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Truthseeker10:
I wonder why Atheist are worried about Religion and their effects. Isn't that delusional?

Isn't it absolutely delusional to pass fiction and mythology as facts especially when no lick of evidence?😁

StillDtruth:
It is no fiction that people are terrified when they are dying especially atheists and evil people.

Let a tyre burst and see how an atheist dies temporarily.

2 has more of a chance of being a prime number before anything remotely sensible comes from you.

geoworldedu:
There has been an occasion recorded in the scripture of God's panic. This was clearly highlighted in Genesis 11.

HOW IT ALL STARTED

The people of the world came together in unity to construct a building whose top could get to the heaven.

THE FOOLISHNESS OF THESE PEOPLE

These people saw the cloud as if it was a place just within their reach, without aeroplanes, jets or rockets. They decided to make a building that will get into the cloud which they assumed to be HEAVEN.

According to Genesis 11:4

Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.”

THE FOOLISHNESS OF GOD
The same way humans saw the distance between the earth and the cloud is how God also saw it. He felt that humans will achieve making a building that will get to his heaven. Therefore Genesis 11:5 to 7 came about.

The same way humans saw the distance between the earth and the cloud is how God also saw it. He felt that humans will achieve making a building that will get to his heaven. Therefore Genesis 11:5 to 7 came about.

Genesis 11: 5 - 7

Verse 5:
"And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded."
Verse 6:
"And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do."
Verse 7:
"Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech."

GOD PANICKED

God became restless when the people began to build the tower. He felt that they will achieve their goals of building a skyscraper that will shoot above the cloud and then he would be exposed. Then he had to confuse their language.

Wow, these sounds amusing. The world then had several languages, but right now humans have languages that billions of people can speak. So if they want to achieve that feat right now, they can. They have even achieved a bigger feat which has surpassed reaching the height of the sky. Rockets have flown above the supposed abode of God but saw nothing like God.

WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED?

God could have relocated his heaven somewhere else when he discovered that humans will become wiser and achieve the feat of reaching a higher height anytime soon. Now he has shifted his location to somewhere nobody can see. What if we try to find out where God's new location is? Will he panic again and relocate?

IS GOD A COWARD?

If God will keep changing location because of men, can we simply conclude that he is a coward running from being sighted by men. Or could we say he is ignorant of his own immense power? If humans can only see within the visible light ray, can't God make himself and his angels infraredic or x-rayish in nature so we can't see him or interfere with him instead of running helter skelter away from men, or is there something God is hiding away from men?

What is your conclusion?

Some will say the foolishness of God is greater than the wisdom of men. Should we conclude that same way as Paul concluded because of how foolish he saw God's actions? Or should we ignore Paul and do our own findings?

What is your say?

It goes to show how ignorant the writers(through no faut of theirs) of the bible were and it wasn't inspired by any divine deity cause severally the writers make a supposed tri omni deity look limited and stupid especially with the anthropomorphic features. Anyways the story is an etiological story to explain different languages and during the exile an abandoned ziggurat that was most likely spotted by the exiles was then inculcated into the etiology and also as a way to make fun of their captors.

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂 Meta Ai

Why am i not surprised you're indeed on crack.

Truthseeker10:
What about people who are not religious or are atheist but want to push their personal opinion of what is good and evil to others, don't you think that they are delusional too?

Pls what type of crack are you on😅

The discussion below sparked some curiosity in me and brought back some Pascal’s Wager-like thoughts. So here you have two believers in the same god called YHWH, but still can’t seemingly agree except for just one thing—that the other is going to hell😅. It’s quite hilarious because God claims not to be an author of confusion, yet somehow no two Christians agree on the same interpretation of the objective truth manual (Bible) from cover to cover. Which, by the way, ought to serve as a guide to reaching this elusive heaven.

Anyway, you have Muslims and others in a different corner saying they’re both going to hell, adding to the conundrum. So I thought—what are the chances of either of them making it to heaven?

