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Image123: clueless as usual. i GUESSED that your family don't know HOW/ THE DEPTH OR INTENSITY of how Antichrist you are, not that they don't know you as the fringe depresso who has lost hope in religion.

Antichrist?


Lol.....Do I have horns or something? Lmao.


You christians are funny!

vedaxcool: Cough excuse my comment but why the humiliation? Why the disgrace? This is totally unchristian! This is the persecuetion paul complained about! This is the injustice Osama fought against lol but why are u like this Ihenoibi (sorry if I mispel u name) don't u know mcdaddy hire Ruben Abati sorry the OP to lauder his image, now u have destroyed his progress, exposing mcdaddy's limited knowledge in biology etc.

Pls desist from such campaigns of humiliation, and making a fool of mcdaaddy, this thread is to burnish his image . . . on the contrary, I am enjoying the show! Grabs popcorn . . .

Vedaxcool? How could you not have faith me? After the Tbaba odd and even Surah Miracles, you still doubt my mathematical skills?


I debunked Mr Anony;

MacDaddy01: Your mathematical model fails.

1) A geometric progression can not be used. 2^10 = 1064. The smallest common ratio will give you 1064 people in 10-11 years. How is that possible?


2)A geometric progression also fails because no outsider is coming to mate. Everyone is from the same family. The progression is too slow to be geometric.

Ihedinobi: Typical Logicboy If I take you up on that, you'll just disappear into more foolishness, fool Don't you know that to be an atheist requires little more than calciferous brains?

You were waiting for your bros to come and debunk me?

I debunked him

MacDaddy01: Your mathematical model fails.

1) A geometric progression can not be used. 2^10 = 1064. The smallest common ratio will give you 1064 people in 10-11 years. How is that possible?


2)A geometric progression also fails because no outsider is coming to mate. Everyone is from the same family. The progression is too slow to be geometric.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]I am afraid, your math is wrong. You have used the mathematics for calculating additional sequences and applied it to a multiplication model. That is how not to go about it. let me show you a better model.

the proper model of genealogy is this:
http://1.bp..com/-QSeyRq6j2eY/TZfTm7fNTLI/AAAAAAAAA7I/yh7jbLaA4Bc/s1600/genealogy.png

it is not 10+20+20+20+20.............It is more like 10x20x20x20.

I'll show you what I mean: Assuming there are 2 original people and they have 4 kids (2 boys and 2 girls) those 4 now marry and have 4 kids each, now you have 2 couples with 4 children each, total of 8 children etc etc.
The sequence actually looks more like 2,4,8,16......... i.e 2^1, 2^2, 2^3, 2^4..............(2^n)
(Note that this is a very conservative assumption and I think it sort of cancels out and balances between those who have many offspring and those who have few/none)

Now let us say a 100 years = 1 generation (this is also very conservative estimate because within a hundred years, we can see three generations).

therefore 1st generation = 2^1, 2nd generation = 2^2 and on. The nth generation = 6000/100 that gives us 60 generations from Adam(with our 100yr per generation estimate)

The human population of the earth based on this calculation should be equal to 2^60 =1.153x10^18 i.e. it should be approximately 1,153,000,000,000,000,000, (1.15 quintillion people)

Now if you factor in occasional wars and natural disasters that reduces the human population to the edge of extinction from which it must start multiplying again, 7 billion becomes very plausible.


N.B: This is not proof that the human race is 6000 years old, It however is proof that the human population can very easily grow from 2 to 7 billion in 6000 years[/quote]Your mathematical model fails.

1) A geometric progression can not be used. 2^10 = 1064. The smallest common ratio will give you 1064 people in 10-11 years. How is that possible?


2)A geometric progression also fails because no outsider is coming to mate. Everyone is from the same family. The progression is too slow to be geometric.

Hardly does any of my threads make the front page. Heartbroken#

Seriously, what are the criteria for front page material?

CrazyMan: This is not funny...please stop all this blasphemy

Jesus exists, and if you allow your minds and thoughts to be taken over by the devil, the you would be partakers of his punishment which is the lake of fire.

Shut up slave.


Blasphemy is a tool used by religious lords to keep people from criticizing the epic fails of religion.


Jesus is a fraud

integrityfood: I love Clinton's speech but the Obama health care policy suggesting the nearness of anti-christ on my mind

Anti-christ healthcare?

