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Ihedinobi: ^^^ Lololololol.... Dude, you too much. You attack a position that the Bible submits that is verifiable using a fair-to-good understanding of genetics, fall flat on your face doing so, and give excuses when you're granted amnesty and asked to provide as good, or better a case.

You de fall hands! This thread was dedicated to your massive intelligence and great skill at dismantling the God argument. And here you are embarrassing the op. That's just nasty, dude. It ain't nice.

With no more than basic biology, your case against the Bible's creation account has been rendered absurd. It's the same basic biology that you claim knowledge of o.

I'm sure, there's enough gray matter in that bony mass in your skull to appreciate that your last arguments for your invented facts were totally inept. They have been shown as completely id.io.tic. As for your argument that Adam and Eve are Jewish names, it's a pity that you're too dense to recognize the answer in my echo of your logic. Mmiri = Water. Period. Even the translations of the Bible indicate that the names were simply Man and Mother. If the original writings were in English, Adam's name would have been Man and Eve's Mother. But your foolishness couldn't let you see that.

Don't run saying that those names aren't names because you'll just start showing off your id.io.cy again. Before Adam, there was no such thing as a name. Man was then as valid a personal name as any, as was Mother.

Yeah, God's Change of Heart! So important to you. Good sir fool, did you skim over the part where I said that the commands in Leviticus 18 were not applicable to the patriarchs? Or did you dislike my reason? Why don't you show my reason as illogical and scientifically untenable, dunce?

If you do not know the History of Life, fool, you are willfully ignorant. It is well documented and available for proofing. I've helped you do that here on this thread that extols Logicboy's great intellect. Do not be so foolish as to throw it out without any solid unemotional reason, fool.

Wow, a long post that is full of nothing but BS and insults.


1) Man lived thousands of years before Hebrew. The first man (or men) could not have had a hebrew name and the hebrew writers could not have known the first men. So who gave Adam his name? God or the mythology hebrew writers?


2) Adam has various meanings but you chose the one that would almost bolster you foolish point

"Adam" (Hebrew: אָדָֿם) comes from the trilateral root אָדַֿם ( 'ADM ), meaning "red", "fair", "handsome".[2] In the Book of Genesis, Adam occurs as a proper name in chapters 2-5. As a masculine noun, 'adam [3] means "man", "mankind" usually in a collective context as in humankind,[2] and may also refer to the individual human.[4] The noun 'adam is also the masculine form of the word adamah which means "ground" or "earth"



3) No one can tell you exactly how the first organism came about. To claim that you know that God did it is a lie. You and your God are FAKE!

obadiah777: HEY BE THAT AS IT MAY, SHOULDNT YOU BE TRYING TO GET ON BOARD ?

Sorry Homie,

I dont believe in fairytales.

If you cooke eba and egusi soup, I will chop it with you not because a god said so, I will chop it because you are a human being with similar culure with me.


people before gods. Even the bible says that the kingdom of god is in every mans heart

obadiah777: NOT A CHANCE IN HELL. NOT EVEN IF YOU OFFER ME 1 BILLION DOLLARS

I heard that you could buy your way into heaven. Did you know that the early popes were billionaires?

obadiah777: NOT ON TOP OF EUROPE. ON TOP OF THE WORLD. OK THE LORD HAS PUT IT IN THE SPIRIT OF ALL THE STRONG HEATHEN NATIONS TO BUILD NUCLEAR WEAPONS. THERE IS A SCRAMBLE FOR NUKES AS WE SPEAK. JOEL 3 VS 10[b] Beat your plowshares into swords, and your[/b] pruninghooks into spears ( BASICALLY WHAT THAT VERSE MEANS IS THAT DIVERT ALL YOUR RESOURCES INTO COMPILING WEAPONRY ): let the weak say, I am strong. IN THE BIBLE IT SAYS ISRAEL WILL ATTACK IRAN. AND THEN IRAN WILL RETALIATE AND THEN AMERICA WILL BACK ISRAEL AND THEN RUSSIA AND CHINA WILL JOIN IRAN AND THEN WE WILL HAVE A FULL BLOWN WORLD WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST ( THE VALLEY OF JEHOSHAPHAT ) AND THEN ALL THE ARMIES OF THE WORLD WILL ERASE EACH OTHER OUT ( REVELATION 16, 17 AND 18 ) AND THEN EUROPE WILL JOIN IN AND ALL THE COUNTRIES WILL ALLY AGAINST AMERICA AND WILL DESTROY AMERICA FROM OFF THE FACE OF THE MAP. AND DURING THIS TRIBULATION PERIOD THERE WILL BE FAMINE. SO AFTER THE ARMIES OF THE WORLD HAVE WIPED EACH OTHER OUT CHRIST AND HIS ARMY OF 144,000 MEN AND ALL THOSE WHO RAPTURE SPIRITUALLY ( THOSE WHO MADE IT ) WILL SWOOP IN ON THE REST OF THE WEAKENED SOLDIERS AND SUBDUE THEM AND THEN ALL THE KINGDOM WILL BE REBUILT BY THE SPIRITUALLY DEAD WHO WILL NOW BECOME SLAVES. AND THE EARTH WILL BELONG TO THE LORD AND THE 144,000 RULERS WHO ARE ALL BLACK MEN, AND THE WORLD WILL BE RULED BY THE 144,000 BLACK MEN AND CHRIST FROM JERUSALEM AND THE EARTH WILL BE RENEWED INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN WITH 144,000 BLACK MEN RUNNING THE WORLD WITH CHRIST WHO WILL BE BASED IN JERUSALEM. ALL BIBLICAL.

