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tchaik: One million 'Likes'

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they are going to be so blinded by their careers,
they are going to be so blinded by their aspirations,
blinded by the next fashion wave,
blinded by the Nations cup(Said that on purpose),
blinded by the next movie coming out,
blinded by the next season of the series.
blinded by their wealth




Salaam, Tbaba.

As you know, I am an atheist and so, I will put career before any religion. However, there is no way someone can be a top manager or have a career and be devout at the same time, especially working in a western country.


As someone that knows the problems of muslims working in the finacial sector (Abdulsleek ), I can definitely say that any muslim manager in such sector must put career before islam or start his own halal business.


Muslims have to work 8-6 or sometimes 9-6 with only 1 break to say prayers. How are you going to do your prayers when you only have one break at work to say your prayers? What happens when your salaat time falls within the work hours outside your break time?

Furthermore, remember the riba issue I raised before. In times of recession, is a muslim really going to quit if he finds that his financial company invests in haraam activities or engages in riba.




This is not an argument. I just want to know how you circumvent these problems as a working muslim in the USA. Please, use your life as an example if possible

naijachix: i don't really understand your question. can u clarify further. . .

Psalm 14
1 The fool[a] says in his heart,
“There is no God.”
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile;
there is no one who does good.




How am I suppoesed to respect the bible or christianity given that verse?

naijachix: i'm definitely not an atheist. but a liberal non-religious Christian. i respect every religion and believe that Love for fellow human is the essence of live.
no religion is inferior to others. As for the question of who will go to heaven; don't be surprised that even the so-called idol worshiper be go to heaven before most of these western religious people.

I have a question for you. The bible says that all atheists are evil fools in psalm 14;1. How am I supposed to respect that as an atheist?

davidylan: The sentencei n highlights is anathema to atheists.

lol....coming from someone that just insulted atheists....the irony.

Salaam Deols

This is a challenge to Deepsight, Anony and Enigma to shame the devil and back up their statements. I am an athiest and I know (not believe) Dawkins not to be so. Not only has he made very clear arguments about God and religion but his arguments are sound.

It is of the highest arrogance of theists like these people to claim that Dawkins is a dunce. You might disagree with him but to call a man who has proven himself with his degrees and formal arguments a philosphical dunce is really immoral.

Arguments on Dawkins side
-Every sicentific research paper or thesis begins with philosophy- a hypothesis and then, the evidence supporting or rebutting the hypothesis
-Every scientific research paper or thesis engages in some form of philosophical approach; positivism or empiricism etc
-Dawkins has engaged in formal debates unlike Deepsight, Anony and Enigma
-Dawkins basic arguments have yet to be shown to be dunce-like by Anony, Deepsight and Enigma.



[size=14pt]So, in your own words, please back up your statements that Dawkins is a philosophical dunce[/size]

Enigma: As I said before Dawkins' are the same juvenile nonsense and idiotic rants that the dunce's lapdogs repeat here ad nauseam. Who's going to waste his time with that.

Dawkins is a theological and philosophical dunce. End of.

https://www.nairaland.com/1192447/religion-no-place-21st-century/1#14295802

Deep Sight: As to Logicboy, I hope, from everything in this thread, you can now see why I describe Dawkins (and everyone else who regards him as intelligent) to be a dunce. It is normal that dunces should follow dunces. Birds of a feather flock together. That is why Pentecostal dunces also follow Pastor Dunces. It is the very same thing.

https://www.nairaland.com/1182831/interview-richard-dawkins-ben-stein/5#14141046




[quote author=Mr_Anony]Also, Enigma is justified in calling Dawkins a dunce as far as theology and philosophy are concerned. You didn't dispute that. All you did was pander to his biology credentials - which by the way we all applaud - but that as fantastic as it may be does nothing to change the fact that Dawkins is a dunce in respect to philosophy and theology.[/quote]https://www.nairaland.com/1192447/religion-no-place-21st-century#14292503

Enigma ran away?


