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Enigma: ^^^ By the post above (and your other posts) you show that you are waaaaay out of your league in respect of the discussion on this thread.

Not belittling you per se --- just showing you a little kindness.

Were you ever a catholic?

Did you ever study the history of the catholic church?

im.becile

musKeeto: Lol,very fertile indeed. My aunt had 5 kids in 6 years. It's caused a lot of confusion though. I have Gabonese cousins, and one of them already has a kid at 16. I hope you get the point I'm trying to make with all these.

Nope. What is your point because, my model is based on assumptions and averages. Thats what models are. There are families that have 2 children per couple, some 8.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Lol, let me refresh your memory.

You said:



lol, your mistake if 50 couples(100 adults) produce a total of 100 children and the next generation produces 100 children, that makes 300. The thing you are not factoring in is death. because by the time the next generation adds another 100, the first 100 would have died off and as another 100 comes in, the first 100 also dies off thereby keeping the number at 300 for all eternity.

The only way for the species to increase is by multiplication (geometric progression). Your addition model is flawed and it is a pity that you can't see it.

It is getting very tedious arguing with a blockhead.
[/quote]lol....you are seeing the problem now. An additional model (Arithmetic progression) only works with a large base and an incresing birth rate (more than 2 children on average). However, an additional model works far better than a geometric progression that will give you insanely large number no matter what.

A large base is needed. That is why we could never start from 2 people

JeSoul: Logicboy thanks getting our(MMW & I) backs, much appreciated my atheist brother ...

Part of my reason for leaving this thread open was this, to get one of the mods attention. I don't like to interfere with how other mods run their section so I hope this doesn't come off as such.

Logicboy will testify that I have defended maclatunji in the past (and I don't even know the guy, neither have I had any exchange/discourse with him ever on NL) because I know mods get a bad rap a lot of the time for no good reason & its a thankless job. But the complaints have kept on coming and from different posters. I guarantee you engaging these posters will be far more effective in changing perception than 'silencing' them. At the end of the day, it is the Islam section for muslims, and as always my advice to complaining posters is to simply leave the space for the muslims to be.

cheers & thanks for saying your 2 cents.

I agree with you. Unfortunately it is a sad thing that Islam has to be treated as a special religion and therefor, it gets its own section free from non-muslim criticism. This is the height of intolerance.

Another problem is the one of "blaming others". People are complaining of maclatunji and Vedaxcool is here blaming Jesoul and manmustwacc. how does that make sense in Vedaxcool's head? When someone mentions boko haraam, Vedaxcool will mention the war in Iraq and how American christians are bad. smh


However, this doesn mean that I wont debunk you if you try your christian shenanigans

JeSoul: Logicboy thanks getting our(MMW & I) backs, much appreciated my atheist brother ...

Part of my reason for leaving this thread open was this, to get one of the mods attention. I don't like to interfere with how other mods run their section so I hope this doesn't come off as such.

Logicboy will testify that I have defended maclatunji in the past (and I don't even know the guy, neither have I had any exchange/discourse with him ever on NL) because I know mods get a bad rap a lot of the time for no good reason & its a thankless job. But the complaints have kept on coming and from different posters. I guarantee you engaging these posters will be far more effective in changing perception than 'silencing' them. At the end of the day, it is the Islam section for muslims, and as always my advice to complaining posters is to simply leave the space for the muslims to be.

cheers & thanks for saying your 2 cents.

I agree with you. Unfortunately it is a sad thing that Islam has to be treated as a special religion and therefor, it gets its own section free from non-muslim criticism. This is the height of intolerance.

Another problem is the one of "blaming others". People are complaining of maclatunji and Vedaxcool is here blaming Jesoul and manmustwacc. how does that make sense in Vedaxcool's head? When someone mentions boko haraam, Vedaxcool will mention the war in Iraq and how American christians are bad. smh


However, this doesn mean that I wont debunk you if you try your christian shenanigans

Enigma: ^^^ Please don't mind him and misinformed others saying Eastern Orthodoxy is the same as Roman Catholicism. And specifically on the Bible, Eastern Orthodox churches have different canons from the canon of Roman Catholicism.

See e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_biblical_canons#Eastern_canons

So the eastern orthodox church is now the catholic church? What noinsense

Ihedinobi: Pardonez moi, good sir fool. I actually tried to get into your head. I saw your point which was that there had to be coupling. And that at the assumed rate of reproduction barring any outside marriages, the population couldn't grow so fast. That would have been valid but for the assumptions you made which informed the questions I asked you regarding genetics.

