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I am expecting another round of hate for the next 8-9months

Davidblen:
Forget all this peter obi noise all over, South-south and south east will surely vote for PDP, they are have always practiced one way politics, North and will support atiku, the only tinubu will win is South west

Its hard to say but its the truth

The votes from SW this time around will cancel the SS and SE combined the battle is in the north.
Tinubu, Kwankwaso and Atiku.

We don talk am before.
Politics is local

Jagaban on this one!

As if they won't still vote Atiku as usual.

GODPUNISHALABI:
see this one, north are all working together whether apc or pdp to demarket tinubu u dey call am loyalty, the guy just dey use tinubu misyarn to pour more fuel to the fire you dey call am loyalty, you sef think am have u ever seen a northerner insulting their brother , for ur mind now you think shettima dey beef lawan on behalf of tinubu, lol even lawan will endorse this message, if its taqiyya the North practice it more than even the yoruba muslims

So you think the North will trust a Pastor over a Muslim from the south? A man they can all pray with in the mosque.
I just like how the anti Tinubu guys are making this more about religion because that would be a reason why Atiku will defeat Osibanjo or any non Muslim in the general election. If the south will support Osibanjo or any non Muslim because he's a Christain why should the north turn their backs against Atiku?
This is interesting!

MartinsD12:
Tinubu can never defeat atiku, it's impossible.

But Pastor Osibanjo will defeat him?

Help2020:
And you think that person is tinubu?
Tell me which state in south south and south east Tinubu will win.

He can confidently win the Election without the SS and SE. The vote from SW will cancel the two regions. The battle is in the north where Atiku as the upper hand.

Atiku will win by 12pm already

StrongAlphMale:
Tinubu is too greedy honestly. If not for his greed and selfish interest, he would have quickly Supported South East for president so that we can all defeat these northerners once and for all. But of course, his greed and selfish interest will not allow him to do that.

Meanwhile, if Peter obi will need one more vote to win the 2023 elections. That vote is mine!!!!!

Same APC that's a Fulani party according to you people. Same APC that got only 150k vote in the whole SE. The SE hates APC but like PDP the reverse is the case in SW and Tinubu in his life has never been in PDP.

StrongAlphMale:
In a sane country, Tinubu would not be allowed to contest for any political office. Man is a notorious thug And a complete criminal.

If not for greed, Tinubu ought to have retired from politics and have his grand children playing around with him in his house.

But Atiku can contest abi?

Tissaia:
lemme let you on a secret. We northerners voted Buhari because of corruption, we prefer Osibanjo to continue the fight. Tinubu somehow magically clinch the ticket we will vote Atiku, at least Atiku will invest in the north when he steal it. There's no way in hell tinubu becoming Nigeria's president get that into you skull. I repeat there's no way in hell tinubu will become Nigeria's president. Repeat this mantra till you get it

But Osibanjo will invest in the north and not the church...
The key northerners are queueing behind Tinubu and it's for a reason. Tinubu is more welcomed in the north than a pastor.

CoolAmbience:
Good question.

25% in two third the states was what Tinubu, Amaechi, Onu, Okorocha, Wammako and co, helped to achieve.

Yes...25%.
Don't forget Buhari won 5 SW states in both 15 and 19 but none in SS and SE[quote author=M1Garand post=113426833]If you have majority votes without getting 25% in two third state you can't be president that's why no one can be president by winning the north alone like Buhari always did before the merger.

Now is getting 25% in two third the states more important than getting the majority of the votes in the election?[/quote]If you have majority votes without getting 25% in two third state you can't be president that's why no one can be president by winning the north alone like Buhari always did before the merger.

Don't forget Buhari won 5 SW states in both 15 and 19
If Tinubu had supported Jonathan in 2015 and Buhari went with his usual Pastor Bakare from south west would he have won He needed the structure and Tinubu gave him that. In my street then it was foot soldiers that were coming house to house to call us out, to come out and vote. That's what they call structure.

CoolAmbience:
Did Tinubu help Buhari to become president. The answer is a resounding yes.

Was he the only one who helped Buhari become president. The answer a big no. I also did. Nigerians, in all parts of the country, did.

