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ghazzal: what if God really is the "First Cause" responsible for "singularity", What is there actually is a Supernatural Master Architect, what if there actually is One responsible for the begining of the Universe. What if all the above is very true and our knowledge is just not enough to comprehend it all? What if there is truely just 1 life that will end in Hell or Heaven, .........

ijawkid: Don't get too worked up bro...
Its gonna be a spiritual war.....Yahweh and His son and the angels would be the one fighting that war....

I don't have to pick up arms...:-).....

Get ready!!!!......

That war is imminent

Omo Alata: If the 'lies' kept me out of trouble ......... what harm did it do?

Omo Alata: Yes. How?

MacDaddy01: Keep telling your children that homosexuals are evil. I laughed at one Nigerian who was fired from his job in london for being a homophobe and intolerant to gays in the workplace. He has no way to take care of his family.


Apparently, the man was raised as a christian in Nigeria, he was enjoying his homophobia and anti-gay stance when he was young. It came back to bite him in the azz when he was a fully grown man.


Another example is evolution. Keep lying to children that god created the world. When they grow up and are working for organisations that deal with science or drugs or human life and they start making anti-evolution comments only to be ridiculed and maybe fired for ignorance, you peeps will learn

Reyginus: How?

ijawkid: The war of the great day of Yahweh.....

That War is what will bring about absolute peace...

It won't be fought by humans.....Yahweh and his king designate(Yehshua a.k.a Jesus) will be the ones battling it out.....

World rulers and there governments would be broken and crushed to pieces......

That war would bring lasting benefits to those who had done the will of Jesus's Father,but would Bring annihilation on those who do not Love God......

k2039: [color=#FF0099]
2 Corinthians 3:18 New International Version (©1984)
And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the Lord's glory, are being transformed into his likeness with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.


The Image of God, can only be observed within "God's Qualities".
One must become the mirror, and reflect "God's Qualities"(One must reflect the qualities of the source(God), back to the source).
God created us in Reality to be an actual likeness of Himself, immortal, secure, omniscient, etc.But in this present world we are limited, mortal, insecure, powerless, ignorant, etc. In the fullness of time we will be exactly like the father.[/color]

Ptolomeus: Go!
The Uruguayans are news, not just for football ... (Lol)
José Mujica was a guerrilla. He belonged to a famous guerrilla group called "Tupamaros" which appeared in the late '60s and '70s.
José Mujica spent 12 years imprisoned by the military dictatorship of the time, and today is the president of the republic.
The "Broad Front", a coalition of leftist parties, Mujica achieved with a second term of government in 2010.
José Mujica lives on a small farm, producing flowers, and his life is exactly as explained at the beginning of the thread.
After this second period inzquierda government, the country has made great progress economically, almost can be said that there is no corruption (very serious problem in countries such as Argentina).
And if, indeed, Mujica is an atheist ...
I'm under the orders to report, what the brothers want to know about this topic.

Thank you for the beautiful thread, dear friend MacDaddy01

Deep Sight: Please stop embarrassing yourself with your repeated failure to read. He said - The universe had a beginning therefore it was caused. At this first premise, he has not said created. He said caused. And it is impossible to accede to a beginning without acceding to a cause. IT IS DISMAL, that you can fail to recognize that all the examples you gave are CAUSES. Even in a cyclic model where the universe arises from another universe - then that is STILL A CAUSE.

As such, once you accede to a beginning, you accede to a cause. The question then remains WHAT is the cause. That is where the discussion now starts from. At this point we will begin to consider the nature of matter and energy and make suggestions that can be queried by logic. It is thus wrong for you to accede to a beginning and deny a cause. Do not assume that when the word "cause" is used in the discussion, we have automatically presumed God.

The cause could validly be held to be a principle, a force, a reaction from somthing else, etc.