Your assumptions need validating. And your position in your penultimate post showed very flawed reasonings given both your responses to my questions on genetics and physical laws governing the universe and uncovered by science.

Because of the thermodynamic law of entropy, it makes no sense to assume either increased or sustained quality of genes from any first parents till the current days. So that it is foolishness to ask whether I can father twenty children in order to establish Adam's and Eve's fertility.

You yourself said that from one generation to the next it can be expected that the genetic quality and variation of a race would reduce as it perpetuated intra-marriage and reproduction. History proves this true.

Adam and Eve contained within themselves the full genetic information of the entire human race such that when they bore children, their genetic similarity would have been much less than exists today. Furthermore, they lived much longer lives and enjoyed much longer fertility periods than are known today that allowed them to keep producing offspring that could mingle maritally with members of other generations. In that sense, you could have a man marry two great aunts of his. This would produce a diagram more similar to a pyramid than to a vertical line.

It would allow the 50-couple theory to change into a 50-couple producing 100 offspring that can marry their aunts, because their grandparents are still producing and go on to have far more than just another hundred offspring.

So you see, if you're gonna calculate assuming twenty children in one generation, you have to show why you make the assumption. Entropy allows for depreciation of genetic quality, so that over the millenia human vitality has been reducing. Whereas our first parents lived nearly a thousand years and were capable of producing over a hundred offspring, we do not hit 150 in age and our fertility is exhausted by the time we're eighty, for men, and sixty, for women.

This, in fact, agrees with your declaration that inbreeding causes depreciation of genetic quality. That was what happened with Adam's family which we are. It is also what the Bible indicates with progressive reduction in age and fertility such that by Abraham's time, humans barely made the age of 200 and women grew infertile by the age of 90.

sophistry is another name for well packaged BS.


It will forever remain impossible for 2 people to repopulate the earth in 6000 years. Adam and Eve were not the first people in the firs place. many religions existed before Judaism or Jewish names.

musKeeto: It was in response to this

And btw, my granddad(on my mom's side) had four wives. They had an average of 7 kids each... you do know the meaning of average, right?

In essence, you didnt have to mention your very fertile family in the 1st place huh?

k2039: So how come the RCC doctrine is different from that laid by Pope Peter 1

lol.......evolution. more doctrines were added upon the advent of greater technology and philosophy.

tobechi20: Op, i hav realisd dat tins about religon hardly make front page. No mata haw relevant d topic iz.

If u want front page, talk romance or politics. Is unfortunate but dats d truth. I wonda why

Very unfair!

musKeeto: Have no idea where this argument is headed but I'd like to contribute a little her. My grandmom had 12 kids over a 24 year period. Had to stop cause my dad(who is the first child) got frustrated and WARNED them to stop.

Do you know the meaning of average?

Ptolomeus: Go ...
If anything try this thread, is the huge popularity of Logicboy.
Apparently, Logicboy is the most famous participant of the forum ...
This is indicated by the posts who show so much hatred towards him ...
Only someone very famous can exasperate both believers ... eating a ham sandwich against an Islamist; laugh at sexual activities of Christian pastors, and even find erotic vein of a statue of the Virgin Mary.
Possibly this is due to the fame of Logicboy ...
I intend to start a collect money between all participants in the forum, and ergir a statue in his honor ... and ask the Vatican canonized him to be alive!

Saint Logicboy!

Alleluia!

My respects to all!

san logicboy! CREO!

k2039: Your problem is just that you didnt follow the thread well enough to understand Enigms's point.
The Catholic being refered to here was the earlier beleivers Act 11vs26.It's just like calling all christians Catholics(the RCC broke away,at a point they were part of the church)

Enigma has no point. When did the Roman catholic church break away from catholic church? Why do you lie?

k2039: The problem with most people is that when it comes to certain issues in life some people cant just think/reason with their brain.
It is so obvious for anyone who can reason effectively that the roman catholic is a subset of the Original Church.
The only reason they broke (RCC) broke away was because they couldnt agree with the teachings of the original church.
Roman catholics resisted the anglicans which in turn resisted methodist,it goes on and on like that,so each body broke up from the previos because they couldnt agree with the former's teachings.
Besides whats the big deal about compiling the bible,afterall the Bible was not written by the RCC,the old and new testament pre-existed the RCC,and its just logical that if the bible was compiled by the RCC,I wonder why its is then hard for them to adhere to what was compiled.
Am sure that if the bible was compiled by the RCC,all those heresy being preached by their papacy would have been included in the bible.

Why are people such idiots?


Then what is the difference in practices of the Roman catholic and the catholic church?


