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gregyboy:
Igaa ogene never be ife are you that dumo or mischievous did you read any of the articles what made you believe the 2016 article was correct because its new"

The benins described oghene as one who carried cross does your ooni know what is cross

Historans even argue if those ife artwork was originally made in ife or they had bought it fron mechant or they even migrated to meet them m there


The ife art works were not made by ife they probably had bought them from mechant

TAO11:
(1) Your argument which you're trying hard to defend here is as follows:

"Igodomigodo ... was the name (of the land) ... during the reign of Oba Eweka 1".

The so-called evidence you're now bringing forward to supposedly defend it is as follows:

"The Ubini period, this is the period beginning with Eweka the first in 1100s AD. Some people believe that the name came about when Oranmiyan ... , left ... in anger ..., calling it Ile-Ibinu ..."

How do you not see that your so-called evidence contradicts what you had intend it to support??

In other words, you just admitted (without knowing) that I was right when I rubbished your "Orun Oba Igodomigodo" proposition. Lol


(2) Regarding your second point:

Wait, why do you Edo Nairalanders often assume that the Yorubas originally meant to say Edo when we talk of Orun Oba Ado??

This assumption is annoying, sickening, and nauseous. Y'all should stop assuming!

Now listen carefully: When the Yorubas say Ado in relation to your land, we do not intend to say Edo. Ado is what we just said. Gosh!

If you want to know why, then that's a separate issue. You ask!

Moreover, I will be patiently waiting for the historical evidence with which you supported your imaginatibe side point on Ado-Ekiti.


(3) The Ado you mentioned in your point (3) here is not even the name of a place of a person.

The point you've brought up here is so unrelated to the issue at hand by humdreds of years.

How did you even get to this?

Oh, just in case you didn't know, the King Ado of Lagos here is not even a Bini. To be emphatic, he is Yoruba --- full blooded Awori-Yoruba man of direct Ife royal descent.

But this is a side-point. Do not cease this as an opportunity to distract.

Lets face the burial issue squarely for now!

samuk:
Since according to your earlier submission, Ado is synonymous with the people and areas Ife princes established, why is Lagos and all other places in Yoruba land that claim Ife ancestry not called Ado

Does it not make more sense to you that any place in Yoruba land with the word or name Ado is referencing the past relationship that place had with Benin in the past. Towns such as Ado Ekiti and Oba Ado of Lagos. Same as Onitsha N' Idu reference of Benin.

The word Ado has nothing to do with Ife princes establishing anything.

And this your grandson of Oranmiyan the Itsekiri brought to Lagos that was given land by the Aworis. Where did he come from, who sent him to Lagos and to go and do what on whose order.

samuk:
Are you saying the descendants of your Olofin gave birth to the Lagos monarchy and the second Oba of Lagos, Oba Ado. If not what are the names of Ife/Awori Obas of Lagos before the Benin annexed Eko/Lagos and established the monarchy.

Since according to your earlier submission, Ado is synonymous with the people and areas Ife prince established, why is Lagos and all other places in Yoruba land that claim Ife ancestry not called Ado

samuk:
Which of the Ife prince went and Established Lagos considering that Oba Ado who reigned from 1630-1669 was the second Oba of Lagos. He was son of Ashipa, whom the Oba of Benin appointed as the first ruler of Eko. Ado's son, Gabaro was the third Oba of Lagos.

samuk:
Don't you think it would have made more sense if the fabricators had simply called that site Oru Oba Igodomigodo because this was the name Benin was known by during the reign of Oba Eweka 1, son of Oranmiyan.

Oyepapa:
500 serious buyer

TAO11:
Cool stuff! But not absolute in its accuracy though.

We have to be careful where we get our information from.

An information is NOT error-free/redoubtable SIMPLY because it exists in digital form and found on the WWW.

No, what matters is the repute and authority of its references.

And when I checked the references for the piece at the link, I found ... guess what! ... "Wikipedia" and "Wikimeda".

It's no secret that such "references" are generally impotent in an academic discourse, and are almost always spurious.

On the other hand, Ife is one of the earliest empires (if not the earliest) of the Soudan, introducing monarchy institution to several peoples of the West Africa forest, including Igodomigodo and a considerable region of Modern Ghana!

To get a clearer picture, one may want to first have a basic appreciation of what an empire is:

"An empire is a major political unit having a territory of great extent or a number of territories or people under a single sovereign authority."

--- Merriam-Webster.

The earliest known documentation on the West Africa region is Ibn Battûta's 1352 "Voyages to Asia and Africa" wherein he used specifically matching descriptions of what is termed "Empire" in Europe.

In relation to Ife, he refers to it using the term "country". That is --- an extensive political territory comprising a number of units or states.

He also notes its monarch as not simply "king", but also as a "sovereign". That is, one possessing supreme political power.

He describes this "sovereign" as "one of the greatest kings" "of the Soudan."

And he describes this country's defence as impenetrable even by the "white man".

These descriptions of Ife was of a time when Ife was at its apogee, that is --- between the 12th to the 15th centuries.

A time, most of when, Oyo and Benin were not even yet born as organized kingdoms.

A time when Ife's influence "spanned eastward to the Niger River and westward to what is today southern Togo."

A time when Ife's commercial power extends far beyond to "as far away as Ghana Mali and Mauritania."


Ife, ibi ojumo tii mo wa!
Ife, where the daylight shines forth from! (lit.).
Ife, where civilization proceeds from! (functional)

samuk:
Benin know the Omoluabi Yorubas and most don't engage in revisionist history and to that extent, we share cordial relationships with them. It's the fake majority that tries to shout down the voices of these Omoluabis

samuk:
Who is more authentic when it comes to history is not by population or land mass.

Rome is now almost just confined to the Vatican today and that doesn't mean that they didn't civilised Europe.

Rome colonised England for 400 years and we can still see their many footprints all over England and Europe.

Can you compare the size and population of England let alone the rest of Europe they once control with Rome today?

Like I said before, to engage some of you is to belittle one self.

samuk:
Shivering?

The Benin know that current day Yorubas are made up of the original indigines that inhabit that space and those whose ancestors were returned from Latin America, Sierra Leone after the abolition of slavery and those from Dahomey.

When we hear some of you saying, Benin never did this, Benin never did that, we understand because your ancestors may not have been returned to Nigeria from Latin America where they were cutting sugar canes and picking cottons from sugar cane and cotton plantations of Latin America.

When the Benin is reluctant to engage some Yoruba, they are just avoiding downgrading themselves because you don't know who you may be engaging because Yorubas come in different shades and colours.

Not all who claim to be Yorubas are Omo luwabi.

Some of you are the ones that argue Lagos history and history of Lagos monarchy with the Oba of Lagos.

One of your compatriots has already told you guys how Benin decimated everything around them, she may be the only true and original Yoruba indigines around here that knows her/Yoruba history, I do not expect the rest of you to know and that's fine by us because your ancestors were not around then.


You can keep arguing with yourselves.

samuk:
If political correctness is the only issue here, no problem, point taken but we will not allow our beautiful Igbo wives to become citizens of one funny yeye country that will be called Biafra.

Lumig:
Better option than to dey provide non-existing medical care. Ekiti arguably has the worst medical facilities in Nigeria

davidnazee:
I know you don’t know the meaning of revisionist because if you do then you will know that it’s you Yorubas that are actually the revisionists..