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Muskeeto,


lmao at Tpia. I hope she gets well

Ishilove: Worreva, bro. *rolling eyes*

You know its true babe!

Seriously,

Why was my thread closed? Does the moderator not know what a rebuttal is?



#shameful!

This is how we know that christians are sick!


Rather than use their brains arealise that hell is only a metaphor and not real, they pray for it to be real when they can not logically defend it.


They so want to see unbelievers burning in hell. Unfortunaely hell doesnt exist.

Deep Sight: No, theists do not subscribe to the idea of something from nothing: they rather have always subscribed to the idea of an eternal and permanent something.

Additionally, if he accedes that "empty" space is something, then what he saying about something from nothing? CAN you now see why I say its a non starter?



This is because nothingness by definition is NO THING: i.e: it does not exist: as such this is where your Krauss goofs when he attempts to discuss something from nothing: there is nothing like nothingness in the first place - and it is worse that he does this by attempting to propose the evidentially false notion that the total energy in the universe is zero. He shoots himself in the foot by his description of "empty" space already - i.e: it is not empty.



Haba this one na lie o: my approach to everyone is generally the same, save some tin gods who I revere and prostrate for.

Theists do not suscribe to something from nothing but that is their argument against atheists. Unfortunately, their gods are said to come from nothing. Krauss is saying that since you guys call space "nothing", then something can come from nothing. Simples



The truth is that we have no example of "nothing". You can only describe nothing in a way you can describe a 7feet midget.

Nothing is "no thing"...absence of anything.

A 7ft midget is a midget that is 7 feet.


You are just repeating a literal meaning of something that has no basis in relaity.


Give me an example of nothing since space itself is something



BTW, even 2 people have openly said that you have taken a dislike towards me.


Did I do something wrong? Some religionists here hate my swag n guts

Deep Sight: Well even if that's your take, it does nothing for your hero, Krauss: because if he is CORRECTING the view that empty space is nothing, then his correction is that it is in fact something.

And this completely destroys any reference he can then make about something from nothing!

And mind you, your exact words were that the scientists have the proof for their assertions in this regard!

Hope clear now ? ? ?

Yes, he is saying that it (space) is something made up of particles. However, since most theists shout "something" from "nothing, he was using your assertions to explain how that can be.


When you and theists claim that something can not come from nothing, you forget that there is no example of "nothing" that we know of. ou know nothing about "nothing" yet you make claims about it.



Clear enough?




BTW Deepsight, what have I done to you that you have been attacking me so heavily these past few months? Serioulsy!

Deep Sight: You don't get it do you? THAT was the basis of your reference to Krauss and praise of Krauss, no?

Can I ask you WHAT he refers to as nothing, when he speaks about something from nothing?

Be concise please.

Now secondly, please note your other statement. I will highlight words so you appreciate the import of what you wrote -



Can you look at the blue bold and tell me what "He was correcting the view that empty space is not "nothing". means?

Please kindly note the bold word "not" in the context of your sentence and refer to what view he is "correcting".

Your sentence simply accedes that whereas empty space is not nothing, Krauss is "correcting" that view, and saying that its nothing.

Finally, you made your take obvious by stating that the scientists have "proof of quantum physics" on their side in this assertion.

As such, you cannot now duck: its obvious you have endorsed this position, not only by appealing to authority, but also stating explicitly that scientists have proof for their statements in this regard.

Care to make sense out of all this confusion you have made?

Yawn. The only thing I admit to is mistyping. I should have written "the view that empty space is "nothing"."


Is it clear now?

CrazyMan: Nice creativity you got there logicboy.

Thanks. Means a lot from you!

Deep Sight: And here, another quote from you, suggesting that the something from nothing idea is proven by quantum physics. I kept asking you how and why that is the case, but you refused to answer my question!

Stop trying.


Please put a quote where really supported something coming from nothing.


All I did in what you quoted was to make fun of the hypocrisy of complaining about "nothing" when your god is from "nothing" according to you/the Allah believer.

Deep Sight: First Lie. I did no do any such thing: YOU DID.And then you turned around to say it is not nothing.

I shall produce your quotes: do not scuttle off to alter them!

Please try again. You have already failed once

Deep Sight: Here's your quote son. Your words, not mine.