Are you some uneducated teab@gger?

vedaxcool: Just like anty JeSoul, u prefer gloating rather than addressing the issue, which what have u done to make NL laws civil and progressive? Why prefer overlooking the laws of dictatorship? Are u scared of Seun? I ask u and JeSoul what is the laws govening making complaints against moderators? Why will JeSoul violate NL laws just to make her gruse against Islam? Or is she pained that the section was created thereby limiting her control? We don't know her real intention but it is pathetic using people's genuine complaints to score cheap points and at the end of the day do nothing about such complaints and even failing to take genuine interest in understanding what really happened and on top of that failing to address the real issue which is NL laws are based on moderators whims and are clearly against desent!

What do you want Jesoul and Manmustwacc to do? Overrule Maclatunji and then Maclatunji will complain to Seun? Jesoul and Manmustwacc have both been liberal with Nairaland rules. Jesoul warns before she bans anyone. They have tried in my own opinion.

Seun can not do much lest he gets another death threat from the religion of peace.

Face your intolerance from your section before blaming two people that have nothing to do with the intolerance of Maclatunji.

Jarus: Outsiders that respect the rules and sensibilities of the hosts.

After all, Toba and Aloy emeka frequent the section and don't get banned.

Jarus? Are you a muslim on Taquiyyah?

Toba has complained bitterly about Maclatunji, I think he has had a rough time with Maclatunji as well. I have never even seen a post by Alloy Emeka.

toba: even though i dont always align with ur views but i'll take an exception on this thread objectively.

ask at least 5 other pple which includes muslims, christians, deists, atheists and moderators, they'll have negative comments about maclatunji. He's yet to mature to the level of one that can take responsibility(s) i can name 3 moderators that have given bad comments about him. Jaybee the romance section co-mod is one cos of (tunji) his immaturity.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Interesting..........just out of curiosity, could you tell me exactly how basic biology makes this impossible.

I just made some calculations and I don't think basic biology says what you are claiming it says but perhaps you can clear my doubt explaining to me how basic biology makes it impossible for the number of human beings to move from 2 to 7,000,000,000 in 6,000 years[/quote]Two problems; genetic disorders and human birth rate/gestation numbers.


a) Genetic disorders. Adam and Eve are already twins. Eve is a rib-clone of Adam. Their children then commit incest. Such a sitaution will result in so many genetic disorders that the human poulation would have died out long agao if Adam and Eve were actually the 2 first people in the world


b) Human birth rate/gestation numbers.
Lets assume that the average family produces 8 children and each generation of children produces 20 more children. Therefore, Adams family is a number of 10 (2 parents, 8 children). 6,000 years. There would be gaps in the 6000 years due to gestation of 9 months but we will ignore it.


Arithmentic progression.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/math/a/9/3/a93173b2cdeea431ce818315ca84ae87.png

a6000 = 10 + (6000 - 1) * 20

a6000 = 119,990.

Therefore, after 6000 years the maximum amount of people from Adam and Eve would be only 119,990.

Ihedinobi: Right there in the bolded is your faulty knowledge, fool.

According to genetics (and your answers hehehe), they need not have been superhuman. They only need to be the first parents, fool

Ode, how did you reach that bonehead conclusion?

Incest between siblings always carries a high risk of defects in offspring. Eve was a clone of Adam (rib clone). Cain and Abel would have married their sisters.

Enigma: Correct! It was not the Roman catholic Church that gave us either the doctrine of The Trinity or that "compiled" the Bible; rather it was the catholic (i.e. the universal) Church or the Christian Church.

This is what is being discussed on the thread in following link (and some other threads too).

https://www.nairaland.com/1039359/canon-bible-roman-catholic-church

See lies!


Ode, you are now remixing the meaning of "catholic"?


Catholic and roman catholic are the same. No difference. See how you people lie to distance yourself from the horrors of the catholic church?

Liars and frauds!

[quote author=Bélla3]@ MACDADDY
according to history, al christains were catholics which meant 'universal'. catholic nt Roman catholic.
I asked u a question on another thread, bt u ran away. Am asking again.
Assuming Sir. Isaac Newton was working on a project everyone knew about. Bt died two weeks before completion (what is left is to compiling). Mac daddy helps to compile it. Does that make it mac daddy's work?[/quote]Ode, you are now remixing the meaning of "catholic"?


Catholic and roman catholic are the same. No difference. See how you people lie to distance yourself from the horrors of the catholic church?

Liars and frauds!