The roman catholics did not break away from any catholic church. They are the same. The lies that you christians spout at times!


The catholic bible is the same as the roman catholic bible. with extra books than the protestants bibles. So what now is the difference between roman catholic and catholic! Damn!

CrazyMan: Would it kill you if you look at the link before jumping into conclusions...

If you hate pastors so much, then start a thread about atheism and pray that the moderators post it on the front page.

The thread is about Adeboyes nonsense preaching.


Btw, I have made numerous threads on atheism, ignorant one

Ihedinobi: I can't help but forgive you, you know that What's more, you're really helping out! If I weren't laughing so hard, I would have tried to show him the level of id.io.cy required to pursue his thinking pattern.

I just hope you understand the purpose to all this. In the midst of a lot of high-sounding talk, atheism makes itself sound incredibly rational, but tear things down to basics, and its foolishness just spills all over the place. Add to that the fact that Logicboy is Nairaland atheism's poster boy and you'll see why I call him "fool". It wasn't any more an insult than calling a man trained and certified in engineering an engineer.

A thread where he's celebrated as some sort of god of nairaland atheism is the most strategic place to show his ubiquitous ignorance and abounding irrationality.

I have no doubt that true science, while incredibly limited in containing all the true and accurate knowledge available about life, still cannot in what it does contain contradict the Bible. I don't have to make the Bible conform to science. My work is just to show that science can never be true unless it is founded on the Bible.

So many of our brethren were very instrumental in creating this body of knowledge we call science. So many of them still are. And I mean to join their ranks, by all means.

So when a fool comes along to try to confound the Bible by science falsely so called, I will gladly show him that his science is not science. I mean, did you see the id.io.tic assumptions that Logicboy made ?

And why would you ignore my response to Anony's numbers?

Ihedinobi: Ok.

- Why assume that each generation adds 20 more people? What makes this assumption valid? Why can each generation not add 200 more people?

- Fine, but even this assumption needs validating.

- Why assume a family of ten? Why not assume a family of four?

Can you give birth to twenty children? can two daughters give birth to twenty children?

Each additional female child will bring in on average 2 to 4 female children. 4 female children x 4 female mothers = 16. 20 is a good estimate.

Family of 10 sounds good

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Lol, let me be nice one more time (sorry Ihedinobi)

100 year = 1000 people
over the next 100 years, those 1000 people had 2 offsprings each and died off.
so you now have 200yrs =2000 people.
these also have 2 offsprings each and die off over the next 100 years making it 4000 people
300 years= 4000 people.
These also have 2 offsprings each, now you have:
400yrs = 8000 people
The trend continues,
500yrs = 16000 people,
600yrs = 32,000 people
700yrs =64,000 people
800yrs = 128,000 ppl
900yrs = 256,000 ppl
1000yrs = 512,000 ppl
1100 years = 1.024 million people
.............and there are 49 more centuries to go. (notice I have used the very conservative assumption of 2 offsprings per parent).

If we follow this, by the time we get to 6,000 years, we will have roughly 115 quintillion people. (that's 115 with 18 zeroes following it)

P/s: I am being very nice by spelling this out to you like this. That is why Vedaxcool and Ihedinobi are laughing at you.[/quote]Thank God! Allelujah! Anony has exposed himself to be a dummy.


First of all,

100 years is not equal to a 1000 people. Seeing as you are an old man, your father must be around 100 years. Has he and your mother produced up to 1000 offspring as the first parents? no. The most they will get to in 100 years would be very young great grandchildren. At most, over a 100 years, there will be not up to 100 direct descendants.



Secondly;

Remember that these people are the first people and so, there is no outside mating. They mate within themselves. Between the first 100 people. Assuming that the male to female ratio is 50/50, you have 50 couples with 2 children each will give you 100. Thats a total of 200 from hundred. The next total will be 300 people at the same rate

Enigma and Frosbel, you guys can lie a lot. I can not believe that I am defending the catholic church.


There is no difference between "catholic" and "roman catholic". You people lie so much.

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Can you ever go back to believing that the tooth fairy is real? [/size]

CrazyMan: I never asked you to talk about tithing...even the link I provided doesn't talk about tithing.

Just post something you feel sounds like a headline news and I would make the front page.

lol....headline news about pastors abi?

[quote author=Mr_Anony]It is so sad that you really can't see your folly. That's what makes it so amusing[/quote]Shut the hell up.


A geometric progression can not be used to calculate such but you used one. You are a real clown.

in the space of my grandma's lifetime (105) years my big family has not even reached a 1000.


