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This is a response/rebuttal to a thread that should not have made the front page as it reeks of ignorance and misinformation about Nigerians in diaspora. Here is the thread;
https://www.nairaland.com/1066272/why-nigerians-diaspora-bitter

thelastPope: I am really getting irritated by many Nigerians in diaspora. They seem bent on seeing Nigeria and Nigerians go down. They come here and all over other Internet sites spewing garbage about Nigeria. They will put down anything positive about Nigeria. It seems they are suffering from gross bitterness.

There is no denying the fact that Nigeria has many issues but we cannot solve it by hating ourselves with so much raw hate and talking nonsense all the time. There is a time to critisize. For example, I like to criticize our excesses on materialism as a people which leads us to many unwanted stuff like corruption and crime. But insulting the nation and saying we will never make it and making us look so pathetic to the rest of the world is just too bad! We have our dignity and pride and we will never sacrifice that on any alter of self defeat and hopelessness.

If these bitter diaspora folks can't see anything good about Nigeria and Nigerians, I wonder why they even bother to post on Nigerian forums. They should carry their crap somewhere else. They forget that they are part of those who have failed Nigeria because they have not made any meaningful contribution to Nigerian growth.

Some of us travel out of the country and know how many of these folks live in Europe and even the US. In spain, Italy and Greece, many of them beg on the streets. In the UK, I don't even want to start. They haul themselves, sometimes as much as 15 in a 2 room apartment! Yet they talk nonsense here on NL because they can afford cheap Tmobile internet connection.

We have no other country but Nigeria. We must stand up and build it. Yes, it is a long road but it is a journey worth taking! Our families and friends live here. The question we must ask ourselves today is how can we make it better?

Apologies/acknowledgement to the many Nigerians in diaspora who do not fall into this category. Your patriotic contribution is a blessing to some of us!

Here are the problems with this thread;

1) The thread is based on a faulty premise. The premise is that it is mainly Nigerians in diaspora that are bitter. This is wrong. All Nigerians are bitter about the state of Nigeria. We are all Nigerians, whether in the UK, America or Nigeria. We all want to see our country become better.
The difference is that you would probably hear more Nigerians in diaspora complaining. This could be due to them (Nigerians in diaspora) experiencing firsthand a better economic/political system or they have access to faster internet etc. This doesnt change the fact that both sides complain and heavily criticize Nigeria.




2) The thread also implies that Nigerians in diaspora are suffering and that is why they are bitter.

a) What the author of the thread terms as "suffering" is not applicable to many Nigerians. I am a Nigerian in diaspora who has been studying in the UK for over 4 years. I and most of my friends from university actually enjoy living in the UK. Nigerians are very diverse; there are rich and there are poor. I have never worked one day in my life in the UK and the same goes for most of my friends who are students or just graduated. We travel around the Uk during short breaks from Edinburgh to Cardiff, from London to Newcastle. We also go on shopping trips/holidays to the USA, Dubai or Europe on long holidays.
As you can conclude, I and my friends belong to the upper middle class of the Nigerian society (in diaspora). Birds of the same feather flock together. I think the author should start flocking with different people

b) The author also ignores the dignity of labour. Just because someone is "suffering" as a sweeper and living in a poor accomodation does not mean that he has no right to complain (just as a rich fellow can complain about the same issue) nor does it mean that he can not he can not be rich tommorrow. We as Nigerians know that many many millionaires in Nigeria suffered in the West before coming back to make it in Nigeria. My father was a factory worker who suffered before making it. He always bitterly complained about tribalism in Nigeria and how he was cheated. He suffered and then became rich and that is why I can live in prosperity-because of him. The truth remains true whether a sweeper or squatter or a rich man tells it.




3) The thread implies that Nigerians in diaspora do not contribute to the prosperity of Nigeria

a) Even the poor sweeper in the London underground sends money through western union money transfer to his relatives in Nigeria and Ghana. How this basic fact escaped the author is beyond me. Nigerians in diaspora, down to the poorest contribute to Nigeria in different ways

b) Anyone who has stayed in London would know that there are numerous Nigerian accountants and immigration lawyers based in the UK. There are many Nigerians who have made it and give Nigerians a good image in the UK (despite the illegal immigrants and yahoo boys). There are bloggers like me in the UK that spend their time writing about Nigeria and the West in order to educate my Nigerian brothers. To say that we in diaspora do not contribute is a joke.




4) A simple question for the author;

-Is it the local Nigerians or Nigerians in diaspora that take pictures of crazy things in Nigeria and post them on the internet? Which of the two groups is based in Nigeria to do that?

The local Nigerians are as critical of Nigeria as the ones in diaspora. You are just more likely to hear it coming from the ones in diaspora for the reasons mentioned above.





In summary, we are all Nigerians and there are both foolish Nigerians at home and abroad (just as there are good ones too). To vilify one group and leave the other is very biased. Please, let us come together and work in peace not in division.