Okay. This means then that there is no chance of you ever converting to a muslim or atheist?

Goshen360: The Mod DONT have final say on frong page topic.....think about that, otherwise every Mod will flood the front page with unnecessary topics. How I know this is true is, there was a time when manmustwas locked a thread and we complained about it that it wasn't suppose to be locked and the next thing we saw was, the thread was unlocked and straight to the front page. So it was Mukina2 (Super Moderator) and Seun (Admin), that has the sole power to put a topic on front page. So Mukina2 unlocked that thread and sent to front page. Should it be in the power of the sectional moderators, manmustwac would not have locked it in the first place and then open it and then send to front page.....it doesn't make any sense that way. I hope you understand my brother.

I see. Manmustwacc, berra get some authority! You no tire for all these tithe preachers getting frot page?

Goshen360: My brother.....I support you o 24/7, even though you are who you are but I hate injustice. But I don talk now nah......wetin come be this one you dey talk naw.....

Thats good.

manmustwac: Go to the homepage & click on the featured links link. You will see who is responsible for homepage topics.

Cheers

Ihedinobi: ^^^

Why don't we explore evolution a bit? After all, it's your alternative to biblical history.

Please explain this living organism from which evolution began. What is it? Where did it come from? How did it manage to defeat the second law of thermodynamics?

I see that you have studied some apologetics.

Evolution is not an alternative to the bible. It is scientific and has nothing to do with a Jewish fairytale

Furthermore, nobody can tell exactly how this first organism came about. There is even an issue on how we define life? are some viruses even living things?


It is not a bad thing to admit that you dont know something. It is evil to claim that you know God did it when you dont know.

obadiah777: WHEN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH CANONIZED AND COMPILED THE BIBLE, EUROPE WAS STILL RULED BY BLACK MEN ( ISRAELITES ) ( READ THE BOOK OF REVELATION CHAPTER 11 FOR THAT). KING JAMES WAS A BLACK MAN. ALL OF THIS WAS BEFORE THE EUROPEAN RENNAISANCE AND THE GREAT WHITEWASH. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WAS ACTUALLY FORMED BY BLACK MEN IN EUROPE UNDER THE BYZANTINE EMPIRE. EVERY NAME YOU SEE IN EUROPE ? HAS A BLACK ORIGIN TO IT.

REAL IMAGE OF KING JAMES http://brotherasaiah.files./2011/08/king-james.jpg

So then, how are the black guys going to get back on top of Europe?

manmustwac: TRUE! We mods do have the option of recommending a topic from our individual sections for the homepage but that's no guarantee that it would make it there. I have noticed that the only topics that make it to the homepage from this section are topics like T B Joshua, Pastor Adeboye, Pastor Chris Okotie, Helen Ukpabio etc. Topics like Frosbels topic about the Holy Trinity that am sure would've clocked at least 10 pages. But then i see Islamic threads making the homepage that struggle to even get 3 pages when we on the religion section outnumber them by at least 2 to 1 & we hardly get a topic on the homepage. Well am glad u raised the issue MacDaddy01 am sure if u were a muslim & making threads on Islam you'd have had at least half a dozen topics on the homepage by now

I thought that it was moderators that had the final say in front page topics. Sorry.


