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I will certainly go with the 3rd if I were you; talking from experience and long term satisfaction. However, only if she'd leave the secretary job for personal business.

1-1m if not converted here.

... couldn't find these roads there; Ilorin - Ado, Ilésà - Ado - Akure, Ifaki - Ikole - Kabba.

Igbochief001:
Same igbos made fulani mayor of enugu ?
Was it not yorubas that voted ziks party ? ... thought u people claimed everything in politics is about interest ?
Why didn't u allow peoples wish to matter

That Zik was voted for from ncnc did not automatically make him the premier of the Western Region that also had others from AG, etc.

Did Azikiwe win in the Western house and he was denied from being premier?

Are you saying the position of Mayor of a coal mining town that had many people from different tribes is the same with the position of premier, Eastern region or Western region or Northern region?

Haven't you seen commissioners, legislative members, DGs, etc of other tribes in Lagos and elsewhere?

Igbochief001:
You people are so short sighted ...u have shown tribalism and hatred to a man for years ... because u need him now u want him to form government with u ?

When awolow sacked alafin of Oyo because he was friend with zik in 1955 he didn't think

When he brought tribalism to make zik party to lose majority in South West ..he didn't think

No body was willing to negotiate with awolowo ...he was spoiling zik in front of the north and north in front of zik without knowing they were talking to

Oga don't disgrace yourself here go and study history ...from 1950 down till date ...u would know every action igbos took against yorubas were revenge ...never did the igbo man start anything

So you expected Igbomen from Eastern region to be in charge of two out of three regions as if Yorubas and other tribes in the Western Region should not be in charge of their region... everything was even done through politicking.

All I see is greed. Can you point to your overwhelming benefits from your pacts with Almadu Bello and co.

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Make your choice out of these for 2004-2006 Camry:

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Adiola:
ewedu muslims are in shock

A Fula rubbishes your entire tribe but you're comparing your entire tribe with a single Yoruba man, whom he referred to as old... this is the height of cowardice..

OVB123:
They did it to obafemi awolowo in 1979 general election by declaring shehu shegari as the president of the country, they did it to MKO Abiola in 1993, when he thought that is already the president of nigeria and was awaiting the result to be declared but ooo no, the then military president - ibrahim babangida annulled the election. Now it is time for the jagaban of lagos (tinubu) to be politically dared with very hard in a way that he will not 4get in his life time. i just pity him.

Wish you people could read and understand...

He castigated and reduced a whole tribe, Igbo to nothing; by saying they would never rule their own country. He only said Tinubu is old to rule not mentioning Yoruba but you already mocking yourself in public forum leaving the main message.

femmyapson:
lemme know wen ds hit FP

Good news if genuine. That road linking the two states is one of the worst in the country. Thought Buhari and Fasola Had abandoned Ekiti, no Federal presence at all.

