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Gabrielshow24:
I have had this conversation before with jae and the likes.
Correlation doesn't always mean causation!

Enuma elish and atrahasis are older books.
The theme of both, as compared to the bible, are totally different.

You can do better to come up with more compelling evidence than this.

It's not a word to word copy.
At best it shows, a common ancestor😂😂😂.
Is this your refutation? 🤣🤣🤣

Na really correlation and causation😂 this is sweet.

E say common ancestor.😂

Gabrielshow24:
So far all I can see is that you don't know what you are saying!

You are just here to troll!
You make it sound as if theists don't have proof for God!

Ethics, morality are some of the things deeply rooted in the human brain yet can they be empirically formulated?

I don't know whether you just want to continue in this delusion of yours but I wish you all the best 😂😂.

Science doesn't have a direct experiment to prove singularity, they allude to some of its effects as evidence for singularity!!!

Can't you see the hypocrisy? 🤣🤣🤣
You believe in the singularity but yet it's not concrete🤔🤔🤔.

What's the difference between you and theists?

🥱🥱 Plenty words while dodging questions cause no evidence for empty claims. Boring.

Gabrielshow24:
Unlike mine, yours doesn't have a direct effect!
Do you see people flying about with spider webs?

But today we have thousands of languages!!!
You can come up with a better analogy 🙃

Yes yes why don't we just continue assertions without evidence. This one exception I'd disprove your unprovable nonsense fiction to show you a typical empty vessel theist. You ready boy, first off the tower of babel story is a myth adapted from another mesoptamian myth older than it by a thousand years in the same Ancient Near East, the well known Epic of Gilgamesh where Enlil the god was been disturbed by humans noise and chaos as they were bulding a great city called....😁 Babylon in... Sirnah and a towering Ziggurat tower to reach the gods. Sound familiar dumbo. Enlil fearing that humans would be too powerful and contend with the gods decided to confuse their language and scatter them on the earth and the city was abandoned. The epic of gilgamesh story from the sumerians which are the oldest civilization dates back to 2100bce while the genesis story dates to 600-400 bce. 🤣

Academic Sources :
Gilgamesh and the Bible by David Damrosch (Journal of Bib.....

Journal of Near Eastern Studies: The Epic of Gilgamesh an....

Had to remove the full details to prevent bot ban. So indoctrinated ignoramus, how can your myth adapted from an older myth a thousand years before it be the factual one without evidence. 🤣🤣🤣 Frigging clown, read you say no. How won't you be daft. This is not evwn considering other older cultures from the ANE with similar language myths. 🤡 The flood and Noah is another bible copy copy.

Gabrielshow24:
You have google you can query about the existence of such places, you can even verify the age that best corroborates with the "making of brick" etc

This was the culture of a people!
Furthermore, there are so many things that there isn't empirical proof for!!!

A lot of things are abstract and can't be measured.
Can you empirically prove killing someone is bad or good? 🤔
Or can you empirically prove or measure your mother's love?

Now to also remind you, why did the ancients build houses?
I have empirical proof for the reasons for such!
You seem to suggest otherwise 🤔.
Let us know about that!

And its not baseless?! 😁 when the evidence plays hide and seek like your god. Some jokes write themselves abeg.

Gabrielshow24:
The bible offers a historical claim!
One that implies God being the source of the diverse languages!

We don't have an empirical way to prove the intervention of God save from the bible and historical evidences that confirms the existence of such places but we have direct evidences from its effects.

🤣🤣🤣 thought as much. So the typical circular argument.
Let me show you an interesting fact. Do you know New York from the spider man comics is a real place, so spider man is real.

Gabrielshow24:
Now that you can see that the bible's claim is not baseless🤨.

You can do so well to provide the "factual" evidence 🤣🤣🤣

Let me guess, you don't have🥲

Where have you shown its not baseless, where's the evidence source consensus.

Gabrielshow24:
There is historical evidence🤔.
Historical evidences that seem to back the bible's claim!!!

But it doesn't empirically substantiate the existence or diversification of languages!!!

Already dropping buts😂, now im going to slap the ignorance out of you with facts. Evidence, state em. Show sources.

Gabrielshow24:
Your straw man fallacy is impressive but bothersome!!!

You implied that black hole became apparent although its frameworks were concrete.

I asked what's the difference in state between the time of the posits of its "frameworks" to its image capture?

The only difference is the presence of sophisticated instruments!!!

Your allusions is that presently there might not be "instruments" to prove such but the framework(s) for singularity is present!!!

Now I am using your 4) claim against you.
In the same vein an apologetic can say the same thing.

