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vedaxcool: Inchoherency!

Dude deserves pity, he does not even know whether he is an atheist or agnostic? Atleast let those who KNOW to discuss . . . You know the way out

I knew you would be stupid enough not to see that one can be both (atheist/agnostic)


But you wouldnt know since you have very limited knowledge outside the Quran.

bankyblue: Some fools needs to be shot to death. Could this be frustration? What
Was he thinking of when coming up with this topic. Or is it a must for
Ur bad comment to be viewed? This is a real mad man on the loose.

Lol.....how ironic when your post is full of anger.

pheyikemi: all i can deduce here is dat u r sooo frustrated dt u r lukn 4som 1 to take dat on. Atheist is sm1 hu blivs thr is no God. I bliv thr is God, u r d 1 hu doesnt bliv He exist. So i shd gladly cal u an atheist not vice-versa

Lol.....you deduce that I'm frustrated? lol



Look at then topic and ask yourself why you are here. The OP is asking a question many non believers ask.

Did Jesus really sacrifice himself when he could always come back?



I am not the one that believes in fairytales

pheyikemi: hello, do i knw u? Must u insult every1 hu comment 'mr smart' hu's smarter dn God Himself, i thot evry1 ad d right to his or her opinion. Y nt stop quoting me nd xpend ur energy on things dt'll improve ur lyf because all ds wil 4eva remain a mystery u cannot solve. because every1 has chosen a different destiny, som gud nd sum bad. Nd all things nids prayers, either gud or bad, prayer goes a long way Mr smart

Awww! Sorry. I just felt that you're a lost soul that needed some atheist healing.

obadiah777: AM HANGING IN THERE BRAH. BLACK ISRAELITE MAN TRYNA SURVIVE IN A GENTILE WORLD. IT AINT EASY BRAH

Black slave worshipping the Jews.




My slave brother from another mother!

pheyikemi: excuse me here, must u take it out on me? Y not take it out on Jesus himself. Abi i resemble ur bokoharam ni, or ur police. D fact is things either gud or terrible happen to pple everyday d prayer is dat one shd nt b a victim of bad circumstance. "A TRUE FACT IS NO ONE CAN QUESTION GOD OR WHATEVER HE DOES. HE SITS IN HEAVEN AND DOES AS HE PLEASE". It is an idle mind d devil puts nonsensical ideas into. Kip solving ur logic, u'l find it soon enof. Wish u luck

lol....typical brainwashed christian. When something bad happens to others, it is gods will and we cant question it. However, when something bad happens to them, they pray that it should go away. They even pray to avoid all bad things. However, when others suffer, it is the will of god.


-When they watch TV and see a child dying of hunger in congo, they say "god knows best"
-When their own child that is hungry and sick, they would say "gid forbid" and do all that is necessary to avoid the child's suffering

Muskeeto,


lmao at Tpia. I hope she gets well

Ishilove: Worreva, bro. *rolling eyes*

You know its true babe!

Seriously,

Why was my thread closed? Does the moderator not know what a rebuttal is?



#shameful!

This is how we know that christians are sick!


Rather than use their brains arealise that hell is only a metaphor and not real, they pray for it to be real when they can not logically defend it.


They so want to see unbelievers burning in hell. Unfortunaely hell doesnt exist.

Deep Sight: No, theists do not subscribe to the idea of something from nothing: they rather have always subscribed to the idea of an eternal and permanent something.

Additionally, if he accedes that "empty" space is something, then what he saying about something from nothing? CAN you now see why I say its a non starter?



This is because nothingness by definition is NO THING: i.e: it does not exist: as such this is where your Krauss goofs when he attempts to discuss something from nothing: there is nothing like nothingness in the first place - and it is worse that he does this by attempting to propose the evidentially false notion that the total energy in the universe is zero. He shoots himself in the foot by his description of "empty" space already - i.e: it is not empty.



Haba this one na lie o: my approach to everyone is generally the same, save some tin gods who I revere and prostrate for.

Theists do not suscribe to something from nothing but that is their argument against atheists. Unfortunately, their gods are said to come from nothing. Krauss is saying that since you guys call space "nothing", then something can come from nothing. Simples



The truth is that we have no example of "nothing". You can only describe nothing in a way you can describe a 7feet midget.

