Beaf:

^
Haters gon' hate.

@topic.
http://ekoakete.com/2011/06/23/governors-urge-fg-to-remove-fuel-subsidy/

dude,where in your article does it say ACN governors asked for subsidy to be removed?
what is the percentage of ACN governors compared to pdp and other parties
@lasinoh
pls spare us and stop displaying your ignorance on a public forum. non nigerians caucasians who call us animals/monkeys do frequent this forum too you know??

this is awesome
the thought that we still have practising politicians of this ilk in nigeria has already made my day and given me a renewed hope in the success of nigeria all it takes is a single individual and I'm sure with constant dogged fights we are capable of voting in more of people like this who wil effect the desired change in our body polity.
imagine having this man as a governor

this kind of situation will not fail to occur I'm sorry to say because of the way the country's forensic and murder investigations is being run by the police.

first of all if you ask the police for a DNA database or finger print and pictorial database and also to check records of similar murders in the past and in other areas of nigeria can they produce it??

how will they determine if the guy is a serial killer or has a sort of mental problem?

how will they determine if the guy has committed such murder in the past when records are not kept?

with the kind of money available the president should have voted enough money to set up a proper nigerian crime scene investigating department with mini branches in every single police station.
they will have a room with a fully operational pc suite containing a computer with a central database of all the crimes on record, the ipo in charge of this case will simply go and check to see any murders similar to this in all the states or what states or area the guy has been recorded as living in the past couple of years,

such a beautiful and vibrant girl full of life cut short may her soul r.i.p

so apparently the arrest of senator ndume has not abated the boko haram terrorist attacks, hardly suprising considering the lame duck govt have constantly refused to tackle it in a sensible and consistent manner.
its doubly annoying because they already have a template to work with in the way this issue has been handled and is being handled by western powers yet instead of doing this they are busy looking at ways to allocate and syphon any funds dedicated to security.
I'm sure the various governors will be really pissed off now that they actually have to spend and justify the hundreds of millions security funds they tunnel into their accounts,

instead of the govt to employ nigerian graduates and professionals in the area of terrorism both at home and abroad they are busy playing politics with it you don't have a godfather you will never be employed in the state security,police e.t.c,
what do policemen who have never experienced terrorism or even gone on a common 6 months course know about terrorism?
what do state/federal security agents who have refused to go on simple refresher courses in order not to leave their duty post to be usurped by subordinates know about terrorism?
we don't have a common finger print,facial and DNA database to work with which is like a starting point and they are voting 10 billion for GOD knows what!
where is our independent federal organisation dedicated solely to intelligence/information gathering on terrorism??
where are those manning the borders,especially the border we share with the likes of niger republic,chad e.t.c where these terrorists criss cross?

i guess i know the answer to all those pertinent questions and the mumu,odechukwu president is not willing to do anything about it probably until a member of his family perhaps his mother,wife or children are bombed then he will feel the pains of the victims

^^^^^^
[b] castrated babooooon!!i[/b] will as soon as your father and mother can string a single sentence of english language together, mind i don't mean pidgin english i won't even bother with you seeing as you have attained the heigh with the 3 months evening school you were able to attend

hannie:

[b]your mental halitosis is getting worse . . .[/b]

were alaso . . .

u go soon graduate!

slow nitwit!!!

dude its not by force to come across like obaiagbon,if you don't know how to string english words together then stick to the simple ones you know pls check the meaning of halitosis in the dictionary(clue, dental hygiene , ) then your dead brain like a stick of blue cheese and see if mental which is like a psychological state has any correlation to halitosis

hope your father's condition is getting better,learnt you had to resort to feeding him with herbs since you couldn't afford to take him to an hospital even in the run down ghetto you have spent the better part of your life
[b]mr graduate from ikorodu ghetto, menace to society, lunatic inspired, thick skulled gargoyle(see how they all rhyme and connect?)[/b]

hannie:


The rantings of a demented soul 

what a waste of copulatn 

true,your father's wasted semen and your mother's undeserved pain through pregnancy and child birth
waste of space for the country,a menace to this generation i will advice you to do everyone a favour and castrate yourself so we are not further lumbered with the likes of you, GARGOYLE

hannie:

^^^^

Obolangido feeling funky . . .

I dont read drivel written by doofuses like u . . .

when would you hang yourself forever u asstwat?

your morgue attendant job is running you more nuts than your whole generation can contend with

stupidity and ignorance of the highest order when a clueless lunatic whose though process is stuck in the 1960s and 70s thinks nigerians go abroad to engage in morgue attendant jobs.
i dont blame you seeing as you have never travelled abroad in your entire lunatic induced miserable life google is your friend so do some research on the educational qualifications working in a morgue entails.

i ll rather suggest your father and mother including you and your siblings hang yourself so the government can use you for pigs feed because you all are a menace to the society and contribute absolutely nothing i on the other hand contribute to the society, ignorant lunatic baboon

hannie:

^^^^ DO U SINCERELY THINK GOVERNMENT WILL PAY UP?

My father's clients are yet to get paid damages from the FG from cases won at the Supreme Court a couple of years ago, despite the fact that the case started 23-27 years ago . . . .

