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[quote author=Mr_Anony]But Jesus knows you. Jesus' sacrifice is the reason why you can be truly free from sin.

I put it to you that the real reason for your anger is not because you really think the sacrifice foolish but because you realize the sacrifice is too great and His love so much that you realize you cannot possibly deserve it

.....rather than turn to Him, you feel more comfortable rejecting Him hoping that by doing so, you won't have any moral obligations towards Christ .......or anyone else[/quote]What moral obligations?


Telling slaves to obey their masters like Apostle Paul in the bible?
Discriminating against unbelievers and calling them fools?
Hating gay people for their sexuality?

davidylan: why does it irritate you so much? On a more serious note... has any atheist stopped to ask WHY speaking about Jesus turns them so white-hot with rage in a way they dont feel when confronted by the "love" of sango?

It doesnt irritate me normally but after being told numerous times after the christian that is telling has lost the debate, it becomes annoying.

davidylan: What is wonderful about the above is that God did it all for you and me. I for one i'm grateful for the chance to be saved by the cross... someday macdaddy, you will see the light.

God did what?

So you think that Jesus saved you from hell? Guess what? Hell doesnt exist. You're gonna be maggot food just like your pagan great grandfather when you die.

LagosShia: thank God it was not a Muslim who made the revelation but an american man.and thank God the video is leaked for people to watch.

Just confess, you are paid by the Iran govrnment to hype this propaganda!

Ihedinobi: lol...............can't stop laughing, man. Wetin de vex you? Na wa o...you sef believe say Jesus come, make e remain say him die?! Epic!!! Why do you argue otherwise na? A few comments later, you're complaining that Jesus didn't die for you? How did Mr Anony's "us" include you, ehn? Why did you make the assumption?

Man, you guys are too much. The vehemence you display tells me that you know the Gospel to be true but just don't know what to do with it (hopefully, because if it's something else, y'all just bought BIG trouble, I tell you).

Dude, just let Jesus help you. Things are much easier and a lot more fun that way

And how would Jesus help me? Havent I told you that I was a christian for 22 years?


What was wrong?

-I didnt pay enough tithes?
-I didnt pray enough?
-I didnt spread the goespel and convert enough souls?


Abeg, commot for road.


Jesus is a Jewish racist and a liar! He was running his mouth that he was the messiah and he was crucified like a common thief. On the cross, he was asking why God forsook him.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Perhaps after you would have died for your son that you love so much, he will likewise say: "I am seriously irritated by someone telling me that a Nigerian anti-religious bigot died for me. The guy died like a common thief on the electric chair because he was too foolish to either run away or find a good lawyer or defender"[/quote]Epic fails of Mr Anony

1) I know my son, Jesus did not know me.
2) Jesus death did not change anything, it did not protect anyone. Paul went on supporting slavery, the catholic church went on torturing heretics, the protestants after started preaching tithe doctrines etc

[quote author=Mr_Anony]interesting how you immediately flare up when you are confronted with the love of Christ..........Don't worry my friend, Jesus loves you still ......and he can see right through your anger.[/quote]Sorry about the anger. I am seriously irritated by someone telling me that a Jewish racist died for me. The guy died like a common thief on the cross because he was too foolish to either run away or find a good lawyer or defender

vedaxcool: [size=18pt]WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE! GIVE US EVIDENCE FOR YOUR CLAIM. NO EVIDENCE = atheist babble at best! poor child! Lol! so because the pope addresses a muslims conference or Obama addresses a jewish audience makes either of them shills for muslims and jews respectively, till date this poor child cannot not even reason and conclude adequately that his points are mere conspiracy theories [/size]




and truly the poor child have no evidence to support his claims!

lol....this is good.


I have explained why she is a shill. You are grasping on straws

Common sense; does obama or the pope praise the Quran and say that it is harmononious and sweet? LMAO. Vedaxcool is losing his senses and out of frustration he is remixing my comment to say that anyone who isnt muslim but speaks in front of muslims is a shill. No...she is a shill because she is acting innocent to the Quran when she knows what she is doing behind the scenes making money from book sales and working with islamic organisations.



Notice how vedaxcool is trying to avoid talking about why he is so accepting of a person who has little credibility on the Quran. She is first confused about her religious stance, she can not speak Arabic and she is not a muslim.

vedaxcool: ^^^^

Lol! so because the pope addresses a muslims conference or Obama addresses a jewish audience makes either of them shills for muslims and jews respectively! this sort of low thinking does not portray you in good light! still no evidence to prove she is a shill! Keep making yourself look silly! truly you provide us laughaments poor child!

This is good.


Everybody can see that Vedaxcool is just grasping at straws here;

1) First, he accepts the opinion on the Quran of someone who does not speak Arabic, not a muslim and is confused about her religious belief.

2) Vedaxcool can not see that the woman he now likes is a shill. She acts like an innocent person to Islam and throws absurd praises on the Quran. On the other hand she is working with islamic organisations and making speeches to muslims. She also benefits from dullards like Vexdacool who are happy when they see a white Jewish woman praising the Quran- part of her market for her books and speeches would be muslims like Vedaxcool.