Sweetnecta: try again, abdulsleek. the first trial at denial is an epic fail.

intolerable statement against Almighty God may not be on this thread.

but on nl, yes. in your life, the mere claim that God does not exist amount to the most intolerable and you should be banned out of england.

You are seriously mad. you know that about 35% of British are atheists or irreligious. You are the one intolerant against them.

Sicko.

over 30 million Americans are atheist

Ptolomeus: .


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jajaja


Ptolomeus!!!!



Olaadegbu, respect Ptolomeus and stop using the cartoons!

After, somebody will tell me that God exists.


Na life be dis?

Sweetnecta: ^^abdulsleek is complaining. are you ever satisfied at anything, anything at all?

you make intolerable statement about God, i simply respond to you.
i wrote what your state is with satan, you are complaining.
it seems as if you believe that satan exist and you are concerned of being cozy with him?

Who is this Abdulsleek? Is he a sleeky muslim or what?


Anyways, I have not made any intolerant comment on this thread. Try again

haibe: I know you are a christian so pls don't answer considering the pattern of life in UK, UK will also see nothing wrong in homo sexuality.

Ok lemme reframe my question.

As a morally sound christian, Do you think it will be right for men to start wearing skirts, ear rings.. etc in nigeria??

Men already wear ear-rings in Nigeria. We call it "studs".

What is the difference between a wrapper and a long skirt? Dont igbos and delatn tribesmen wear wrappers?



Sorry, but you dont have a monopoly on morality be it morality itself or "christian" morality.


I am an atheist. When I was a catholic, the rev. fathers were smart enough only to advice people to dress moderately. But no, these protestant and pentecostal tithe lovers think that they are crusaders for christ that can tell adults what to wear.




Yet you wonder why people in advanced countries leave christianity.


reread your post and you will see that you are indirectly implying that the UK is less moral than Nigeria due to their gay rights and freedom. Remember that Nigeria is no 1 in corruption and fraud.

truthislight: are you sure it is not your friend Frosbel that refused to address the issue of the thread that is responsible for that?

She had ask Frosbel to decide what next.

Wait oo!! You may be right. I even forgot that Frosbel could be a dumbazz at times.


Anyways, notwithstanding, the thread was not an attack on anybody.

Ptolomeus: Look at the title of the thread:

"Christ the CREATIONIST".


Christians have a great deal of confusion, from the trilogy.

1. The Bible says that he who created everything, was god. (the god of the Old Testament)

2. Since the Council of Nicaea, Jesus is God.

Applying the transitive property,

JESUS ​​IS THE CREATOR OF ALL.

That is the rationale for our friend Olaa.

We should not blame him ... but stupid and incomprehensible that doctrine, that not even the Christians can understand.

Y... VAMO' ARRIBA LA CELESTE, QUERIDO AMIGO!

jajajaja


Is that why he uses cartoons?

lol....how nice of Jesoul to humbly ignore my post. Soldier of christ on the run




Can anyone name the rule I broke with my thread?



1) It was not attacking anyone but making fun of myself

2) It is about religion (atheists loving to debate about God)



Jesoul, even if you are right you dont have to behave like your old self;


https://www.nairaland.com/388072/haiti-earthquake-intimate-account-providence#5392831

OLAADEGBU: With what will you shoot, a paper gun? You don't need to be shot because the very Jesus Christ you blaspheme has paid the ransome money with His life. All you have to do is to walk.

You and your cartoons.



2/3rd of the world isnt christian. Billions who dont even know what is in the bible. Seems Jesus died for nothing. His gospel has reached many people

OLAADEGBU: Your money or your life, which one would you choose if you have to?

I would shoot the bagger.

Just as I would reject the choices given to me by Yaweh. Yaweh can shove his sky paradise up his......................

Sweetnecta: @Omo Alata:

Allah has allowed primarily the disbelievers [and even the hypocrites] to the whims of the devils; satan and his legions. The effect could be as obvious as disbelieving in God [His Existence, making Him a tribal God or multiple head God, or even having representatives, like idols, etc] and as confusing as in being possessed by jinn.


In all my years on this earth, in spite of my mistakes daily, I put all my hopes in God, betting 100% on Him. Neither have I seen any jinn telling me he is Jesus nor have i hallucinated that there is something inside me except my internal organs and I have not asked anyone for nothing of the unknown.

sisi, did you remember the girl adegboye slapped saying she was a witch for Jesus? did she shake at the mentioned of any name?

What avery intolerant statement towards disbelievers.

OLAADEGBU: Why would Jesus send you to hell? He created hell for Satan and his angels. You can only go to hell if you choose to.

Why would the armed robber kill you? He only carries guns for people who dont give him money. You can only be killed if you choose to (not give him money)

OLAADEGBU: You can see from this article that atheism and paganism is not new they are just a recycle of the old thing there's nothing new under the sun. If you noticed Jesus Christ during His earthly days did not only tell us how and when the universe was created He also predicted the judgment coming upon the unbelievers in the latter days.