Anyway, we can hope

Goshen360: On the highlight,......BUT the guy keeps getting banned in the Islam Session. So how his post even make it to the front page when he is often banned?

lmao....so you know that I get banned and you cant even give me some support? Are you a real christian?

obadiah777: YEZZUR, I AM A PRISONER OF HOPE. ZECHARIAH 9 VS 12 Turn you to the strong hold, ye prisoners of hope

WHY MY INTERPRETATION OF THE SCRIPTURE IS DIFFERENT ? WELL QUITE FRANKLY I USED TO READ SCRIPTURES IN THE PAST LIKE MOST NIGERIANS. BUT I EVOLVED. ONE THING I FOUND OUT IS THAT THE BOOK IS A COMPREHENSIVE BOOK. IF YOU DONT READ IT WHOLESOMELY IT IS EASY TO MISINTERPRET. A LOT OF PEOPLE PICK PARTS AND PIECES AND THEN TRY TO BUILD ON IT. SOME PEOPLE HAVE FAVORITE BOOKS THAT THEY READ. SOME PEOPLE ONLY READ THE NEW TESTAMENT. SOME PEOPLE STAY AWAY FROM THE BOOK OF REVELATION. SOME PEOPLE READ WHAT THE PASTOR GAVE THEM ETC ETC ETC. AS SUCH YOU ARE ONLY SEEING THE PICTURE FROM YOUR OWN POINT OF VIEW WITH YOUR OWN AGENDA. HOWEVER IF YOU READ IT COMPREHENSIVELY, YOU WILL SEE A PATTERN AND A STORY START TO EMERGE. THIS IS A STORY THAT HAS BEEN BROKEN DOWN INTO DIFFERENT PIECES AND HIDDEN IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE BOOK AS A PUZZLE SO AS TO KEEP AWAY THE CURIOUS. JOIN ALL THE PUZZLE TOGETHER ? AND YOU CAN SEE THE LORDS PURPOSE IN EVERYTHING HE DOES AND YOU CAN SEE WHY THE WORLD IS THE WAY IT IS AND WHY SOME PARTS OF THE WORLD LOOK BETTER, WHY SOME RACES APPEAR DUMBER THAN THE REST ETC ETC ETC. YOU PRETTY MUCH HAVE THE BLUEPRINT IF YOU PUT THE PUZZLE TOGETHER.

The epic fail comes in when you realise that the catholics compiled the bible. The bible was never meant to be canonised in the first place

Ihedinobi: Lovely facts, no?



Can you blame us for hating your invented facts, good sir fool? They're just way too foolish for us lol

only a fool argues against facts;

Fact 1;
Evolution starts from a living organism and not from nothing as you wrongly put it (Epic fail number 1)
What? You dont know what inbreeding is now? What do you call sleeping with your sister? Do you know what consanguinity is? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consanguinity
Earlier humans had shorter lifespans. You wouldnt know this since you believe a grandfather like Abraham could have children and Metusellah could live for over 400 years. In case you want to argue; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy#Life_expectancy_variation_over_time



Fact 2;
Your argument works against you. Water existed before the igbo language. Humans existed thousands of years before the hebrew language. How can the first human have a Hebrew name? Unless like the igbo name for water, people just decided to attach names to the first humans which they could not have known anything about.


Fact 3;
Read your bible again. It claims that Eve came from Adams ribs. Clones. By admitting that it wouldnt make sense to call them clones then you are also admitting that the bible is nonsense and the Adam and Eve story is a myth.

Fact 4;
Adam and Eve = incest (Adam is the parent of Eve)
Abraham Sarah = step-siblings = incest.

But wait, God's laws in the old testament are against incest. Is God schizophrenic?

Uyi Iredia: Fact 1: Our solar system is perfect, just perfect for preserving life on earth and that's a fact.

Fact 2: Living creatures didn't evolve from other living things. Natural selection fails from the start because it is a reification of Nature. Nature lacks cognition and cannot select for new organs anywhere, anyhow and that's a fact.

Fact 3: God exists and you have as evidence the rock-solid law of cause & effect which is the basis of scientific investigations. An indepent cause effects a dependent event.

Fact 1; Try living on mars

Fact 2; Is this the science they teach in bible university? Evolution is a scientific theory. Go and read.

Fact 3; What caused god, mr cause n effect?

The OP: Exactly most topics that make front page are on politics or celebrity gossip that does not affect the price of anything.