Well, the chances are amazing, and that’s me being obviously facetious. Throughout human history, humans have worshiped between 30,000 – 40,000 gods. That estimate was sourced from the classic work of anthropology by James Frazer, The Golden Bough. Of course, some of these gods belonged to the same pantheon—like YHWH belonging to the Canaanite pantheon—and their worshipers were sometimes polytheistic/henotheistic. So we’ll go with a lesser figure that cuts that out, as well as extinct religions, say 10,000. That’s a fair figure, as it corresponds with estimates of the current number of religions, so fair.

Moving on—you have a 1 in 10,000 chance of picking the right religion, dependent on your location, the religion you were indoctrinated with, or lastly, one of the more common religions practiced in your area. They can’t all be true, they certainly could all be false, or one is true. The chances of picking the one that is true?! 0.0001% Ouch!

Second context—denominations. They’re lucky they picked the right god due to the factors earlier stated, but did they pick the right denomination with the right interpretation?

There are about 45,000 denominations of Christianity, not factoring in lost Christianities that were phased out and killed off by other denominations for being heretical according to subjective interpretation. Also not factored in is the fact that Christianity evolved, and what you have today is in no way similar to when it started out or even a hundred years later. But we’ll go with the 45,000. So that’s a 1 in 45,000 chance, which is basically 0.00002% of picking the right denomination.

In essence, their chances are 1 in 10,000 multiplied by 1 in 45,000, which gives an infinitesimal 0.000000000222%.

That’s even worse than a 1 in 13.5 billion chance, showing how unlikely it is. You are more likely to get attacked by a polar bear in the Sahara than to enter heaven, which shows how ludicrous it is 😅.

So calm down, bros—if the fictional hell were real, you’d both definitely be going there. Luckily, mythology and fiction are just that—myth and fiction. With those chances, only 17 out of 8 billion people would get into the fiction called heaven, and that’s not even taking into account that they all don’t agree.

There’s a reason there’s zero evidence for the fiction and it relies on “just believe.”

Gabrielshow24:
Auto correct changed reminder to remainder🤔
But you think you have won some kind of trophy 😅 — after all my reputation precedes me so I know how it must feel🙃

I hate to put it to you but go educate yourself about what befell y'all 😅😅.

The spirit wey dey push you, go make you learn by force🙃.

You are begging for it and very soon I will serve you🧐!!!

🥱 🤫 🤡

Gabrielshow24:
I won't do your work for you.

😂😂😂
You should ask your fellow atheists, it was around December uptill the new year😂😂😂

You can ask Jaephoenix maybe he can remember the thread title🙃.

Good luck in your fleeting endeavors 😂😂😂!!!
But I have done so well as to warn you, what will become of you🙃 next time we tangle!!!

It does seem you want it!!! 🤨
Definitely one of these days, I will give it to you😉!!!

Ah yes! i hear your many excuses quite loud and clear.
The time taken to type gibberish and... what's the word again?! ...remaind me,🤣 could have been used to simply link it. A coward and its excuses. 🤡

Gabrielshow24:
Go and look for it.
" Ran away"👀

God forbid, I didn't run away from intellectual debates wth professors it will now be you 😂😂😂.

When you are ready let me know, if it's needed I school you and your folks again🙃, I don't mind😊

Oga link thread you're talking plenty. All these empty containers sef🤣. Linking it would "remaind" me, don't you think 😉

Gabrielshow24:
Answer the question I posed to you!
Better still use meta Ai🤧
Just copy and paste!!!
It should give you what I am alluding to, it seems of your own Accord you can't figure it out 🙃

Mr Remainder 🤣 You ran away again. where's the link of you "destroying" me. Abi the thread vanished😅

DaddyCoool:
See him, trying to obfuscate with minutiae😁
Genius the point in a forum like NL is to get your point accross NOT perfect grammar - because typing is time-consuming!!! Why should I type "a typical NL low IQ type/person" when I can stop at "low IQ" and still convey same meaning??

