₦airaland Forum

alexleo: Frosbel is like a fallen angel. He left a church that has sound word of God and slide into foolishness. His pride tells him he knows bible better now than before. Meanwhile he is wallowing foolishness.

Shebs: Don't go to church, nobody is forcing anybody to go to church. I am a winner member and I pay my tithe regularly. Those who are led by the spirit of God are called the children of God (The book of Romans). If have the spirit of God dwelling inside of you, he will instructs you and guide you from doing wrong. We pay tithe not because Oyedepo preaches about tithe, but because the bibles says so (Malachi 3:6-10).

My friend, do what the bible says without pretense, and wait to see the testimonies. Leave Bishop Oyedepo alone and work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Koachdee: Whatever rubbish said against Oyedepo can't stop me 4rom attendin WINNERS come sunday. Nobody forces any1 2 pay tithes & offerings, so even if I can't afford 2 attent covenant univeristy or ride a jet, I wont stop giving cos its 4 my own good. There are only two types of people: story talkers(Tee mac & others) & history makers(oyedepo)

toba: u're less informed. this 'news' u posted on NL is old and not new. from the same source u can get the facts about PMAN right from when charly boy messed up and then tmac's time at the head of the association

stagger: I defend what is right and what is just. Tee Mac is a fool! A frustrated musician. P-Square, my friend Justice (J-Martins) and a lot of others are winning awards up and down: where is he? Who knows him apart from his flute playing? I play three musical instruments as well so what is the joke about Tee Mac? Who is he?

When Tee Mac was collecting millions for the construction projects, he did not complain. Now he has been cut out and others are benefiting, the monkey takes to Facebook to complain. Nonsense!

toba: l can bet with anything that u're not a millionaire. as a co member of nairaland, i want u to become a millionaire sharp sharp. l have a land of about 700 square metres, can u volunteer to start a church on my land to start collecting tithe like pastors does?

slimming: if you think is easy to gather 5 members in a year go and start one and see how easy to grow to extent to been able to buy airplane.

Tee mac seems some frustration there. sorry, go buy yors.

toba: logicboy, its everything u read on the internet u now believe right? lm not a fan of bishop, neither im i a member, but tmac himself wasnt clean whilst being the head of Pman. he's a fraud as well. he that must come to equity, must do so with clean hands. Tmac is not clean either

Benite: If he thinks opening a church is for tithe let him try and see if demons will not kill him overnight. I think its high time we nigerians start recognising those blessed by God. After all he didnt force any one to pay tithe and those paying arent complaining because they are being blessed by God in return. Though am arent and have never being to winners before but that is the truth.

Ptolomeus: No.
Excuse me, but I do not think Fros do that!
Fros is a person educated and respectful ... you are accusing him of something very ugly.
An individual should be very foolish to copy and paste things from another page ...
No.
I do not think that ...

HQ: What's the big fuss?

You "think" what a fellow did ain't fair, you walk up to them and let 'em know. Not behind their backs, and NO, not on some social network.

To everyone else overflogging this issue, for crying out loud, he used his head there to Open a church. Was it not his idea? Does he have two heads? Did you start it with him? Ever thought of those "humbble beginnings"?

You're crossed because he becomes successful at what he does and gets a couple of jets, well why don't you GO start yours. I mean, it's not like your talking will make him sell all of it and use a commercial airline.

frosbel: run off and play with your toys, we are talking issues here

frosbel: My message is getting across, good

Ihedinobi: I guess that means that you agree then that morality cannot be subjective. The very existence of a necessity for laws means that morality is absolute. The qualities of absolute morality include the three characteristics that you named. So, when people "make" laws using them, they're essentially making statements that appeal to a universal morality, whether they are aware of doing so or not.

Ihedinobi: There are many things in your answers to haibe's posers that I would love to discuss but the above is the first that I want to deal with. From there we may proceed to the others.

Do you realize that by your statement above you have defined the universe as God?

Ihedinobi: You do realize this is a philosophical, particularly existential, discussion. What the nature or personality (or lack of it) of God is is not the question. The question is what God as a concept means.

Ihedinobi: What does the bolded mean?

Ihedinobi: If God caused everything, then God caused time and necessarily exists outside it. Therefore, present, past and future are all the same to Him.

wiegraf: Anony is a robot, I wouldn't be too excited. He'll probably ignore her emotions, use his famous 'logic' and drive her insane. He won't mean any harm of course

inurmind: Seconded macdaddy.
He is totally contradicting his faith.