Amaechi did. Tambuwal did. Oyegun did. Rochas did. Akande did. Oshiomhole did. TY Danjuma did. Saraki did. Onu did. Fashola did. Wammako did. Obasanjo even did too, by his public rejection of Jonathan and the PDP.

It was not just Tinubu alone that did it. He must not feel so entitled to the position. He won't be president, and that is final.

One singular fact that people never mention is that Buhari helped himself become president more than anyone else. He did it thrice before 2015. He built massive momentum and cult-like followership, especially in the North, over a period of over a decade, before the merger happened.

One could also say, without an iota of doubt, that without a candidate like Buhari, APC would not have been able to dislodge the PDP in 2015. Buhari helped Tinubu emerge from being a regional player into a major national political figure.

Buhari had presided Nigeria before 2015. He was Head of State in 1984. He was not just an obscure, opportunist politician that Tinubu gave a helping hand.

So, someone should tell Tinubu to stop this childishness. His wife is a Senator on APC ticket; his cousin, Oyetola, is Osun governor on APC ticket; his political godsons are vice president, Works & Housing minister and Speaker on the APC ticket. The entire Lagos and APC in the Southwest have been practically left under Tinubu's control.

Buhari delivered the multi billion naira Lagos-Ibadan Expressway in the Southwest. He also delivered the Lagos-Ibadan Railway. Apapa-Oshodi-Oworonshoki Highway has been completed, among several other projects in the Southwest.

Nobody will surrender Nigeria's presidency to anyone on account of cheap emotions.

But why didn't Buhari get 25% of votes in two third states in 03,07,11

Sheuns:
Some people made it possible for you to be governor in 1999 too. You didn’t do it alone. Baba leave story.

You played a role no doubt but do not take credits of members of the nPDP that collapsed PDP structure then. The total votes from the south west for APC was less than 2.7M, Kaduna and Kano had more than the entire votes of the South west for the APC.

Olodo take...
Buhari didn't have 25% in two third states in 03,07,11 the south west made it possible in 2015 even if he'd majority votes without that condition he would have lost still because he. Didn't meet that criteria in SE and SS.
Forget popular votes Tinubu and South West were the deciding factor in 2015

E go soon clear for una eyes.
People keep talking about VP of Tinubu as if Vice President over the years have strong electoral value before the election albeit Atiku
Jonathan, Sambo and Osibanjo were largely unknown to majority of Nigerians before they got in as VP. So the talk of Tinubu's vice won't do much to affect the equation. PMB vice all the time he contested were not strong political gurus and I don't see a reason why picking Boss Mustapha or Yakubu Dogara should cause more headache to people.

And those saying Osibanjo should pick a strong vice in order to beat Atiku in the north should stop dreaming. Most presidents and governor's would rather pick a vice that's not so strong than having a strong political figure as vice. Can Osibanjo pick El-Rufai or Ganduje as vice for instance? There's a reason why vp and deputy governor's are not so known, because by Nigerian constitution that post is practically useless. I don't think we have had a situation where the President won because of the Vice. In the eyes of the north the contest is between Atiku and who wins the APC primaries not any Yeye vice.
As if even Osibanjo won his polling unit in 2015.

Well either with Tinubu or without Tinubu this might just be Atiku's time. It's sad but that's the fact.

sonature1:
No state is a template for governing any state in Nigeria. I have a strong conviction that Nigeria should not have a business being in one country because the country is too complicated and diverse to be one. The large population of illiterates and tribalistic people make it even more irritating.

After all, Fashola promised to fix power in 6 months as Lagos governor. When he now got the opportunity to walk the talk, he could not add even 1MW to existing power capacity. This has nothing to do with tribalism so save your whataboutism for another day.

Read my update
This is politics and there's no way you won't talk about your previous success in government. Tinubu uses Lagos has his own reference and Peter Obi has always done the same. I for one don't care what he has achieved in Anambra because I know central is different but there should be know witch-hunting of Tinubu when he uses Lagos as his own metric something that Peter Obi does too. It's as simple as that.

I am for objectivity. In Lagos I can't go outside talking bad about Igbos or hausa's in the bus because I know I am in a cosmopolitan state with lot's of tribes with me in the bus. The same example can be made for Governance. Governing Lagos is a different ball game because you have to appeal to all tribes present.
Have you ever wondered why no Lagos governor has ever carried religion on his head it's because Lagos is multireligious but I am aware Anambra is purely Igbo and Christain state which makes it easier to govern compared with Lagos where you have to manage every of your statement. That's why Tinubu will keep using Lagos as a metric because it's mini Nigeria

sonature1:
Stop calling Lagos a mini-Nigeria.