In this case, Baba Suwe will still need to win the appeal, thereafter the SC will sit on the case . . .this is guaranteed to drag on forever

it takes a true sadist and psychotic individual who will revel and rejoice at negative news about a man he hardly knows.
it takes a really decadent soul to wish another man will come down to his level and people like that don't succeed in life simply because they don't wish others well, continue in your rejoicing and see if your generation make any headway in life

houvest:


Thanks for your efforts here to engage me constructively but probably you need to read through Aluko's interview before you try to defend him because your attempt here does not appear thorough and your points are just your opinions. You cited no authorities to back them up

well seeing as the topic under debate is the intent behind prof sam aluko's interview,what sources again is required?i have read the interview from top to buttom hence the reason i posted a retort to your comment

houvest:

Notice the following my first point was this:1// Biafra was not forced on Igbos, It was a survival measure. Notice your rebutal.www

'in a situation such as this,it is the leadership who will make the decision to secede,in this case ojukwu in concert with his advisers,they were forced/pressured into making the decision to secede due to a number of incidents that happened where ojukwu reasoned that the igbos were no more safe in nigeria.e'

What point were you actually trying to make? Was it not a survivalist move? Are you saying that Ojukwu forced it on Igbos or what?

the point i was trying to make precisely is that history did not tell us that the igbos had a consensus and jointly decided to secede.moreover this was the point prof aluko was trying to make in his interview,that the leadership of the igbos due to what they saw as an untenable situation decided to secede and go to war and the people had to choice but to support,
the likes of jeremiah useni,ty danjuma and other middle belt leaders might also wake up tomorrow and decide to secede considering how many middle belt christians have been lost to riots,the properties they have lost,churches burnt e.t.c they can also justify it as a survivalist move and they will be right no?

houvest:

The decision to secede was a result of so many things. The main reason was survival. In a nation where 30,000 of your people had been massacred and the federal govt not only did nothing  about it but rather appears to be in support. The final impetus was the renegeing on Aburi. The Aburi accord was the best chance of solving the issues and still is but as soon as they came back from Aburi, Gowon reneged on the agreement thus leaving the Eastern Side high and dry. It was then that the Eastern Consultative Assembly which was like the legislative body passed the resolution for secession not Ojukwu.

The Republic of Biafra : Resolution by the Eastern Region
Consultative Assembly.





We, the Chiefs, Elders and Representatives of Eastern Nigeria,
gathered at this Joint meeting of the Advisory Committee of Chiefs
and Elders and the Consultative Assembly do solemnly declare as
follows:
Whereas we have been in the vanguard of the national movement for the
building of a strong, united and prosperous Nigeria where no man will
be oppressed and have devoted our efforts, talents and resources to
this end;
Whereas we cherish certain inalienable human rights and state
obligations such as the right to life, liberty and pursuit of
happiness; the right to acquire, possess and defend property; the
provision of security; and the establishment of good and just
government based on the consent of the governed;
Whereas in practical demonstration of these beliefs, our people
settled in other parts of Nigeria, served their country in many
capacities, and contributed immensely to the growth and development
of Nigeria;
Whereas we are living witnesses of injustices and atrocities
committed against Eastern Nigeria, among which are the premeditated
murder of over 30,000 of our innocent men,
women and children by Northern Nigerians, the calculated destruction
of the property of our sons and daughters, the shameless conversion
of two million Eastern Nigerians into refugees in their own country,
all this without remorse;
Whereas in consequence of these and other acts of discrimination and
injustice, we have painfully realized that the Federation of Nigeria
has failed, and has given us no protection;
Whereas in spite of these facts, the Government and people of Eastern
Nigeria have persisted in their efforts to find a practical and just
solution that would preserve the continued existence of Nigeria as
one corporate unit and restore peace and confidence as demonstrated
by the initiative of our Military Governor in getting all the
military leaders together at Aburi, Ghana;
Whereas the hopes which the Aburi Agreement engendered have proved to
be misplaced and have been destroyed by a series of acts of bad faith
and distortions and finally by a refusal on the part of the >Lagos
Government= to implement these and other Agreements notwithstanding
the fact that they were freely and voluntarily entered into;
Whereas the Federation of Nigeria has forfeited any claim to our
allegiance by these acts and by the economic, political and
diplomatic sanctions imposed against us by the so-called Federal
Government;
And whereas the object of government is the good of the governed and
the will of the people its ultimate sanction;
Now, therefore, in consideration of these and other facts and
injustices, we, the Chiefs, Elders and Representatives of all the
Twenty Provinces of Eastern Nigeria, assembled in this Joint Meeting
of the Advisory Committee of Chiefs and Elders and the Consultative
Assembly, at Enugu this 27th day of May, 1967, we hereby solemnly:
a. Mandate His Excellency Lt. Col. Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu,
Military Governor of Eastern Nigeria, to declare at the earliest
practicable date Eastern Nigeria a free, sovereign and independent
sate by the name and title of the Republic of Biafra.
B. Resolve that the new Republic of Biafra shall have the full and
absolute powers of a sovereign state, and shall establish commerce,
levy war, conclude peace, enter into diplomatic relations, and carry
out, as of right, other sovereign responsibilities.
C. Direct that the Republic of Biafra may enter into arrangement with
any sovereign unit or units in what remains of Nigeria or in any part
of African desirous of association with us for the purpose of running
a common services organization and for the establishment of economic
ties.
D. Recommend that the Republic of Biafra should become a member of
the Commonwealth of Nations, the Organization of African Unity and
the United Nations Organization.
E. Recommend the adoption of a Federal Constitution based on the new
provincial units.
F. Re-affirm His Excellency's assurance of protection for the persons,
properties and businesses of foreign nationals in our territory.
G. Declare our unqualified confidence in the Military Governor of
Eastern Nigeria, Lt. Col. Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu, and assure him
of our unreserved support for the way and manner he has handled the
crisis in the country.

So help us God.