"If you"




You win the Dumbazz award

Kay 17: ^^
Take an hypothetical "space" with nothing, no particles, no energy, no space, no pigments not even black, not even God, an absolute void.

Then proceed to ponder what could arise from it.

Here is another way of seeing it, define Nothing as the absence of anything. Therefore to contemplate something arising from "absence of anything" will lead to a contradiction.

Why hypothetical? Hypothetical space?


Where does that exist? Hmmm?

"space" itself is something.

pheyikemi: they are silent because of our iniquity. At least He answers d prayers of d righteous.

lololol



So the women who get raped in Congo dont pray hard enough? They are not righteous?


The poor man on the street who gets killed by police stray bullet doesnt pray hard enough? He is not righteous?


The christians that died in Boko Harma bombings are not righteous or dont pray hard enough?


You are talking nonsense

Deep Sight: Honestly, i don't know why everyone has to hold your hand and guide you through every piece of simple logic.

1. You contended that something could derive from nothing

2. In support of that, you produce Krauss's lecture

3. The conclusion you draw from it is that empty space is in fact NOT nothing - that it is something ab initio

So why on God's good earth did you cite empty space in the first place, as an example of something deriving from nothing - given that YOU accede that it is NOT nothing in the first place ? ? ? ? ? ?

You define empty space as "nothing". So if you believe that empty space is nothing, then we can say something comes from nothing. I never defended the position that something could come from nothing. Re read my comments again. I was showing you what a scientist says.

We do not have an example for "nothing". So you can even argue anything about "nothing".

My atheist position is about God. There is no evidence for him or her or it. Simple. I am not a scientist and I can not tell you the origin of the world. I can only tell you what scientists say.

Deep Sight: Good - - - > And so it is wrong and mis-footed to use "empty" space as an example of nothing - in the way that you referred to Krauss as doing.

This is simple logic, son.

Empty space is normal rhetoric. Common use. You are the one that misuses empty space as "nothing". Krauss is showing that theists are wrong if you define empty space as "nothing".

When you have been shouting that something can not come out of nothing, wasnt it empty space you were referring to? Or what was your example of this "nothing"?

Deep Sight: There are many quacks like him who are celebrated all over the world today. One example is Richard Dawkins, a man of breathtaking theological illiteracy who attempts to discuss theology with disastrous results. Krauss is even worse and more illogical: but as I have said before, it seems to give you guys a sense of self worth to bandy the names of these nincompoops about.

Think for your self. Even Einstein's ideas are up for challenge. Much less this bozo of a non starter.

I would accept Krauss's argument over a fool's opinion. A fool like you that believes numbers exists.

Krauss is not a quack. For you to even call him a quack shows your foolish arrogance. How can you even call one of the bestb scientists in the West a "quack"? Is everybody seeing this?

You have mental problems, sir!

Deep Sight: That is judicially noticed for a long time already by my learned brothers Enigma and Jayriginal.

Stop bowing to authority! Touche!

pheyikemi: Jesus and God Himself are in the best position to answer ur question. Why nt ask them?

because they are dead silent!

ijawkid: Which hard time??

The boy don run....lol...

hahaha

Lol........seems brainpulse is giving you guys a hard time.

You have serious problems.

I am trying to act peaceful and yet you are doing nonsense.
Erm.....are you frustrated or something? Marital problems? Sexually frustrated? Shouldnt your pastor do deliverance? Oh, wait, he's a tithe stealing charlatan!

I have always wondered myself. If Jesus knew that he was going to come back to life, then what is the point of calling it a sacrifice when he didnt really die?

anuforo: Anu Oha wee no get talk i wan show him ignorance for where people wey sabi dey. If your mouth too big to criticize go read your Bible very well before you commot for main road go dey disgrace your self idot anu ohia Gambia .......MetCheeew

Bushman.


I am not a christian. Neither do believe in god

destinedtee: It is so pathetic and saddening that some just rush to conclude that there is no God...just because they don't seem to understand God's principles.Ur take about d existence of God does not in any way reduce Him or makes Him non-existing.I believe there is God and He reigns supreme!

Yes, your coward god just sits and watches injustice in a godless country. How paradoxical!


