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Gabrielshow24:
You said our claim is not factual.

Now bring out your own supposed factual proposition!!!

Now you are calling me a fool for asking? 🤨

You dismissed something as wrong, now show us what's right🤔.

If you don't have then you will do so well as to educate yourself!

Extra ordinary claims asserted without evidence can be just as easily dismissed without evidence. It's common sense. But still i recommended you a book, its words on pages, it doesn't bite, read it and educate urself. Quite simple really.

Gabrielshow24:
Show me the evidence you have? 🤨

And let's see whether it's a baseless claim indeed.

After all it's innocent until proven guilty!!!

Do you guys think at all. I should provide evidence to counter a claim you made that has not even been demonstrated to be factual. Think nau.

Gabrielshow24:
It doesn't matter, singularity isn't concrete yet you don't have issue with that.

Have you not thought how it's possible to conceptualize all this(mathematically) even without concrete evidence, doesn't it tell you that natural things obey some form of laws!!!

You have problem with God, but with singularity you don't have a problem 🤨 while both are not concrete!!!

Some scientists don't even believe in singularities looking for better ways to explain the origination of the universe 👀!

As for question 1 - 2, the same source that made you know that the singularity is not concrete answers that!

As for question 3: the singularity suggests that!!!
Simple reasoning should make you ask what predated matter, time and space?

Then maybe you will have your answer!!!
Can't you see?
The same way, I can make the same claim for God!!!

You don't have the scientific frameworks as at now to prove the existence of God but you have present hints that lead to him!!!!

In other words i dont have the answers i just make baseless claims and beat around the bush to avoid providing evidence for my claims and assertions. 😂

[quote author=Gabrielshow24 post=134566841]Why not answer the intent basis for building an house? 🤨

Instead of rigmaroling, the people of nairaland will like to know why men build houses, cities and towers? 😂😂😂[/quote

"They didn't want to leave their comfort zones".

"sooner or later it will be their comfort zone!!!"

So it wasn't thier comfort zone at the time, which is it😁?!

Gabrielshow24:
It's a biblical claim🤨

Do you have a better theory?

So a baseless claim without evidence and what evidence we have contradicts it. Na wa. Educate urself with the source i already gave you and let ignorance die.

Gabrielshow24:
Properly, I didn't phrase it well.
I meant the origination of distinct languages.
They are just posits!!!

Although there are experiments done by scientists that aim to show how words(language) change over time!!!

The fact still remains, how did this much variant come to be?

Also, I am using the scenario of children picking up on only languages they are exposed to as a counter proposition!!!

Hence the children of ammon will pick up solely on the language of their Father ammon!!!

Hence how then did the ammonite tongue come into existence?

Am not saying it's not plausible that some modified theirs based on some yardstick or the aspect of language that allows it to be formulated? 🤨

What am saying is that God gave them diverse tongues and from them other variants came into existence based on speech defects, pronunciation, assimilation etc

So far you haven't proved me wrong!!!
Science follows patterns and from this patterns we make laws or draw correlations!

So far there is no single evidence to suggest children gain language skill they are not exposed to😂😂😂.

If you have kindly provide!!!

And there is evidence it started from the tower of babel?! wtf!

Gabrielshow24:
Our God didn't come out of nothing!
He brought all things out of nothing!!!

Why not enlighten yourself whether indeed "singularity" is concrete? 🤨

Maybe then you will understand better.

1. Where's the reputable source for the science claim?
2. So where did your particular god come from?
3. So something can come out of nothing?! 😁 Thought science made that claim.
4. The singularity being concrete or not doesn't prove your god. Singularity might not be concrete but the equations and framework that describe it are. Even though they're not observable and usually hidden away behind event horizons its only a matter of time similar to black holes. 20 yrs ago, no one had observed a black hole save for its framework, today 😉.... Same can't be said for your god.

Gabrielshow24:
Well, that's one way to look at it.
Irrespective, when they were building the intention for this was to dwell there!!!

Hence sooner or later it will be their comfort zone!!!

Why God acted preemptively was not fully exemplified but we know that a possible reason was to spread them across the surface of the earth!

You can disprove me by showing me a monument or city that people built but didn't intend to use!!!

Or do you build an house and not stay there in?
Or a tower without the intent of striving there?

So it wasnt their comfort zone at the time, which is it?! 😁 In other words like i already stated, you don't like what it states in verse 5, so you jinn up a new scenario😂 Thank you.

Gabrielshow24:
It's a nice way to see it.
But you failed to see the essence of the narration, it was to list out the genealogy of Noah's children hence anything that happened in between was not relevant to the listing(enumeration)!!!

Or will you add additional stories when you are exemplifying a tree like listing?

Hence the major reason, he gave the cause of the division of languages in the next chapter and he even further elucidated the families once more!!

Hence we don't know for sure on whose heads the splitting started from!!!

But one thing we do know is the result - the nations.