Enigma and Anony, where is your evidence of Dawkins dunce-like philosophy? Where is his dunce-like argument?

@ betathings,


Stop playing strawmen and address the topic. It is clear that some mulsim countries search for porn more than Western ones.

What does this mean to islam and how do we go from there?

vedaxcool: ^

Did the website says watch or search?

Watch and search are not the same thing even in depres-siopia! Again did the website specifically state the religion of those who searched such things on google? No, remember it says SEARCH ON GOOGLE NOT WATCH meaning in very clear terms that non muslim countries might be the highest watchers of porn, the wikipedia webpage I showed in my earlier response shows clearly the highest consumers of Por$n remain western country, remember search and watch are not the same thing, you are the ones drawing such conclusions, as I indicated earlier non muslims plus bad muslims could actually be the ones searching such stuff since the google statistics only states countries not the actually persons and their religions who make such search, again you are the ones assuming that muslims are the ones searching such stuff and saying such without proof! Again SEARCH and watch are NEVER THE SAME! Even the king of depressiopia and suicidalopia know it is more shamful acting por.n than watching it! And muslims country generally outlaw the watching and production of por.n which most christian country allow! In fact the atheist country of Sweden allows copulating with animal - such degeneration are a general indication of how the more such perversion are allowed the more degenerate it becomes! As for the wrongness or rightness of po.rn, truly you that live by anything goes should not expect your opinion to carried any more serious than a paper falling off a dustbin in this discussion!

Watching or searching is not the issue. Your muslims still search for special kinds of po.rn more than the Western countries. Isnt this shameful? Why not admit that muslims are no more moral than christians or atheists.

[quote author=tpia@]well, i see your point but it can be a fine line sometimes.

however, his endorsement by logicboy would make him seem rather suspect, just saying.

although it doesnt really take from what he was trying to say with the other topic.

however, on nl, its always wiser to assume a poster has an agenda, and might not be who they say they are.[/quote]From your own bible

The wicked run when no one chases

tobechi74: Just wondering what logic boy last word would be

Are you sick? Go and think about the death of yourself not me.


Wetin concern you with my last words.

To all the haters that choose to focus on strawmen (atheists) rather than parenting, I will give you my replies to Bella and Inurmind

Logicboy03: Two possibilites

1)You have been paid/blackmailed by some christian to say this stuff

2)You are confusing commenting anonymously on Nairaland with parenting in real life


number 2 seems more likely

Logicboy03: 1) Wow, so you have nothing to say......keep claiming butthurt when you were clearly debunked
2)How did you arrive at the number of 5 or 6 atheists? Did I tell you that is how much I read? I have read countless websites on parenting both atheist and religious. Furthermore, many websites even have comments. There are even discussions on parenting on reddit. Look at my previous comments
3) Behaviours? What behaviours? Who is more militant here on Nairaland? Do atheists say all christians are fools or do christians say all atheists are fools?
Ahtiests here are on the defensive, mind you. You must be totally ignorant of the threats of hell and insults+curses from your christian brethren to even try to complain about atheists.


As for your question, the op is clear, the atheist parent should not tell the child what to believe but to teach him to look for evidence and base his beliefs on facts. So, why would I tell my child not to believe in god? All I have to do is to question everything and follow the evidence. If he or she finds islam or christianity or paganism, goodluck to him or her.


We havent even mentioned the christians that kick teenage children to the streets for leaving christianity. You are one to talk

davidylan:

logic surely got his butt handed to him on this ill-fated thread

I am yet to see one proper rebuttal to my op. None of you put evidence. All of you just ran to criticise logicboy and also claim that atheists are angry.


look at the title and lets talk about parenting

Neddivine: Logicboy:

Bélla3:blasting ke?

Sharaap Why are you intent on exposing me?