3) Unlike the pope and Obama, the woman throws praises at the Quran as if it is something that is "sweet" and "harmonious" to read.

[quote author=Atheist:-D]They didn't even try to discuss my paradoxes mentioned related to omnipotency. [/quote]lol...some are just hrt because their sky-daddy's abilities are being debunked

Knight1: can't believe people took this thread seriously....smh.

op, assuming a Christian on NL says he's not nko? you think it affects God's power in anyway? please find yourself something to do. something useful.

commot for road jo.


If you cant ask philosophical questions, it is not my problem.

Martian: When you find yourself in a hole, just stop digging. In other words, quit while you're ahead.

What is wrong with you? This arrogance will get you nowhere fast!

What hole are you talking about?


The statements here are quite logical. Omnipotence is a paradox.


You just come here and say that the question is stupid. You people have serious problems.

vedaxcool: ^^^^

No evidence = atheist babble at best! poor child!

oops! here she is speaking at young muslims association. She is a shill.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-hTxDvRVlo

[quote author=Mr_Anony]In that same way, Jesus Christ dying so that weaker people like us can have eternal life is the wisest thing anyone could possibly do.[/quote]Thunder fire you mouth! Douchebag.


Jesus did not die for me, he did not know me and he died for the lost sheep of isreal.


Jesus is a xenophobe that would probably burn in his own hell.


-whipped people and destroyed private property in the temple that he did not own/build
-Jesus was racist to the Canaanite woman
-Jesus ignored the slavery that was around him
-Jesus committed suicide when he didnt run and accpeted a betrayal/death that he knew was coming

You'd find that many Nigerians can not see beyond their flawed religions and certain problems with their cultures.

They submit to group think rather than think for themselves.


People should sit down and think. Countries that allow same sex marriage are all 10x more developed than Nigeria because they understand equality

Martian: You should learn to ignore some posts and stop getting your panties in a bunch over silly questions .

Assuming your god exists and is indeed omnipotent, what is a rock to him but a pebble? He created galaxies and superstructures so this little paradox is nothing to him.

But you take the question personal because your idea of god is what's under attack not "god" himself.

Silly questions?


who is talking about a small rock? I am talking about a rock that can not be moved......it could have a galactic size.

vedaxcool: I wonder why this video is hurting you so much . . . it must really have unsettled you . . . you lied and cliamed someone was is a hired stooge and we ask for evidence till this very moment no evidence. . . until u can provide us with the evidence that this woman is a "shilling" for Islam, then we will have to consider you to be a reprobate liar . . . remeber you are the one hurling allegation and name calling almost to the point of crying . . . all these because the woman choose a different approach in reasoning that by every means outdoes you low level of reasoning . . . truly u are a poor child indeed!

"hired stooge"......is that what I said? hmmm? Keep lying and spouting false accusations.


I said that she is a shill. Why is she a shill? She praises the Koran as an agnostic Jew yet, she is invited to speak at muslim organisations.

The more an authors speaks the more books she can sell.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Oh don't worry, it's a "logical question" you think yourself smart so I am attacking your smartness which should be your nature by presuming that you don't possess it ...... in the same way you are trying to undermine God's omnipotence by first presuming that he isn't.[/quote]So, you cant expose my "logic" without calling me foolish and bringing my mother into it?



Are you a good christian?

[quote author=Atheist:-D]If we said omnipotence was limitless due to the fact that we could not measure or ascertain the limits then we could draw conclusions. Say for instance the omnipotence is i, we could say deity a with an omnipotency of i is greater than another deity b with an omnipotency of y by an amount known as x:

This is of course not true omnipotency however one could argue that if it is beyond our measuring or comprehension it is omnipotent.[/quote]I see.

I wonder why people then bother with what is beyond our comprehension.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Perhaps you may want to explain how a 100 year old man can have a baby with a 90 year old woman who is decades past menopause. That is a miracle that immediately tells Abraham that the child is not his and he should return the child if the true owner demands it. Apparently, Isaac is also well aware of this fact as he does not struggle.[/quote]Thanks for reminding me about the age! Now we are exploring 3 possibilities
a)The story about Abraham having a son with his 90 year old wife is a lie/myth. It is impossible.
b)Isaac (the son)was stolen from a younger woman
c) Abraham was criminally insane. He stole a young boy and then, decided to sacrifice the son but was stopped by finding a sacrificial animal.


One of these has to be true.


[quote author=Mr_Anony]That was not the question I asked, I didn't ask what you would do, I asked "what is the wisdom in self-sacrifice?"[/quote]Self sacrifice is foolish on its own. However, if it is done so that weaker people can live, then yes, it is wise

[quote author=Mr_Anony]lol you are really lacking in intelligence: "Does your mother know that you are an i[i]d[/i]iot? Debunking Logicboy"[/quote]Remember that you are supposed to be a christian with morals.

