been Marked for Destruction, Exactly as Written, Thus, it is Finished For You and Nothing like Eternal Life matters for you for as Christ Says "You have No Part in it". John 14:30.

Therefore, Truth Does not Matter to you, but Truth is Only For those who have A Chance of Acquiring Eternal Life and Not for those who have Already been Condemned to "death", as their Soul has reported to them (John 3:18-21)

So it's Finished for you but it does not have to be so for other souls!

You of your own will chose and elected to commit suicide with your own soul, it is Wrong and Wicked and Satanic for you to Murder other souls thereby further committing "Murder-Suicide" as Suicide Murderers aka Suicide Bombers!

Image123:
It's not a moral law, are you ever going to try out understanding or we should do yet another silly game?

Image123:
No, it is a ceremonial law. i didn't know you were referring to the Bible though.

Dtruthspeaker:
I did answer as the records up Show but rather than rebut, you fell silent and Made Allegations

Re: 4 Reasons Why I Don’t Take Christians Seriously. : 7:39am
"Dtruthspeaker:
Yes, they Wrote Down their Laws before most nations were formed as reported, But They Are Not The Source, Creators Or Originators Of Moality (Law) for No Man made them, which is what we are saying.

The Creator Whom we call God, made Law (Morality) and The Law, made the man.

Therefore, Law (Morality) was already established on the earth even before man or the Sumerians or the Egyptians came to be. (My Counter!)

Then you failed to rebut but rather Alleged and attempted fleeing by saying



Making An Allegations is Never a Rebuttal!

Besides I have further countered that that these Truths are Also Contained in Law Books, Sociology Books, History Books, Philosophy Books and you still want to falsely represent that I am standing on on One Book, when I am Clearly Standing on 4 Other Books Separate and Distinct from the Bible, which Corroborate The Truth as Proffessed and Contained in the Bible and you have still not rebutted rather you are throwing tantrums that "your favourite book of mythology." therefore repetitions because you have reached a Wall you can not go through nor Break!

There is no shame in staying silent when you can not rebut.

Image123:
Is this your crayfish law a moral law?

FatherOfJesus:
Why do you waste a lot of efforts arguing with The Dtruthspeaker?
That dude reasons like he’s a primary 2 pupil

Image123:
i am talking about conscience, collection of laws were/are based on the conscience of the lawmakers. This is why laws on the same issue keeps getting amended.

Dtruthspeaker:
Not a guess Rather, it is ALSO SEEN and Proven, which is why you are not able to Offer any Reasonable Counter, for there is None!

And not Just the Bible alone, But The Law (Morality) Books, Philosophy Books, History Books, Sociology books Also Absolutely Show and Prove The Truth of this Fact.

Dtruthspeaker:
Yes, they Wrote Down their Laws before most nations were formed as reported, But They Are Not The Source, Creators Or Originators Of Moality (Law) for No Man made them, which is what we are saying.

The Creator Whom we call God, made Law (Morality) and The Law, made the man.

Therefore, Law (Morality) was already established on the earth even before man or the Sumerians or the Egyptians came to be.

Dtruthspeaker:
God is The Source of All That is Right and Good (Morality) as Evidenced and Irrefutably Proven by His Laws and Commandments.

No Other Group or Society in the World had a collection of Laws as Good and Right and Perfect and Balanced as The Law of God!

No, not one, anywhere!

So, yes people were practicing morality before the Bible as Evidenced by Abel, Seth, Enoch Abimelech etc, but the highest and acceptable standard of conduct and morality comes From God and His Laws!

Image123:
This is like saying people were living before the constitution or its amendment. It's perfectly fine and acknowledged in the Bible. The Bible remains the universal leveller, not a shaky conscience.

Jashub:
] Baseless claims with no facts attached. Most of the great scientific discoveries were made by Christians not atheist. The moral standards you foolishly say you have were created by Christians of which you shamelessly stole from which out acknowledging. Some would call it moral-plagiarism.

elated177:
Whatever you and your kind call him is totally and utterly irrelevant and infinitesimal. What he calls himself is all that matters.


Isaiah 42:8 “I am YHVH; that is my name! I will not yield my glory to another or my praise to idols.


