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2 Corinthians 3:18 New International Version (©1984)
And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the Lord's glory, are being transformed into his likeness with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.


The Image of God, can only be observed within "God's Qualities".
One must become the mirror, and reflect "God's Qualities"(One must reflect the qualities of the source(God), back to the source).
God created us in Reality to be an actual likeness of Himself, immortal, secure, omniscient, etc.But in this present world we are limited, mortal, insecure, powerless, ignorant, etc. In the fullness of time we will be exactly like the father.[/color]

Commot for road jo with your nonsense preaching. You think writing in a sexy font will hide your BS?

Ptolomeus: Go!
The Uruguayans are news, not just for football ... (Lol)
José Mujica was a guerrilla. He belonged to a famous guerrilla group called "Tupamaros" which appeared in the late '60s and '70s.
José Mujica spent 12 years imprisoned by the military dictatorship of the time, and today is the president of the republic.
The "Broad Front", a coalition of leftist parties, Mujica achieved with a second term of government in 2010.
José Mujica lives on a small farm, producing flowers, and his life is exactly as explained at the beginning of the thread.
After this second period inzquierda government, the country has made great progress economically, almost can be said that there is no corruption (very serious problem in countries such as Argentina).
And if, indeed, Mujica is an atheist ...
I'm under the orders to report, what the brothers want to know about this topic.

Thank you for the beautiful thread, dear friend MacDaddy01

Jose Mujica es genial

Deep Sight: Please stop embarrassing yourself with your repeated failure to read. He said - The universe had a beginning therefore it was caused. At this first premise, he has not said created. He said caused. And it is impossible to accede to a beginning without acceding to a cause. IT IS DISMAL, that you can fail to recognize that all the examples you gave are CAUSES. Even in a cyclic model where the universe arises from another universe - then that is STILL A CAUSE.

As such, once you accede to a beginning, you accede to a cause. The question then remains WHAT is the cause. That is where the discussion now starts from. At this point we will begin to consider the nature of matter and energy and make suggestions that can be queried by logic. It is thus wrong for you to accede to a beginning and deny a cause. Do not assume that when the word "cause" is used in the discussion, we have automatically presumed God.

The cause could validly be held to be a principle, a force, a reaction from somthing else, etc.

However it is in the very cowardly nature of most atheists on this forum, that they would NEVER even permit the discussion to reach this stage where we begin to discuss what the cause could possibly be. Virtually EVERY single discussion I have had with atheists on this forum since i registered in 2009 has be limited to the simple fact that they would very illogically and dishonestly close the conversation at the very early stage by inanely stating and holding that -

- There is no reason to say that the universe had a beginning: [thehomer/ martian/ jayriginal] and they say this even though it contradicts the science of the matter

- There is no reason to say that even if it has a beginning, it has a cause - and they say this even though it contradicts the science of the matter

The very ridiculous amongst them would also go [b]as far as to say that -

- There is no definition of the word God, and so no discussion on the matter can hold AT ALL [Idehn: and he has NEVER discussed beyond this.]

- Time and Space do not exist at all and only exist in the human mind [Idehn again: violently against all science, reason and logic]

- We do not know that anything that begins has a cause [Jayriginal: violently against the science of the matter]

NONE of these people have ever ventured to discuss in substance what could possibly be tenable propositions of the actual cause itself.

For these reasons, I am sorry, but I find it difficult to take anyone of them seriously in the least: because there has never been a time when an articulated discussion of the substance of the issues has even been attempted: not to speak about discussed in-toto.

In short I have never had a serious discussion with any atheist on this forum. It is not serious, when people deny basic reason, and obvious science: to adopt the most ridiculously unscientific positions ever [Kag: things may pop out of nothingness/ Jayriginal: We do not know that movement requires a trigger: this is an assumption and argument from ignorance/ thehomer: Everything is physical and all physical things exist in time, but the singularity is physical and did not, i could go on ad infinitum].

As such, when you see me having a laugh about their very very poor grasp of issues, you should have no wonder about why I tend to view these people as those of whom it may be said: a little learning is a terrible thing indeed. Like village interpreters in colonial times who had a small smatterring of English, they seem to have had a small taste of reading and thus imagine themselves acquainted with certain issues, whilst apparently refusing to use their rational faculties: and in almost all cases, even flinging out the window every slightest scent of logic.