Note from this resolution that the declaration of Biafra pwas predated by Aburi Accord and was cited here as a reason for the declaration but Aluko in his interview turned it the other way round. He said Ojukwu first declared Biafra and then turned around and told him that we can still talk whereby he now recommended Aburi. This historical falsehood is enough to throw away the whole interview. But let's continue

let us stop sensationalising issues here,i am sure you will agree with me that the coup led by major k.nzeogwu where the leading lights of the northerners including one of their wives were killed(sir abubakar tafawa balewa/sir ahmadu bello and his wife) amongst other northerners pre-dated any of the incident you have listed your own zip who should be labelled the betrayer lived to a ripe old age,ojukwu lived to a ripe old age yet the people who it is still widely agreed would have pulled the north out of the quagmire of poverty and illiteracy were wiped out was the wife a military personnel? what would you have said if you learnt boko haram murdered bianca onoh ojukwu pls?.or do you need proof of this as well?

while i am not justifying the actions of the north,they did not just wake up one day and start killing the easterners,they did this as a result of the nzeogwu coup.
besides the republican nature of the average igbo unlike other parts of nigeria means that they prefer to make decisions concerning them directly as opposed to representatives doing so for them, hence the fact that representatives made such a major decision in itself has validated prof sam aluko's stance or do you disbelieve this assertion?

the man was being asked a question by a reporter conducting an interview,so if he wasn't relating events in chronological order, then that should be the fault of the reporter who didn't arrange his questions well. that is not enough to call his accounts inaccurate.in fact you and others here have unwittingly validated many of the man's points so whats the issue here?

houvest:

Your second rebuttal was this :'its easy for people like you to say,because you have not witnessed ordinary secret cult clashes where blood is shed talk less of a war, ask anyone who has been involved in a war and they will tell you that the strongest fearless become little babies, at this time you are glibly saying your igbos were shouting for more weapons,they were demoralised,hungry,hounded by nigerian soldiers a blockade against food ,medical supplies even the western powers deserted them living in bushes there were even reports of cannibalism going on and in your own reasoning they will still be crying to fight more?'

Now note what Aluko said that I tried to dispute:


'But I was going almost every month to Enugu, Nnewi or Onitsha to see him. What worried me, as I told him, was that whenever I was going from Onitsha to Enugu or Onitsha to Nnewi, soldiers who are eastern soldiers would say: “Doctor, please tell Governor we don’t want to fight. [b]We have suffered enough.[/b] We don’t want to fight.” So, I will always tell him: “Emeka, the people you say no power in Africa can stop, are not willing to fight. They are not with you 100 per cent. This is what they tell me.” He said he knew but there was no going back and that he had secured the confidence of the French, British, the Americans and some African countries. I said: “Don’t rely on Western powers. They are talking to you now because you are controlling the oil. Immediately there is war and they take the oil from you, they will desert you. It is because the oil is in the East and you are military governor in the East. But with what I see, immediately those in Rivers and Cross Rivers desert you and they link with the Federal Government and the Federal Government take those places from you, Britain, America and France will leave you,” which is what they did.

So from this can you not see that at this point the shooting war had not started? So your rebuttal using  the situation in war-torn  Biafra is moot. If Aluko had said this happened sometime after the shooting war had started and the suffering in Biafra had started, It will have been more believable.

well sir,i suggest you note the bolded.where have they suffered enough?the bolded shows they have suffered casualties and were not willing to fight . this is not peculiar to the eastern soldiers,during the second world war,while hitler urged his soldiers to fight to the death even though they did and died of cold,hunger they continued to complain and some even surrendered to the american led alliance and begged not to fight anymore.
i don't need to remind you at that stage what the igbos had lost through the massacre, and why soldiers could have said this.
i will repeat again that war in whatever guise is the ugliest thing you can imagine. i have spoken to those who were involved in the kosovo war(albanians i met) and a liberian, ethiopeans/Eritreans(who led the longest civil war in africa)and they are all agreed on the fact that they would never wish war on their greatest enemy

houvest:

Now your next rebuttal was the following:


'if you read through your own comments,you have already contradicted yourself, while you disagree with prof alum's assertions that the cross river and rivers e.t.c were against biafra,you have also admitted in the same comment that there were some bad blood going on,
how did you come about your own figures that it was only an handful??
so your account of only an handful should be believed and that of prof aluko should be swept aside because you are igbo??
the man made an assertion,you confirmed his assertion in your comment yet you say he is uttering fallacieslooooool
if you agree the matter of voting for the hausas was all part of the continuation of the war,thereby validating prof alum's assertion what then are you on about?


That question should be asked Aluko because he made the assertion. The onus of proof lies with the person who makes an assertion not the person trying to deny it. Please google this: semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui gait.

well he made an assertion and you made a counter assertion, in my previous retort i pointed out that you have validated some of prof alum's assertions by your comment hence the reason i pointed out the contradictions.the issue is this do you agree or disagree with the following

1.the cross river,rivers indigenes e.t.c did not fully support Biafra? yes or no pls bear in mind their geographical location which is like you gys backing them while having a full frontal war with nigerian soldiers?
the fact that there was noticeable dissent amongst them means treachery can never be ruled out which is the point the prof was making how big/powerful is the biafran army to face the might of the nigerian army on virtually 2/3 sides and then quell the cross river,rivers mini revolt behind them?

