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Crap.

20 years a hold by a great politician. Which bought back memory that occurred during the heat of the last campaign period of 2015. I and a group of friends were discussing about the billboard we saw along Agidingbin road beside Lagos state television. It was a picture of Tinubu, Fashola and the unknown Ambode. It was was a flimsy discussion but how prophetic it was.

Someone among us observed that it's only Ambode's cap that is not facing the same direction that Tinubu and Fashola'a are facing. And she said, "it signified, it will be Ambode that will bring down the Tinubu dynasty." We all laughed but how true it's that a lack of distinctive brand will hurt APC in 2019. I'm calling it. A huge Elephant will fall in 2019 for the following reasons :

1. The Opposition mindset: Lagos was never built to follow the ruling party at the center. And I discovered why, no ruling party has successfully lead or have a leader that meets up to the high standard of the Lagos voters.

2. The division of the Yoruba votes : Tinubu blind support for Buhari has successfully divide the Yoruba's vote along religious line. What the Igbos couldn't successful do in the last election, he did it this year.

3. Blind Ambition : Tinubu desperation to be President in 2023 has made him to willfully seat on a keg of truth when he was supposed to run.

4. The tribal card: The stuffing of critical security position with Northerners has bring out the mistrust of the Yorubas.

5. The Blame game : The overplayed of the card. You can only play this card for a year but but if you're still blaming your predecessor a year before another election, it shows you are incompetent.

6. The complicity support of the Fulani herdsmen: Another thing Yoruba's voters are known to detest is cheating. For 3 years, they witness a President who refused to stop the herdsmen killing because they are his people.

7. The Blindside of Tinubu: We all witness a man who blind sided a Yoruba man despite his contribution to his election.

8. A weak Polictian: A man who's stupidity allowed Saraki and indirectly makes the opposition party the head of the Senate will play a contributing factor.

9. The rising security problems : His incompetence at the killings of Nigerians especially in the North spells danger.

10. Lack of communication skills: And his inability to empathize, to communicate compassion, to makes Nigerians feel he is the leader of the whole country will hurt the brand of APC in Lagos.

donnie:
There they go. First they deny it ever happened. When that fails, they resort to the above kind of statements.

Get use to this kind of statement from me. Because it annoys me when I see men who are Gods on their own right acting slavishly to a man who became a God because he has access to God directly.

Hmmmm, death and hell were thrown into the lake of fire. Op, the day you realize the book of Revelation was a vision given to an unknown John , the faster you will get to know, everything written in there are all symbolism.

What do I mean? In the same book of Revelation 12, there's a description of a fiery red dragon. So have you ever seen or heard of a dragon vomiting flood enough to carry a ant talk less of a woman? So what does that tells you?

SO what makes you think, death and hell being swallow up doesn't signified something else?

Please, religion is the greatest tool created by man to control man including Atheism. And I will tell you why Atheism is not excluded. It's a movement that believes in lack of God but in the man god. Their own god is scientists.

It's created by man to fleece and exercise power over their fellow men. And you will wonder how come the followers can't see the fleecing? There is a popular saying that religion is the opium of poor masses. Lies. The poor are also fleecing the leaders. That's why majority of the followers are the poor. They are depending on religion for their means of survival.

So what? Please enough of the deification of a man like you.

It's the reason when you see them doing wrong, you won't be able to call them to order. Fear go catch una.

OP, when next you want to open a thread, let the opening post be able to summarize the points you are trying to make. I earnestly want to read but I still don't understand the purpose of this thread after reading four of your posts.

Nigerians look down on each other. Let us first remove the dust in our eyes

Dalam0n:
It is based on YOUR God claims that me as an atheist say that your God does not exist, so why don't you provide evidence to show that your God exist. Your God does not exist simply on the basis that you haven't provided any evidence to show that it does. Absence of evidence is evidence of absence and what can be asserted without evidence deserves to be dismissed without evidence.