You don't have the instruments to disprove God and we also have our own frameworks that purports his existence!!!

Also what experiments have you performed to prove singularity 🤔?

Scientists only allude to its effect as evidence🤔

And finally your odds of making heaven is zero!

You will finally be joined to your maker — Nothing 🤣🤣🤣

You obviously haven't got the faintest clue. This is the second time now, you ignored the last one. Quote the bolded from my posts.😁

Also where i said this "But you argue that we don't have the present framework to determine singularities ". Read book una say no.

Gabrielshow24:
No one is disputing whatsoever you have written up there.

The fact lies that the biblical claim has an evidence (some allusions to it)🤨

Hence disproving it requires you to counter its claim!!!

Where's the evidence??

Gabrielshow24:
Even the blind can see, that the difference between then and now is the presence of sophisticated instruments!!!

There is nothing but that.
Since you posited about this.
I can't help but to say the same thing to you!!!

Until when you idiots build instruments to disprove God, you will do so well to keep quiet until then!!!

While at it we would also build instruments to disprove dragons, zeus, allah and spiderman. How can someone be this unintentionally daft.

Gabrielshow24:
Singing is not only limited to pixies.
It's found in nature🤔.

Pixies by the way are mythical creatures that love to "dance" to the tune of frogs and crickets.
Although some cultures have differing portrayals of them, none so far recorded whether or not they could fart.

But since the question is regards origination!
We will look for the oldest occurrence of such(singing) until then "it's innocent until proven guilty"!!!

Also, Angels are also known to be "singing" although no empirical proof as at now🤨 but it's documented in scripture!

And the oldest physical occurrence will most likely be found in early ancestors of birds or as an absolute form in the underlying "creator" that supposedly made them!!!

Dude no offense but you're daft🤣🤣🤣 Jesus you went ahead. Where's the proof pixies even exist?? wtf!

Gabrielshow24:
If it's a baseless claim, then do so well to counter with facts!!!

So far you have provided none!!!
As a best bet, you are relying on the fallacy of hypocrisy 🤣🤣🤣!!!

Is this the wisdom of atheists? 🤨

Fallacy of hypocrisy😂 i remember you now, you're the dude who uses words he barely understands their meaning, been wondering. Why not, when you won't read. Anyways for the last time since common sense isnt common let me beat it over your head. You don't prove a negative 😂 , common sense 101, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, common sense 202 and lastly that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence, common sense 303, all beautiful razors. If not you can try your smart hands on my pixie claim. You won't?! Thought as much. Nice job skipping questions btw, can't imagine answering them helps out.

Gabrielshow24:
Here, Einstein.
How then did they observe the black hole?
What do they have now that they didn't have before to observe the black hole?
🤔

You have a search engine right or reading frightens you, no surprise there. When you don't read, simple questions like i asked above can't be answered. Even 1. Where's the reputable source for the claim you made that science makes about the world coming out of nothing. Besides is this how you wanted to school me?!😆

Gabrielshow24:
You and this your fallacy of hypocrisy 🤣🤣.
It won't help you!

Provide proof!!!

I'm pointing out the stupidity but that's flying over your head, seems the razor i quoted flew over your head too. Smart guy.

Gabrielshow24:
^{I don't need to read the book, I can tell you for sure that his posits will fall short!!!}

It won't fit all
When that happens what evidence again will you allude to🤔

Will you wait until you have the "proper frameworks" to continue!!!

You didn't dismiss it, you just made your sentimental posits.

You would have done so well if you had brought "scientific approved" laws for the diversification of languages🤔but you didn't.

Hence kindly tell us what is right?
What's the scientifically accepted theory to explain this?

And is the above implausible?

The bolded just describes theists in a nutshell😄 Confident and ignorant throwing baseless claims around. Its the same with bible, they won't even read the book and its context, yet claim their lives depend on it. It's why a grown adult in this info age, still says Moses wrote the torah. Dude never change.

Gabrielshow24:
Your words not mine🤣🤣🤣

And if you had you would have provided concrete proof for "singularity" 🤔

But you argue that we don't have the present framework to determine singularities 🤔 how hypocritical is that, you don't have yet you believe.

Can't an apologetic say the same?
Or what framework do you have to prove God?

The only things present are hints — causation and effect, intelligent design etc

Maybe when you have the proper frameworks to disprove God you can talk until then you will do so well to remain quiet!!!

Not only can you not read you can't comprehend either😂 quote where i said the bolded.

Gabrielshow24:
I don't understand these guys,
One is saying something is wrong without bringing out what is factually right🤔 while the other thinks cavemen travelled to the moon? 🤕

Can you prove to me singing didn't begin from the farts of tiny female pixies??