[quote author=Atheist:-D]Paradoxes are specifically science and msths based phenomena. They can be applied anywhere. The real paradox is assuming the omnipotence to be limitless. If there were limits to the omnipotence then we could compare certain aspects and avoid paradoxes. These paradoxes exist throughout religion. The idea of a god in itself is a paradox.[/quote]Omnipotence can hardly have limits given its definition. However, I agree with you.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]The day you start thinking properly, then I'll start giving you reasonable responses[/quote]Mr Artful dodger doing what he does best!

aribisala0: I am responding to you and not the topic which really is a Non-topic as the poster does not even seem to understand basic Grammar or the meanings of the words he uses.

Do you have some problems? You come on my thread and insult me then go ahead to post some inane and off topic nonsense

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Abraham was given a son by an invisible being. The invisible being asked Abraham to return the son, Abraham agreed. I don't see the foolishness in it.[/quote]Is that your christian theory of reproduction?

Abraham had $£x with his wife and had a child. Unless his son was another immaculate conception, you are talking nonsense.

Furthermore, your argument is as follows;

"a couple have been praying for a child for 7 years. They get a son after a super tithing deliverance from their pastor. God tells the father to sacrifice his son and the father agrees without question. The father should not be arrested and put into a mental hospital because the invisible being that is God, gave the father a son and the invisible being wants the son back. The father is right"




[quote author=Mr_Anony]Anyway, there are some interesting things you raise up:

What is wise about giving up your life for someone else?[/quote]I would protect my son with my own life if there is no choice. Simple. Without choice, the situation is quite logical.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Misconception: Omnipotence is not an ability, it is a nature, part of God's identity. Just like the fact that you are yourself is not an ability since you cannot switch your consciousness: You cannot 'unthink' your thoughts or 'unfeel' your feelings you are just you.[/quote]Huh? Who is stating that omnipotence is not part of God's nature? As long as God is omnipotent he is a fairytale because omnipotence can not exist.



[quote author=Mr_Anony]This question is so silly it doesn't deserve an answer[/quote]Not as silly as your failed answers on this same question above

Babaji111: A pastor who recently converted to Islam was saying from page one to the end of bible there is no word 'CHRISTIANITY. Who can then say Jesus is a christian? Jesus prayed by falling down with his face (which muslims do), he called his Lord ellah in hebrew which means ALLAH in Arabic. So does all other prophets from Noah, Moses, Abraham etc. Allah, the Creator of Heavens and Earth sent these Prophets to guide minkind from time to time; from generation to generation...beacause He loves his creation and to guide them to follow the right path NOT to follow Satan (the down casted). This will ultimately lead them to Paradise after death. Paradise, is the only domain for the kind-hearted and peaceful servants of Allah(the Godly ones)...THE MUUMIN, according to Quran. So, every good believer should expect a lot of intimidations, torture, abuse etc. Perhaps, Prophets too experienced same, and so does all men of God. This is a sacrifice that will earn them good after death. So, take your time to reflect before it is too late.

Lol......Muhammad's father also worshipped Allah.....his name was Abdallah. However, he was a pagan.

vedaxcool: Aya, poor child!

lolololololol.....Is that all you can say?


I pity you, old man. Keep posting nonsense and when debunked, keep hurling insults and false accusations.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]No Abraham trying to sacrifice his son is foolish because logicboy says so. circular argument

Logicboy is foolish because he can't answer Anony's simple question. premise leads to conclusion

....We can all come up with silly conclusions if we want. You need to learn to think.[/quote]fool·ish/ˈfo͞oliSH/
Adjective:
(of a person or action) Lacking good sense or judgment; unwise.


1) Abraham was told by an invisible being to sacrifice his son. By modern day standards, that is foolish because you would be put in a mental institution if you told somebody that "God" said you should sacrifice your son.

2) Abraham did not question God about the child sacrifice. Foolish again; a wise man always asks questions rather than takes orders that are detrimental to him

3) Abraham did not put himself before his son. A wise an loving father would put his life to protect his son




Abraham is not foolish because I said so, he is foolish because of his set of unwise actions.


Keep trying to dodge the truth

To all the non-sequiturs put forward by Anony and Sweetnecta


1) Omnipotent is defined as ability to do all things

2) God is defined as a creator and omnipotent in religions

3) The point is that an omnipotent God can not exist because omnipotence is a paradox and a self-contradictory concept.

Two examples are highlighted here;


3a) Omnipotence means the ability to do anything. However, that means there is nothing you are unable to do. Is God unable to die? But God has the ability of immortality!

3b) Can God create a rock that he can not move? If he can, the he is not omnipotent to move the rock. If he cant, then he is unable to create the rock.



You can call your God anything but the moment you call him "omnipotent" he ceases to exist because omnipotence is self-contradictory!

[quote author=Mr_Anony]No, this doesn't follow because in both cases both you and God are already known as well as the meaning of smartness and omnipotence...what follows here is "What exactly is a stone that cannot be carried?" This is what should first be addressed.[/quote]A stone that can not be move is a stone beyond your ability to push it. Is that too hard for you to comprehend?

[quote author=Mr_Anony]God can do everything and can move all rocks. Perhaps you want to tell us the exact characteristics of this rock that makes it immovable[/quote]If God can move all rocks then he can not create a rock that he can not move. He is not omnipotent.