Nothing is "no thing"...absence of anything.

A 7ft midget is a midget that is 7 feet.


You are just repeating a literal meaning of something that has no basis in relaity.


Give me an example of nothing since space itself is something



BTW, even 2 people have openly said that you have taken a dislike towards me.


Did I do something wrong? Some religionists here hate my swag n guts

Deep Sight: Well even if that's your take, it does nothing for your hero, Krauss: because if he is CORRECTING the view that empty space is nothing, then his correction is that it is in fact something.

And this completely destroys any reference he can then make about something from nothing!

And mind you, your exact words were that the scientists have the proof for their assertions in this regard!

Hope clear now ? ? ?

Yes, he is saying that it (space) is something made up of particles. However, since most theists shout "something" from "nothing, he was using your assertions to explain how that can be.


When you and theists claim that something can not come from nothing, you forget that there is no example of "nothing" that we know of. ou know nothing about "nothing" yet you make claims about it.



Clear enough?




BTW Deepsight, what have I done to you that you have been attacking me so heavily these past few months? Serioulsy!

Deep Sight: You don't get it do you? THAT was the basis of your reference to Krauss and praise of Krauss, no?

Can I ask you WHAT he refers to as nothing, when he speaks about something from nothing?

Be concise please.

Now secondly, please note your other statement. I will highlight words so you appreciate the import of what you wrote -



Can you look at the blue bold and tell me what "He was correcting the view that empty space is not "nothing". means?

Please kindly note the bold word "not" in the context of your sentence and refer to what view he is "correcting".

Your sentence simply accedes that whereas empty space is not nothing, Krauss is "correcting" that view, and saying that its nothing.

Finally, you made your take obvious by stating that the scientists have "proof of quantum physics" on their side in this assertion.

As such, you cannot now duck: its obvious you have endorsed this position, not only by appealing to authority, but also stating explicitly that scientists have proof for their statements in this regard.

Care to make sense out of all this confusion you have made?

Yawn. The only thing I admit to is mistyping. I should have written "the view that empty space is "nothing"."


Is it clear now?

CrazyMan: Nice creativity you got there logicboy.

Thanks. Means a lot from you!

Deep Sight: And here, another quote from you, suggesting that the something from nothing idea is proven by quantum physics. I kept asking you how and why that is the case, but you refused to answer my question!

Stop trying.


Please put a quote where really supported something coming from nothing.


All I did in what you quoted was to make fun of the hypocrisy of complaining about "nothing" when your god is from "nothing" according to you/the Allah believer.

Deep Sight: First Lie. I did no do any such thing: YOU DID.And then you turned around to say it is not nothing.

I shall produce your quotes: do not scuttle off to alter them!

Please try again. You have already failed once

Deep Sight: Here's your quote son. Your words, not mine.

"If you"




You win the Dumbazz award

Kay 17: ^^
Take an hypothetical "space" with nothing, no particles, no energy, no space, no pigments not even black, not even God, an absolute void.

Then proceed to ponder what could arise from it.

Here is another way of seeing it, define Nothing as the absence of anything. Therefore to contemplate something arising from "absence of anything" will lead to a contradiction.

Why hypothetical? Hypothetical space?


Where does that exist? Hmmm?

"space" itself is something.

pheyikemi: they are silent because of our iniquity. At least He answers d prayers of d righteous.

lololol



So the women who get raped in Congo dont pray hard enough? They are not righteous?


The poor man on the street who gets killed by police stray bullet doesnt pray hard enough? He is not righteous?


The christians that died in Boko Harma bombings are not righteous or dont pray hard enough?


You are talking nonsense

Deep Sight: Honestly, i don't know why everyone has to hold your hand and guide you through every piece of simple logic.

1. You contended that something could derive from nothing

2. In support of that, you produce Krauss's lecture

3. The conclusion you draw from it is that empty space is in fact NOT nothing - that it is something ab initio

So why on God's good earth did you cite empty space in the first place, as an example of something deriving from nothing - given that YOU accede that it is NOT nothing in the first place ? ? ? ? ? ?

You define empty space as "nothing". So if you believe that empty space is nothing, then we can say something comes from nothing. I never defended the position that something could come from nothing. Re read my comments again. I was showing you what a scientist says.