🥱

DaddyCoool:
So you see, you have no sense of INTELLECTUAL debate or discussion because you're a typical NL low IQ - all you know are assertion and evidence!
If someone asked if a blue elephant would be visible in blue light, your response would be "there are no blue elephants! What EVIDENCE supports your ASSERTION there are blue elephants, etc" STUPID!

🥱

You used your high IQ to type this vocab, abi its still autocorrect that corrupted your vocab too🤣

Gabrielshow24:
"ran away" 👀
I had better things to do at that moment.

I'm sure you remembered the God-debate all through the New Year.

You can go check it out!
And to the gentleman that jumped in without proper footing, I don't take this as an achievement. It's you rather that is projecting your mindset to me!

God forbid I should hold as a trophy the fact that I schooled atheists
If you have any thing of importance to contribute to the thread, kindly do so.

Yes yes, I'm sure you did. Like i said i honestly don't even know who you are, much less remainder, maybe you could remaind me by linking the thread you destroyed me😃

DaddyCoool:
Another IDIOTIC response. How is the original question settled? Where and when did you accept my answer that "since God is good there has to counterbalancing evil to produce good/evil, just as you have north/south, up/down, etc!"?? If you accepted the answer you'd have said so and matlybe elaborated on it - instead all you've been doing is screaming assertion and evidence and asking me which of 4 million gods!

As a grade A specialist in idiotic responses, its no suprise every response looks to you like what you regurgitate steadily from your mouth 🤣. As for your selective amnesia, up your brain cells for more memory storage, as far as i know, you've been told.😌

NasirIbnLaAhad:
These guys love overcompensating for their lack of substance. See the way he's bragging about his online achievements to you. I'm pretty sure whatever thread he's referencing was him actually getting destroyed and cremated, while being all too blind to observe his unfortunate reality.

It's so funny man. I'd really love to see the thread myself. Dude quoted me out of the blue, gbagaund and ran away saying he doesn't have my time. They love portraying their delusions as objective reality.

DaddyCoool:
You know, I honestly can't believe someone can be this DUMB and still able to write.
WHAT IN THE HECK ARE YOU YAPPING ABOUT?!
Did you at all read the topic of the thread?? It is a purely intellectual discussion dummy! It is NOT about which of a million gods or whether God exists. The question of the thread is predicated on certain base assumptions. Our discussion is NOT whether those assumptions are correct. Our job is to answer the question based on the assumptions, NOT to determine whether the assumptions are correct or not!
I can't believe I'm having to explain this to you, dummy!

So as expected nothing just empty and dense as usual. I forgot you're working with 2 brain cells if not you'd have remembered "you've been told" 😏 not once, not twice before you started foaming at the mouth, that the case is settled with respect to the original topic before i asked a futher question due to your mouth foaming. Anyways as a poster boy for the obtuse thanks for demonstrating that you're clearly talking unverifiable baseless nonsense out your ass. Na really intellectual discussion 🤡

DaddyCoool:
See my post above. Also you've been told.we have no way of knowing if anything is ultimately bad AND that the universe was based on certain laws and that God can't be constantly stepping in to break his own laws to prevent something "bad".
Your job is to counter those arguments NOT keep screaming "assertion" and "evidence" like a slowpoke!

Dude is triggered 🤣 Calm down and stop expending energy foaming at the mouth, save it to be used by your last 2 brain cells, cause natural selection ain't going to be kind to someone as dense as you.

Now since you're obviously too dense to connect the dots of why i mentioned assertions let me educate you like you're 5, cause that much is obvious. "An assertion is a declaration that's made emphatically, especially as part of an argument or as if it's to be understood as a statement of fact".  " A declaration that is made emphatically (as if no supporting evidence were necessary)".