By Dr Chinedu Akabuike


1. Why do we hate Tinubu? What for?
2. Tinubu never worked with federal or
Eastern Nigeria let alone stealing money from
Ndi Igbo.
He never worked as Minister or taken any
Federal Appointment!
3. He never joined APGA let alone sabotaging
our Party's interest?
4. Tinubu didn't meddle in Igbo internal affairs
either!
5. Why do we call him thief? What did he
steal?
6. We call Yoruba "slaves". We never reflect
on what it means to be slaves in the true
sense of the word.
7. We are putting mouth in Lagos politics
without caution, yet we have a proverb that
says it is the foolish housefly that follows the
corpse into the grave.
8. Can Yoruba man become an Association or
Local Government Chairman in the East? Let
us be sincere with ourselves. Yet we enjoy all
these privileges here including Assembly
Membership!
9. Why asking for what we can't give?
10. We are here helping the "slaves" to
develop their land. Who then is a slave?
10b. You call their city a no man's land so
that we can further be enslaved slaving to
develop it, and our generations are wasted
gloating over mere privileges. Who is a slave.
Do we actually think?
11. Can Yoruba tell Okorocha "o to gee" in
Owerri? He doesn't even need it. He is too
intelligent to die for a pot of ofe manu or
nothing.
12. After the civil war, for many of us who
were old enough to have witnessed it, the
Yoruba were the first to open their arms to
receive and accept us as we were, crude
savages in search for means of survival. It
was regardless of what we equally did to
them before and during the civil war. No party
to the civil war was innocent! I also remember
not paying any rent among Yoruba guys
without a penny for my first 3years in Lagos
and another 2 years in Ibadan.
13. Can we survive Yoruba attack in Yoruba
land if they actually mean to? Will an Mbaise
man cooperate with the Nsukka or Afikpo, or
the Imo with Anambara?
14. If we all decide to relocate at once,
Babangida send me home phenomena is still
in the memory of some of us who survived the
incessant and uncontrollable spate of robbery
across the Onitsha bridge. How many people
will want to go in spide of our empty pride?
15. If Yoruba people are as foolish as we
foolishly think, why agitating? How will
agitating be to our benefit?
16. Why not "O to gee" in Abia, Enugu or
Owerri?
17. Can a man from Aba become a
Commissioner or P.S. in Enugu State Civil
Service? Yet it happened here! Why not be
careful.
18. We adopted APGA and but "wisely" voted
PDP. How was Tinubu our headache. Was he
the cause of our downfall? Why always blame
others for our inabilities and want to take glory
for any small thing we think we have done
well and even overblow it?
19. We claim we were so creative during the
civil war. Now history. We also claim every
made in Nigeria is from Aba. But go to Oyo
and Oshogbo to see what "lazy" mechanics
are doing quietly in the automobile industry,
yet we make noise that other ethnics are
either mumu or lazy except we (alagbara ma
mero baba ole; the most hardworking humans
who cannot develop their own land
unfortunately).
20. Why looking for avoidable problem? Why?
21. It was you in the North being attacked, in
Malaysia being killed, in Gabon and Ghana
being molested. 99.9% of Nigerians killed in
South Africa are of Igbo extraction, and
sometimes by fellow 'hardworking' Igbo. Why?
22. We choose Kanu and he dictates to us
without consultation with any one of us. They
choose Tinubu who becomes a hero among
them by bowing to or adopting the choice of
their majority. Why are we angry?
We choose Azikwe and they choose Awolowo.
How are they more mumuish followers than
ourselves?
Zik became a president and we gained from
it, Awo was only a premier, but we are only
struggling to beat their records in all
ramifications including education till today.
How are they mumus?
We choose APGA and they choose APC, why
agitating?
Yoruba are yet to say Tinubu is their problem
why do we want to die for nothing?
Why working in APGA but planning to collect
salaries in APC?
I pray for the success of Biafra, but do we still
remember that as Igbo we will automatically
become foreigners on the streets of the Lagos
we call a no Man's land?
How many of us will actually want to relocate
home, should Biafra actualises or if if
citizenship is on the condition that you
relinquish all other citizenship in Africa? I
leave that answer to the individual.
Nwayo nwayo biko unu.

EngineerBode:
Direct primary during covid 19. APC are so thoughtless

However, during same covid-19, it was very thoughtful of PDP governments to conduct LGA elections and won all seats in Benue and Cross rivers recently.

ProfDview1:
Ur leaders in the east are still slave to North...
Ur father Azikwe betrayed the South and went to the North.. Deal with that

Oduduwa come or not, we Yorubas live well.. We dont give a fvck.. 2023, we are ruling again


U Sud be concerned about igbo plight coz u can never rule Nigeria....

U can't even get Biafra... So u lost in two ways

They are simply obsessed with Yorubas and could not see logs in their own eyes and the terrible situation they are in.