Why did you stop short from mentioning the price of Garri

vedaxcool: EPIC FAILLLL! Lol ouch mcdaddy, u should have mercy upon ur poor self, the fact there are a million and one possibilities that can make u loose this argument fact is u confessed to being a novice in science. Now muskeeto showed clearly that at high fertility rate, anything is possible, now to burst ur bubble the highest number of children a known to have been given birth to by a woman is 67 children, wow we wonder what if we assume each child gave birth to 10 where would that leave u good sir fool argument?

www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/3978800-who-gave-birth-naturally-to-the-most-children-in-the-world-she-had-69-children-and-gave-birth-27-times-all-multiples

Troll harder, please.

obadiah777: AM JUST SPREADING THE GOOD NEWS BROTHER. JUST SPREADING THE GOOD NEWS. I AM DISTRIBUTING MILK BREAD WINE HONEY AND MEAT ( AND FOR THE UNENLIGHTENED, THOSE FOOD STUFF IN THE BIBLE REPRESENT THE WORD ). AM JUST BEING A MESSENGER BROTHER MACDADDY01. I AM LIKE THE UPS MAN. I DELIVER THE MEAT

So you are a slave for the lord?

Can you explain why your interpretation of the scriptures is different from all other NL christians?

lilcutie8916: Then ur big bang shouldnt be a theory if u re so sure about it and i am sure ur grand daddy or some micro organism which is ur ancestor must have witnessed it and narrated it to u and u.
And let me add that the time it takes for these pictures of stars and galaxies to reach ur eye takes thousans of years so if we re on a collision course it should have happened already .ur scientists make assumptions and since it is something u want to believe then it is the truth . Pls explain why there re missing links in ur evolution chain.

"missing links"

SMH.


Why these people never try to read on their own baffles me.

musKeeto: Thinking by faith
Doesn't criticize Satan so SATANIST
Doesn't criticize PDP - must be ACN
Doesn't criticize BLACKS - must be Whites.

Amazing what 'faith' can do..

NB:I'm trying my best to mirror your thinking...

Gbam....Epic Win!!!

obadiah777: 2 peter 3 vs 3 Most importantly, I want to remind you that in the last days scoffers will come, mocking the truth and following their own desires. you are fulfilling end time prophesys by being a scoffer

Explain thyself edomite!

Ihedinobi: Typical Logicboy! Don't tell me that you just lost your balloon cos of my needle lol.

As for that second part, you still have the burden of proof, you know. And, please, pretty please, with peaches, sugar, cream and all them lovelies on top, don't embarrass yourself by insisting that that lame comment at the end of your second paragraph is your proof. It's way too lame!

lol....you people hate facts.


Facts
-2 people can not populate the earth in 6000 years. Impossiblity,. We ignore the factors of death, genetic defects from incest and the numerical impossibility.
-Adam and Eve are Jewish/Hebrew names. Humans existed before hebrew/Judaism existed. Human existed longer than 6000 years ago.
-Adam and Eve would be clones if Eve came from Adams ribs
-God loved incest then changed his mind in the old testament

[quote author=Mr_Anony]What??! Just when I think I have reached the limits of your ignorance, you just had to show me that there's more where it came from. Wow![/quote]lol......the facts dey pain you? Your geometric model fails from the beginning. 2 people repopulating the earth to quadrillion people in 6,000 years and you didnt question the numbers? Olodo

musKeeto: Sometimes statistics can be misleading. As long as this argument is based on ASSUMPTIONS and averages, you'd be fighting a losing battle against the likes of Ihedinobi..

losing battle ke?


Because they are two, you think I am losing?

Enigma: First of all let me help you a little bit: the official title of the Eastern Orthodox Church is Orthodox Catholic Church.

Google it.

Second, remember that by calling me im.becile you are calling your father im.becile.

lmao......does that make the orthodox catholic church the original catholic church?


Why did you have to bring parents into this? E dey pain you or you no get popsy?

Buzugee aka Obadiah.


There is not one christian or exchristian on Nairaland that I know that supports his racial/edomite interpretation of the scriptures. Even Jo-dollar (Titheman Joagbaje) has supporters.


Buzugeee aka Obadiah, can you explain how you got into this deep biblical philosophical position that you are into now? How did you become a madman?


I have seen all kinds of biblical interpretations but yours is quite frightening. I 100% believe that you are clinically insane.