Ihedinobi: Says, the "basic biology is all I know" guy. Lol. Now that the Bible comes in, you've turned expert in genetics again.

Anyway, let's carry on. Why does inbreeding produce birth defects? And could you produce some specific examples of such defects?

I dont have to be an expert in biology to know that 2 people can not repopulate the earth. Basic maths and experience will tell you that.


As for your questions, go and read stop asking foolish Anony types of questions.
http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/145/5/439.short

Ihedinobi: @all

Y'all are pretty hilarious. You attack the Bible based on science and when your knowledge of science is tested and you find yourself failing, you get upset. Why? If you can attack the Bible with a faulty knowledge of science, what law says that I can't defend it with a more perfect knowledge?

HYPOCRITES!!!

Name one thing in my comment that is an example of faulty knowledge of science. You are a joke. You that you are here trying to claim that Adam and Eve were superhumans whose children till the great grand children would suffer no effect from incetuous relationships and genetic disorders? You trolling or what?

fellis: this isn't what I am saying at all, stop trivializing it.

It isn't the same thing at all. Most times, mysteries that have been revealed to us in religion to be the manifestation of God's work happen exactly the way we are told they are going to happen.
I am not sure how to explain it sadly. But somethings like predictions or dreams in which the things you see happen in real life exactly how they appeared in the dream or prayers that you make and then you get what you asked for exactly how you asked

That's not true. It isn't a paradox.
A mystery is not understandable by man but we know that God is responsible for them, that doesn't mean that we understand the mystery.

The problem with mysteries, religion and evidence; The origin of man consporacy;


Quran + Muhammad; Allah/God created man and created the earth.

Early muslim; We dont know the origin of man or the earth therefore, God did it. The Quran is right. Mystery solved.

21st century scientist; Man evolved from other animals. The big bang was the start of the universe. We dont know what could be beyond the big bang.

Modern muslim; God caused the big bang. God controlled evolution. We know what is beyond the big bang; Allah. Mystery solved.



Notice the inconsistency between the early and modern muslims.

frosbel: I have noticed that on Nairaland, you can post all the logic, facts and evidence and our members will walk past it all as if they are blind.

lol....hypocrisy in abundance! Hypocrite frosbel

lilcutie8916: Ok where do i start . If for example u see a statue that is like a hundred years old first thing that come to ur mind is some dude carved this right. When archeologists find a triangular shaped rock with some chipings on it they say man made it as a spear head. Ok look at the brains u use in debunking ur selves and u tell me that it evolved by chance and it wasn't designed.
Our solar system arranged in perfect harmony and that also happened by chance from one big explosion. If a sculpture cant happen by chance but had to be made by someone then why cant ur perfect anatomy be made by a supreme designer.

Your analogy does not apply to living things, the furthest we can go with the origin of living things is that they evolved from other living things. If you want to claim god, you are going in a circular argument because the question becomes; who made god? If u say that the origin of a statue is a human sculptor, who made the human? It is an infinite regress.



Our solar system is not perfect. Some planets too hot for lie, some too cold. Furthermore, there are other failed solar systems and our solar system will fail in the future. Even if there is a a god, he is a rubbish creator that makes a lot of galaxies many of which we know to be uninhabitable and some failed with exploding stars.

fellis: So your problem is not that God doesn't reveal Himself, it is that He uses mysteries to do so?
Anyway for your info, God reveals Himself in different ways to different people. An atheist like yourself became a believer not from witnessing mysteries but from reading books and broadening his knowledge of the origin of the earth and human beings. Besides these 'mysteries' serve to let you know that a spiritual realm exists and that everything isn't all about the logical and physical.

Wow, what foolish thinking!

A mystery is not proof of anything. You dont say that "we dont know how Mr X died, therefore God killed him".

The pagan would say that the god of rain/water reveals himself through mysterious floods. That is the same nonsense you make when you claim that god reveals himself through mysteries.

Another thing is that a mystery by itself is unkown and not understandable. For you to claim that god did it is to acknowledge that you understand the mystery. Paradox. It is like christians claiming that the world was created in 6 days; are they geologists?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WQeZ2EtEPk

On topic


1) There is no consistent definition of God. Which God? Jesus Christ or Allah? Is god a male or female? Does god create evil or not? Does god rest or not? Is god a force or a spirit? Is god a trinity or not?