This lady could easily expose the hypocrisy of this so called logicboy and even make him confess.Read the posts before his final confession and see how he tried to hide/pretend at first.You may think it was all a joke but this tells me clearly this individual knows fully well he's wrong about God but continues to pretend just to use heavy grammar he possesses to win arguements against God.Your conscience will find u out at the end.I await ur usual blasts.

Thank you for not understanding the context of the comment. Was that comment relarted to the op/topic?

Notice how the following people play the strawman of focusing on nairaland atheists rather than addressing the parenting issues.

Keep derailing. Notice that Inurmind never put the evidence forward when I asked him to show me where NL atheists told him about raising their kids

davidylan: finally. An atheists say what we have all been saying... the atheists in NL are angry... so angry... you wonder why. Surely they cant be angry because we have chosen to worship Christ?

inurmind: Neat!
But I have to confess alot of the atheists on nairaland are more like antitheists, a lot of anger involved, they might end up being as paranoid as most Christians in raising up their kids.

inurmind: Okay but that doesn't address the aggressiveness of atheists on nairaland. I just think it's pure hypocrisy to bash a set of people for being what you are becoming: sentimental and prejudiced.

Enigma: Someone or other said Christians on this board have not watched the video or are not tackling Dawkins' argument. RUBBISH.

As I said before Dawkins' are the same juvenile nonsense and idiotic rants that the dunce's lapdogs repeat here ad nauseam. Who's going to waste his time with that.

Dawkins is a theological and philosophical dunce. End of.

Again, put the problem with Dawkins argument and show how his philosophy is dunce-like.


#christians making claims that they cant back up

Enigma: Another person who knows a thing or two about philosophy comments on Dawkins' ability below even while commending Dawkins' general literary skills.

http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2012/04/12/3475939.htm

Per Alvin Plantinga

You and Alvin Platinga are liars.

I read the article and it does nothing to rebutt Dawkins philosophy. All it does is complain and give already rebutted answers to the problem of evil and the intelligent design problems

I am yet to see one christian explain the problem of evil and the problem of intelligent design

Your Platinga's argument against the problem of evil is that "God is Complex". Sorry, that is a foolish and lazy argument. If God is all just and good, he cant not have negative qualities and allow people suffer unjustly as we see here on earth and also then send them to hell/destroiy them etc.

As for the second argument on intelligent design, he acknowledged that Dakings argument was right but still proceeded to fill in a God of the gaps and invoking the divine




Please, state what is wrong with Dawkins philosophy before you call him philosophical dunce

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Mtchew telling lies again? Why don't you scroll up to post 14 and see the exact comment you facepalmed.




Also, Enigma is justified in calling Dawkins a dunce as far as theology and philosophy are concerned. You didn't dispute that. All you did was pander to his biology credentials - which by the way we all applaud - but that as fantastic as it may be does nothing to change the fact that Dawkins is a dunce in respect to philosophy and theology.

P/s: When you shoot off your response as you are wont to do, don't forget to tell us exactly what major contributions your hero Dawkins has made to science.[/quote]You christians are the ones that make other christians turn into atheists with your lies and Anonyism.

1)My post came before Enigma's post. He was replying to my comment that I said that Enigma hasnt contributed the way Dawkings has contributed to science. So when you try and claim I huld look at post 14, look at the original post 12 and see the strawman you and Enigma are trying to play. I notice how you guys added "major" when it was not in my original comment.

I clearly said that Dawkins has contributed to science in the way he has championed the teaching of evolution. By the way, every Phd or Masters thesis is a contribution to the field of the degree. Guess you smartazzes didnt know that.


2) Please define "philosophical dunce".
a) Every man is his own philosopher. I would like to know how hard philsophy is.
b) I want to know how many formal debates you have been in to criticize Dawkins philosphy
c) I also want to know why you people (Enigma and coP) have not yet put forward one philosophically wrong argument of Dawkins

Wow....this is embarrassing! Why not just accept the bitter truth?

vedaxcool: Very funny christian countries are the highest producers of po.rn in the entire unniverse and evidently the website have not shown the original site where it got the statistics, even if it is true there possibly two options:
1. This searches were done by bad muslims, just like bad christians act pornographi.c films leading to absurd quantity of por.n films being acted in christians country!