Your case has been far worse than the gentlemen I have mentioned: you have come across, no offence, as clueless toddler with a terrible case of mis-information and even mis-education.

I mean no offence. I speak as I see it.

Thanks.

Caused and created have two meanings. There is no evidence that it was created.


I said the cause could anything- an oscillated universe being one. Aliens could have created it. We dont know. We dont know what came before the big bang.


You went through writing that epistle of a comment for nothing.

Ihedinobi: This guy too much. Nope, says he, the universe does not have a cause but it has a beginning that was probably brought about by.......bla bla bla. Is it really possible that he cannot see that he just agreed that the universe had a beginning and a cause? Especially considering that he goes on to produce conjectures about causes?

lmao x10!


Retardeen! I said that we dont know what happened before the big bang. I gave speculations of what could happen before the big bang that had no evidence and said that god too is a speculation.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]How's this for a fact: The universe has a beginning therefore it was caused. Do you agree with this at least?[/quote]Nope. The universe had a beginning.

The universe could have been a happening or an occurrence. Example- An explosion of energy and matter from another universe reduced to a particle. An oscillating universe. There are numerous speculations all without evidence.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_model



if even I am to agree with your created universe, how do we know who or what the creator or creators are?

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Lol, we are still yet to experience that your roast beef thought.

How do we infer that the above message was typed by you, why not a race of aliens from the faraway planet Xaquirento?[/quote]We dont assume or infer nonsense. We infer things based on facts.


You infer nonsense about a god creating the earth. The same way another person can infer nonsense without evidence about aliens creating the universe.

chrisevans: We are humans..we need to realise dat we need each other to survive..do u wanna say benue ppl don't pay tithes? But thousands of them are homeless now...and God sat and watched while the city was getting flooded (they say he is omnipresent, so he saw it!)...forget tithes...give ur 10% to charity...they need it more than God...

amen

Omo Alata: If the 'lies' kept me out of trouble ......... what harm did it do?

It will send you to bigger trouble in the future.

styca: Hello people this is just to get you thinking:
What if you wake one fine morning and it dawn on you that you have been lied to, that everything you know,every belief you hold dear is all lies,
what do you do?
How will you cope with this realization?
will you ever forgive those that lied to you, that made you believe those lies all these while?
what will be your out look to life?

Many atheists have passed through this.


You just move on with the facts and try to explain to people your new-found thinking

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Once again, the analogy is lost on you. SMH[/quote]Your a dishonest fellow.


We dont infer, we know cause we experience such thoughts.

We infer from the actions/xters of space, energy and time and the prinicples of the universe that a big bang happened.


How the hell do you infer that god created the universe?

-Why created? Why not occured? Occured from another universe that was crushed into a blackhole etc?

-Why created by a god? Why not created by a race of aliens that died?

nonylove: you are very wrong nobody is forcing you to bring money to church we are obeying His commandment by doing so. and we benefit more when we do it. am a living testimony.

You are quite wrong.

The bible does not support tithing with money

Common sense neither.


Pastors have brainwashed you to pay for their expensive lifestyles. It is one thing to be rich and another to live an expensive lifestyle with private jet and bentleys

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Good, now listen . . . and I hope you get this.

The only way we know that thought exists is by inference from actions. No one has ever seen, heard or touched a thought. we only infer it by observing actions and activity in the brain.

In the same way, the universe, it's working order and the fact that it has a beginning demonstrate that it has a creator.[/quote]Wrong. Please use another analogy. Thoughts are memory based. What constitute our memories? Things that we have visualized (seen) with out eyes and our brain processes and records them. Thoughts are a product of a thinking human brain. We know where our thoughts come from, we know how they are formed. The process is well detailed in neurology. We might not fully know the whole process but we know a lot about it.


Unfortunately your claims about an orderly universe is wrong and so, no such inference can be made on such a premise. There is randomness, order and chaos in nature in the workings of the universe. You cant just select the order, put aside the randomness and then claim that god created an orderly universe.


No one knows what comes before the big bang. Your inference is illogical. The big bang model works without a god. There is no god in the calculations. The inference of a god behind the big bang is pure fantasy.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]lol...........Ok let us settle this argument for once

How do you reach the conclusion that the message you just typed is the product of a mind? No one knows what happened before you started typing.