It's also based your claim as an Atheist that God doesn't exist, that I'm asking for evidence. If you can do that, I'll do mine.

sKeetz:
The burden of proof is on you miss. If I came to you and say that I had a magical bean that can grow and reach the heavens, it's left for me to prove it.

Extra ordinary claims needs extra ordinary evidence.

Hmm I didn't claim God exist on this thread. He brought it up first. I was even the one reminding him that I thought you guys don't believe in the existence of God.

[quote author=Dalam0n post=67906873][/quote]Nah. I can prove God exists. My journey so far is a testimony to that. But since Atheist believes in logical reasoning, he must logically prove first that God doesn't exist.

Infact, I'm promise that, if HardMirror can list 5 logical reasons God doesn't exist, I'll list 10 logical reasons God exists. Then the world will get to judge which of us is applying.logic.

The ball is in his court. If e sure for am, let him kick the ball.

HardMirror:
burden of proof is not on me. it is on you who claim something exists. you cannot ask me to claim something i dont believe in does not exist. there are billions of things you dont know, and if i want you to believe they exist, then i must first give you prove they exist. it is your right not to believe until i can prove such exists. same for you, you cannot claim god exists if you hav no prove it exists. imagine people going about and asking you to prove their imaginations does not exist? that is dumb.

But you are claiming He doesn't exist. Since you're sure He doesn't exist, then the burden of proof is on you.

Butterflyleo:
You have time to hold this talk with hardmirror. The mere fact that you asked him to prove GOD DOES NOT EXIST and he began listing entities not being referenced by you shows you will only end up watching all you say fly over his head.

Truer words have never been said. That's why I'm responding back with questions. Before going on a fool's errand, he must lead.

HardMirror:
can you prove
Zeus
Hera
Poseidon
Demeter
Ares
Athena
Apollo
Artemis
Hephaestus
Aphrodite
Hermes
Dionysus
Hades
Hypnos
Nike
Janus
Nemesis
Iris
Hecate
Tyche dont exist?

You must prove God doesn't exist . Then I'll prove mine.

HardMirror:
oh really? God exists? prove it

This is a better argument.

First of all prove God doesn't exist.

themonk:
If our parents were responsible for our existing then we can say our parents is reponsible for our existence not God. So our parents decided if we should exist or not.
If you say our parents made this decision and then God honoured it by creating us then God honoured our denial of freewill.

Secondly, if we go back to adam and eve who were the first parents as the bible says or whoever you belive the first parents were. They were denied the option of existing or not by who or whatever created them.


That's bias.

Let me correct myself. Some are prone to certain sins than others. It's not biased. It is called equity.


You are mixing up everything. what do you mean by this?

If you say our parents made this decision and then God honoured it by creating us then God honoured our denial of freewill.

You raised a powerful point about Adam. In as much as you've raised a powerful point you must realize every man is on this earth to fulfill a purpose. I'll give you an instance. A biro didn't became a biro without an input materials. Can a biro says I don't want to be created? How can a egg and a sperm refuse to be a baby. How can Adam that was a sand reject being created.

You are over thinking. Please relax your brain.

HardMirror:
yes he talks to them in all languages because that voice talking to you is your own thoughts not god.

now this is a dumb question. in genesis did god not stroll around the garden? asking me this question is so dumb, making me doubt i should even be answering you when obviously you dont read your bible. even saying no one has seen god. geezzzz!!!!! get a bible before you try to engage me in any discuss. so jacob did not see god? or shld i start listing them to you?

an all knowing god that regrets. is that one a god? if you are all knowing you shld have no reason to regret cos noting surprises you.
how does this prove if god is real? so god is real because man has not created anything that has a mind of it's own? seems you are still in the stone ages not to know AI has advanced to that level.
geezzzeee!!!! here she goes again. a christian that has not read her bible. Isaiah 66:1 Psalm 2:4
where did man claim to be omnipotent? an omnipotent god that rest? lol. you make me laugh.
another proof that you dont read you bible. i think i dont have to answer you. a simple google search will give you numerous instances in the bible where god ate. stop being lazy and asking me dumb questions.
i have endured your stark ignorance of the bible you claim to believe. next time ask sensible questions

You are confusing yourself. You shouldn't have dabble into this by opening a thread if you're not convicted.