Now who makes baseless assertions in an argument passing it off as factual without providing the necessary supporting evidence for said assertions, only to then support it with more baseless claims and expects everyone to just swallow it hook, line and sinker. Obviously someone indoctrinated out of basic common sense. Or you think this is your church where 2 or 3 christards are gathered and the christard in chief spouts uneducated dross and they just take it without questioning cause he's in authority.

Nah! this is objective reality where the phrase diomnibus dubitandum is applied consistently by anyone with more than 2 working braincells which sadly doesn't apply to you😅. The effrontery to then mention logic alongside these baseless turd claims is only possible by someone who's as dense if not denser than gold.

You already clearly demonstrated your god as the source of evil, so why go rabid, i accepted your demonstration. Funny thing is i even asked a follow up which just shows your claims are nothing but from your delusions but you conveniently skipped it, cause even you know you're just spouting baseless dross which is why evidence frightens you like a lost stray cat.

Anyways I'd post it again, now you're about to go full rabid, Mr "You have been told" 😅🤡.

"By the way, which of the gods are you laying claim to as the one who created everything, cause there are over 10,000 of em laying same claims and how do we know your particular god orchestrated things exactly as you're saying"

Thanks for coming to my TED talk, Mr you have been told.😁

DaddyCoool:
Exactly as I said: you have no arguments. All you know are two words: assertion and evidence!

Id just copy paste my prev comment to help your amnesia.

"Lol! You keep mentioning think and ability to think but so far contradict yourself and have shown your own ability to think is just as bad as your abilty to spell which seemingly doesn't "occurre" to you. Quite ironically "ballanced"😅. At least with the bolded you had it in you to admit your god is the source of all things bad ergo malevolent. Thank you."

DaddyCoool:
You're not a total dummy, are you?
What's with you with these words "assertion" and "evidence"??
I made a statement. Counter the statement with a cogent argument or keep shut!
Here's the statement:
We have no way of knowing if anything is ultimately evil because we have no way of knowing the ultimate end.
God created a world with certain rules and with admixture of things to make it interesting. He can't keep interrupting to bend the rules to prevent "evil"!

No but i know a dummy when i see one. One that makes baseless statements all over the place and is scared of backing up those statements with evidence and skirts around it, knowing deep down they're baseless. One that clearly doesn't get what an assertion is while making numerous empty claims expecting others to just swallow the dross hook, line and sinker. That's a grade A dummy. 😁Obviously with your response it's clear you pulled it out of your ass and it has no basis in reality.

DaddyCoool:
Einstein any combination of letters can exist as a word in auto-correct. All it takes is for you to mistakenly set it one time.
You and dummy Epicurus don't realise that once you create a world with certain rules you don't keep interrupting to suspend the rules every time anything "bad" is about to happen. And by the way nobody knows what is ultimately bad. If a cute baby Hitler had been killed as a child everybody would be asking why God would allow such wickedness!

Obviously I'm clearly Einstein where your are😅. Like i said you made your point and i got it, your god is the source of evil and i bet your god is yhwh, who boasts in Isaiah 45:7 about causing evil. So what's the extra circular mental gymnastics as a defense for. Case is settled.

Also this : "...don't realise that once you create a world with certain rules you don't keep interrupting to suspend the rules every time anything "bad" is about to happen".
What part of your ass did you pull this your baseless assertion void of evidence from, certainly not objective reality😄

DaddyCoool:
Trying to camouflage your defective thinking by citing auto-correct induced spelling errors?!

That Epicurus quote and this your entire write-up are so DUMB.
God set up a universe based on HIS CHOSEN laws and rules and you want him to step in and contraven those HIS laws every time a "bad" thing
is about to happen! If you carelessly leave your window open where your toddler can fall off, he should temporarily suspended gravity so your child won't fall! So also when a lion is about to kill an adorable baby panda, etc. See how dumb that sounds?