Isaiah 45:5 I am YHVH, and there is no other;
apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me, 6 so that from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting people may know there is none besides me. I am YHVH, and there is no other. 7 I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, YHVH, do all these things. 8 “You heavens above, rain down my righteousness; let the clouds shower it down. Let the earth open wide, let salvation spring up, let righteousness flourish with it; I, YHVH, have created it. 9 “Woe to those who quarrel with their Maker, those who are nothing but potsherds
among the potsherds on the ground. Does the clay say to the potter, ‘What are you making?’
Does your work say, ‘The potter has no hands’?
10 Woe to the one who says to a father, ‘What have you begotten?’ or to a mother, ‘What have you brought to birth?’


Isaiah 45:18 For this is what YHVH says— he who created the heavens, he is God; he who fashioned and made the earth, he founded it; he did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited— he says: “I am YHVH, and there is no other. 19 I have not spoken in secret, from somewhere in a land of darkness; I have not said to Jacob’s descendants, ‘Seek me in vain.’
I, YHVH, speak the truth; I declare what is right.


Isaiah 45: 20 “Gather together and come; assemble, you fugitives from the nations.
Ignorant are those who carry about idols of wood, who pray to gods that cannot save. 21 Declare what is to be, present it— let them take counsel together. Who foretold this long ago,
who declared it from the distant past? Was it not I, YHVH? And there is no God apart from me,
a righteous God and a Savior, there is none but me. 22 “Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other. 23 By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked:
Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear. 24 They will say of me, ‘In YHVH alone are deliverance and strength.’” All who have raged against him will come to him and be put to shame. 25 But all the descendants of Israel will find deliverance in YHVH and will make their boast in him.


Isaiah 44: 6 “This is what YHVH says— Israel’s King and Redeemer, YHVH Almighty I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.
7 Who then is like me? Let him proclaim it. Let him declare and lay out before me what has happened since I established my ancient people,
and what is yet to come— yes, let them foretell what will come.


Isaiah 44:24 “This is what YHVH says— your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am YHVH, the Maker of all things, who stretches out the heavens, who spreads out the earth by myself, 25 who foils the signs of false prophets
and makes fools of diviners, who overthrows the learning of the wise and turns it into nonsense,
26 who carries out the words of his servants
 and fulfills the predictions of his messengers,


Amos 4: 13 He who forms the mountains, who creates the wind, and who reveals his thoughts to mankind, who turns dawn to darkness, and treads on the heights of the earth— YHVH God Almighty is his name.

So, you see, Reed, whatever you call my God, my Daddy in the sky, is totally and absolutely irrelevant. If you like write god in italics, it is totally irrelevant. He, YHVH ALMIGHTY, my Daddy in the sky, will continue to determine when and how the rain falls on you and your kind, when and how the sun shines on you and your kind, when and how thunder and lightning roar and blaze in the sky, when and how wind blows, etc and there is nothing you people can do to change that. So, it doesn't matter whether his existence is acknowledged or not, he is who and what he is.

YHVH Almighty, the Creator and the one and only true God, will continue to use this obedient saint, servant and messenger, Elated177, to determine when and how it rains on you and your kind, how the sun shines on you people, when and how the wind blows, when and how thunder and lightning roar and blaze in the atmosphere.

Una vex tire!

Una go attack the Scriptures tire!

Una go call derogatory names tire!

Una go display nudity tire!

Una still no go fit change am.

You people will still not be able to create enmity between the Creator of heaven and earth, YHVH ALMIGHTY, and his obedient servant, Elated177.

It is everyone with his or her own energy and talent.

Isaiah 44: 8 Do not tremble, do not be afraid.
Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago?
You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one.”


Yes! I am his witness and I declare what I have seen, felt, tasted and experienced. I proclaim what I have seen, felt, tasted, tested and confirmed to be true. I will continue to see, feel, taste and experience the great and awesome Power and Might of YHVH Almighty, the one and only true God. I, Elated177, will continue to declare and proclaim the Power and Might of YHVH Almighty, even as I continue to see, feel, taste and experience them.

Yes! There is no other Rock. I know not other.

El Elohe Yahshrael! Hallelu Yah!