Whatever causes you to type is unknown. No one knows what went on with you before your message appeared, how can you claim that you are capable of thought? Is this some kind of faith without evidence?[/quote]Throway salute. Epic sophistry there! You fail!


Sorry but your statement in bold makes no sense. The brain is used for thinking- as mapped out by neurologists. Simple thought process. I thought about writing something and my brain and CNS (central nevrvous system) helped me move my hands to type it. It is known.


Thought processes, the human brain and body have been studied to a degree that we understand what happens.


You on the other hand claim to know what happened before the big bang.


Your argument was a fail and very invalid. It made no sense. Please try again

Let us end this argument for once.


Anony and Deepsight, both of you have different gods (Yaweh and deist god)


How do you reach the conclusion that your god made the universe when no one knows what came before the big bang?

Whatever caused or came before the big bang is unknown. How can you claim to know that it is a god? Is it some kind of faith without evidence?

Hail the mighty thor

diluminati: are just talking what we know and what we individually believe in? does that make it the absolute and universal truth?
you hae reasons to let me know there is God and i also have counter reasons there isnt. so its just like a merrygo round, a world that never ends, so why are we trying to convince each other when there is no absolute truth, no concensus? why must i think like you? why dont it just be, do your own why i do mine?

Why shouldnt I convince a religionist that believes that should die because of my disbelief?


Or a religionist that think there should be blasphmey laws?

Or a religiionist that thinks that laws should not be secular but based on his dogmatic religion?



Sorry butyour attempts at being neutral fails

Omo Alata: There is an absolute truth that God exists

There is an absolute truth that you were brainwashed to accept that false statement!

obadiah777: A HUMBLE SPIRIT. WHO TOLD YOU GANDHI WAS A HUMBLE GUY ? THE GUY WAS A SELF SERVING MAN WHO STARTED HIS CRUSADE BECAUSE HE GOT KICKED OFF A TRAIN BY WHITE PEOPLE IN SOUTH AFRICA. HE FELT THAT BLACKS ARE THE ONES WHO DESERVED SUCH TREATMENT NOT INDIANS. DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A HUMBLE GUY TO YOU ?

HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS URUGUAYAN IS A HUMBLE GUY ? HUMILITY IS NOT IN LACK OF MATERIAL POSSESSIONS. HUMILITY IS IN YOUR SPIRIT.

okay and what is this spirit?

obadiah777: THE BEGINNING OF THE 'CHURCH' IS WHEN WORKERS WERE NEEDED. IF YOU ARE A VERY ENERGETIC AND PASSIONATE PERSON, ALBEIT USING THESE PASSIONS FOR EVIL THINGS, PEOPLE LIKE THIS MAKE THE MOST DEVOUT AND PASSIONATE WORKERS OF GOD. SHOW ME A PASSIONATE PERSON AND I WILL SHOW YOU A POTENTIAL WARRIOR OF THE LORD. THE LORD NEEDED WARRIORS WHEN THE FOUNDATION WAS BEEN LAID. PASSIONATE WARRIORS. THATS WHY HE CHOSE SAUL AND MOSES AND KING DAVID AND KING SOLOMON ETC WHEN HE NEEDED HIS SPIRIT TO BE PUT IN WORDS. WHAT DO THESE MEN HAVE IN COMMON ? PASSION. ONE OF THEM WAS A MURDERER, THE OTHER A RABID HATER OF THE WORD OF GOD AND THE OTHER A PASSIONATE WOMANIZER WHO MARRIED 1000 WIVES. THE POINT HERE IS , THERE IS A TIME FOR EVERYTHING, A TIME TO LAUGH, A TIME TO CRY, A TIME TO PLAY AND A TIME TO DIE. THE LORD NEEDED PASSIONATE PEOPLE, HE GOT PASSIONATE PEOPLE AND FLIPPED THEIR BAD HABITS INTO SOMETHING GOOD SO THEY CAN APPLY THEIR PASSION INTO IT.

HOWEVER THE SPIRIT IS IN PRINT, HE DOES NOT NEED PASSIONATE PEOPLE NOW. HE NEEDS HUMBLE PEOPLE. ITS A TIME FOR HUMILITY NOW.

But what is humility? A pastor telling his flock that he is the true messenger of god and they should tithe to him?