SMH

Wow and I begged for this topic to make front page.


Anyways. There is hope

Uyi Iredia: There are atheist positions on the beginning of the universe. Remember, atheism is a philosophy (and as I always say a religion) and therefor it has always enunciated its position on the beginning of the universe through the mouth of atheists. Most atheists in the past befor e the acceptance of the Big Bang believed that the universe was infinite. With the Big Bang now accepted that position has been modified though not altogether ended.

Atheism is not a philosophy but there is atheistic philosophy. Just as christianity itself is not aplogetics but there is christian apologetics.


Atheism is only a theological stance.


Why are you foolish?

Deep Sight: You simply have no grasp of discussions. How can u and ur dear Krauss talk about something coming from noting, and in the same breath admit that the 'empty' space in question is not nothing? ? ?

O, by the way, stop appealing to authourity. Krauss is certified D.AFT.

Empty space isnt nothing. Empty space is full of particles. You are very ignorant! Empty space isnt empty.


Furthermore, how nice of you to call one of the best scientists in the western world "daf.t".


You are foolish,

eddy1977: I would much rather have my child carry a Christian literature to school than condoms and guns or cigarettes and knives.

Because other religions and secularism or atheism promote cigarettes and Knives? Dumbazz

Please, can my topic make the front page? (https://www.nairaland.com/1066950/re-nigerians-diaspora-bitter)


It is a rebuttal to the divisive thread that is quite insulting to Nigerians in diaspora (https://www.nairaland.com/1066272/why-nigerians-diaspora-bitter)



Thanks

This is a response/rebuttal to a thread that should not have made the front page as it reeks of ignorance and misinformation about Nigerians in diaspora. Here is the thread;
https://www.nairaland.com/1066272/why-nigerians-diaspora-bitter

thelastPope: I am really getting irritated by many Nigerians in diaspora. They seem bent on seeing Nigeria and Nigerians go down. They come here and all over other Internet sites spewing garbage about Nigeria. They will put down anything positive about Nigeria. It seems they are suffering from gross bitterness.

There is no denying the fact that Nigeria has many issues but we cannot solve it by hating ourselves with so much raw hate and talking nonsense all the time. There is a time to critisize. For example, I like to criticize our excesses on materialism as a people which leads us to many unwanted stuff like corruption and crime. But insulting the nation and saying we will never make it and making us look so pathetic to the rest of the world is just too bad! We have our dignity and pride and we will never sacrifice that on any alter of self defeat and hopelessness.

If these bitter diaspora folks can't see anything good about Nigeria and Nigerians, I wonder why they even bother to post on Nigerian forums. They should carry their crap somewhere else. They forget that they are part of those who have failed Nigeria because they have not made any meaningful contribution to Nigerian growth.

Some of us travel out of the country and know how many of these folks live in Europe and even the US. In spain, Italy and Greece, many of them beg on the streets. In the UK, I don't even want to start. They haul themselves, sometimes as much as 15 in a 2 room apartment! Yet they talk nonsense here on NL because they can afford cheap Tmobile internet connection.

We have no other country but Nigeria. We must stand up and build it. Yes, it is a long road but it is a journey worth taking! Our families and friends live here. The question we must ask ourselves today is how can we make it better?

Apologies/acknowledgement to the many Nigerians in diaspora who do not fall into this category. Your patriotic contribution is a blessing to some of us!

Here are the problems with this thread;

1) The thread is based on a faulty premise. The premise is that it is mainly Nigerians in diaspora that are bitter. This is wrong. All Nigerians are bitter about the state of Nigeria. We are all Nigerians, whether in the UK, America or Nigeria. We all want to see our country become better.
The difference is that you would probably hear more Nigerians in diaspora complaining. This could be due to them (Nigerians in diaspora) experiencing firsthand a better economic/political system or they have access to faster internet etc. This doesnt change the fact that both sides complain and heavily criticize Nigeria.