2.do you agree that a large number of them wanted self determination as well precisely because they don't trust the igbos and didn't want to move from subjugation under nigeria to subjugation under the igbos? remember they own the oil in contention here not the igbo.

houvest:

I gave evidence to support my denial of Aluko assertion but he gave nothing for his assertion except that it was what he saw as he moved around in the east. Is that enough proof?

sire,this might not be enough proof in itself,but the fact that supporting accounts of his has been severally validated will render his verbal and visual proof/accounts enough, pls note that by virtue of the man's ethnicity and professional standing including his relationship with the main actors,he could afford to be neutral and also involved in the whole process,
this is not a strange occurrence,in the world war supposed enemies had mutual friends who were neutral. the eminent banking family the rotschilds were mutual friends and business partners of hitler's govt and also the american led alliance their banks were also prominent in france and other european countries at this time.same thing with the coca cola led by woodruff who supported both hitler while running a thriving business in america and other western countries

houvest:

But I told you that  1/a cross river man was at one time the  governor of Eastern Nigeria not an Igbo man.

the prof stated and you also confirmed by your earlier comments that the bad blood was not full blown as at that time,besides zip being an important entity in the east didn't stop him from abandoning your biafra cause and crossing over to the nigerian side?

houvest:

2/Effiong a, across riverman was Ojukwus second in command.

banjo was an integral part of ojukwu's inner military circle yet he is yoruba?

houvest:

3/All parts of the eastern region had representatives in the Eastern Consultative Assembly that passed the resolution  for the declaration of Biafra and fought for it.

like i have stated earlier,you and i know that the political nature of the east is totally different in the sense that they operate a republican form of governance.unlike other parts of nigeria they hold their igwes to account and always get fully involved directly in every decision concerning them hence the fact that representatives made such a serious decision on their behalf to me is not enough that they fully support it they simply went along because the only other choice was risk the ire of rampaging northerners

houvest:

4/Refugees from Ijaw ran to us and lived with us inour village house when their area fell to Nigeria. They ran to Imo instead of defecting to the Nigerian side. This shows you that they were not all against Igbos or Biafra as Aluko tried to paint.

this is not in itself enough, the popular bishop mike okonkwo's life was saved in lagos when the igbos were being massacred by a yoruba family friend the man is still alive today if you will like to confirm.
i know an hausa friend from adamawa whose dad also saved many igbos during this war this does not conclusively prove that the hausa or yoruba fully supported biafra surely?

houvest:

I let you know that there were also some against it even among Igbos so the qustion is what are you on about?

the bolded has shown and validated some of the professor's assertions concerning this issue so what is it exactly you are trying to say sire?
are you disputing the fact that the cross river indigenes didn't support the biafra cause as they didn't fully see themselves having a sense of belonging?
i won't ask you the question of them supporting the biafra cause because you have answered that in the above bolded comment in not so many words

houvest:

I showed you that voting for hausas was post civil war not before the civil war and that was only during the second republic. Before the war they always voted for Zik-an Igboman so how could Aluko say those about them. In the 3rd republic they voted for Abiola. In the 4th Republic, they voted for Obasanjo, then Yaradua, then GEJ. So how are they always voting for hausas who also kill them as they kill Igbo as Aluko asserted.

the voting pattern might very well be erratic,but
1.it still validates the professor's point
2.he was using this as one of his reasons not the main reason so its not enough for you to hinge the totality of his assertions on this minor point

houvest:

Your next point was this:


'the eastern consultative assembly did not conduct a general consensus amongst the generality of the igbos to ask if they wanted to pull out or not neither did ojukwu.the fact that they supported it does not translate to them wholeheartedly supporting it,
the british,french,americans all made a point of protesting against the iraq invasion in britain we even had the largest anti war demonstration,this didn't stop tony blair,george bush/nato alliance forging ahead anyway, after the criticisms,the half truths discovered e.t.c the people had no choice but to support the soldiers waging war so you are now saying that come 20/30/40/50 yrs from now a brit or french man can stand up and say that the country fully supported the invasion??
RElli!'

Okay now you agree that it was the Eastern Consultative assembly that made the resolution for Biafra not Ojukwu. Ok then.

i have never disagreed with this,i however think and still do based on the available accounts that ojukwu initiated,and was the driving force and most committed to it.
how many of the eastern consultative assembly committed their life savings and properties to the biafran cause?

houvest:

But however did you arrive at what you wrote above. These were representatives of the people voted in by the people. There was no dissent among them. Not one. Did you want them to conduct a referendum before they know the peoples mind. The torn limbs, headless bodies, pregnant women ripped open mothers arriving with their headless infants in their arms, cries of widows widowers and orphans arriving everyday by train from the North with their harrowing tales of midnight visits by the northern mobs, misery, agony written all over them while Gowon was playing russian roulette in complete indifference or even acquiscence all helped to fuel the fury added to the treating of the Aburi Accord with levity by Gowon and his men  was  was all the referendum you needed.

this is precisely the point and the issue prof aluko was dragging with ojukwu,
first i have stated the reason why i believe the eastern consultative forum cannot make major decisions for the east i.e their nature
if you note what bianca ojukwu quipped in a recent interview she said and i quote(not word for word) the igbos are like wild horses who cannot be held down by one leader and goes on to say it requires dialogue and wisdom.
prof aluko also stated the same thing in this interview where he warned ojukwu that he cannot force his opinions on his people but rather be loyal to them. this reasons including the reasons adduced above  why i don't agree.

secondly you stated that the torn limbs,headless bodies e.t.c is enough of a consensus. I'm sorry but anyone who makes a major decision such as a civil war based on those sentiments does not deserve to be a leader.hitler as bloodthirsty as he was went through dialogue and several motions before declaring war
this was precisely why i asked you that should the likes of ty danuma,jerimiah useni e.t.c all throw caution to the wind and use the incidents of pregnant women's bowels sliced open,children and babies' heads smashed on floors families wiped out as a justification for war ?
this is not something i am just saying we have all seen what the middle belt from jos and environs to kaduna e.t.c have lost and are losing
we know ty danjuma is wealthy enough to sponsor a small african nation talk less of middle belt.