Gandhi was a humble guy but not christian


This Uruguayan president is a humble guy but not christian

obadiah777: NO HE IS NOT. HE IS ONLY FOR THE HUMBLE AND DOWNTRODDEN. IF HE SEES A HUMBLE SPIRIT IN YOU THEN HE WILL DIRECT YOU TO WHO WILL OPEN UP THE PARABLES TO YOU OR HE MAY EVEN OPEN UP YOUR EYES SO YOU CAN DECODE THE PARABLES YOURSELF. THE LORD CHOOSES YOU, YOU DONT CHOOSE THE LORD.

For only the humble you say?


Why did he choose Saul? Why? Why?


Saul was a christian killer

ijawkid: Jesus Christ was a perfect good man....

He didn't steal nobody's money or tricked people....he didn't oppress the poor nor engage in vile acts...

So any 1 who professes to be a christians but acts contrary to Jesus's words and actions isn't a christian...

Thank u!!!

lol but Jesus was a racist and a liar!


He was racist to the Canaanite woman

He also lied about his Resurrection and being the son of God

obadiah777: SCRIPTURE DO SAY HE SPEAKS IN PARABLES AND USING HIDDEN WORDS

PSALMS 78 VS 2 I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter hidden things

Isnt God meant for everyone? Why is he confusing people with parables and leaving hidden codes only messengers like Buzugee can decode?

ijawkid: $

Lol

Exactly..

When the members pay so much tithe ,the OGA daddy gets phantoms and bombadier challengers...

SMH!!!!!

lmao!!!

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Frankly I don't know anymore. There are points I expect that with your level of education, you would grasp easily only for you to disappoint me by displaying secondary school level reasoning.
Maybe something happens to you once you meet a keypad, I really can't tell.[/quote]lol.....you're confused.

obadiah777: ANY KNOWLEDGE THAT IS OUTSIDE THE BIBLE IS MANS KNOWLEDGE. SCRIPTURE SAYS 'THE KNOWLEDGE OF MAN IS FOOLISHNESS TO THE LORD'. AS SUCH I AM SURPRISED THAT A SUPPOSED YAHAWAH BELIEVER LIKE MR ANONY CALLED YOU INTELLIGENT BASED ON YOUR MAN MADE KNOWLEDGE. HE NEEDS TO BE LASHED THOROUGHLY WITH LANYARD FOR BEING IN CONTRAVENTION OF THIS HERE LAW - ISAIAH 5 VS 20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Doesnt your God sound like a sick and perverse being? Turning logic upside-down to confuse smart people? Darkness for light and bitter for sweet?


Yaweh got problems.

My respects to you holy pasta. The noodle of reason. The fusili of power!


Praise be to the Spaghetti monster!



[img]http://predisastered.files./2011/01/i-believe-in-you.png[/img]

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Frankly, the more I chat with you on here, the more I doubt my impressions from that meeting[/quote]So, I'm a schizphrenic?


Genius by day, dumbazz by night?

[quote author=Mr_Anony]lol, blaming me for your inadequacy won't help you.[/quote]lol.


This coming from someone claiming that numbers exist in the real world?

dorox: Your pastor is the best person to ask for advice regarding this matter, after all na im garri dey at stake. Though in my opinion it is unwise to bring matters like this here because it provides a cheap oppurtunity for all the fake none tithing christians and their atheist friends to portray our Daddies in the lord as a bunch of unscrupulously greedy narcissistic blood suckers.

LWKMD!!!


So you know that your pastors and MOGs are greedy tithe loving-frauds?

Deep Sight: This instance is just amazing. Frankly amazing.

I can't beleive anyone would be that obtuse.

Obtuse? lol....okay.


Can you please ask Anony why he then found me intelligent after meeting me in person?


I think the problem here is that we are all lost in text....maybe

obadiah777: THATS RICH COMING FROM SOMEONE WHOSE IQ IS AKIN TO HIS AGE NUMBER. YOUR ARGUMENT PREMISE ON THIS FORUM PRECIPITATES THE AURA OF SOMEONE WHO IS NOT WORKING WITH A FULL DECK OF CARDS. AND I AM SURE I AM NOT ALONE IN THIS OBSERVATION

You are not alone in such a dubious observation. In fact your main man, Anony, said that I am very illogical and mature. Unfortunately for him, he had to change his mind when he met me. He agreed that I'm very intelligent after meeting me in person.


Call me the atheist boss