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vedaxcool: Yawns . . . Did the christian issue threats yes or no?

You can like to read the title f this thread

Is it talking about riots?

vedaxcool: Lol . . . Sayeth the follower of Manmuswac. It has its benefits, you call JeSoul a hypocrite and escape being banned, you insult other posters and derail threads without being banned in the Religion Section!

as usual you pass your crimes unto others to relive yourself of what? Your depression? . . .

Fail


I dont follow Manmustwacc. Especially like how you go around defending your master, Mac

The rest of your accusations are hyperbole.

vedaxcool: Brother you said it all, being a PLAIN NUISANCE, what would you expect when she follows logicboy around like his shadow? Surprising being that she is a christian that follows an atheists almost akin to a follower that follows her leader, And you know the adage about dogs and goats, that if a goat hangs around a dog long enough, the goat would eventually eat shi.t!

lol....sayeth the follower of Maclatunji. It has its benefits, you derail threads without being banned on the islam section

vedaxcool: www.nairaland.com/1185102/disgrace-threatening-el-rufai-nigerian

So the entire thread was a fraud after-all!

Yawn......Did christians riot? Yes or no?

vedaxcool: Have you clarified that with logicboy?

Vedaxcool is pained.


More grease to your elbow Justaqad!

hadbak: @ macdaddy.., if a muslim like justaqad tinks he is loosing his identity to the arabs just by mere bearing abubakar an islamic name whc is in arab lang, then do i see ur fault?

No doubt, all men are equal n no one is disrespecting d culture of another. I don't know ur definition of disrespect of culture. Bcus d quran is revealed in arabic lang dsnt make it disrespecful to oda langes, arabic is only a lang of the quran n the messenger,

To b continue sleep is doing me..

Must one say Salat in Arabic?

maclatunji: See ignorance on display. "A friend told me", in Bella's world, once a friend says something, it has to be true. Great thinking we have here.

Please, where is your proof that Seun was threatened? I hope you can define what a threat is whilst you are at it.

Shameless.


Denying an obvious truth. Everyone knows that Seun was sent a threat

maclatunji: *Yawns*

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hadbak: @ OP... don't forget to read/say your salat in yoruba language so that u will not loose ur identity to the Arabs..

SMH....so people that cant speak Arabic say their salat in Arabic? Is that the meaning of this?

hadbak: I don't want to agree wit u on d bases that if u bear Abubakar u are seen as an arab, If u say a muslim I agree. No doubt d name may have an arab origin nevertheless, Arabic is the language of d Quran n d messenger, so if u bear an arabic name ur simply identifying as a muslim n not an arab. Its not a coincidence/mistake that d quran is in d arabic language but of Allah's desires. This is how u as a muslim shld see it rather than saying ur losing ur identity by ur name sounding arabic in nature while ur not an arab. Ur identity as a muslim shld be more important/shld superceed any identity. God creater us all into various tribes n nation but stil choose Arabic language for His religion... don't u think if He desire He could have made us into one nation/tribe? Its a blessing to the arabs for Allah to esteem Arabic language by making it d Quran language, so don't hold it against them.. If the quran language hadn't been arabic n yet d quran came from the arabs then, I wil have a problem if u bear an arab name(abubakar) else I dnt see y u shld stress ur nerves..

Justaqad, are you seeing your muslim brethren? A blessing to be Arab?

Justaqad, you are not seeing the whole problem, only a part. The problem is that some muslims already take Arab language/culture to be divine and better than their own due to islam. Which is very wrong.


And Tbaba wants me to believe in this religion. A religion that I would have to accept that God chose to reveal the truth in Arabic while my ancestors who have a history older than the Arabs were not only ignored when this truth was being revealed to the Arab man but also enslaved a century after by the same Arabs.


My stance is simple; all men are equal and we should equally repsect other peoples culture. We shouldnt disrepect ur culture in place of a foreign one.The truth should have been revealed to all not to one group in one language.

olaade21: logicboy had to run cause you see most of these so called Christians are brainwashed by their pastors and all.
they tell them such horrible things and they see the surface.i will show him even thousand more images of christian cruelty.
Nonsense.
He should learn to read more and learn about how the roman catholic church and church of england and co are being led by Freemasons and Occults.
Then he will see that even the people brainwashing him are simply devilish people.They will soon here wen,when even these blood suckers turn on Christianity itself.They want to first finish Islam before they now turn on Christianity.But as they PLOT,Allah stays millions of years ahead of them and PLOTS EVEN BETTER.WHO IS THE BEST OF PLOTTERS.BRING IT ON.