This is your words

God claims he was never created and has no God. God is just like a typical Atheist. Atheists refuse to accept they were created by a god.

For you to compare God to an Atheist, it simply means you believe in the existence of God. You can't compare something that exists with something that you believe doesn't exist.

The speaker is foolish for comparing something that exists with something he believes doesn't exist.

I don't want to say you are foolish like him for opening this thread.

The basis for comparison is flawed.

This is waste of my time.

TonyeBarcanista:
Atheist in me? trying so hard to put me on defensive, nice try though... But sorry to disappoint you, Atheists don't believe in the existence of God in the first instance, nor do they proclaim any religion. Google should have helped you Ma'am.

Again, If you were smart you will know that God first wrote his mind on the tablet of Stone and they were documented through the Torah. However, Jesus came to fulfil that and the prophesy of writing of God's minds on the hearts of men became fulfilled through the Holy Spirit.

Early apostles and Christians with inspiration of the Holy Spirit wrote to churches through admonition and epistles, their epistles were not in conflict with the Teachings of Jesus.

They saw visions and did signs but all were in tandem with the scriptures. None of the apostles proclaimed heresy in the name of Christ claiming false teachings by saying "God spoke to me so so and so". Only mentally ill patients and fraudsters do such.

Holy Spirit guides but He doesn't give contradictory teaching and He didn't tell you who to date and who not to. The job of the Holy Spirit is to remind us not to be of equal yoke with those that doesn't believe in the doctrine of Christ (in marriage) in accordance with the scripture but He will not tell you to date Brother John or Mr. Jacob.

Once again, No God speak with you at any time... God cannot be mocked

Excuse me? God wrote his mind on the tablet of stone or Moses wrote his mind on the tablet of stone? Please clarify.

The option was given to your parents . They had an option. infact they have many options which they rejected by giving birth to you. But when you are old enough, the option to live or to die is still with you. You just don't have option at the point of conception. So it's matter of timing.

Hmmn, I love your last question. God is never biased. It's men out of their selfish reasons that sells God as biased. Indeed some are prone to sin than others. Let us use fornication as an example. Someone with an high sex drive is prone to commit fornication but you failed to realize just because I don't have an high sex drive doesn't mean I don't have a weakness that's prone to sin, for instance covetousness. Every single one of us have something that's prone to sin. We just need to ask for God's help to overcome them.

Hmmm. Timely question. Yes it is possible to believe in God and be fed up of religion in general, not just Christianity. I'm a testimony of that.

But the first step to freedom is to find God. If you do, you will truly be free from the bondages of religion.

TonyeBarcanista:
Nobody de hear from any source, all na format.

The Bible is God Word and captured the mind of God. Any other narrative or doctrine that isn't in tandem with the provisions of the Bible is null and void. Such doctrine is heresy at best and fraud at worst.

But if you say you aren't a Christian then the God you depend on need to upgrade himself.

In fact, I put it to him that he is not a God but only your subconscious playing pranks on you.

God didn't write the Bible. God spoke through men like you. So why do think God is not interested in talking to you directly?

Do you now see that the Atheist in you is coming out little by little.

TonyeBarcanista:
You are a God? which God? Do you know what "a God" is? Do you have foreknowledge of events?

A God that listens to another God and takes order from him is NO God. A God that is in Naija suffering under Buhari change with no single power to change things in her local street is NO God.

I put it to you that you aren't hearing from any god/God/gods/deity. No be me you go wash...

No be only God na Egbesu, Amadioha, Ifa, Sango wey you be...