2) There is no evidence for god. Only mysteries used as evidence for god. People use miracles and the origin of the universe. A mystery can not be proof of anything.

wiegraf: I have
I was in a boarding school see. After visiting day, I was enjoying some garri (complete with kulin kuly) but there were some bros who insisted on parasiting. I was hungry so I tried to get them away. But suddenly, one screamed "Winch!", and we all ran.... I didn't want to, but everyone was doing it so I thought what the heck. I didn't see the winchie, but the garri disappeared and the bros were all smirking, I've never figured out why.
That's my only experience with the supernatural.

lol....the garri disappeared? Why is it that claims of miracles always lack details? Did the whole bowl disappear or only the garri? Did the garri disappear with only the water left in the bowl?

Sorry, we can not believe your miraculous story for some reasons;

1) Garri is bad for eyesight, you might not have seen things clearly
2) Fear is also a recipe for hallucination and mistakes,therefore bad memory
3) Garri drinkers are never reliable when they are dispossessed of their garri
4) Boarding school is a ground for fairytales and lies eg bush baby.


lol....

Sweetnecta: ^^^^ you seem lost.
The earth and heavens are eternity since each was here before anything in it was made.
each will be here after man, you and all tat will come after you will be long gone.


so let me know where the contradiction is in the Quran.

I will wait to read your weak list.

Is hell eternal or limited, according to the Quran?

Fr0sbel: Don't even start , if you want us to begin a thorough exposition of ISLAM which is Similar to Catholicism then we will

Night all

Ode, catholics compiled the bible. They are the original christians. You are ignorant of your own religion.

manmustwac: @MacDaddy01
moving your topic from the Islamic section to the diary section is definitely abuse of power.

Thank you!

alexleo: Yeah Uyi Iredia is right but like you said we should ignore them. Thats what i ve been doing for sometime now. I can never leave God. I love God so much. He is my life and my everything. Without Him i can do nothing therefore its a waste of time for me to be arguing wether there is God. I have many important things to do than engage in a foolish argument.

lol....ironic that the bible says that you should defend your faith.

Anyways keep ignoring. We are spared from your foolish apologies for the bib;e

vedaxcool: Lol when the man locked up in the religion section finally finds how to condense his brain from liquid state to gaseous state (mind u not solid state) then we will take the ingrate serious, fact remains Seun an atheist made laws that Mac can use to easily ban u, . . . Only damned liars would ignore such facts . . . Seun made laws that are simply subjective and such laws that depend on the whims and caprice of its' applicators would always end up being a recipe for dictatorship in order words u atheist boss Seun made laws that he knows would be applied in such a manner that will bring ill feelings and breed dictatorship quit being a sheep and question your shepard! I am done talking with kids!

lolololololololol.......See how Vedaxcool covertly admits that Maclatunji is a dictator?


Seun made the laws no doubt but why is it only maclatunji that uses them for dictatorial purposes? Jesoul and Manmustchopgarri dont use those laws anyhow.

[quote author=Bélla3]Relax jor, God is in control.
Anyways i was refering both you and vexdacool, you guys need to settle.
Blessed are the peacemakers![/quote]lol.....

Ihedinobi: Oh yeah, I forgot you atheists aren't that good with English. Ok. By the full set of genes, I meant the full gene pool. For instance, the probability that you have any Mongolian genes is pretty remote. But the first parents had those genes too. Every existing gene pool derived from them.

The first generation that Adam and Eve produced would have, employing basic biology, consisted of siblings about as genetically close as one race today is to another. Therefore, a cross of genes between them would not have produced the same effects as a cross of genes between siblings today.

As for whether two people could populate the whole world in 6000 years, are you taking note of the length of the lives of the patriarchs, of the length of their fertility periods?

If you are to be taken seriously, my friend, research your arguments. At least, you'll get a near-real excuse to bash the Bible.

What you have describe is very unscientific and basically impossible. Unless Adam and Eve were some superhuman entities, you are talking sh!te.

Seriously, the basic science is that for ALL humans, incest, especially with a high degree of consanguinity can cause birth defects.

[quote author=Bélla3]I see salt pouring down on open wounds[/quote]I see a troll peeping upon an open thread.

Rhymz, I hope that you are not a muslim because muslims are more guilty of denying contradictions in their holy book.

Image123: you're a clueless, faceless sissy. I guess your immediate family don't even know how Antichrist you are, na to come internet dey droll you sabi. Go and sleep lad.

My family knows that I'm an atheist.


Thanks for bearing false witness