One of them wrote this:

By Dr Chinedu Akabuike

1. Why do we hate Tinubu? What for?
2. Tinubu never worked with federal or
Eastern Nigeria let alone stealing money from
Ndi Igbo.
He never worked as Minister or taken any
Federal Appointment!
3. He never joined APGA let alone sabotaging
our Party's interest?
4. Tinubu didn't meddle in Igbo internal affairs
either!
5. Why do we call him thief? What did he
steal?
6. We call Yoruba "slaves". We never reflect
on what it means to be slaves in the true
sense of the word.
7. We are putting mouth in Lagos politics
without caution, yet we have a proverb that
says it is the foolish housefly that follows the
corpse into the grave.
8. Can Yoruba man become an Association or
Local Government Chairman in the East? Let
us be sincere with ourselves. Yet we enjoy all
these privileges here including Assembly
Membership!
9. Why asking for what we can't give?
10. We are here helping the "slaves" to
develop their land. Who then is a slave?
10b. You call their city a no man's land so
that we can further be enslaved slaving to
develop it, and our generations are wasted
gloating over mere privileges. Who is a slave.
Do we actually think?
11. Can Yoruba tell Okorocha "o to gee" in
Owerri? He doesn't even need it. He is too
intelligent to die for a pot of ofe manu or
nothing.
12. After the civil war, for many of us who
were old enough to have witnessed it, the
Yoruba were the first to open their arms to
receive and accept us as we were, crude
savages in search for means of survival. It
was regardless of what we equally did to
them before and during the civil war. No party
to the civil war was innocent! I also remember
not paying any rent among Yoruba guys
without a penny for my first 3years in Lagos
and another 2 years in Ibadan.
13. Can we survive Yoruba attack in Yoruba
land if they actually mean to? Will an Mbaise
man cooperate with the Nsukka or Afikpo, or
the Imo with Anambara?
14. If we all decide to relocate at once,
Babangida send me home phenomena is still
in the memory of some of us who survived the
incessant and uncontrollable spate of robbery
across the Onitsha bridge. How many people
will want to go in spide of our empty pride?
15. If Yoruba people are as foolish as we
foolishly think, why agitating? How will
agitating be to our benefit?
16. Why not "O to gee" in Abia, Enugu or
Owerri?
17. Can a man from Aba become a
Commissioner or P.S. in Enugu State Civil
Service? Yet it happened here! Why not be
careful.
18. We adopted APGA and but "wisely" voted
PDP. How was Tinubu our headache. Was he
the cause of our downfall? Why always blame
others for our inabilities and want to take glory
for any small thing we think we have done
well and even overblow it?
19. We claim we were so creative during the
civil war. Now history. We also claim every
made in Nigeria is from Aba. But go to Oyo
and Oshogbo to see what "lazy" mechanics
are doing quietly in the automobile industry,
yet we make noise that other ethnics are
either mumu or lazy except we (alagbara ma
mero baba ole; the most hardworking humans
who cannot develop their own land
unfortunately).
20. Why looking for avoidable problem? Why?
21. It was you in the North being attacked, in
Malaysia being killed, in Gabon and Ghana
being molested. 99.9% of Nigerians killed in
South Africa are of Igbo extraction, and
sometimes by fellow 'hardworking' Igbo. Why?
22. We choose Kanu and he dictates to us
without consultation with any one of us. They
choose Tinubu who becomes a hero among
them by bowing to or adopting the choice of
their majority. Why are we angry?
We choose Azikwe and they choose Awolowo.
How are they more mumuish followers than
ourselves?
Zik became a president and we gained from
it, Awo was only a premier, but we are only
struggling to beat their records in all
ramifications including education till today.
How are they mumus?
We choose APGA and they choose APC, why
agitating?
Yoruba are yet to say Tinubu is their problem
why do we want to die for nothing?
Why working in APGA but planning to collect
salaries in APC?
I pray for the success of Biafra, but do we still
remember that as Igbo we will automatically
become foreigners on the streets of the Lagos
we call a no Man's land?
How many of us will actually want to relocate
home, should Biafra actualises or if if
citizenship is on the condition that you
relinquish all other citizenship in Africa? I
leave that answer to the individual.
Nwayo nwayo biko unu.

Sold

VirginSearcher:
APC bunch of scammers.. that's how they said they are building 2nd Niger bridge.. awon mad people!. Till generation to come this administration will remain the most useless

I can't remember when Enugu State being ruled by APC because those pedestrian bridges at Gariki and Mayor are state government projects.