Also there has never been scientific evidence of children speaking language which they are not exposed to.

Hence they must have spoken the same language from the start!!!

Stop with this your agenda.
Be honest for once!!!

If you can bring out evidence of where a child spoke Chinese when he/she wasn't exposed to it at all!!!

Or when you were growing up did you suddenly start speaking English?
Didn't you get acquainted with it?

Hence science at best can only explain accents(slight variations) not diversity of languages!!!

So in other words I got nothing so i just jinned up a scenario to reconcile the contradictions while renegotiating the texts. Perfectly normal for you guys. What does children speaking languages they haven't been exposed to have to do with anything, are u serious 🤣 Jesu, science can only explain accents and can't explain the diversity. Wow. Ignorant as Bleep, do you read?!. Anyways the best cure for ignorance is education. You need to educate yourself. Damn! The Power of Babel: A Natural History of Language – John McWhorter. Start with that to educate ursellf abeg. wtf!

Gabrielshow24:
I will like to know his scientific proof for the non-existence of God!!!

It seems to be just sentiments 🤔.
He is looking for concrete proof, when even Science seems to suggest that the universe came from nothing - singularity.

No matter how they try when it comes to the origin of the universe, the God factor always rears its head.

I will like to see his posits on this matter.

I would also like to see scientific evidence for humbaba and the seven tailed flying monkey with dragon breath😊.
Please show me where science claims the world "came from nothing". Just one reputable source. Meanwhile your bible claims your god came out of nothing and created everything out of nothing. Isn't that just brilliant. Also which god sef cause like legion, they're many.

StillDtruth:
See mad devil on colos. The thread shows that you have been countered but all you have done is to abuse and insalt everyone who opposed you like mad people in the market. Clearly dem Curse you with Madness.

You and your obsession with madness, it clearly runs in your family. Its your kids i pity, hopefully you don't pass the genes onto them, funny thing is even if they escape the madness gene, can they be lucky to escape your foolishness gene. Hopefully they are lucky twice, it's possible.

Gabrielshow24:
Gen1:28 suggests that God wanted them to fill the Earth.
A process that will be somewhat difficult given the fact they just made a city for themselves and were in the works of making a tower.

Also, I don't see someone coming from a "far place" building a house, then suddenly wants to leave🤨.

What then was the purpose of the city?
If it were to be you, would you prefer to dwell in the city or continue roaming about? 🤧

You seriously went to cite creation story as evidence when the babel story is there. Silly anachronism, cite referrals to the tower of babel story pls. If you had a clue it would have been even better to cite the "populate the earth" command to Noah, as Babel happened after the flood.😄 Verse 4 never said they had built the city, they were building, clearly in the process of doing both. How can people who just migrated be in their comfort zone, when they've not even set up @ their new location 😁. Negotiation upon renegotiation. Besides since when is a small part of mesopotamia the whole world, cause gen 10 lists where they spread to.

Gabrielshow24:
You seem not to pay attention, you just want to frolic in your ignorance!!!

Moses was exemplifying the nations that came out from Shem, Ham and Japheth!!!

The next chapter explained the cause of division!

You sure you read Gen 10 😁. You seen how it's structured . Clearly everyone did not disperse from Shinar just the Nimrod crew as stated in 8, it shows where everyone dispersed from and they had languages already. It would have clearly told us everyone dispersed from Shinar where the tower was . Any other way to reconcile what's an obvious contradiction and any text to demonstrate that

Gabrielshow24:
To answer your rebuttal, the reason they decided to make a city is to dwell there!!!

You don't make a city and then migrate elsewhere 🤨!!!

Is this a joke😄 People who were just migrated and got somehwere to build shelter didnt want to leave their comfort zone. Even you deep down you know you're saying nonsense. Besides where's the text that shows this as the reason and that god wanted to spread them in the story different from what's in verse 5.

geoworldedu:
So you can use boat over the ocean

Pls explain how those people used boat to migrate from Babel to Nigeria abeg. That's all I asked. Using boat over the ocean in the early men ages is a suicide mission o. Omoh

Dude would manufacture explanations 😂. Not forgetting this was after the flood, so the people were few and the only way to repopulate was through incest. They claim everyone came from incest. This is not even considering different languages already existed in Gen 10.

Gabrielshow24:
You are missing the point.

He wasn't insecure about their visions or aspirations but rather he wanted them to multiply upon the surface of the earth, to fill the Earth.

They didn't want to leave their comfort zones.
So he used another way.

You must also bear in mind the historical context of the people, they as at that time believed God(s) dwelt in the sky!!!

This is found in almost all civilizations.
Hence based on their perceptions they thought that!

The Heaven God dwells is beyond the universe even if they had continued they still won't have reached him.