Lagos is a core Yoruba state with a large population of visitors.

Governing Nigeria is by far different from governing Lagos.

But governing Anambra is a template for governing Nigeria?
At least Lagos is a state with large population of visitor meaning it's cosmopolitan so as Nigeria is. Anambra is not cosmopolitan but when you guys tell us about Obi you make mention of Anambra forgetting it's a largely monoethnic state and monoreligous state which is far from the present day Nigeria.

Gozac:
Forget matter, how many votes did he give PMB in 2015 and 2019 in Lagos state. Remember PMB have been getting 10m votes since 2003. PMB holds the ace in 2023 not Tinubu will

You guy's are unintelligent and are only driven by your hate for the man.

Buhari has never met the 25% condition in two third state across the federation and that's what Tinubu gave him by allowing him get 2/3 across all south west state. In 2015 he didn't get 25% in SS and SE but because of SW he was able to win.
If he won with majority votes and still didn't get the 25% he wouldn't have been declared winner.
That's the importance of what Tinubu did for him.
It's either you guys are unintelligent, sentimental or purely hate filled.
Infact prior to 2015 Buhari has never won any southern state tell me how possible it is to become Nigeria president without winning any state in the south. And not get 25% in any of southern state.

A true Aries!
Na blood e dey. Step down fire

boldtruthalways:
So yiu are not tired of these money politics that will continue to destroy Nigeria? Vote PETER OBI for a new Nigeria.

Can peter obi get 25% of votes in two third state across the federation?

PaChukwudi44:
Better than the SW delegates that gave zero to Fayose and Dele Momodu

South West are not planning to reap where they didn't sow that's why. We have not invested in PDP since 2007 so why wake up one day to request for presidency via a party we loath?

MikoB:
As it is, the only sure aspirant in the apc that will beat Atiku in the apc is Osinbajo, reason been that PYO is the only aspirant that is acceptable in all the six geo political zones in the country, you will be amazed that Osinbajo has more support in the middle belt more than any support he enjoys in his region of South West, also the work he has put in for many months have began to manifest, his candidate won in benue, oyo and adamawa for the governorship to the surprise of many, but for the people that follow him were not surprised anyway. As for the primary coming up, Osinbajo is going to win, because the party knows he is the only that can guarantee victory, let me talk a little bit about other aspirants, and their weaknesses, Asiwaju no doubt is a big politician any day any time, but he miscalculated, he was hoping on southern candidates for both apc and pdp base on the clamour at that time, so he did not bother himself to allign much with the SS and SE also with the Christian communities of the Middle belt, his calculation was that once pdp gives her ticket to either a ss or se person, he will surely have an upper hand in his region of sw and also do very well in the nw and ne, which normally would have guaranteed victory for him but with Atiku as the pdp candidate now, Tinubu wil need new strategy.

Ahmed lawan candidacy wil not fly, because Buhari is about to finish his two term regime under apc, it is impossible for apc to give another northerner her ticket, also Lawan cannot defeat Atiku, one, because they are from the same region of NE and everyone knows Atiku is stronger than him in the NE, Atiku and Kwankwaso will do very well too in the NW, the NC wil be divided among the aspirants, so coming to the south, he will not do well at all no matter whom he picks as his running mate, I trust the south westerners they will not vote for him, the south east has Obi and the south south will be shared depending on whom Atiku picks as his running mate, so lawan will not fly.

Amaechi is another candidate that might do well if given the ticket but his problem is that he has no political base at home and his region, but if he has the support of the president he might be able to put up some fight, but that does not guarantee a victory against Atiku.

with due respect to all other aspirants I did not mention their names, even if Buhari endorses them and they pick up the ticket for the apc, they will not be able to defeat Atiku.