Please, this thread is not to insult but for Buzugee to explain himself. (Mods please wait for Obadiah's reply)

seriallink: Just say it MusKeeto, u are satanist....Anton's secret follower. Na ur yawa sha!

lol.....why do christians like to label unbelievers as satanists?

This just makes the christians look like bigots.

Enigma: ^^^ By the post above (and your other posts) you show that you are waaaaay out of your league in respect of the discussion on this thread.

Not belittling you per se --- just showing you a little kindness.

Were you ever a catholic?

Did you ever study the history of the catholic church?

im.becile

musKeeto: Lol,very fertile indeed. My aunt had 5 kids in 6 years. It's caused a lot of confusion though. I have Gabonese cousins, and one of them already has a kid at 16. I hope you get the point I'm trying to make with all these.

Nope. What is your point because, my model is based on assumptions and averages. Thats what models are. There are families that have 2 children per couple, some 8.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Lol, let me refresh your memory.

You said:



lol, your mistake if 50 couples(100 adults) produce a total of 100 children and the next generation produces 100 children, that makes 300. The thing you are not factoring in is death. because by the time the next generation adds another 100, the first 100 would have died off and as another 100 comes in, the first 100 also dies off thereby keeping the number at 300 for all eternity.

The only way for the species to increase is by multiplication (geometric progression). Your addition model is flawed and it is a pity that you can't see it.

It is getting very tedious arguing with a blockhead.
[/quote]lol....you are seeing the problem now. An additional model (Arithmetic progression) only works with a large base and an incresing birth rate (more than 2 children on average). However, an additional model works far better than a geometric progression that will give you insanely large number no matter what.

A large base is needed. That is why we could never start from 2 people

JeSoul: Logicboy thanks getting our(MMW & I) backs, much appreciated my atheist brother ...

Part of my reason for leaving this thread open was this, to get one of the mods attention. I don't like to interfere with how other mods run their section so I hope this doesn't come off as such.

Logicboy will testify that I have defended maclatunji in the past (and I don't even know the guy, neither have I had any exchange/discourse with him ever on NL) because I know mods get a bad rap a lot of the time for no good reason & its a thankless job. But the complaints have kept on coming and from different posters. I guarantee you engaging these posters will be far more effective in changing perception than 'silencing' them. At the end of the day, it is the Islam section for muslims, and as always my advice to complaining posters is to simply leave the space for the muslims to be.

cheers & thanks for saying your 2 cents.

I agree with you. Unfortunately it is a sad thing that Islam has to be treated as a special religion and therefor, it gets its own section free from non-muslim criticism. This is the height of intolerance.

Another problem is the one of "blaming others". People are complaining of maclatunji and Vedaxcool is here blaming Jesoul and manmustwacc. how does that make sense in Vedaxcool's head? When someone mentions boko haraam, Vedaxcool will mention the war in Iraq and how American christians are bad. smh


However, this doesn mean that I wont debunk you if you try your christian shenanigans

JeSoul: Logicboy thanks getting our(MMW & I) backs, much appreciated my atheist brother ...

Part of my reason for leaving this thread open was this, to get one of the mods attention. I don't like to interfere with how other mods run their section so I hope this doesn't come off as such.

Logicboy will testify that I have defended maclatunji in the past (and I don't even know the guy, neither have I had any exchange/discourse with him ever on NL) because I know mods get a bad rap a lot of the time for no good reason & its a thankless job. But the complaints have kept on coming and from different posters. I guarantee you engaging these posters will be far more effective in changing perception than 'silencing' them. At the end of the day, it is the Islam section for muslims, and as always my advice to complaining posters is to simply leave the space for the muslims to be.

cheers & thanks for saying your 2 cents.

I agree with you. Unfortunately it is a sad thing that Islam has to be treated as a special religion and therefor, it gets its own section free from non-muslim criticism. This is the height of intolerance.

Another problem is the one of "blaming others". People are complaining of maclatunji and Vedaxcool is here blaming Jesoul and manmustwacc. how does that make sense in Vedaxcool's head? When someone mentions boko haraam, Vedaxcool will mention the war in Iraq and how American christians are bad. smh


However, this doesn mean that I wont debunk you if you try your christian shenanigans

Enigma: ^^^ Please don't mind him and misinformed others saying Eastern Orthodoxy is the same as Roman Catholicism. And specifically on the Bible, Eastern Orthodox churches have different canons from the canon of Roman Catholicism.

See e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_biblical_canons#Eastern_canons

So the eastern orthodox church is now the catholic church? What noinsense