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proeast:
You obviously don't know anything about Nigeria politics and how manipulative the north can be. The north knows the SW even more than you know yourself. Just like Awolowo, they can never support any afonja who is desperate like Tinubu. Mark my words today, the drug Lord will never become president and he will die trying just like Awo and Abiola.

Now, let me school you on what is going to happen by 2023, northerners in APC will give Tinubu the ticket just to rubbish the South's turn. Then while some of them will decamp to PDP, others will remain in APC but all of them will ensure that the Northern candidate in PDP wins.

Ask yourself where Tinubu is going to get his votes from? SE and SS can't and won't vote for Tinubu for obvious reasons, then North will always vote for their own even if he is Lucifer, then only SW will vote for Tinubu.

You guys think you're smart but you all are obviously rookies who don't understand the game.

The north will never vote for a S Westerner, yet you wail and wrote this rubbish.

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coputa:
All the Ewhrujakpor's has gone back home.Urhobo ovo ovoh.

It's so surprising that their population reduced drastically. In Ekiti and many parts of Ondo State then, we used to have several Urhobo communities just like Ebiras; the two were the next main groups after Yorubas everywhere you went; farms, classrooms, churches, social gatherings, etc. Now Igbos have taken Urhobo's spot. Moreover, Ebiras, Tivs, Idoma groups and others keep growing in numbers.

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macof:
Wesley Mohammed is neither a historian nor anthropologist nor is his area of expertise broadly related to finding the origins of West African peoples. He is rather a theologian focused on Islam.
Proper Islamic scholars don't even agree with him or any of the afro centric direction the Nation of Islam takes Islam which is telling a lot.

Many narratives are simply desperate moves to Abrahamize African people.. Yorùbá are not the only ones that suffer this attack.
So it takes a good sense of source critic to identify the historicity of the narratives

Wesley Mohammed doesn't do a bad job in the sense that he tries to make sense of his sources but evidently he is fixed on africanizing Islam that he sometimes quotes authors who maintain a non middle eastern origin for Yoruba but finds away to twist Arabs into the mix ...

First, In his book he attempts to separate the Yoruba into subgroups of different unrelated origins.. This is baseless in real fact
I would love to receive any sort of detail on why anyone would suggest that yoruba subgroups came from different parts of the world and simply met each other in what is now SW Nigeria.
Also his whole position on Arabian origin for Yoruba is based on the oduduwa mecca narrative (I will address this below) which is not based on facts
Thirdly, in his concluding remarks you clearly get a sense of his intention which is to claim that Islam is an African origin, created by Black Arabs and meant for their descendants all over Africa

See the discrepancy?


2. This point of reference to oduduwa would only be relevant if we were still stuck on the idea of a middle eastern origin for oduduwa
[just as some people claimed the Yoruba from inception were from the middle East, many also claimed oduduwa came from the middle East to meet aboriginals]

Rather, appreciation for Ife traditions point to Oduduwa being in fact a local Yoruba man born and breed on a hill community east of the main city before descending and relocating to Igbodio
So there was no case of "the language of the immigrants was lost to the language of the aborigines"
Unless you have empirical facts that indeed oduduwa was not local to this part of the world

Might shock you to be told this after years of hearing oduduwa came from mecca right? But ask yourself where that narrative originates from and what sort of relic supports this


3. There is no basis for the statement that the Semitic language speakers and Kwa language speakers were living in the site of the sahara speaking one language before its desertification

I don't also support the motive of Wesley Muhammad of seeing everything through Arabian; believing that Oyo-yorubas, Hausas, Borgu were from Arabia. Moreover, suggesting that Oduduwa and Kisra are same, his proposition that the Bible stories took place in the Arabian rather than Philistines and Syria or Cannan was in Arabia is lacking...