the aburi accord was handled in a bad and shoddy manner agreed,but still negotiations and consultations would have eventually resolved the issue.the yorubas almost got to the point ojukwu was then during and after the death of abiola still negotiations started and here we see the result rightly or wrongly but at least there were minimal bloodshed. who knows if ojukwu could have been able to negotiate a stronger federal presence leading to an igbo presidency if he had not opted for the biafra option?
the south south who are the junior partners in the biafran experiment have the presidency now yet the ibos who have the balance of power financially and politically amongst the two are yet to even smell it?

there were several options ojukwu and the forum could have negotiated for,e.g what i call regional federalism .he was not realistic enough and naive  to realise no nation worth its salt would ever open their eyes and watch a small section of the whole country appropriate the south south and the resources to itself and then saunter off to form a separate nation, it would have been a different case and outcome if the igbos owned the oil, we see the south south militants rather than being wiped out were negotiated with and an agreement sorted with them even by the iron willed obasanjo because they owned the resources not trying to strong arm it from the owners.
same goes for south sudan they directly owned the oil

houvest:

Good that you glossed over and did not try to rebutt what I wrote about the falacies about the 1983 elections, the excuses for reneging on Aburi and his claim that the superpowers supported Biafra ab initio

i don't need to gloss over anything sire,because the main reason for this thread and this debate is precisely the intent of professor aluko's interview,including the validity.
i dont dispute the 1983 election,but i have sought to point out and correct what i see as your inaccuracies.
irrespective of the excuses for reneging on the aburi accord you have to realise that gown was not infallible,
agreed that gowon gave too much away to a smarter man,nevertheless egos should have been set aside and another round of negotiations entered into to avert civil war.
if the south south stood by the accord signed in 1967 then we should have been at war.
if isaac boro stood by the declaration which by the way was before biafra we should have been at war.

do you honestly think the western powers have some sentiments for biafra if oil was not involved?
pls tell me you don't because we both know that would be incredibly naive,
even if we were not present during biafra,iraq,libya is enough proof of what professor aluko was asserting

houvest:

but your parting shot on Zik is noted but the issue here is The analysis of Aluko's interview about an alleged tight friend which he kept till he died. Since his tight friend is not here to agree with or refute his claims, morality lays a burden on us ,the living ,to surgically analyse it to see whether it stands or falls. Nobody is hounding him but since he has thrown his gauntlet down, it has to be accepted. He did not provide any recorded evidence nor written proofs so it is just his words and dont you think that after 44 years and at the age of 84, some details may have got mixed up or recast in a way not entirely true. Analyses attempt to recover the truth in the story.

Thank you.

oh i see,so you can glibly slide on past zik's "sins" as it were and then harp on a man who was stating events as he witnessed it?
let me ask you,if this was cc onoh.ajuluchukwu or any of the old guard making these assertions will anyone doubt their accounts?
secondly i hope you realise many of your old men including ojukwu's family are alive and well to disprove professor aluko's account?
professor aluko is not just an ordinary nigerian,he is an eminent nigerian who son is great in his own right hence at his age will not seek national nor ethnic relevance by making up stories about ojukwu.google his name or research on it and find out his precedence before casting aspersions on him
pls bear with me any typos was multi tasking

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Re: What Ojukwu Told Me Before, During And After The War —sam Aluko
« #61 on: Yesterday at 10:25:07 PM »
Interesting Reading. However there are a number of fallacies and loads of prejudice and the fact that all these came out after the death of the other party leaves a lot of question marks. 1/ Biafra was not forced on Igbos, It was a survival measure.

@houvewest
in a situation such as this,it is the leadership who will make the decision to secede,in this case ojukwu in concert with his advisers,they were forced/pressured into making the decision to secede due to a number of incidents that happened where ojukwu reasoned that the igbos were no more safe in nigeria.

I wonder how soldiers trained to defend themselves and their people after seeing tens of thousands of their kit and kin massacred in the North will tell Aluko that they did not want to fight when actually the civilians were begging Ojukwu to give them guns and even matchets to go and fight.( Ojukwu nye anyi mma, nye anyi egbe outcry) If Aluko was really in the East then I am surprised that he did not understand the anger in people's heart then.

@houvewest
its easy for people like you to say,because you have not witnessed ordinary secret cult clashes where blood is shed talk less of a war, ask anyone who has been involved in a war and they will tell you that the strongest fearless become little babies, at this time you are glibly saying your igbos were shouting for more weapons,they were demoralised,hungry,hounded by nigerian soldiers a blockade against food ,medical supplies even the western powers deserted them living in bushes there were even reports of cannibalism going on and in your own reasoning they will still be crying to fight more??


[b]
2/ To say that the people of Cross River and Rivers were anti Biafra ab initio is historically false. Certainly there were antagonists like Elechi Amadi , SaroWiwa,etcas there were a handful also among Igbos eg Asika Ukpabi but they were also in the minority but grew as things started looking south and especially after the states creation by Gowon. But up to the end of the war many non Igbo Biafrans were pro Biafra. I still remember as a toddler the many Ijaw people that ran to my village in Imo as refugees and lived in our house with us. It is unfortunate that the antagonists gained the upper hand through anti-igbo propaganda especially the then Rivers and was able to sway the others and even dragging the Ikwerres their way to the extent of being able to perpetrate one of the most inhumane treatments to their Igbo brothers post civil war infamously called the abandoned property saga. The matter of voting for the hausas were all part of the continuation of the war after the war. Before the war ,Ziks ncnc always swept the votes in all those areas.After all, Eyo Ita from Cross River was the Governor of Eastern Nigeria before the infamous western cross- carpetting made Zik leave Ibadan for Enugu to replace him. Much bad blood rose between the Efik/bibios and Igbos from that but not to the point of fearing the Igbos more than the hausas who killed them eqaully as the Igbos.
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@houvewest
if you read through your own comments,you have already contradicted yourself, while you disagree with prof alum's assertions that the cross river and rivers e.t.c were against biafra,you have also admitted in the same comment that there were some bad blood going on,
how did you come about your own figures that it was only an handful??
so your account of only an handful should be believed and that of prof aluko should be swept aside because you are igbo??
the man made an assertion,you confirmed his assertion in your comment yet you say he is uttering fallacieslooooool
if you agree the matter of voting for the hausas was all part of the continuation of the war,thereby validating prof alum's assertion what then are you on about?