2) The thread also implies that Nigerians in diaspora are suffering and that is why they are bitter.

a) What the author of the thread terms as "suffering" is not applicable to many Nigerians. I am a Nigerian in diaspora who has been studying in the UK for over 4 years. I and most of my friends from university actually enjoy living in the UK. Nigerians are very diverse; there are rich and there are poor. I have never worked one day in my life in the UK and the same goes for most of my friends who are students or just graduated. We travel around the Uk during short breaks from Edinburgh to Cardiff, from London to Newcastle. We also go on shopping trips/holidays to the USA, Dubai or Europe on long holidays.
As you can conclude, I and my friends belong to the upper middle class of the Nigerian society (in diaspora). Birds of the same feather flock together. I think the author should start flocking with different people

b) The author also ignores the dignity of labour. Just because someone is "suffering" as a sweeper and living in a poor accomodation does not mean that he has no right to complain (just as a rich fellow can complain about the same issue) nor does it mean that he can not he can not be rich tommorrow. We as Nigerians know that many many millionaires in Nigeria suffered in the West before coming back to make it in Nigeria. My father was a factory worker who suffered before making it. He always bitterly complained about tribalism in Nigeria and how he was cheated. He suffered and then became rich and that is why I can live in prosperity-because of him. The truth remains true whether a sweeper or squatter or a rich man tells it.




3) The thread implies that Nigerians in diaspora do not contribute to the prosperity of Nigeria

a) Even the poor sweeper in the London underground sends money through western union money transfer to his relatives in Nigeria and Ghana. How this basic fact escaped the author is beyond me. Nigerians in diaspora, down to the poorest contribute to Nigeria in different ways

b) Anyone who has stayed in London would know that there are numerous Nigerian accountants and immigration lawyers based in the UK. There are many Nigerians who have made it and give Nigerians a good image in the UK (despite the illegal immigrants and yahoo boys). There are bloggers like me in the UK that spend their time writing about Nigeria and the West in order to educate my Nigerian brothers. To say that we in diaspora do not contribute is a joke.




4) A simple question for the author;

-Is it the local Nigerians or Nigerians in diaspora that take pictures of crazy things in Nigeria and post them on the internet? Which of the two groups is based in Nigeria to do that?

The local Nigerians are as critical of Nigeria as the ones in diaspora. You are just more likely to hear it coming from the ones in diaspora for the reasons mentioned above.





In summary, we are all Nigerians and there are both foolish Nigerians at home and abroad (just as there are good ones too). To vilify one group and leave the other is very biased. Please, let us come together and work in peace not in division.

Sweetnecta: try again, abdulsleek. the first trial at denial is an epic fail.

intolerable statement against Almighty God may not be on this thread.

but on nl, yes. in your life, the mere claim that God does not exist amount to the most intolerable and you should be banned out of england.

You are seriously mad. you know that about 35% of British are atheists or irreligious. You are the one intolerant against them.

Sicko.

over 30 million Americans are atheist

Ptolomeus: .


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jajaja


Ptolomeus!!!!



Olaadegbu, respect Ptolomeus and stop using the cartoons!

After, somebody will tell me that God exists.


Na life be dis?

Sweetnecta: ^^abdulsleek is complaining. are you ever satisfied at anything, anything at all?

you make intolerable statement about God, i simply respond to you.
i wrote what your state is with satan, you are complaining.
it seems as if you believe that satan exist and you are concerned of being cozy with him?

Who is this Abdulsleek? Is he a sleeky muslim or what?


Anyways, I have not made any intolerant comment on this thread. Try again

haibe: I know you are a christian so pls don't answer considering the pattern of life in UK, UK will also see nothing wrong in homo sexuality.

Ok lemme reframe my question.

As a morally sound christian, Do you think it will be right for men to start wearing skirts, ear rings.. etc in nigeria??

Men already wear ear-rings in Nigeria. We call it "studs".

What is the difference between a wrapper and a long skirt? Dont igbos and delatn tribesmen wear wrappers?



Sorry, but you dont have a monopoly on morality be it morality itself or "christian" morality.


I am an atheist. When I was a catholic, the rev. fathers were smart enough only to advice people to dress moderately. But no, these protestant and pentecostal tithe lovers think that they are crusaders for christ that can tell adults what to wear.




Yet you wonder why people in advanced countries leave christianity.


reread your post and you will see that you are indirectly implying that the UK is less moral than Nigeria due to their gay rights and freedom. Remember that Nigeria is no 1 in corruption and fraud.