We do not have an example for "nothing". So you can even argue anything about "nothing".

My atheist position is about God. There is no evidence for him or her or it. Simple. I am not a scientist and I can not tell you the origin of the world. I can only tell you what scientists say.

Deep Sight: Good - - - > And so it is wrong and mis-footed to use "empty" space as an example of nothing - in the way that you referred to Krauss as doing.

This is simple logic, son.

Empty space is normal rhetoric. Common use. You are the one that misuses empty space as "nothing". Krauss is showing that theists are wrong if you define empty space as "nothing".

When you have been shouting that something can not come out of nothing, wasnt it empty space you were referring to? Or what was your example of this "nothing"?

Deep Sight: There are many quacks like him who are celebrated all over the world today. One example is Richard Dawkins, a man of breathtaking theological illiteracy who attempts to discuss theology with disastrous results. Krauss is even worse and more illogical: but as I have said before, it seems to give you guys a sense of self worth to bandy the names of these nincompoops about.

Think for your self. Even Einstein's ideas are up for challenge. Much less this bozo of a non starter.

I would accept Krauss's argument over a fool's opinion. A fool like you that believes numbers exists.

Krauss is not a quack. For you to even call him a quack shows your foolish arrogance. How can you even call one of the bestb scientists in the West a "quack"? Is everybody seeing this?

You have mental problems, sir!

Deep Sight: That is judicially noticed for a long time already by my learned brothers Enigma and Jayriginal.

Stop bowing to authority! Touche!

pheyikemi: Jesus and God Himself are in the best position to answer ur question. Why nt ask them?

because they are dead silent!

ijawkid: Which hard time??

The boy don run....lol...

hahaha

Lol........seems brainpulse is giving you guys a hard time.

You have serious problems.

I am trying to act peaceful and yet you are doing nonsense.
Erm.....are you frustrated or something? Marital problems? Sexually frustrated? Shouldnt your pastor do deliverance? Oh, wait, he's a tithe stealing charlatan!

I have always wondered myself. If Jesus knew that he was going to come back to life, then what is the point of calling it a sacrifice when he didnt really die?

anuforo: Anu Oha wee no get talk i wan show him ignorance for where people wey sabi dey. If your mouth too big to criticize go read your Bible very well before you commot for main road go dey disgrace your self idot anu ohia Gambia .......MetCheeew

Bushman.


I am not a christian. Neither do believe in god

destinedtee: It is so pathetic and saddening that some just rush to conclude that there is no God...just because they don't seem to understand God's principles.Ur take about d existence of God does not in any way reduce Him or makes Him non-existing.I believe there is God and He reigns supreme!

Yes, your coward god just sits and watches injustice in a godless country. How paradoxical!


SMH

Wow and I begged for this topic to make front page.


Anyways. There is hope

Uyi Iredia: There are atheist positions on the beginning of the universe. Remember, atheism is a philosophy (and as I always say a religion) and therefor it has always enunciated its position on the beginning of the universe through the mouth of atheists. Most atheists in the past befor e the acceptance of the Big Bang believed that the universe was infinite. With the Big Bang now accepted that position has been modified though not altogether ended.

Atheism is not a philosophy but there is atheistic philosophy. Just as christianity itself is not aplogetics but there is christian apologetics.


Atheism is only a theological stance.


Why are you foolish?

Deep Sight: You simply have no grasp of discussions. How can u and ur dear Krauss talk about something coming from noting, and in the same breath admit that the 'empty' space in question is not nothing? ? ?

O, by the way, stop appealing to authourity. Krauss is certified D.AFT.

Empty space isnt nothing. Empty space is full of particles. You are very ignorant! Empty space isnt empty.


Furthermore, how nice of you to call one of the best scientists in the western world "daf.t".


You are foolish,

eddy1977: I would much rather have my child carry a Christian literature to school than condoms and guns or cigarettes and knives.

Because other religions and secularism or atheism promote cigarettes and Knives? Dumbazz

Please, can my topic make the front page? (https://www.nairaland.com/1066950/re-nigerians-diaspora-bitter)


It is a rebuttal to the divisive thread that is quite insulting to Nigerians in diaspora (https://www.nairaland.com/1066272/why-nigerians-diaspora-bitter)



Thanks