The fact people forget about Biafra was that it was a survivalist option no matter how faulted people can make of it with the benefit of hindsight. The Eastern Consultative assembly had representatives from all nooks and crannies of Biafra and voted overwhelmingly for Ojukwu to pull out Biafra. The Republic of Biafra :

@houvewest

the eastern consultative assembly did not conduct a general consensus amongst the generality of the igbos to ask if they wanted to pull out or not neither did ojukwu.the fact that they supported it does not translate to them wholeheartedly supporting it,
the british,french,americans all made a point of protesting against the iraq invasion in britain we even had the largest anti war demonstration,this didn't stop tony blair,george bush/nato alliance forging ahead anyway, after the criticisms,the half truths discovered e.t.c the people had no choice but to support the soldiers waging war so you are now saying that come 20/30/40/50 yrs from now a brit or french man can stand up and say that the country fully supported the invasion??
RElli!

on a last note,I'm surprised none of you ethnic jigoist mentioned anything about zik's betrayal of ojukwu and biafra, so zip is an angel in spite of abandoning you to join nigeria and opposing ojukwu,yet professor aluko who stated an unbiased and objective account of what he witnessed is a traitor,enemy and all sorts, even if ojukwu was dead are many of the people mentioned not alive to corroborate or disagree?

the man said he has not seen ojukwu in years because he moved to enugu or wherever,do you know the man's age?so you expect him to drive or look for ojukwu to validate his own accounts of what happened did ojukwu himself finish his war memoirs before he died if it was that easy?

hannie:

you need a brain transplant in all entirety . . .

to think you actually posted this drivel just to prove WHAT EXACTLY?

THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS YOU ARE A BASTARD, STOP FORCING THE ISSUE, U BLOODY DUMBO!!!

Arrow!!!

im not disputing that I'm a bastard since you have used the single functioning cell in your brain to figure that out but my station in life,the bastard that i am is a million times better than that of your father,your whole family including yourself and the village girl that was married for you,its obvious the poverty in for generation is playing a big part in your lunatic rhapsodies all over .

i posted it to prove that the driving force behind your online rantings and hollow lunatic musings is actually bitterness due to your father's condition of being a penniless disillusioned alcoholic with tuberculosis and also your untreated psychotic lunacy and failure in life.

i am not disputing that i am a bastard so why are you disputing the fact that you are a thick skulled neanderthal,an untreated psychotic patient /lunatic,a local small time thug for hire and a total all round failed ,disillusioned and bitter local business man,

my offer still stands;;i can guarantee your father an unskilled job,your mother can be employed as either a cleaner or a cook in our compound but i really can't vouch for you unless a doctor signs you off as responding to treatment we can put you in charge of the fish pond to clean and harvest let me know if u r interested but don't forget the earlier condition still stands

i won't be a judge of wether tinubu stole or not as that is not the issue under discussion however i believe it is completely retorted and silly for the government to make owning and operating foreign accounts illegal.
most of the politicians have at one time or another lived abroad some for more than 10/20/30 years before moving back to nigeria,so it is conceivable that they will still need their accounts which many have been running for quite some time to pay for their mortgages,credit cards and other bills so if they close this down how would you expect them to make the payments?
some still have their family abroad,how are they going to send money to them if they have closed their account?
if you want to tackle corruption then do what needs being done not going  on a wild goose chase

9jafreak:

[size=16pt]Nigerians are funny.

How is this Man different from Kumuyi (now monitoring and controlling his Empire from the UK), Adeboye (the continent's biggest Emperor), Oyedepo (the over-ambitious business mogul), D.K. Olukoya (President, Ministry of Fear & Personal Vendetta), Chris Oyakhilome (C.E.O Cosy Christianity Centre), Adefarasin (The Repackaged 21st Century Church) Ayo Oritsejafor (the Fund Raiser), Mike Okonkwo (the bureaucratic general), Uma Ukpai (the Miracle Seller), Matthew Ashimolowo (the rabblerouser) Sam Adeyemi (From Corporate Christianity), among many others.

I encourage anybody serious about his/her faith to STUDY (not read but STUDY) the Four Gospels. It is impossible to associate with Modern Christianity after so doing.

There is a reason Jesus never became a part of the popular churches of His time. Remember the Church killed Jesus. Now they killing Him again.

"When the Son of Man shall return, WILL HE FIND FAITH (not church but faith) in the Earth?"

The answer is becoming easier now.[/size]

these men you have mentioned are miles different from the sign freeman.
for one they are conservative in outlook,and also apart from their peculiar ministries by their age and moral standing there are some stuffs you won't find them doing, last 4 months i saw dr kumuyi in victoria train station and he was carrying his own bag the only person with him was an assistant and he just stood in a corner if this man sign freeman came to uk i can bet you it will be with an entourage.

i have no problems if an MOG declares that for instance his own teachings will be on financial freedom or marriage or youth empowerment e.t.c i believe these are issues that need to be addressed for a level playing field for christians in their day to day.
we recently heard of sanusi dragging nigeria into an islamic bank ing organisation,they certainly are not looking for christians as members so we should empower ourselves as well what i have a problem with is when a MOG twists the bible in such a way that

1.he can not be questioned or you will incur the wrath of GOD
2.it is the duty of a christian to donate,sow seeds incessantly when its supposed to be the other way round

i wonder when we nigerians will start to think straight devoid of emotions, seyi rhodes is an outsider who simply did an unbiased article exactly as he saw it.why we are disappointed is because we are not used to this style of reporting/journalism in africa.