If you claim to be civilised in this day and age you'll better be wise and take heed to the Master's whistle. Repent and believe the gospel for tomorrow may be too late.

If Jesus loved me, he wouldnt send me to hell. He wouldnt create hell in the first place.

Since churches and adults can not proselytize in public schools in the USA, they have now recruited teens who go to school to distribute pamphlets and bibles to their peers. They also tell the teens to organize prayer sessions.


https://www.alternet.org/files/styles/story_image/public/story_images/shutterstock_107144978.jpg



How nice of christians to use a loophole to bypass the separation of church and state. How would the christians react if Korans and atheist books were smuggled in to schools where their children study?

http://www.alternet.org/education/littlest-missionaries-new-christian-plot-invade-public-schools

Ah yes, Jesus christ, the caveman scientist.


Even Fred Flinstone is more civilized than that!

Funny, you dont hear of witches in the UK anymore since the turn of 20th century and secular laws and technology.


Excuse me, but any witch trembling is a lie. It is all acting with actors and actresses to decieve the church members. Witches do not exist. Any babalawo you meet is a fraud they act all spiritual but it is a gimmick to push people into fearing and respecting them. Why are the babalawos never rich?



If you still believe in witches, how did our forefathers stop itches before foreigners brought christianity to Nigeria? Afterall, tales of witches are all in our tribal folklore. How come they didnt need Jesus name to stop witches from killing them?

frosbel: and the follow follow sheeple who follow follow MAN and not GOD will OBEY and continue to FOLLOW.

I pity those who refuse to follow Christ as the TRUE HEAD of the CHURCH !!

lol

Is Adeboye foolish?


Dont marry outside the RCC?

[quote author=tpia@]https://img2-cdn.newser.com/square-image/17487-20110401022710/hate-your-computer-dont-bully-tech-support.jpeg[/quote]Tpia, why the hate? Let's talk, christian to atheist

truthislight: good one girl.
Judgement at its best.

Where is Frosbel the masaiah?

good one girl.
Judgement at its best.

Where is Frosbel the masaiah?

Seriously?

MacDaddy01: I was making fun of myself not Frosbel.....I ended being a depressed drunk in the cartoon.


Gaddem, you NL christians are really uptight. Gaddem

frosbel: Thanks , Logicboy will grow up one day, he is still a young lad

Oh btw, when will my Trinity article make the front page.

Cheers !

Why so hateful of atheists?

MacDaddy01: I was making fun of myself not Frosbel.....I ended being a depressed drunk in the cartoon.


Gaddem, you NL christians are really uptight. Gaddem

JeSoul: You're welcome my friend . Godbless.

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So it should be left open because its meant to be "funny"? remember the thread Buzugee opened on you? why didn't you see the sense of humor in that one? Your choice of words esp in the title is against the rules so I'm locking it. If Frosbel comes along and says he doesn't mind then I'll reopen it. Cheers.

I was making fun of myself not Frosbel.....I ended being a depressed drunk in the cartoon.


Gaddem, you NL christians are really uptight. Gaddem

Uyi Iredia: There are. Read books like The Necessity Of Atheism and educate yourself. There are atheist positions on the universe. How can you say infinity doesn't exist when numbers & shapes are infinite ? You must be stup1d.

There is no atheist position on the beginning of the universe. Atheism is not science neither is it a religion. It is a stance on the evidence for God- nothing and therefore no reason to believe

Uyi Iredia: I see So who has seen an ape evolve into a man ?

Dumbazz, only a fool would think that only humans evolve.


Did I mention human evolution? Read the links I put ignorant one. Mr Evolution denier.


You sir are a creatard. Just remember that your position is the foolish one. Evolution is the science.

vedaxcool: He also believes the world came from nothing and something at the same time. This is how we are suppose to redeem them from self imposed intellectual potholes

Why do you muslims and christians lie so much?


Is that my point?

Jeez

rafhell: OF WHAT USE IS THIS POST?

Jesus, Una christians no dey laff?

Omo Alata: Hate is a strong word

Gaddem, it is a joke.

Frosbel is my enemy of my enemy. We both bashed islam on a tag team debunkery mission

please dont close this thread....It's my present to Frosbel

https://www.nairaland.com/1065437/why-hate-frosbel

wiegraf: Yeah, spain translates more literature to spanish in a year than the arab world has since forever. Knowledge is probably bad for business. Pakistan has produced 8 patents in 43 years. Lots of little nuggets with hard numbers in that article but can't copy/paste at the moment. I, personally, especially like the message delivered to women with the temerity to not cover their hair or engage in sports. It boils down to other women should spray them with acid. Apparently there's nothing wrong with that because it will get worse for them in hell. No, they really wrote that. And one wonders why they kill people over tripe like 'innocence' (I'll admit the preview was a bit funny, and mayhaps accurate... Riot imminent)


Edit: author is a pakistani professor, I wonder if he has 'sold out' now...

Author is really Pakistani? Who'd have thought!

lol


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