Gabrielshow24:
You said our claim is not factual.

Now bring out your own supposed factual proposition!!!

Now you are calling me a fool for asking? 🤨

You dismissed something as wrong, now show us what's right🤔.

If you don't have then you will do so well as to educate yourself!

Extra ordinary claims asserted without evidence can be just as easily dismissed without evidence. It's common sense. But still i recommended you a book, its words on pages, it doesn't bite, read it and educate urself. Quite simple really.

Gabrielshow24:
Show me the evidence you have? 🤨

And let's see whether it's a baseless claim indeed.

After all it's innocent until proven guilty!!!

Do you guys think at all. I should provide evidence to counter a claim you made that has not even been demonstrated to be factual. Think nau.

Gabrielshow24:
It doesn't matter, singularity isn't concrete yet you don't have issue with that.

Have you not thought how it's possible to conceptualize all this(mathematically) even without concrete evidence, doesn't it tell you that natural things obey some form of laws!!!

You have problem with God, but with singularity you don't have a problem 🤨 while both are not concrete!!!

Some scientists don't even believe in singularities looking for better ways to explain the origination of the universe 👀!

As for question 1 - 2, the same source that made you know that the singularity is not concrete answers that!

As for question 3: the singularity suggests that!!!
Simple reasoning should make you ask what predated matter, time and space?

Then maybe you will have your answer!!!
Can't you see?
The same way, I can make the same claim for God!!!

You don't have the scientific frameworks as at now to prove the existence of God but you have present hints that lead to him!!!!

In other words i dont have the answers i just make baseless claims and beat around the bush to avoid providing evidence for my claims and assertions. 😂

[quote author=Gabrielshow24 post=134566841]Why not answer the intent basis for building an house? 🤨

Instead of rigmaroling, the people of nairaland will like to know why men build houses, cities and towers? 😂😂😂[/quote

"They didn't want to leave their comfort zones".

"sooner or later it will be their comfort zone!!!"

So it wasn't thier comfort zone at the time, which is it😁?!

Gabrielshow24:
It's a biblical claim🤨

Do you have a better theory?

So a baseless claim without evidence and what evidence we have contradicts it. Na wa. Educate urself with the source i already gave you and let ignorance die.

Gabrielshow24:
Properly, I didn't phrase it well.
I meant the origination of distinct languages.
They are just posits!!!

Although there are experiments done by scientists that aim to show how words(language) change over time!!!

The fact still remains, how did this much variant come to be?

Also, I am using the scenario of children picking up on only languages they are exposed to as a counter proposition!!!

Hence the children of ammon will pick up solely on the language of their Father ammon!!!

Hence how then did the ammonite tongue come into existence?

Am not saying it's not plausible that some modified theirs based on some yardstick or the aspect of language that allows it to be formulated? 🤨

What am saying is that God gave them diverse tongues and from them other variants came into existence based on speech defects, pronunciation, assimilation etc

So far you haven't proved me wrong!!!
Science follows patterns and from this patterns we make laws or draw correlations!

So far there is no single evidence to suggest children gain language skill they are not exposed to😂😂😂.

If you have kindly provide!!!

And there is evidence it started from the tower of babel?! wtf!

Gabrielshow24:
Our God didn't come out of nothing!
He brought all things out of nothing!!!

Why not enlighten yourself whether indeed "singularity" is concrete? 🤨

Maybe then you will understand better.

1. Where's the reputable source for the science claim?
2. So where did your particular god come from?
3. So something can come out of nothing?! 😁 Thought science made that claim.
4. The singularity being concrete or not doesn't prove your god. Singularity might not be concrete but the equations and framework that describe it are. Even though they're not observable and usually hidden away behind event horizons its only a matter of time similar to black holes. 20 yrs ago, no one had observed a black hole save for its framework, today 😉.... Same can't be said for your god.

Gabrielshow24:
Well, that's one way to look at it.
Irrespective, when they were building the intention for this was to dwell there!!!

Hence sooner or later it will be their comfort zone!!!

Why God acted preemptively was not fully exemplified but we know that a possible reason was to spread them across the surface of the earth!

You can disprove me by showing me a monument or city that people built but didn't intend to use!!!

Or do you build an house and not stay there in?
Or a tower without the intent of striving there?

So it wasnt their comfort zone at the time, which is it?! 😁 In other words like i already stated, you don't like what it states in verse 5, so you jinn up a new scenario😂 Thank you.

Gabrielshow24:
It's a nice way to see it.
But you failed to see the essence of the narration, it was to list out the genealogy of Noah's children hence anything that happened in between was not relevant to the listing(enumeration)!!!