I was only looking for where to quote Isola Olomola and Modupe Oduyoye, a Nigerian historian and a linguist in response to your proposition that we're always Kwa speaking family of Niger-Congo...and I found this in his book. I was expecting your response on Olomola and Oduyoye's not muhammad. Notwithstanding, nice response, Bro.

macof:
6. Yoruba Language is not the same as Egyptian coptic language. If a Yoruba man were spoken to or give a text in coptic language, he would not understand a thing
Yoruba was used extensively in many parts of the lower Guinea as a lingua franca.
How does Yoruba being spoken in the Bini and Dahomean courts relate to Yoruba being of semitic origin?
Stop going off topic

What do you have to say about this;
quoting from Wesley Muhammad, PhD, 'The Black Arabian Origins of the Yoruba' Page 25-26:

we have pointed out that ArabianEgyptian origins never applied to the whole “Yorùbá” linguistic group, just as it does not apply to the whole Edo linguistic group. There is thus no necessary conflict between linguistic data and oral tradition. The seventh century Arabian immigrants into Yorubaland via Egypt met people already in the land, and these Kwa-speaking peoples had been in the land for centuries certainly, maybe millennia.

As Isola Olomola nicely informs us:

parts of Ife, Ijesa, Ekiti and Ijebu, etc., were inhabited by people with some measure of sophisticated political culture before the advent of Oduduwa…Thus, the common belief that the origin of Ile-Ife and the entire Yoruba world, as well as their social and political culture, dated from Oduduwa, needs some modification. What can be traced to Oduduwa is the emergence of a new dynasty and to a new political culture.

120 Olomola makes another point of crucial importance here:

121 the considerable amount of material and non-material culture of the autochthonous inhabitants that survived the political takeover shows beyond any reasonable doubt that the immigrant aristocratic group associated with Oduduwa was numerically inferior to the host community and was culturally absorbed (emphasis added). Because the Odùdúwà group was culturally absorbed, the linguistic identity of the resulting “Yorùbá” would have been that of the indigenous Kwa-speaking groups, which is exactly what the linguistic evidence tells us. The language of the immigrants is lost. However, it left enough of an impact on the host language for us to make an educated guess about what it was. The linguistic evidence in fact shows extensive contact with Egyptian and Near Eastern languages. If Lucas produced his theory of an Ancient Egyptian-Yorùbá relationship without the benefit of training as a linguist, Nigerian Modupe Oduyoye is a linguist (and exegete) specializing in Yorùbá, Semitic, and Ancient Egyptian languages.

In 1968 Oduyoye published an important article, “Yoruba and Semitic Languages,” arguing a genetic relationship between these two language groups. 122 He later was able to argue specifically and explicitly that “Yoruba, is related to Hebrew.” 123 Oduyoye has a very reasonable explanation for the genetic relationship between Yorùbá and Hebrew: the linguistic evidence…suggests that the ancestors of the Hebrews and the ancestors of black Africans once lived in the same speech community…from a common shrine which I locate in the Sahara before its dessication, the ancestors of the Jews migrated east at the time of the dessicating Sahara while the ancestors of black Africans migrated south. Neither stopped until they got to a viable river-the Nile, the Jordan, the Tigris, the Euphrates to the east; the Kwara (Niger), the Binuwe (Benue), the Kongo, the Zambesi to the south.


124 119 Atanda, “Samuel Johnson,” 101. 120 Isola Olomola, “Ife Before Oduduwa,” in The Cradle of a Race (Ife From the Beginning to 1980), ed. I.A. Akinjogbin (Lagos: Sunray Publications, 1992) 51 [51-61]. 121 Olomola, “Ife Before Oduduwa,” 57-58. 122 Modupe Oduyoye, “Yoruba and Semitic Languages,” Nigeria Magazine 99 (1968): 304-308. 123 Modupe Oduyoye, “The Spirits that Rule the world: African Religions & Judaism,” in African Origins of the Major World Religions, ed. Amon Saba Saakana (London: Karnak House, 1991) 59. .....