1) Logicboy is not a christian. He doesnt beleive in God. Logicboy is also not a westerner

2) All you have done in reply to my criticisms about islam is to complain about the West and bombing of Iraq etc. Two wrongs do not make a right

3) Millions are leaving islam
http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.interfax-religion.com%2F%3Fact%3Dnews%26div%3D513&date=2011-09-18


4) I am logicboy

5) logicboy was banned from this section, he didnt run away

Tbaba....we just have to agree to disagree.


To be honest, I am starting to feel that there is no reasoning with even some educated muslims.

tintingz: I salute my fello muslims in this thread ya'll gave a good and educative reply like tbaba and vedaxcool

I agree with some of Logicboy post letter tho...and again he didnt say anything about the comedians that use Jesus for their jokes while many christians watching it will laugh at it

Vedaxcool? Seriously?

(Comedians making fun of Jesus actaully butresses my point. Think)


Anyways thanks for dropping in.

tbaba1234: Like i promised, I would address the topic. Just had to clear out the garbage first. Plus i was watching Nigeria's match. phew!! Those boys will not kill me ..

The Op has made some decent points. We are all Nigerians and we all essentially want the same things, food, shelter, clothing, peace and security for ourselves and our loved ones. But, I do not know if you are sending your message to the right audience. The vast majority of muslims in Nigeria are peace-loving citizens. I have been a muslim all my life and i have been blessed to meet muslims from across the world, I have never come across one with extreme views or thoughts in Nigeria or elsewhere. Some of the kindest people, i have met in my life have been arab muslims.

The Nigerian problem is multi-faceted. Even though a religious angle does exist, those sentiments are usually fuelled by ethic and political interests, high unemployment rate, cultural heritage and low literacy levels. Non-hausa muslims are also in trouble when a riot breaks out in some parts of the north. Some of my good friends are Northern muslims and they are excellent muslims so this is not in any way an indictment on all Northerners.

As regards, El rufai comments. He will be the first to acknowledge that it goes against the basic Islamic teaching to say things like that against a messenger of God. That is Islam 101. Muslims shouldn't even say things against a pagan god.

Like the Quran says:

“Do not revile those they call on beside God, so they, in their hostility, revile God, without knowledge” [6:108]

This is a direct instruction to muslims not to insult the gods of others so that they do not in their ignorance insult God.

Muslims are very sensitive about insults to our revered, God and his messengers. I personally can't stand seeing a joke making fun of Jesus (A.S.) or Moses (A.S.). That is how sensitive we are, some people do get really emotional about these things and do things that are totally against the religion or Sometimes peaceful protests are hijacked by miscreants.

I will disagree with you on one point, Saying extremists have a 'stronghold'. It is absolutely not true. They are vocal because of all the bombs going off but like i said, i have never met one. The only one i saw was probably on an Islamic facebook page but he was promptly banned by the admin. The mainstream scholars from saudi arabia to the west to Nigeria have all condemned attacks on civilians.

I have never heard a speech talking about perpetuating violence or killing in a mosque before. I only hear about the good stuff. Well, at least in the south west . In the north, from discussions with my friends, there isn't much of a sermon in many places. Maybe, there could be some improvement there.

Education is key but it would be a gradual painful process. I say it all the time, if muslims understood the Quran we had and really imbibed it , we will be a different nation. It is such an incredible book.

It is something i hope to be involved in, soon , Insha Allah!.

Islam brought enlightenment to the muslim world, for centuries they were at the top of science, arts and innovation. Knowledge from civilisations were preserved in Arabic books, this was vital for the european renaissance. Islam is not adverse to innovation even though muslim countries have survived a decline over the last 2 centuries, with colonialism and the fall of the Islamic state.

You suggestions are actually very good but it fails to take into consideration Nigeria's peculiar ethnic and political divides. The politicians are the ones with the money, they arm miscreants during elections. They rely on religious sentiments so they fan it. It is a decent start but it is a long way to tackling the problem.

I have gotten hate comments from Christians for no other reason but that i am muslim. The hate sometimes is palpable and usually for no reason at all. Islamic threads on Nairaland are filled with hate. I wonder how you can work with people that hate you so much. The word of hate has come from their tongue, only God knows what is in their hearts, possibly far worse. I have seen posts calling for genocide of muslims.

The only difference between a group like boko haram and some of these people is that boko haram actually does it. Otherwise, they belong in the same category of hate.

That is on the religious front

Every tribe has intense hate for the other. I worked briefly in an organisation with yoruba and Igbos as my colleagues and the kind of back-biting going on, was incredible. I do not belong to any of the major tribes so i was a neutral in all of this.

