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Zooposki:
Since you already came to your conclusion that parthenogenesis is hogwash, and on top of that conclusion insultive, there is no further need to reply and educate you further. Those that want to find out the truth will do their research. I already planted the seed. They should water that knowledge.

Nature and Evolution also says the only non essential chromosome in the body is the Y(Male) chromosome, which has also being proven scientifically. Should I still fight and insult the same Nature?

Unfortunately facts don't care about feelings. Its why you had no rebuttal to the stated facts, tried to misinterpret it and had to go on a tangent. And sadly the only seeds planted are seeds showcasing you don't really know what you're saying, the second paragraph of my prev comment demonstrates exactly that. I'd suggest you forgo 'planting seeds' and driving agendas and instead educate urself better, u'd cut out the flawed thought processes that way. Come back to these your comments after that and even you would have a laugh. Enjoy your evening.

Zooposki:
At least we both agree a man can never create/birth a woman.

Parthenogenesis (/ˌpɑːrθɪnoʊˈdʒɛnɪsɪs, -θɪnə-/; from the Greek παρθένος, parthénos, 'virgin' + γένεσις, génesis, 'creation') is a natural form of asexual reproduction in which the embryo develops directly from an egg without the need for fertilization. In animals, parthenogenesis means development of an embryo from an unfertilized egg cell.

Like i said the Krueger effect comes to mind and you somehow doing some half baked googling to come up with Parthenogenesis to prove a virgin birth in a human is plausible is laughably ignorant cause parthogenesis is virtually impossible in mammals talk less humans due to certain genetic and biological complexities, like i said basically no clue. Its always ludicrous when people come to a conclusion then look for data to validate that conclusion instead of letting the data lead one to a conclusion.

A platypus has got a beak and webbed feet and lays eggs but is a mammal, humans are mammals and have feet ergo they can lay eggs thereby proving the greek myth of the Orphics plausible. See how clueless the thought process is?! A salamanda has shared genetic heritage and similar gene expression as humans, salamandas can regrow lost limbs ergo humans can as well thereby it validates the myth of Hydra. A similar funny thought process which makes absolutely no sense.

This is not even considering that the myth about the virgin birth of Jesus, like others in the bible adapted older existing myths like the virgin birth of Dyonisus. With the narratives written decades after by anonymous people who weren't even witnesses in the first place. So like i said no clue and you just went to further establish that. Same way a man can't birth a woman is the same way a virgin birth is impossible, nevertheless the less cause a myth said so.

SIRTee15:
Very good U did some research. Now U are transiting from just being a beer parlour atheist based on gossips and gists rather than real factual evidence.

Now James the brother of Jesus was killed by the Sanhedrin. The open minded Jews didn't like it and petitioned the Roman procurate to have those who killed him be punished.
This is because James was well loved by the people- jews or Christians, he often preach in the synagogue and temple.
James was killed around 62 AD, 30 yrs after lifetime of Jesus. Most Jews who loved James and whom he preached to were very much alive during Jesus ministry.

Now if the Jews knew Jesus as a common rabbi, Do U think they will tolerate people like James going about making legendary statements about him.
Won't they call him out for lying?
Would he have such significant following and command respect among the Jews if he's known for fabricating stories about a former rabbi?
Why would they fight their own Jewish leaders for killing James if he was known as a liar and gospel fabricator. I bet they would be glad the blasphemer had been dealt with.

Think my friend, think.

There's a reason no reputable bible scholar has come out to condemned the gospel as work of fiction.
Evidence we keep discovering goes against such narrative.

😅 Wait o! Is the bolded a joke or just typical brazen ignorance.

Zooposki:
Oya na, bring your own theory on how Adam produced Eve. I would have really gone into the scientific details, but don’t feel like.

Wow! It would be extremely dumb of me to prove what is obviously mythology with science, like how does that even make any sense in the first place. Not even an original myth, a polemic adapted from older myths thousands of years before it. If anything science contradicts virtually all of it, cause non of it happened, No Adam, No Eve. Its all faith based claims which can and never will be demonstrated. To then go into 'scientific details' to prove that, just shows you don't know what you or the science is saying.

imustsaymymindo:
I just pity people who had their childhood growing up in such a church. They have been nurtured in fear.

I rather be with one of those strange women than be with someone who has been nurtured in extreme fear.

Because someone who lived in such fear is as dangerous as the strange woman. One day, she would see you as the Devil maybe from one of the preachings of the G.O., and kill you by fire, first - spiritually/mentally, and eventually physically. I won't be surprised to find many of the violent women in Naija are products of this church.

Aptly put. That's the main weapon of these religions, Fear. It's a cycle of negative energy.

Zooposki:
lol. Are you referring to me or the other poster?

Sadly you, sorry. There's just so much wrong with your comment.

Zooposki:
How did the Virgin Mary reproduce Jesus? How does a man carry the baby? What do you get from your cells splitting? A female can reproduce via parthenogenesis. The sperm is in the bone marrow of a woman and other places.