Its funny how when the texts clearly state something, but what it states doesn't conform to what you people expect in the text, you negotiate and renegotiate the meaning to tell the text what its supposed to be saying. Where is the bolded cited as the reason in the story when the reason is already clearly stated in verse 5. Also the comfort zone crap falls apart first because its not stated anywhere, second they where already migrating from the east as stated clearly in verse 1. So rethink another excuse for the flaws, this one no jive. How can a migrating people be in their comfort zone?comeAlso an omniscient being that suddenly got anthropomorphic features and had to xome down to see. Nigga please.

delkuf:
you talking like a fool. I pray God forgive you before it is too late

Why not counter the facts instead of barking.

I find it funny how thiests resort to foaming at the mouth like as if rabid when unable to offer counter facts to facts. You both left the topic unaddressed choosing to bark rabidly instead. Hilarious.

StillDtruth:
See how foolish you are?
Now you real eyes that you still have nothing to say the next stupid thing you do is to re-fight my saying insalt even after I have told you the last time that you are too stupid to read and you could not say anything.

So, you resort to insalting me because you see that I always make you see that you are super foolish when you speak in your attempt to blow me off from pointing out that you are always very stupid.

To be maintaining this level of stupidity for such a long time, it's clear your village people have done it again.

Ok stop crying😄 sorry, i won't insalt or inpepper you again, was only marveling at your dedication and longevity to your craft. Wipe the tears from your eyes, clean the foam from your mouth and stop barking, it would be fine, your last two braincells fighting for third place can still be somewhat useful. All is not lost. No more insalts, just observation of your dedicated buffoonery from afar. Ur fellow theists usually say "what god cannot do does not exist". That's until they encounter your case😁

geoworldedu:
Everything about God is mighty. And for Yhvh to be able to fornicate with virgin Mary from heaven to earth and birth baby Jesus, his pennis must be very long to reach inside the toto of virgin Mary right from heaven above.

Lol! Funny thing is some of the earliest depictions of Yhvh show he actually has a big penis, pictured alongside his wife Asherah.

geoworldedu:
Lol, the argument is still on. Where will God's long spiritual pennis will fit in if the world keep constructing physical buildings?

I know you're joking, but what informed your joke that Yhvh has a long penis?😅

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂Oga what is your scientific value judgment of religion? "Good" or "bad"?

We are waiting.

One more please for absolute confirmation of your grade A retardation, can you pls repeat verbatim like an oaf🙂

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂Oga what is your scientific value judgment of religion? "Good" or "bad"?

We are waiting.

Please just for confirmation. confirm your retardation for us as Nairaland's Grade A Deputy M0ron In Chief, roaming around nairaland repeatedly asking same dim witted questions. 😂

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂Oga what is your scientific value judgment of religion? "Good" or "bad"?

We are waiting.

At first i actually thought you were on something, didn't know the retardation was innate and you were vying for stilldfool's position. As a retard pls repeat the question 😁

StillDtruth:
Says a senseless person already showing he is the world champion of Fools trying to counter by making insalts and abuses, (which the whole world has already determined that they are the most stupid arguments fools make) since he never could find any reasonable counter in the first place 🤣🤣🤣

You obviously have taken the title of the worlds most foolishest from Jaephoenix 🤣🤣🤣

Insalts?! What about Inpepper?! You'd definitely know arguments from fools after all 40 plus years of experience being a fool is not to be scoffed at. I doff my hat at your longevity 👊🏼

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂Oga what is your scientific value judgment of religion? "Good" or "bad"?

We are waiting.

Please wait 🤡

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂Oga what is your scientific value judgment of religion? "Good" or "bad"?

We are waiting.

Please wait just a little bit, give me 6000yrs

Truthseeker10:
Lucifyre....why do people who do not believe in God not agree on something as simple as good and evil?

Lucifyre, do you agree with the submission above?

😅 Which god?!
You are truly on crack.

Truthseeker10:
What's the point of bantering with your topic above if you are not going to reach a scientific conclusion?

😂😂😂Oga what is your scientific value judgment of religion? "Good" or "bad"?

We are waiting.

😅 Is this a joke? Scientific mentioned alongside religious dross. Got any scientific proof for your god?!

StillDtruth:
It would snow in Lagos before you ever have a chance to give any reasonable counter to my responses.

🥱 Stale. What sensible person gives a counter to nairaland's Grade A m0ron in chief. BTW there's someone on here fighting seriously for your title.😁

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂Oga what is your scientific value judgment of religion? "Good" or "bad"?

We are waiting.

Got a rebuttal for the topic or any evidence whatsoever?! No?! As i thought, sit in the corner. 🤡

Truthseeker10:
The same way it is delusional to analyse a matter without scientifically giving a value Judgement of whether the matter is either "good" or "bad" especially when the analyst strongly agrees that "good" and "bad" exist.😂😂😂

In other words YES and no evidence. Thank you

I didn't know that morality argument gave you sleepless nights that you had to ignore the topic at hand to try to bring it back into this😂 Na so e bother you reach