This is on the ethnic front.

To place the blame solely on Islam is unfair even though i do acknowledge that work needs to be done. On educating people on their faith and lifting the literacy levels in certain parts of the country but most importantly turning the corner on the systemic rot in Nigeria as a whole.

Thanks.. and forgive if i might have rambled a bit.

Really? One long comment offering nothing new but to praise islam and to shift the burden of responsibility for the riots to culture and politics.

First, you claim that you have never met one extremist muslim. That is a lie. A very big lie. Even I that has never been a muslim have met extremists both in real life and seen clerics espouse extremist rhetoric on youtube. I remember being in school in Nigeria and seeing a mallam wearing a T-shirt with Osama's picture. That image has never left my mind


Second, you then shift the burden to economic, cultural and political factors. These are all minor factors compared to the factor of religion because the reason for the riots were anti-islamic (Muhammad cartoons and Miss World pageant- haraam dressing for women)

Third, you then claim that islam forbids the insult of other gods of other religions. This is a lie as shirk is in itself a forbidden in islam and an insult upon Allah. Also, this is quite irrelevant to the topic.


Fourth, you then claim that extremists dont have a stronghold. I would like to know how Boko Haram crushed the will of the government, forcing the govt to negotiate with them. Or I will like to know where there has been a christian or pagan riot that claimed lives in recent times due to blasphemy. Denial, denial denial.

Fifth, you then claim that you have never heard a cleric/imam espouse extremist views in mosques. Seriously? SERIOUSLY?? A fish has a better chance of denying that water is wet.

sixth, you then rubbish my great suggestions claiming that they dont take into account the cultural/political aspects of it. I am focusing on religion with my solutions!! Furthermore, I mentioned education and employment, did I not.


Lastly, you then divert to complaining about christian hate and also tribalism.





Seriously, I am disappointed. There is no bargaining/negotiating with you people. Your religion is perfect.

vedaxcool: And you want us to believe you understand anything about conflicts in the North? After all you people simply have no evidence for your claims except conjecture which seem more like an attempt to read peoples' mind like your signature indicates, unless atheism come with mind reading abilities if you read your reply which happens to assume various interests in starting conflicts, you would come to realize that it consist nothing more than simplistic pandering to matters that are quite complicated in a lot of sense!

Ok. Stop derailing. We all agree with you. Islam does no wrong and muslims are perfect. Move along.



Lets hear what Tbaba and other responsible muslims have to say

vedaxcool: Lol true but not in my case, I have tested my faith like swallowing poison in the name of jesus as commanded by jesus and nothing happened to me . . . In my name they shall cast demons, hold serpents and take poison . . . You christians don't disappoint in the highly "logically" way you present things , ally yourselves even with satanist, all we always get from you and your allies are amazing display of ignorance of how things are!

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tbaba1234: I will address the topic but i will first clear the dust raised by mistranslated and misquoted ayat.

Lesley Hazleton is far more educated about the middle east and Islam than many people here. She has written (or is writing) books on Islamic history and the biography of the prophet so she understands what the Quran is talking about..

She doesnt understand Arabic as she said that she was still learning when she made that video. She also is not even stable in her beliefs. She holds no serious credibility on the Quran.


Please address the topic

The bible is also a book used by conmen/fraudsters to acquire private jets and immunity from persecution (touch not my anointed)

MacDaddy01: Bible in one sentence;




The bible is a book which contains slavery yet preaches equality, contains genocide but preaches love your neighbor and it creates religious people but also hypocrites


-logicboy

wiegraf: I much prefer it when there are more xtians with the temerity to debate us. That's why I like having him and @anony around

lol.....I agree.

[quote author=Mos_D]A library within itselfA library within itselfA library within itself[/quote]The bible don turn inception?


A dream within a dream within a dream?

Tgirl4real: Who gave mystery that definition?

Dictionary meaning

mys·ter·y 1 Pronunciation (mst-r)
n. pl. mys·ter·ies
1. One that is not fully understood or that baffles or eludes the understanding; an enigma:

Because you can't understand doesn't mean it isn't real or it doesn't exist. It's confusing to you cos God that created you, has decided to give you a brain that can not comprehend such. Which shows that he is greater than you.

Saying something is not real because there is no evidence or clue (according to u) to support it, is true, but only scientifically due to human limitations.

Science itself is a product of the human intellect and it is limiting (of course, thank baba God that gave us the gift to think and create)



Who formulated this theory?

This is still a limitation of your human brain.