Billiebaba:
I don't mean to be rude, but do you have to consider other people's opinions before having money, it's like asking people I want to be rich, but my uncle said is better to be poor.
Just do what you love bro, anything that gives you joy no matter the kind of challenges you face while doing it. I'm an auto technician specialize in troubleshooting of problems in powertrain management and electrical system. If I get a vehicle that has been going from one workshop to another without getting remedy, I'm always happy to repair that kinda of car, because it gives me a special kinda of joy if I'm able to fix it.

Nice one bro. Don't just want to give advice that I would later be blamed for... hence, expert opinion matters considering his age and ambition to relocate abroad. You already said the hard fact.

Olu317:
Thanks for your input. It is pertinent for the people who tried so much to affix the Yoruba identity to Niger Benue as the place of her origin, when infact, the reversal is the case of migration from Ileife that has always taken place to even Niger Benue confluence. So.pathetic

Secondly, in my part of Yoruba which is one of the numerous places where my ancestors migrated to, call father as Aba,Abba,Uba. These three are interchangeable. While mother is “ Iye "and not Iya as used often in generally Keoine language.

Thirdly, the Iwo Eleru people are not traceable in Yoruba bloodline. Perhaps, the earlier ancestors of Yoruba either assimilated or exterminated or chase many of these people out of her
contact with them. These people did have pygmy link dna link,whom the Yoruba called ‘Iwin'.

Fourthly, no matter how much you showcase glaring truh via ideograms knowledge on this platform, you have not done enough because one is tagged as non historian.These antagonists, will say Yoruba emerged from Niger Benue people yet no link with any group that have suvh information. And they do tbese damnation because they can't interpret the artifacts that are simply ideograms of Yorubas at the expense of lacking the interpenetrating such artifacts


Do these people know how cowries from Noeth Africa emerged in Yoruba land as a legal tender ?

Do these people know Yorubas arrow is not of West Africa's origin ?

Do these people know agada(scimitar) did not originate in Africa ?

Do these people even know that Yoruba language was once spoken jn Egypt as Coptic Egyptians language ?


Bro, let the antagonists continue but for awhile because once my book is ready in the future, they will have the opportunity to know meaning of some artifacts tbat have eluded their knowledge.

I actually believe most of what you said up...
Firstly, my people believe that 'Irahurẹ' people were very short, hence the name; Ira or eèrà is for ant and húrẹ́ or úrẹ́-úrẹ́ is for something/someone so minored; they disappeared or moved away easily as soon as they saw others. I now believe they were pygmies because they were the first people to inhabit West Africa about 10,000 years ago. They were so small in number and many of them moved back to where they came from, towards central Africa. They were from the stone age and were the oldest in Central Africa with their neighbours to the south, the Khoisan people.

https://www.lonelyplanet.com/west-africa/background/history/a/nar/facae734-6770-4bcf-8115-cd0c82879f6b/1333574

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2009/02/short-history-african-pygmies

https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/how-africa-became-black



On the other hand, there had been human activities around Egypt about 100,000 BC... and when you look at our language, there are lots of common words shared with people of ancient Egypt and M/East..Then, how come? Nothing bad in trying to look toward East or MENA to see where was that ancient Ìfẹ...

absoluteSuccess:
Very well said bro, just as in the sense, "aluyo ni ki temi o je" or to "luti", such as in pierced ears. That's the true transitive meaning of the subtle word.

Thus, lu (re) is where the verb is coming from. The Yoruba is like English in this sense where we have transitive verbs. Then when set theory applies, all are derivative of the original.

Nonetheless Tao made a succinct connection on the metamorphosis of Aba to ilu that I've learned from. You sure will be amazed at the mysteries behind our language.

Aba, a homestead. I think the script for baba runs from here in the coding of the ancestors. BaAba, Baaba, baba keepe, Ab'-aba: baba Aba. Abi Aba means the owner of the homestead.

Iba, a homestead too favoured by Tao, but it's subtly connected to a "Reverend" father, or a venerable father. Iba Gani Adams comes to mind, or more historical, Iba Oluyole Igbo. Perhaps this variant is the particular source for Oba. Iba- Oba.

Baale, baale.

Baale mi, my husband, "baale" town Head, baale is the master of the house, father of the house. Baale, town Head. Its Ile that to (ileto) to become a town presided over by the baale.