Or will you add additional stories when you are exemplifying a tree like listing?

Hence the major reason, he gave the cause of the division of languages in the next chapter and he even further elucidated the families once more!!

Hence we don't know for sure on whose heads the splitting started from!!!

But one thing we do know is the result - the nations.

Also there has never been scientific evidence of children speaking language which they are not exposed to.

Hence they must have spoken the same language from the start!!!

Stop with this your agenda.
Be honest for once!!!

If you can bring out evidence of where a child spoke Chinese when he/she wasn't exposed to it at all!!!

Or when you were growing up did you suddenly start speaking English?
Didn't you get acquainted with it?

Hence science at best can only explain accents(slight variations) not diversity of languages!!!

So in other words I got nothing so i just jinned up a scenario to reconcile the contradictions while renegotiating the texts. Perfectly normal for you guys. What does children speaking languages they haven't been exposed to have to do with anything, are u serious 🤣 Jesu, science can only explain accents and can't explain the diversity. Wow. Ignorant as Bleep, do you read?!. Anyways the best cure for ignorance is education. You need to educate yourself. Damn! The Power of Babel: A Natural History of Language – John McWhorter. Start with that to educate ursellf abeg. wtf!

Gabrielshow24:
I will like to know his scientific proof for the non-existence of God!!!

It seems to be just sentiments 🤔.
He is looking for concrete proof, when even Science seems to suggest that the universe came from nothing - singularity.

No matter how they try when it comes to the origin of the universe, the God factor always rears its head.

I will like to see his posits on this matter.

I would also like to see scientific evidence for humbaba and the seven tailed flying monkey with dragon breath😊.
Please show me where science claims the world "came from nothing". Just one reputable source. Meanwhile your bible claims your god came out of nothing and created everything out of nothing. Isn't that just brilliant. Also which god sef cause like legion, they're many.

StillDtruth:
See mad devil on colos. The thread shows that you have been countered but all you have done is to abuse and insalt everyone who opposed you like mad people in the market. Clearly dem Curse you with Madness.

You and your obsession with madness, it clearly runs in your family. Its your kids i pity, hopefully you don't pass the genes onto them, funny thing is even if they escape the madness gene, can they be lucky to escape your foolishness gene. Hopefully they are lucky twice, it's possible.

Gabrielshow24:
Gen1:28 suggests that God wanted them to fill the Earth.
A process that will be somewhat difficult given the fact they just made a city for themselves and were in the works of making a tower.

Also, I don't see someone coming from a "far place" building a house, then suddenly wants to leave🤨.

What then was the purpose of the city?
If it were to be you, would you prefer to dwell in the city or continue roaming about? 🤧

You seriously went to cite creation story as evidence when the babel story is there. Silly anachronism, cite referrals to the tower of babel story pls. If you had a clue it would have been even better to cite the "populate the earth" command to Noah, as Babel happened after the flood.😄 Verse 4 never said they had built the city, they were building, clearly in the process of doing both. How can people who just migrated be in their comfort zone, when they've not even set up @ their new location 😁. Negotiation upon renegotiation. Besides since when is a small part of mesopotamia the whole world, cause gen 10 lists where they spread to.

Gabrielshow24:
You seem not to pay attention, you just want to frolic in your ignorance!!!

Moses was exemplifying the nations that came out from Shem, Ham and Japheth!!!

The next chapter explained the cause of division!

You sure you read Gen 10 😁. You seen how it's structured . Clearly everyone did not disperse from Shinar just the Nimrod crew as stated in 8, it shows where everyone dispersed from and they had languages already. It would have clearly told us everyone dispersed from Shinar where the tower was . Any other way to reconcile what's an obvious contradiction and any text to demonstrate that

Gabrielshow24:
To answer your rebuttal, the reason they decided to make a city is to dwell there!!!

You don't make a city and then migrate elsewhere 🤨!!!

Is this a joke😄 People who were just migrated and got somehwere to build shelter didnt want to leave their comfort zone. Even you deep down you know you're saying nonsense. Besides where's the text that shows this as the reason and that god wanted to spread them in the story different from what's in verse 5.

geoworldedu:
So you can use boat over the ocean

Pls explain how those people used boat to migrate from Babel to Nigeria abeg. That's all I asked. Using boat over the ocean in the early men ages is a suicide mission o. Omoh

Dude would manufacture explanations 😂. Not forgetting this was after the flood, so the people were few and the only way to repopulate was through incest. They claim everyone came from incest. This is not even considering different languages already existed in Gen 10.