No be me you go wash my Dear

LOL. Guy you have to take a break from the politics section.

It's not bragging but you know nothing about spirituality. If you have not start hearing from God, then you are still a babe. if you are still receiving instructions from the Bible and not yet from the source, then you've not begin your spiritual journey.

Think on that.

1. God is everything like man. God talks, walks, regrets, gets angry, gets jealous, thinks sits on chairs, rests, even eats etc. You would only argue this if you dont read your bible.

Hmmn

1. God talks to man in all languages. Do man talk in all languages?

2. God walk? No man born of a woman has ever seen God, so how do you know he walks. Give me biblical references.

3. God regrets? He actually hate when man is disobedient but is there a man who can create something that has an option to be obedient or be disobedient?

4. God gets jealous but is there a man who has created something that has an option to serve his maker or not?

5. God sit on a chair? Biblical references please?

6. God rest? But what man has ever created a planet talk less of a galaxy?

7. God eats? Biblical references please?

HardMirror, where are thou?

TonyeBarcanista:
Stop sounding defensive ma'am!

As a Christian, any proclamation of spirituality that has no scriptural/Biblical root is heresy, just as Muslims considers any form of Spirituality without root in the Qur'an as heresy.

I am not even interested in the reason for the long delay in acceptance from your end but I know it was because you didn't consider him worthy enough as at then. You considered other guys, the same guys you dated (this you admitted though) within the 8 years period but never worked as planned. I can bet that if things had worked as planned with any of those guys it would have been OYO for this gentleman.

Meanwhile, being an introvert doesn't make a man less a man just as being an extrovert doesn't make a man more manly.

Oga, didn't I say, you are so eager to put your foot in your mouth? I am not a Christian. I am a God who believes spirituality is when you start hearing from God and hearkning to it.

Do you see how you wrong footed yourself? Please start all over again.

HardMirror:
1. God is everything like man. God talks, walks, regrets, gets angry, gets jealous, thinks sits on chairs, rests, even eats etc. You would only argue this if you dont read your bible.

2. How does god think like an atheist? God claims he has no creator. God does not believe in a god. That is shear atheistic arrogance. Why should we believe we cannot exist without a creator, but agree god has no creator?

3. The question you should be asking is what has god created? I am sure of the many things man has created. Everything in your house was created by man. But i dont know a single thing god created.

4. Men have been worshipped so has idols. How long they have been worshipped is irrelevant. Do you know hinduism is about 4000years old? The fact that for 4000 years people have been worshiping idols of elephant and women with 6 hands, does that not show you that man is fallable to gullibility? Even if man worships another man for just one day, it is enough proof of our gullibility. So this should not be a competition on who has been gullible for the longest period.

5. That something is wide spread does not make it correct. Islam has almost as many adherents as christianity same with hinduism. Dont forget once upon a time the whole world believed the earth was flat. Dont forget once upon a time the whole world thought diseases where caused by spirits and not micro-organisms. People can be fooolish on a mass scale. Not new to humanity

I landed. I refuse to mixed up everything together. Let's pick the point one by one.

TonyeBarcanista:
Forget this yarn jare. This is contradictory...

If you say he waited for your YES for 8 years, it simply means he left that space vacant waiting for you to step in.

If he had girlfriend(s) within the 8 years it simply means he wasn't waiting for you but also wanted you to be among his other options to determine the best. If this is the case then it means he never waited for you for 8 years. It simply means you guys decided to give each other chance when his own relationship and yours failed to materialize after 8 years of his first attempt.

However, if he never really dated within the 8 years then he never had a relationship nor ex-GFs within the said period.

You are just eager to put your foot in your mouth. There's nothing contradictory. You are just faster than your shadow. Abebelube.

TonyeBarcanista:
I'm a spiritual person but I don't mix spirituality and heresy. There is nothing like soulmate in the Bible, you won't see such from Genesis to Revelation. It is man made invention, hence, I call it spiritual Mumbo-Jumbo. God cannot be mocked...