Osinbajo is the only candidate, that will win very well in SW, and also likely win the SS and not do badly in the SE, he will win in the North Central, he will not do badly in the North East because of some Christian population there, he will not do badly in the North West because apc controls most states there and also because if Buhari, so in all, Osinbajo will likely win 4 regions, either will like it or not, religion and ethinicty still play a big part in our politics in nigeria, and I guess these are going to be of advantage to Osinbajo, no wonder he is a movement in the cbhtistain dominated states of plateau, benue, Taraba etc.

You said he will not do badly in the NE because of some Christain population there don't you think he would do badly in the North West because of some Muslim population there? You think some NE will vote Osibanjo because of he's a Christain and don't think majority north west will vote Atiku because he's a Muslim and a Northerner?

Osibanjo will do well with Tinubu full support infact fantastically well. But from his campaign, it's obvious he won't be needing Tinubu's support even if he wins the primaries that way I won't be surprised to see a situation where Tinubu pulls for Atiku his long time friend underground...
And you know what it means. Osibanjo will be haunted by PDP with the performance of Buhari's administration and in a debate it would be difficult for him to justify the administration and he won't be able to speak bad about Buhari either. Fear the power of propaganda.

APC best bet is Tinubu. From Tinubu's message to Atiku you would see a great sense of admiration and if he fails to clinch the ticket he might pull up for Atiku underneath.
PYO is also a good candidate but then propaganda of the PDP will be enough to derail his campaign because they would surely use the ineptitude of this government of which he's part of to campaign against him.
PDP can't claim Tinubu brought in Buhari because Atiku was also part of that movement

Tinubu and Atiku.
Money for money.
Age for age.
Power for power.
Structure for structure.
They cancel eachother out in most ramifications. The question APC should ask each aspirant is can you stop Atiku. Because barring any f up from APC Atiku will be declared winner.

It would be a close match up. But Amaechi and PYO against Atiku. Atiku's experience in contesting elections alone will decimate those two.

SweetDipBenny:
Don't vote for party. Vote for individual with credibility, simple...

If we follow this LP won't be majority in the Senate and house of rep. Meaning he can be impeached at any time by the two ruling parties.

You will vote PDP in state house of assembly, PDP in governorship, PDP in House of assembly and house of rep, PDP in senatorial and now vote Labour Party in Presidency how will it work?

A President that can be impeached within 100days of winning the presidency because I am sure labour party can't beat APC and PDP in the senatorial. Will Obi get 25% in two third states? This are the reasons a strong party is important until we have independent candidate it would be difficult for people like Obi in a lesser known party. And he doesn't have the Persona to start is own party like Tinubu did with AC and Buhari with CPC.

donb06:
And what makes you think the NORTH cares.... Infact the blame of APC loosing will now be placed on South west..because you guys didn't stay back to fight for the party... THIS ONE NA HANDICAP JARE

The west has always been in opposition. Which the south west can easily do by going back to the opposition. It means the tune will change in the north and there would be more defection from APC to PDP. APC governor's will still campaign for their candidate but it would be so obvious that their candidate won't win.

oyatz:
Democracy and party politics hasn't been firmly rooted in Nigeria.

Things like these need to happen in Nigeria so that we will know the depth and maturity of our democracy.



If the APC is defeated, it will teach the future politicians lessons on how not to run a political party.

True! A big lesson will be learnt

juman:
Next president MUST MUST MUST be a Christian person.

If we love ourselves in this country.
God bless Nigeria.

2023 won't be about religion mark it.

Yayi ni joor... Yayi ni jare.

Dem never see something.
West to West.

Duru009:
The only Politician that can defeat Atiku now is GEJ. Tinubu has the structure but lack the national spread and experience of a Presidential election.....

GEJ would cause a revolt in the ruling party. How will they settle aggrieved parties what amount of money would they give Osibanjo, Tinubu and Amaechi for them to change mouth and start supporting him.
This might just be Atiku's Time.

seunmsg:
Alright boss. Lawan is a cool guy but I don’t see a realistic path to victory for him. They will divide north east and west while Atiku will win the entire south. Lawan will be an easy victory for Atiku.

You read the game well... SW will come with protest vote and Atiku will get it. Even Tinubu would rather support Atiku underground.
How will Lawan that has only contested a senatorial district election all his life beat Atiku that's name is already on ground all most all generation knows him from the oldest people in the country to the least eligible children born in 2004. Same with Tinubu. These are household name. APC can kiss South West good bye if it fields Lawan.