What is antimatter? What is gas? Are they not words created from the human mind? Have u seen where the creation reasons out its creator?

wow, so many failed arguments. Where is Ihedinobi?

Tgirl4real: Good! Who set the process in motion? How come u didn't evolve or drop from d sky? Why did it have to take a man impregnating a woman to produce U?

Sorry to say, dis ya atheist argument is lame. I'm a Christ follower/believer, right? But that isn't the case here. I see atheists as people with too little brain to reason out a simple logic. The same reason u give to debunk theist arguments debunk yours (may be I don't know ur explanation about d existence of the earth/man yet) as well.

Talking about spiritism, could u pls prove to me scientifically how someone in Nigeria will travel to India while his body still remains here and he is holding a meeting in India at d same time?

Me I wan learn o.

Spirits do not exist. No evidence.


It is like me claiming to fly. No evidence for human body flight. None.

Please, read about evolution before we discuss.

Tgirl4real: @ Macdaddy,

The fact that u were born of a woman, alive and kicking is evidence there is God whether u believe or not.

The fact that I was born of a woman, alive and kicking is evidence of the human reproductive system and and evolutionary system of reproduction to continue to existence of a species! Nothing more

Image123: the then world was blazing towards complete godlessness at a pace not planned. innocent children would be spared of a hopeless ETERNITY.

Image123!!!


Seriously?


Godlessness is not a bad thing. There is a difference between Godlessness and evil. I am godless. Do you have the guts to call me evil or immoral?



Now, what was the use of flooding the earth to remake another exact one? There was no difference.

Why did Ihedinobi and co ignore my comment?

Did I debunk the shytt out of them?

MacDaddy01: This is the foolishness of theists/deists appearing again.


There is no evidence for god. You people keep using the same dead arguments.

Please, notice that all their evidence for god is based on mystery. How can a mystery be evidence when a mystery by definition is confusion because there is no evidence/clues to explain it.



Mysteries used as evidence for God;

-Ihedinobi starts the thread with the mystery of "self sufficiency"
-Deepsight and Enigma use the origin of the universe to claim God exists. (No one knows the full origin of the universe)
-Miracles. Something mysteriously happens (eg a person defeats cancer) and it is God that did it!



Seriously?


Let me debunk the Cosmological arguments for God once and for all
-Whatever the origin or cause of the universe we do not fully know. Anything that tries to explain it without empirical evidence or some data is a hypothesis.

-We can easily explain how something can come from something. We have no evidence nor reason to believe that an immaterial spirit being can create something.

-We have no evidence for spirits or invisible beings not now or ever. You cant even explain what a spirit is? Is it antimatter or gas? How would a spirit be able to create the world? One mystery used to explain the mystery of the origin of our universe!




#theism/deism debunked.

obadiah777: i smoked the words of Yahawah. so you know everything i wrote is scriptural right ? which parts of it do you disagree with and i will supply backing verses

Okay, how does the scriptures say that Africans are going to rule the earth?

Is it black afticans or the Arab looking ones in Egypt and Tunisia

obadiah777: you dont say

Of course!

obadiah777: oh the horror of it all . Tpia is drunk this morning again. omuti oshi

When Buzugee calls someone drunk, I accept it with no questions. Buzugee is the father of Ciroc and weeed!



Now, Tpia, you must have some mental problems. Please, find out how to solve them

This is the foolishness of theists/deists appearing again.


There is no evidence for god. You people keep using the same dead arguments.

Please, notice that all their evidence for god is based on mystery. How can a mystery be evidence when a mystery by definition is confusion because there is no evidence/clues to explain it.



Mysteries used as evidence for God;

-Ihedinobi starts the thread with the mystery of "self sufficiency"
-Deepsight and Enigma use the origin of the universe to claim God exists. (No one knows the full origin of the universe)
-Miracles. Something mysteriously happens (eg a person defeats cancer) and it is God that did it!



Seriously?


Let me debunk the Cosmological arguments for God once and for all
-Whatever the origin or cause of the universe we do not fully know. Anything that tries to explain it without empirical evidence or some data is a hypothesis.

-We can easily explain how something can come from something. We have no evidence nor reason to believe that an immaterial spirit being can create something.

-We have no evidence for spirits or invisible beings not now or ever. You cant even explain what a spirit is? Is it antimatter or gas? How would a spirit be able to create the world? One mystery used to explain the mystery of the origin of our universe!




#theism/deism debunked.

Bible in one sentence;




The bible is a book which contains slavery yet preaches equality, contains genocide but preaches love your neighbor and it creates religious people but also hypocrites


-logicboy