1.he said it to the man's face that he did not witness any miracle nor prophecy, i didn't throughout the programme as well,the man could have easily performed a miracle or prophecised concerning the seyi rhodes to disprove him.

2.he said the man was effectively like the head/ceo of a company marketing his products,well poster the links you have posted has validated that point, the pics are straight out of GQ
the poster sleeves e.t.c

3.from what i saw of the video,the poor were giving out of their meagre resources,i don't see the church announcing that people should wait behind for refreshments or some welfare scheme its all about take take take pastor riding in hummer,range and majority of the congregation trekking(yellow is my favourite colour)

4.the worst is that when the guy confronted him he had a perfect opportunity not only to defend himself in the eyes of the international community but to defend other MOGs but he could not even put up a convincing and coherent defence

hannie:

your educated father wasnt smart enough to know that fathering bastards in the name of looking for a male child is actually not good for the society?

u need to go slap your father hard in the face . . .

y'all are a disgrace to your communities . . .

asstwat like u keep coming on NL to boast about your non-existent father , . . . .

dude, LISTEN UP!!!

your father's gateman is the father of your mother's child that IS U

U freaking bastard!!!

well he fathered a lot of educated,distinguished phd holders one in chemistry,a medical doctor,a dentist,a couple of architects,accountant political scientists which i am one a consultant paediatric in uk,a purchasing manager in shell p/hacourt e.t.c

now look at that line up then compare it to your miserable snivelling,bald headed dirty poverty stricken,illiterate alcoholic of a father who is not only wasting space walking up and down aimlessly all his life,but foisted a lunatic,degenerate,psychotic failure of an offspring on us , he should have done us a big favour and go give birth or dump you somewhere near the niger border at least you would have been settled and blend in perfectly with that kind of society.

not only is your father a total failure,and poverty stricken individual he also foisted a mad human being on the already over stretched society now you are roaming about from one end of your ghetto to the other constituting a nuisance and using the 100 naira you get daily for feeding to log on the internet cafe.

looooooool well then i guess i must thank him for accepting me then right how about your father who is your true father who not only infected you with poverty and lack of opportunities but also infected you with lunacy the worst combination ever is a mad and poverty stricken alcoholic

my offer still stands,admit your family needs help and i will drop my email for you to get in touch i promise your father will be working in one of our concerns as an unskilled worker before the end of the month,as for you i really can't recommend a lunatic to my "father"loooool sorry my fake father

i bet it burns you so much to know that while you are drinking garri,living in a stinking face me i face you room and parlour in a poor run down part of ikorodu this useless,boastful proud lucabrasi has everything going for him

NO BE MY FAULT,NA BABA GOD O like 9ice said in his song beg baba GOD MAYBE IT COULD BE YOUR TURN SO THE CYCLE OF POVERTY AND MADNESS MIGHT END WITH YOUR GENERATION, sorry i need to call the guy that transfers my pounds into my gt bank account

easy for him to say clueless idiot!! why didn't he send his son who looks like aki and paw paw to go and die for the nigerian cause as a martyr

hannie:

YET HE FATHERED A BASTARD

JESUS WEPT!!!

still doesn't take away the fact that my father is well educated contrary to your psychologically warped thinking while your failure of a drunkard father who might possibly be one of our gatemen can sum up the whole of his life in one word ALCOHOL
its a pity how you being second generation is continuing the legacy of poverty,psychosis and alcoholism started by your father pls accept my sincere condolences on the condition of your father and you

can't imagine how el rufai and his immediate family are feeling right now.may GOD give them the fortitude to bear the irreparable loss.i don't know the girl personally but we have mutual friends and the gist i heard is that she is a really humble and quiet girl,heard it was something to do with epilepsy they opened the door to her father's flat where she lives and found her dead.

Vigilante:

See envy. See bad belle.

i tire o,at least they should let the poor girl rest in peace

this is a really sad and humbling indictment on the nigerian police leadership, it is really sad that the rank and file who always pushed to the fore front to face the armed robbers don't have e welfare package commensurate with the kind of dangerous job they undertake, some police officer's uniforms are torn including tattered boots,when they are transferred to a new station some are not allocated sleeping quarters with them resorting to sleeping in empty cells and then waking up at 5am to bath outside the station yet we complain when they take bribes.

abroad apart from the government,private individuals and businesses take it upon themselves to reward and take care of their police force which we don't do here.
in my former house,a normal pc who lives next to me drives a 2010 mercedes s class with a smaller but latest model ford focus which he drives to work while his wife drives the merc,they have all the insurance in place in fact they even get paid a special washing allowance yearly about 100 pounds plus.
the guy and his wife own their 3 bed semi detached property with like 200k that kind of police officer will not accept a bribe even if offered him because he knows he not only sees a future in his job he will not jeopardise a well paying job for a few pounds bribe.

hannie:

u surely dont want to go there with me u dumbo . . . .

your seminal fluids don dey do over-floating again like your father abi?

baboon I'm already there and waiting for you.havent the mushy rubbish you call a brain not digested that already?
let me go on another level with you educationally my father was the best in latin,algebra and mathematics up to university level.he didn't school in nigeria but one of the best universities in the world go and find out(trinity college now university dublin)
your father who is a stark illiterate can't measure up to that talk less you who do didn't even attend a technical school talk less of evening school

airmark:

^^^^^ I know by now you should count urself as a loser with your soap making room. Baba suwe will be 25milla richer, while u could nt make 25k in a year from your yeye ''soap factory''. .
You can see how miserable you are now. A crying loser.