However it is in the very cowardly nature of most atheists on this forum, that they would NEVER even permit the discussion to reach this stage where we begin to discuss what the cause could possibly be. Virtually EVERY single discussion I have had with atheists on this forum since i registered in 2009 has be limited to the simple fact that they would very illogically and dishonestly close the conversation at the very early stage by inanely stating and holding that -

- There is no reason to say that the universe had a beginning: [thehomer/ martian/ jayriginal] and they say this even though it contradicts the science of the matter

- There is no reason to say that even if it has a beginning, it has a cause - and they say this even though it contradicts the science of the matter

The very ridiculous amongst them would also go [b]as far as to say that -

- There is no definition of the word God, and so no discussion on the matter can hold AT ALL [Idehn: and he has NEVER discussed beyond this.]

- Time and Space do not exist at all and only exist in the human mind [Idehn again: violently against all science, reason and logic]

- We do not know that anything that begins has a cause [Jayriginal: violently against the science of the matter]

NONE of these people have ever ventured to discuss in substance what could possibly be tenable propositions of the actual cause itself.

For these reasons, I am sorry, but I find it difficult to take anyone of them seriously in the least: because there has never been a time when an articulated discussion of the substance of the issues has even been attempted: not to speak about discussed in-toto.

In short I have never had a serious discussion with any atheist on this forum. It is not serious, when people deny basic reason, and obvious science: to adopt the most ridiculously unscientific positions ever [Kag: things may pop out of nothingness/ Jayriginal: We do not know that movement requires a trigger: this is an assumption and argument from ignorance/ thehomer: Everything is physical and all physical things exist in time, but the singularity is physical and did not, i could go on ad infinitum].

As such, when you see me having a laugh about their very very poor grasp of issues, you should have no wonder about why I tend to view these people as those of whom it may be said: a little learning is a terrible thing indeed. Like village interpreters in colonial times who had a small smatterring of English, they seem to have had a small taste of reading and thus imagine themselves acquainted with certain issues, whilst apparently refusing to use their rational faculties: and in almost all cases, even flinging out the window every slightest scent of logic.

Your case has been far worse than the gentlemen I have mentioned: you have come across, no offence, as clueless toddler with a terrible case of mis-information and even mis-education.

I mean no offence. I speak as I see it.

Thanks.

Ihedinobi: This guy too much. Nope, says he, the universe does not have a cause but it has a beginning that was probably brought about by.......bla bla bla. Is it really possible that he cannot see that he just agreed that the universe had a beginning and a cause? Especially considering that he goes on to produce conjectures about causes?

chrisevans: We are humans..we need to realise dat we need each other to survive..do u wanna say benue ppl don't pay tithes? But thousands of them are homeless now...and God sat and watched while the city was getting flooded (they say he is omnipresent, so he saw it!)...forget tithes...give ur 10% to charity...they need it more than God...

Omo Alata: If the 'lies' kept me out of trouble ......... what harm did it do?

styca: Hello people this is just to get you thinking:
What if you wake one fine morning and it dawn on you that you have been lied to, that everything you know,every belief you hold dear is all lies,
what do you do?
How will you cope with this realization?
will you ever forgive those that lied to you, that made you believe those lies all these while?
what will be your out look to life?

nonylove: you are very wrong nobody is forcing you to bring money to church we are obeying His commandment by doing so. and we benefit more when we do it. am a living testimony.

diluminati: are just talking what we know and what we individually believe in? does that make it the absolute and universal truth?
you hae reasons to let me know there is God and i also have counter reasons there isnt. so its just like a merrygo round, a world that never ends, so why are we trying to convince each other when there is no absolute truth, no concensus? why must i think like you? why dont it just be, do your own why i do mine?

Omo Alata: There is an absolute truth that God exists

obadiah777: A HUMBLE SPIRIT. WHO TOLD YOU GANDHI WAS A HUMBLE GUY ? THE GUY WAS A SELF SERVING MAN WHO STARTED HIS CRUSADE BECAUSE HE GOT KICKED OFF A TRAIN BY WHITE PEOPLE IN SOUTH AFRICA. HE FELT THAT BLACKS ARE THE ONES WHO DESERVED SUCH TREATMENT NOT INDIANS. DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A HUMBLE GUY TO YOU ?

HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS URUGUAYAN IS A HUMBLE GUY ? HUMILITY IS NOT IN LACK OF MATERIAL POSSESSIONS. HUMILITY IS IN YOUR SPIRIT.

obadiah777: THE BEGINNING OF THE 'CHURCH' IS WHEN WORKERS WERE NEEDED. IF YOU ARE A VERY ENERGETIC AND PASSIONATE PERSON, ALBEIT USING THESE PASSIONS FOR EVIL THINGS, PEOPLE LIKE THIS MAKE THE MOST DEVOUT AND PASSIONATE WORKERS OF GOD. SHOW ME A PASSIONATE PERSON AND I WILL SHOW YOU A POTENTIAL WARRIOR OF THE LORD. THE LORD NEEDED WARRIORS WHEN THE FOUNDATION WAS BEEN LAID. PASSIONATE WARRIORS. THATS WHY HE CHOSE SAUL AND MOSES AND KING DAVID AND KING SOLOMON ETC WHEN HE NEEDED HIS SPIRIT TO BE PUT IN WORDS. WHAT DO THESE MEN HAVE IN COMMON ? PASSION. ONE OF THEM WAS A MURDERER, THE OTHER A RABID HATER OF THE WORD OF GOD AND THE OTHER A PASSIONATE WOMANIZER WHO MARRIED 1000 WIVES. THE POINT HERE IS , THERE IS A TIME FOR EVERYTHING, A TIME TO LAUGH, A TIME TO CRY, A TIME TO PLAY AND A TIME TO DIE. THE LORD NEEDED PASSIONATE PEOPLE, HE GOT PASSIONATE PEOPLE AND FLIPPED THEIR BAD HABITS INTO SOMETHING GOOD SO THEY CAN APPLY THEIR PASSION INTO IT.

HOWEVER THE SPIRIT IS IN PRINT, HE DOES NOT NEED PASSIONATE PEOPLE NOW. HE NEEDS HUMBLE PEOPLE. ITS A TIME FOR HUMILITY NOW.

obadiah777: NO HE IS NOT. HE IS ONLY FOR THE HUMBLE AND DOWNTRODDEN. IF HE SEES A HUMBLE SPIRIT IN YOU THEN HE WILL DIRECT YOU TO WHO WILL OPEN UP THE PARABLES TO YOU OR HE MAY EVEN OPEN UP YOUR EYES SO YOU CAN DECODE THE PARABLES YOURSELF. THE LORD CHOOSES YOU, YOU DONT CHOOSE THE LORD.

ijawkid: Jesus Christ was a perfect good man....

He didn't steal nobody's money or tricked people....he didn't oppress the poor nor engage in vile acts...

So any 1 who professes to be a christians but acts contrary to Jesus's words and actions isn't a christian...

Thank u!!!

obadiah777: SCRIPTURE DO SAY HE SPEAKS IN PARABLES AND USING HIDDEN WORDS

PSALMS 78 VS 2 I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter hidden things

ijawkid: $

Lol

Exactly..

When the members pay so much tithe ,the OGA daddy gets phantoms and bombadier challengers...

SMH!!!!!

obadiah777: ANY KNOWLEDGE THAT IS OUTSIDE THE BIBLE IS MANS KNOWLEDGE. SCRIPTURE SAYS 'THE KNOWLEDGE OF MAN IS FOOLISHNESS TO THE LORD'. AS SUCH I AM SURPRISED THAT A SUPPOSED YAHAWAH BELIEVER LIKE MR ANONY CALLED YOU INTELLIGENT BASED ON YOUR MAN MADE KNOWLEDGE. HE NEEDS TO BE LASHED THOROUGHLY WITH LANYARD FOR BEING IN CONTRAVENTION OF THIS HERE LAW - ISAIAH 5 VS 20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!