What does it matter that christians produced it? The muslims in those countries watched it when it was not even produced primarily for their market. This makes it even worse. Imagine if there were even muslim produced po.rn industries in the middle east? Two times worse.

As for claiming that the muslims that watch porn are bad, you are mistaken. They are just like you. If even watching po.rn is a sin, have you not sinned worse than that? Can the po.rn watchers not repent?

vedaxcool: 2. Christians visiting/living in the ME could have been the ones perpetually searching por.n upon por.n(egypt has 10 million christians) so this could mainly the hand work of non muslims and few bad muslims!

So, without proof, you blame the watching of po.rn on the christian minority in the middle east? Isnt this shameful and wrong? If it is a christian minority doing it, how then is it surpassing christian majority countries? Be reasonable- it has to be mostly muslims watching it.

vedaxcool: This website is gives us the top producers and consumers of por.n (christian and other non muslim nations) and you would see that po.rn is legal mostly in christians and non muslim countries
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography_by_region

lolz....like I said;


What does it matter that christians produced it? The muslims in those countries watched it when it was not even produced primarily for their market. This makes it even worse. Imagine if there were even muslim produced po.rn industries in the middle east? Two times worse.

JeSoul: Unbanned. Go and sin no more.

Amen sister!

ooman: really, is that you, logicboy03?

yes

Pastor Kun:

Be gone troll, in the name of jeebus!

Maclatunji aka Morsi is happy!

They love censorship

Help!

Logiboy03 has been banned twice in the religion section by the spambot. Banned for the same post and banned till 25th of february!

Please remove the ban!

justaqad: I WAS TRYING TO CREATE HUMOR IN AN ALREADY DRIED THREAD. MY BAD HE DIDNT SEE IT.
I AM GLAD YOU APPRECIATED IT

No need to explain yourself......Vedaxcool is just looking for cheap points. That what he does after being debunked.

vedaxcool: Yawns . . . Did the christian issue threats yes or no?

You can like to read the title f this thread

Is it talking about riots?

vedaxcool: Lol . . . Sayeth the follower of Manmuswac. It has its benefits, you call JeSoul a hypocrite and escape being banned, you insult other posters and derail threads without being banned in the Religion Section!

as usual you pass your crimes unto others to relive yourself of what? Your depression? . . .

Fail


I dont follow Manmustwacc. Especially like how you go around defending your master, Mac

The rest of your accusations are hyperbole.

vedaxcool: Brother you said it all, being a PLAIN NUISANCE, what would you expect when she follows logicboy around like his shadow? Surprising being that she is a christian that follows an atheists almost akin to a follower that follows her leader, And you know the adage about dogs and goats, that if a goat hangs around a dog long enough, the goat would eventually eat shi.t!

lol....sayeth the follower of Maclatunji. It has its benefits, you derail threads without being banned on the islam section

vedaxcool: www.nairaland.com/1185102/disgrace-threatening-el-rufai-nigerian

So the entire thread was a fraud after-all!

Yawn......Did christians riot? Yes or no?

vedaxcool: Have you clarified that with logicboy?

Vedaxcool is pained.


More grease to your elbow Justaqad!

hadbak: @ macdaddy.., if a muslim like justaqad tinks he is loosing his identity to the arabs just by mere bearing abubakar an islamic name whc is in arab lang, then do i see ur fault?

No doubt, all men are equal n no one is disrespecting d culture of another. I don't know ur definition of disrespect of culture. Bcus d quran is revealed in arabic lang dsnt make it disrespecful to oda langes, arabic is only a lang of the quran n the messenger,

To b continue sleep is doing me..

Must one say Salat in Arabic?