A rough calculation;

100 years = 1000 people

6000 years = 600,000 people

The above rough calculation is to give a basic idea how 6000 years is a short time. Such a basic method is erroneous but it is a good rule of thumb.

Edited;

CrazyMan: Post threads that carry an attractive headline...

Click on this link for a typical example.

https://www.nairaland.com/1024534/pastor-adeboyes-message-young-singles-marriage

Good luck.

I should talk about pastors and tithes? Lmao. This is a huge joke!

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Oh my God, where is your brain?[/quote]Why are you dodging the problems with your calculations?

Furthermore, my calculations are basic with a basic set of assumptions. The assumptions were reasonable.


I used a simple arithmetic progression.


Assumptions
-each generation adds 20 more people
-6000 years therefore the 6000th term (ignoring gestation periods and generation gaps)
-Starting with a family of 10

Ihedinobi: If I tell you as I de de laff for hia, you no go believe am. Laff seriously wan kill me for hia. Logicboy de teach maths, if you catch am where him fall hands him go start de talk say na only basic maths him sabi. D guy de try form wily.

Logicboy, go make thehomer teach you how to snake when dem catch you, ehn. Lol

Just because you theists support each other?


You people fail to see the simple error in Anony's calculations

[quote author=Mr_Anony]I'll show you what I mean: Assuming there are 2 original people and they have 4 kids (2 boys and 2 girls) those 4 now marry and have 4 kids each, now you have 2 couples with 4 children each, total of 8 children etc etc.
The sequence actually looks more like 2,4,8,16......... i.e 2^1, 2^2, 2^3, 2^4..............(2^n)
(Note that this is a very conservative assumption and I think it sort of cancels out and balances between those who have many offspring and those who have few/none)

Now let us say a 100 years = 1 generation (this is also very conservative estimate because within a hundred years, we can see three generations).

therefore 1st generation = 2^1, 2nd generation = 2^2 and on. The nth generation = 6000/100 that gives us 60 generations from Adam(with our 100yr per generation estimate)

The human population of the earth based on this calculation should be equal to 2^60 =1.153x10^18 i.e. it should be approximately 1,153,000,000,000,000,000, (1.15 quintillion people)[/quote]Anony fails. 2^10 = 1064.

10 years or 2 generations can not give you 1064 people. ow many people in your family from 2 generations?

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Oh my God! Macdaddy please stop for your sake, you ignorance is showing.


For this to happen, human beings must grow up to maturity and have children within a year each time.



Yeah, everyone is from the same family but I'd like you to note that the family bonds get thinner and thinner as the tree progresses. . . . .also, I have never knew that speed had anything to do with it. (perhaps you have a new theory of speed in progression that you may want to share?)

I am sorry that I have to say this but you are appearing dumber and dumber as this thread progresses

. . . . . .Can someone please be so nice as to tell macdaddy that that a genealogy chart is in the shape of a pyramid with the offsprings at the base and the ancestors at the top?![/quote]?? ??

Dont think that because you have two people supporting you that you are right. You used a geometric progression which fails.


The lowest common ratio that one can use is 2. 2^10 is = 1064. 11 years and a family would have 1064 people. You are wrong.

vedaxcool: EPIC FAIL, . . ., calm down? Really the beating u are receiving has resulted in u begging for calm, yet we are calm, but flogging with whips of wisdom . . . Pls guys mcdaddy begging for calm, I think u guys should calm it, . . . Pls don't . . . I enjoy seeing gim beg for mercy . . . To think atheist are proud and arrogant yet this atheist is prostrating and humbled . . .

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vedaxcool: Epic Fail from mcdaddy, u for once confessed to your own mediocrity in science apart from that u refutation is lies divided by lies multiplied by lies equally lies lies lies, u failed thaba now u have failed annony, u could not even fault what his model what u did is provide your own model and say epic fail and that shows how an EPIC FAILURE u thread has become fire ur publicist and hire someone with experience in propaganda, I mean getting slapped in your own thread is the hieght of incompetence u or ur publicist have showed.

Suggestion restrategize and get a new publicist, u attempt have thus so far been chaotic!

Wow...you are so full of hate. Calm down. Go eat a pork sandwich

SimonAndal: Nigerians don't want anything anti-religion, and hence you embody everything they hate: sense, freewill, reason, and "fly". Once you renounce atheism and embrace MOGs as the best thing since sliced bread, all your threads thenceforth will make frontpage. And your love of islam wouldn't hurt.

Lmao....so until I become a tithe preacher? na waa ooo!

^^^

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