Also the female is not weaker. She has a more superior immune system than her male counterpart because nature prioritizes her over the man.

😄 One of the beauties of the internet is seeing people who've got no clue what they talking about spout factoids confidently. Dunning Krueger effect comes to mind, case in point 😄👆🏽

johnstin:
You have said it all.
The marine agents are very happy we still have a lot of ignorant people on earth, so they always have victims.
The ones waxing confident now will become sober after the marine agents have dealt with them.

Schizophrenia has made this one delusional. How about aquatic and aeronautic agents, abi those ones dont exist in your myopic delusion 😄

daniwise:
Oh,your moniker says it all.

Yes i don't subscribe to unverifiable superstitious nonsense. Now take a hike same way you came.

THis myopic daft charlatan spewing unverifiable superstitious nonsense as usual. Reason why i say education doesn't mean you have sense, too many eduacted daft people everywhere like this retarded hypocritical charlartan.

JovialJune:
Smh, men are cheap, tasteless, and classless sha

With your father and husband leading the pack just ahead of your brother and son. Yes indeed.

Truvelisback:
His own is outrageous because he made it look he has a beef with them.

Understandable but that was the m.o of certain prophets through out the bible, even Jesus did some calling out as well. Justin Peters does it as well calling out the likes of Copeland, Dollar & Hinn. So there's always been a dissenting voice.

lol! As if the 'body of christ' has ever been united right from inception.

binary01:
lol i love watching different denominations of Christians beef themselves, its like a different form of racism and tribalism but way more stupid . at the end all these shiit is just man made ideas with no value other than the value the foolish people who practice it gives to it.

Way too stupid and they claim to be the one true way yet can't seem to come to conclusion of what this 'truth' is, like truth is suddenly subjective. Show me 2 Christians who wholistically agree on the interpretation of their so called truth - the bible - and you'd have shown me a miracle. Same acclaimed 'spirit of god' speaking to all of em who is not an author of confusion btw. Proper circus.

Both the Allah and Yhwh are seemingly confused entities who can't seem to know left from right but are somehow omniscient. Funny part is their deluded minions at each other's throat fighting for which delusion is less deluded.

🤣 Confused religion.

A basic foundation of your faith, yet you guys can't even seem to agree, still we are to blindly believe this mess as "the only way" and "truth". Confused religion 🤡

If we were to follow the bible which you guys selectively apply and renegotiate, they should all be stoned to death🤣. The bible particularly loves stoning.

All these AI regurgitated crap.

jaephoenix:
I knw most of this data. But where is your source
You also forgot MadMax's crew, the JWs. They have a new-fangled version of the babble.?
A right old mess

No need to even go into JWs, makes the whole mess even messier when you get into translations and translation problems. For the sources, I've noticed anytime i give sources in detail on here i get banned, don't know why, so ill just give an overview. You can check out Bart Ehrman's 'new testament, a historical intro...', or Michael Coogans 'Intro to the old testament' for a deep dive. For skimming, you could find Bart addressing the topic on his blog or podcast or you can check out John Meier's journal on the topic. Also i think Dan MCclellan has addressed it on his youtube channel as well.

sonmvayina:
You are not worth my time...

Run along now
You little retard..

🤣🤣🤣 Always the coward, got nothing so looking for an excuse to chicken out. Scared of embarassing yourself a second time🤣 at least every one can see you're an empty vessel, all cap no substance. Typical of a myopic close minded fvck, spouting baseless dross everywhere. Go sit in a corner empty oaf.

Being on front page has nothing to do with it, when xtainity is a parody of itself and basically a clown show. Leave symptoms and deal with the root cause, not like that would change anything but still.

jaephoenix:
Oga you said science cannot prove your god. All these axiom bullshit is irrelevant
I have told you my God. His name is Flying Spaghetti Monster
Do you have any problem with Him?

This dude barely understands what he himself is talking about. Just dressed the typical nonsense god of the gaps argument by theists in gibberish and coated it with axioms forgetting axioms are self evident in the first place. Just making noise using words he barely understands under contexts that don't apply. Very funny.

Gabrielshow24:
🤦An obvious flaw in your thinking.
Humans by the way of characteristics of movement.
And most are anthropomorphic.

You have in no way negated the premise. Maybe you can do better and exploit the flaw but until then you haven't done anything!

🤣 Da fuq is this. Wait o, do you even understand the words you use at all.

Gabrielshow24:
Atleast this is some sensible write up which I will tackle as regards the divinity of Jesus!

'Tackle' Lol! you don't tackle facts. You only perform mental gymnastics on em which would not make sense to start with. Humor me though, please tackle.

jaephoenix:
So where is the source of the canons? And who compiled the bible

Great question. First off, for little context which I'm sure you'd know, there is no 'The Bible' cause different denominations have different canons and books comprising their canons, Hebrew bible 24, Catholic 73, Protestant 66, Orthodox 79, also i think the ethiopian orthodox church has 81(not sure). So its not quite straightforward, then you have, say the general christain bible which splits into 2 with the formation of the old testament canon influenced and sourced from the tanakh which went through its own canonization process and was well established before the new testament canon.