But its also said, "baale okoolu". Then baale (town) is derivative of baale (home). Then there's no difference in their origin in spite of vocal difference of the words.

The formation of natural group to title group still runs in Yoruba as of old. That's the connection that tao's contribution helps unravelled. Things still exists that we can't see until someone stumble upon them.

You have a great mental strength bro. I always respect your inputs.

In my own dialect, Abba or Àbá(due to new Yoruba language not tolerating two consonants together except 'gb', though we still have 'Kabba, Atta, etc') simply means 'Father'; Àba = someone over all. Àbarìṣà = Father lord or Father of all Oriṣa. Àbá or Àba rẹ = your father, for instance, Àba rẹ a gbe ọ. It's for God, Àbá Eledumare or oldest/elderly male or father, which has variation like 'Iba' or to some extent 'Baba'.

Until we overcome self egos, emotions and ready to tolerate others' views and works to reach harmonized agreement, that's when we would have common Yorubas' history.

If we think about experts, experts and without doing anything now, then we are failing... but I appreciate what we're doing here because everything is documented on the web whether it's the truth or not. However, it's better than what we had centuries ago, only oral and few documentation. We can weigh all this using what we have at hand, e.g, artifacts, dialects, culture and traditions to reveal who we are.

We deceive ourselves if we just conclude that Yorubas have just one creation in one place, one migration or one source. There are actually numerous oral traditions, hence some confusion. To begin with, several historians had concluded that people were not in West Africa about 10,000 years ago. The Sahara desert was not also a desert at a time in history. I believe with more archeological works, a lot of things will be discovered but for our tropical region, this is difficult.

When I was growing up, I used to sit with my very old grandmothers and all I always wanted from them was what happened in those days, what their fathers, great grandparents told them, not stories or àlọ̀. I was surprised that most things I had from them are also those things in the documented history of my town, though fewer and some others...

From the story of my town...we have main four sets of people, the most ancient which I always relate to be the same at Iwo Eleru, I called them the Atlantis, my people called them something like the 'Irahurẹ'. The second group are the 'Ulesun people', these are Obatala people who worshipped lots of gods and looked to Ìfẹ... People like Agboniregun baba ifá, Ogun Onire, etc. According to the 'Itan' in my place, these people were later joined by another set of people who were very related to them but were from the east (maybe river Niger area because their leader is called atta till today, e.g Atta of Aiyede). My own family was among the 3rd set, we came from Ìfẹ after settled near Ilésà, Owena, Oba-Ile, Bini, back to Ido - Ani, Emure, Àgbàdo, Ado and finally present town, where we met Urahurẹ́s and Ulesuns and became their kingship...The 4th sets of people had diverse origins, some are lighter in complexion and my people called them 'strange' people...

Today, we're the same people just like our older generations believe they were the same people with different migration periods. Each also had its oral history; one can choose anyone to follow or believe. They might have closely related dialects or not but almost same traditions in circumcision, naming their children 8th day, Akehinde gbegbon believe, believe in supreme God called Eledumare, Ẹlẹda,, Eledua, Aba'riṣa, etc. My people actually believe they are one, each house or family with what they worship except Eegun, no masquerades in my town. Our own is Ogun(definitely Lẹgbara inclusive) and Umọlẹ (there are Ẹpa and Oge); Some other families, IFA, Osun, Osanyin, etc. Ọpa (serious beating with Àtòrì is for every youth because we must be ready to endure pains). And in those days, when we wanted to marry, the male dipped his hand inside a gourd containing all sorts of poisonous snakes, Scorpion and stinging insects... to know whether he's ready to house a woman. In my family, we slaughtered ram and buffalo for male birth and marriage and death in those days but now mainly roosters but if you have money for ram, you go for it...

Oral traditions will definitely be varied and sometimes change with humans' input to suit their egos. there are two other sets of people I didn't talk about, the Muslims and Christians. If you meet every group today, each has its stories.
Let us find a common ground. Go back to your towns, find out their history...