Especially when he talked about ''appealing to feelings'' other than fact.

Tell me aren't the famous pastors of today, if not most petecoastal pastors the ones that scream and shout and slap. Pls what are they appealing to? Fact? Lol.

Aren't they they the ones who preach about nothing but killing enemies and prosperity. Do u really think they are just trying to attract a handful of people? Really?

If u really want to remain in your religion atleast stop talking like you are really seeking after truth.

Ihedinobi: YEEEEEEEEEEEEAH!!!!!!!!! Now that's what I'm talkin bout @bolded. Anyways, I'm in that loop for sure. Ears on the ground, bro.

Ihedinobi: With due respect to Lord Reed, the op, I do not want to derail your thread into religious arguments. But MacDaddy is like a dog in heat when anyone questions atheism, so I beg to be excused if he decides to start a firestorm over the comments I make. Also, permit me to advise you, @Lord Reed, to excuse or ignore discussions that you feel derail your thread and go on picking the information you seek out of the cacophony of opinions. It will help your peace of mind, I guarantee.

Ihedinobi: MacDaddy, to avoid difficulty in understanding, I will ask you a few questions. I also offer to explain my questions as far as reasonable wherever you have problems understanding them. Here they are:

1. Does the green statement follow from the blue? If yes, how? Please pay particular attention to the underlined word in the green.

2. Can you reconcile the green statement with the red?

3. What do you think the bolded words in the green statement mean?

MacDaddy01: Ignorance.


Does a country like Sweden have a justice system based on absolute morality? No.


They are very secular and morality is subjective and so their laws are based on effectiveness, common sense, and practicality.

frosbel: This fallacy involves appealing “to the people” rather than to reason. Assent to a conclusion is won not by giving valid arguments, but by arousing the feelings and sentiments of the multitude. In modern life, the propagandist, the demagogue, the politician and the advertiser continually make this appeal. If “everyone believes it,” or “everyone is doing it,” or the poll numbers are high, it must be right. It is an established fact of history, however, that popular ideas have often been proven to be erroneous. This has happened so often that it has been dramatically demonstrated that because the multitudes accept an assertion to be true, this provides no rational assurance that it is true.

One could argue that history teaches that the opposite is more often the case: if the multitudes believe something to be true, it is probably false. But arguing this way is just the flip side of the same fallacy. The number of people believing a particular proposition is irrelevant to the truth or falsehood of the proposition itself. Its truth or falsehood must be determined by relevant and rational means, employing evidence and information from which a conclusion can be logically derived.

The popularity of the Ad Populum fallacy is attributable to the tendency of human beings to act like sheep, flocking together around the comfortable and the familiar. Deep within the fallen human soul is the need to be connected with others of his kind, and so compelling is this desire that people will often surrender their conscience and judgment to the tyranny of their culture and the conventional wisdom, even when it makes no sense to them. How few there are who can stand in the integrity of their own mind and judgment when it is unpopular

haibe: @mac daddy and wiegraf i have some questions for you

Basic world view questions:
1. Origins: Where did life and humanity originate?

2. The Problem: Why is there suffering, sickness, and death?

3. The Solution: What is the cure for man’s suffering, esp. his existential lonliness?


Questions of Meaning and Value:
4. How does an atheist assign meaning to human activity? Is all meaning subjective,
or do some activities have self-evident and objective worth and meaning. If so, what
are these activities, and how to you arrive at their value?

5. Are humans of more intrinsic value than animals? Why or why not?

6. How does an atheist determine what is moral or immoral, right or wrong. Is there
any objective standard or principles?

Questions of Worldview:

7. What type of government does atheistic philosophy translate into? How does it
understand the relationship between man and government? What type of government
structures flow from an atheistic world view? Does it merely rely on someone else’s
system of thought, like the assumptions of naturalistic science?

8. How does atheism view religions and religious faith?
What about metaphysics? Is
atheism purely materialistic and naturalistic?

9. Who are the authoritative writers/books of atheism? What are the central tenets of
atheism, and if they have a “greatest commandment,” what is it? For example,
arguably, Christianity’s is “Love the Lord your God with all of your heart, mind,
soul and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself.”

Questions of Revelation:
Where will you go after you die

MacDaddy01: Atheists base their "morality" generally on 4 prinicples;

-practicality
-effectiveness
-logic
-balance of the greater good (pros and cons)