As smart at lying as you are at thinking, since when does poor auto-correct, correct into words that don't exist, 😄 or you didn't think that through, thou great deep thinker.😁 Anyways don't know what all the foaming at the mouth is about when you already agreed your god is the source of all evil and everything bad, when it had the 'ability' to make it not so. The mental gymnastics here is just taking you in circles, religious people seem to love circles for some reason. By the way, which of the gods are you laying claim to as the one who created everything, cause there are over 10,000 of em laying same claims.

DaddyCoool:
No it is about your inability to think, you and kobojunkie. Someone created a computer game where things occurre in pairs. He assigns himself the position of good guy and to maintain HIS OWN rules creates a bad guy to ballance it. And here you are, saying that proves he is not omnipotent. Pure non siquiture!

Lol! You keep mentioning think and ability to think but so far contradict yourself and have shown your own ability to think is just as bad as your abilty to spell which seemingly doesn't "occurre" to you. Quite ironically "ballanced"😅. At least with the bolded you had it in you to admit your god is the source of all things bad ergo malevolent. Thank you.😁

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"

DaddyCoool:
This is NOT a question of assertions a[/b]nd evidence. It is a question of your and Kobo's inability to think. [b]You are told someone CHOSE to make something a certain way and you jump to that proves he is not omnipotent because he didn't make it a different way. Pure non sequitur!

Can't help but laugh at the bolded, is this you thinking😅 or you don't know what an assertion is. Anyways like i said earlier you can't have it both ways, so good can exist without evil and your god could make good without evil but "chose" to not do it because reasons, so he's not omnibenevolent or all loving. Which checks out after all he proudly boasts of creating evil. Lol!

Your original statement btw which shows your god constrained by limits ergo not omnipotent. "Bad Devil is necessary because good God exists".

[quote author=DaddyCoool post=134470977][/quote]You make assertions without a single lick of evidence in any way, shape or form, then your assertion stumbles on and contradicts itself before even leaving the gate. You then make more baseless assertions to support your previous contradictory baselsess assertions. If that's smart, i certainly don't want to be smart. Ironic.

Gabrielshow24:
Lucifyre, you know how it ended sour for you and your friends😂😂😂 last time!

Let that just be a remainder🤨.
I don't have your time this night!

A remainder 🤣 i don't even know who you are. Anyways I'd remaind myself.

Gabrielshow24:
False Dichotomy 🤦🏾‍♂️

Mental Gymnastics 😅

Gabrielshow24:
God is omnipotent 😁

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

Epicurus.

DaddyCoool:
Can you people think at all. It is like asking why don't God have dead people walking around.
He, HE, HE HIMSELF set things up that way!!!!

Lol maybe you should take your advice and put your brain cells to work. You were the one that made the assertion good can't exist without evil. If good can't exist without evil, then god is limited and not omnipotent cause he can't create just good. If god is omnipotent, then he can create good without needing to create evil. You can't have it both ways. 😌

DaddyCoool:
You can't have all good God and angels on one side, and nothing on the other side. God set our reality and sensibilities to only work like that. The only way we'er aware of good is because bad exists

In other words the god of the bible is not omnipotent. Agreed.

DaddyCoool:
Good and evil. Mention one instance in nature where there is singularity. Right can't exist without left, up can't exist without down, etc. Bad Devil is necessary because good God exists

So god is limited by constraints ergo he's not omnipotent or all powerful, then how is he god?!

paxonel:
OK,

What about this?
The term SCIENTIFICALLY related to the principle of science
Can you still deny that one ?

The point is, SCIENCE is a method of acquiring knowledge and the term SCIENTIFICALLY can be used in relation to methods of acquiring any knowledge including religious knowledge

Still dodging the question i see. Anyways below are definitions from the merriam-webster dictionary. But say i give it to you - ignoring semantics, just to tighten your noose, what has been "scientifically verified"? and how has it been verified? Where's the source, paper, concensus, evidence or journal of this verification? What body carried out this so called verification? 😁

Satanism. All hail lord satan.😄