Then you talk about the new testament canon sourced from the gospels, apostolic writings and letters, church traditions etc which underwent canonization after. All these to say it was a gradual, nuanced and very complicated process that spanned centuries basically, different people at different points in time contributed to its formation and it wasn't just simple and instaneous by a few persons. There's even a lot more context and nuance missing from my comment to show the complexity. If you'd like to explore the topic deeply i could recommend reputable sources that would do it justice.

sonmvayina:
I can provide evidence for all I have stated there..

Everyone of them...

Ah yes evidence and 'reputable' sources like Kenneth Humphreys lol! or when you somehow managed to quote a reputable source, its one that contradicts your claim(this is still funny). Humor me please, provide these evidence and sources so we can take you seriously for once, you could start with the ignorant statement you and your fellow theist dispute. "Ezra wrote the Torah" or as the other ignoramus said he recompiled it. Wouldn't bother with the Jesus thing yet cause i already schooled you on that, that you suddenly had selective amnesia. Anyways close mindedness has a way, so shoot, educate me on Ezra wrote the Torah.

Gabrielshow24:
Even if you manage to dismiss the gospel books you can't dismiss numerous historical accounts that support the existence of Jesus.

Also The Gospel books literature is one that doesn't require self identification.
the entire theme or plot is about God not some historical credence to the writer of the book! And it's one where the source or authenticity of it is already valid or recognized
within the christian world!

No one is disputing the existence of the historical Jesus except people that absolutely don't know what they're talking about like Somavinya, its basically a consensus as of 80 years ago. What they do dismiss is the mythological elements added to his life which non other of these "numerous historical accounts" (basically cap cause they're literally few) depict, save for the gospels which irreconcilably contradict each other and are explicably historically inaccurate considering the context and timeline of events and thats fact save for apologetic mental gymanastics.

Like the so called census and Herod, when in reality the census occured 10 years after his death. The only things known about the life Jesus are that he was baptized and crucified like a common criminal. The rest is typical mythological unverifiable cap, which if any of all these other worldy events took place(like the zombies in Matthew), the external non theological sources would not fail to mention such once in a lifetime event.

Even most early Christian beliefs did not take to Jesus being divine, as his divinity evolved over time needing the Nicean council to solidify it centuries later. So basicaly cap without any single proof, there's a reason the authenticity is only valid among close minded apologists.

sonmvayina:
The gospel are written in the third person and the anonymous writers does not know anybody in the story they are telling. They did not say they believe the story....Hallmark of a fiction.
Tacitus was talking about chrestians ie about a cult of isis and serapis (well which later metamorphosed to Mary and Jesus.) The cult was predominantly Greek as it was created by Ptolemy 1 soter.As for Josephus, everybody knows it is a forgery by Eusebius who was the first to quote from it. So all your sources fall flat.
Justin was writing a response to the Romans who saw the religion as being riddled with lies and ritual. He told them that Jesus is not different from the sons of Jupiter... Hercules and co.

Really, which book predates Nicea? You need to do a research on the church fathers and forgery. They where like table and tennis.

Remember the books where copied by hands. When a certain German invented the printing press, cardinal Worsley (he was mediator between Rome and London during the reformation era ) is on record to have said "if we don't destroy this invention now, this invention will one day destroy us"...you know what that means.
A certain pope (I think pius x ) was heard on an Easter dinner to say "This myth of Christ has been beneficial to us and our predicessors...

Always talking cap without any reputable source or evidence 🤦🏽. Typical of theists as evidenced from this thread.

jaephoenix:
Those gospel books were from Dead Sea Scrolls which are anonymous. They were compiled by Nicean Council under Constantine

This is wrong chief. The dead sea scrolls don't contain any of the canonical gospels, its mainly just the hebrew bible with apocryphal works. Secondly, the gospels were not compiled or even discussed in the Nicean council, a common mistake most people make, they mainly adressed theological stuff like the Arian contoversy and establishment of the divinity of Jesus.

jaephoenix:
My own Unicorn does wonders too. He saved me when I accidentally dived from a plane. He put my head back on my shoulder when some crazy Christian decapitated me, and my decapitated head was shouting 'Save me oh Unicorn'. He also miraculously made my 2 year old son a consultant cardiologist without med school or residency.
What a wonderful Unicorn

Dude wtf🤣

Gabrielshow24:
So far with what have seen your goalpost has changed from God to bible to historical validity of the bible or arguments that you can use to dismiss the bible and as result dismiss God.

But even that is fallacious.
Committing ad hominems here and there attacking the person of God in the form of the book, his word.

But with what; your own logical premise where you take your intellect👀 as the ultimate source of authority thereby leading to circular reasoning.

You whole lot just keep committing these flaws! 🤧

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