i v advised him already to go and beg baba sure now that the man has been awarded 25m

^^^^^^
look at this failed asylum escapee,what mistakes did you correct??baboon talk about delusions of grandeur maybe you are mistaking me for your colleagues in the loonie ward you have been kept and monitored.
of all the issues you have chasing you up and down both psychological and financial including familial me putting spaces between my sentences is the most pressing for you?? shows you are really clueless about the world's going ons,
you,  zero educational qualifications,a failed and psychotic political thug correcting me with 2 degrees lol if ididnt know the first thing about english comprehension,syntax,style e.t.c do you think i would have passed out or you reckon lecturers are bribed here?
i hope your father's alcohol problem is getting better cause its obvious your mother's tuberculosis is really draining affecting him and a causal effect apart from your madness and failure in life which has defied every known odds, its a pity thick skulled, (i repeat neanderthal)

btw hope you have just read the news at the local newsstand where you go every morning to do free reading that baba sure has been awarded 25million naira by the courts against ndlea.since your expectations like everything you have ventured in life is shattered i will suggest you go to his house and beg for crumbs again he will oblige you

real shame, and the man was one of the few senators who seemed sincere when speaking on gbenga aruleba's defunct programme on air

if he tries to cross over to another party i can bet my buttom pound that he will definitely loose.they ll out rig him and tell him to go to the tribunal he ll get the gbenga daniels/akala treatment

@poster
like you i used to be a believer in the touted GEJ change,i have since then ceased to be a believer because the man simply doesn't have a clue.let him remove waziri first before you start popping champagne, there has been a whole raft load of promises the problem is fulfilling them e.g banning importation of rice

hannie:

na u get thin skull abi? congrats on your achievement!!!

bloody motherf.ucker feeling funky!!!

u wey be slave for another man country sef dey yap bunkum. . . .Thunder fire your whole generation!

no, mine and every normal person's skulls have a normal thickness. yours is extraordinarily thick just like the cave men who are your immediate rather than far descendants, hence the reason people are called thick.get it?? even you asking has already validated my assertion that you are thick skulled baboon!

from a cursory analysis i think your madness and psychosis needs another heavy shot of horse tranquilliser to calm your fried/dead brain tissues

i will rather be a slave in heaven than a king in hell!JOEY DEACON, i don't need to ask thunder to fire your generation because you are already suffering the effects of a pulverised generation ass wipe

mdsocks:


You know the problem of most peeps here, they are resurrecting old hatchets to persecute new fights,

OF what benefit is the train movement of goods to Lagos

are you really asking this question on kidding??
if you are then some of the benefits are the following,
*they will get their produce to lagos on time so there will be less produce going bad meaning more money for the farmer especially subsistence farmers who the initiative is geared towards.
*their goods will get to lagos in record time compared to the vehicular transportation,less danger on the roads as well
*they are not paying for it,meaning less over head costs,a more comfortable journey(if you have witnessed the farmers sitting on stacks of produce on trailers)

mdsocks:

Whats the definition of a farmer??

Why do the farmers have to transport their goods themselves to Lagos??

they are transporting their goods to lagos because that is where they will get the best price for their farm produce its all about capitalism surely?

mdsocks:

Is there a surplus of farm produce in Osun Already??

it is of no consequence because i am fully at liberty to go wherever i will get the highest price for my produce.why do the hausas and niger erians transport their cattle and rams hundreds of miles to lagos?

mdsocks:

Is Osun self sufficient??

that is totally besides the point because aregbesola is not forcing them to take their goods to lagos,all he is doing is alleviating their sufferings and saving them so more money a farmer will not use cassava to pay for his children's school fees or take his father to the hospital its money he will use

mdsocks:

Who owns the coaches being used?

whoever owns is again is of no consequence,the pertinent question you should be asking is
will the initiative alleviate the sufferings of the osun farmers?
will it encourage and stimulate farming on a larger scale?
will it save the lives ?
if the answer is yes to all three questions as mine is then that is all that matters, aregbesola won't be putting the trains amongst his possessions whenever his tenure ends would he?

mdsocks:

How does NRC get pain for the use of its rail lines,

either they get paid or not the nrc leadership/ministry of transportation in their own wisdom decided it was a good deal for them and took it,the farmers are not paying anything so where exactly has it harmed them?

mdsocks:

Is this sustainable??

this is not the right question to be asked right now,the man has come up with an awesome initiative which should be applauded and supported hence he deserves the benefit of doubt not disqualifying him from the race even before the start!

mdsocks:

You need to ask yourself these questions, to clearly understand things!!!

your questions have in no way shed any light on the initiative either way

this is petrol for tribalist's fire,
before the end of today this thread will turn to a yoruba versus ibo slanging match

Eko Ile:

The usual sily and irrelevant argument. Whats train ownership got to do with the states farming and empowerment project?

Obviosly, tons of other states have rail stations , but how many of them have the same vision to ferry their farmers to lagos for, talk less for free.

This is one of the many pointless and moronic argument we read everyday,  they yell and cry about the ones that are rasiing their fingers and making a difference while praising incompetent do nothing losers.


Well, as stated in the article, the people of osun are happy, they are the ones  the governor is responsible for, not the saddists on nl.

truer words have not been spoken, the only sensible comment
who cares about the ownership of the trains as long as the people who voted him in are enjoying the fruits of democracy even if he bought the trains,its not as if he will drive the trains out and park it on his drive way after his tenure so whats the big issue here.
the poster wasn't talking about the train ownership the main focus of the thread was about an agricultural initiative which is worthy of emulation and praise

LMAOOOO this man never cease to amaze me