By the way, NO MAN is destined for any woman neither is any woman destined for any man. That narrative has no spiritual backing, it is an heresy invented by spiritual fraudsters and accepted by those that wanted something to compensate themselves.

I put it to you that your guy didn't date ANY woman within the 8 years. He may be crushing but he never really dated as his mind was fixated on waiting for you. If he had, it will naturally diminish whatever infatuation he had towards you and you would be the one doing the chasing afterwards NOT him.

I also put it to you that your guy isn't an extrovert, extroverts don't display such traits. Extroverts are the most social and at same time most impatient people. Being an introvert doesn't mean he wouldn't be free with you, his family or close friends.

As for the OP, he is should man up and do the needful

Oga, you obviously don't know what spirituality is and you are not ready to know. You will just waste my time.

Guy I tire for you. You just deh find all possible means to demonize me.

I'm an introvert. So when I see someone who is clearly opposite of me, I know. Don't define my guy for me. You don't know him.

The reason I turned him down, I won't tell you no matter how you are using different tricks to get the information out of me. Please wait for my thread before you start being judgemental.

And by the way, the OP also tried other options, they are just not like the original option.

AtYourCervix:
8 years, WTF!

You guys should stop being dramatic. Just because he waited 8 years for me to say yes doesn't mean he didn't have any side chicks.

After all, he introduced two of his ex-girlfriends to me.

CAPSLOCKED:

LOL
I'M SORRY, BUT YOUR GUY IS EVEN MORE FÖOLISH THAN THIS THREAD'S STARTER.

SO YOU THINK YOU'RE A GOOD THING? HAHA.. YOU'RE DELUDED.

You didn't raise any sensible point. Why am I deluded? Olodo.

TonyeBarcanista:
No disrespect but all these are afterthought. The fact is you settled for him after others had failed within the 8 years of his wait. Whether he turned out to be the best is another subject. He was an option then not the main forcus but only got elevated after other relationships collapsed.

All the spiritual Mumbo-Jumbo is heretic as there is NO portion of the scripture that proclaimed a woman being made for a man. There is nothing like preplanned soulmate in the Bible, humans only invented that to make themselves feel good.

Honestly, I don't envy him (your guy) and the OP a bit.




I put it to the OP that he's introverted with probably a low self esteem, he's only hiding under the cover of spirituality but there is nothing spiritual here. God cannot be mocked.

I can bet that the lady in question is either in a relationship or has had relationship within the said 4 years and the dude is simply an option waiting for his time. OP should grow balls and move on!

I tend not to discuss spirituality with people who are limited by sight. Let's proceed.

You failed to put into consideration that he also has other women he dated. Just because he waited doesn't mean He didn't try other options. I didn't settled for him after 8 years. I saw him better after 8 years.

You may not believe in spiritual mumbo jumbo. That's destiny. We could have settled for anyone we had dated bur we didn't.

I hope the OP is learning. The guy that I'm with is an extrovert, so please enough of the introvert crap. .

HardMirror:
Lets not banta on that.
THE SUMMERY
Who created God?
God claims he was never created and has no God. God is just like a typical Atheist. Atheists refuse to accept they were created by a god.
So God is so sure he has no creator and is all boastful about it. Well shiit happens and God dies only to realize he actually has a creator.

This same creator argues he is the ultimate and was not created. Only to also realize he has a creator. On and on it goes...
How can a sophisticated human exist without a creator? If humans muxt be created because it is impossible for us to just exist by chance, then why is it convenient to believe a god could exist without a creator

Why is it convenient to believed God could exist without a creator? Please do answer the following questions:

1. In what way is God like man?

2. in what way does God think like a way?

3. In what way has man created the same replica of what God created?

4. In what way has a man ever be worship for centuries and centuries and centuries past till now?

5. And what belief has been widespread as the belief in God?

So on what ground are you comparing an Atheist to God?