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Babaji111: A pastor who recently converted to Islam was saying from page one to the end of bible there is no word 'CHRISTIANITY. Who can then say Jesus is a christian? Jesus prayed by falling down with his face (which muslims do), he called his Lord ellah in hebrew which means ALLAH in Arabic. So does all other prophets from Noah, Moses, Abraham etc. Allah, the Creator of Heavens and Earth sent these Prophets to guide minkind from time to time; from generation to generation...beacause He loves his creation and to guide them to follow the right path NOT to follow Satan (the down casted). This will ultimately lead them to Paradise after death. Paradise, is the only domain for the kind-hearted and peaceful servants of Allah(the Godly ones)...THE MUUMIN, according to Quran. So, every good believer should expect a lot of intimidations, torture, abuse etc. Perhaps, Prophets too experienced same, and so does all men of God. This is a sacrifice that will earn them good after death. So, take your time to reflect before it is too late.

Lol......Muhammad's father also worshipped Allah.....his name was Abdallah. However, he was a pagan.

vedaxcool: Aya, poor child!

lolololololol.....Is that all you can say?


I pity you, old man. Keep posting nonsense and when debunked, keep hurling insults and false accusations.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]No Abraham trying to sacrifice his son is foolish because logicboy says so. circular argument

Logicboy is foolish because he can't answer Anony's simple question. premise leads to conclusion

....We can all come up with silly conclusions if we want. You need to learn to think.[/quote]fool·ish/ˈfo͞oliSH/
Adjective:
(of a person or action) Lacking good sense or judgment; unwise.


1) Abraham was told by an invisible being to sacrifice his son. By modern day standards, that is foolish because you would be put in a mental institution if you told somebody that "God" said you should sacrifice your son.

2) Abraham did not question God about the child sacrifice. Foolish again; a wise man always asks questions rather than takes orders that are detrimental to him

3) Abraham did not put himself before his son. A wise an loving father would put his life to protect his son




Abraham is not foolish because I said so, he is foolish because of his set of unwise actions.


Keep trying to dodge the truth

To all the non-sequiturs put forward by Anony and Sweetnecta


1) Omnipotent is defined as ability to do all things

2) God is defined as a creator and omnipotent in religions

3) The point is that an omnipotent God can not exist because omnipotence is a paradox and a self-contradictory concept.

Two examples are highlighted here;


3a) Omnipotence means the ability to do anything. However, that means there is nothing you are unable to do. Is God unable to die? But God has the ability of immortality!

3b) Can God create a rock that he can not move? If he can, the he is not omnipotent to move the rock. If he cant, then he is unable to create the rock.



You can call your God anything but the moment you call him "omnipotent" he ceases to exist because omnipotence is self-contradictory!

[quote author=Mr_Anony]No, this doesn't follow because in both cases both you and God are already known as well as the meaning of smartness and omnipotence...what follows here is "What exactly is a stone that cannot be carried?" This is what should first be addressed.[/quote]A stone that can not be move is a stone beyond your ability to push it. Is that too hard for you to comprehend?

[quote author=Mr_Anony]God can do everything and can move all rocks. Perhaps you want to tell us the exact characteristics of this rock that makes it immovable[/quote]If God can move all rocks then he can not create a rock that he can not move. He is not omnipotent.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]I am not running from anything.

The problem with you is that you ask silly questions and think that they are logically smart . For instance in this case, your question already proclaims that Abraham was foolish then goes on to ask how he is not foolish without explaining exactly on what grounds (other than your bias) Abraham's actions are considered foolish.

I'll ask you a similar question:

"Does your mother know that you are a fool?"

you see the problem with this question much like many of yours is that all the answers are wrong:
If you say yes, then you are a fool and your mother knows it
If you say no, you are still a fool and your mother is foolish enough not to recognize it
If you say you don't know, then you are too foolish to even understand the question
If you protest that the question is silly, then you are an "artful dodger"
If you refuse to answer, then I have "debunked" you.

I hope you see my point now and why I say I am weary of you. You don't ask logical questions hence it makes it difficult having meaningful conversations with you. One is forced to start calling you names and quite rightfully so...... but that's not my style. Davidlyan is more suited for that kind of thing.

You weary me.[/quote]Lol....lmao


Abraham is foolish for agreeing to sacrifice his son. Pemise leads to conclusion

Macdaddy is foolish because......Anony says so? Circular argument.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]You guys miss the point. The idea was to show him that there is something wrong with his question as it comes loaded with the presumption that there is a stone God cannot carry and then goes on to phrase his question in such a way that there cannot possibly be a right answer. So I asked a similar question phrased in such a way that no matter how he answers it, he would still be wrong.

You don't create something out of the blue and then test against it. It is like if I ask can you bleed "unbleedable" blood or drink water that cannot be swallowed etc[b]
It is a silly question and all I'm doing is to try and show him the silliness of it.

He may as well ask "can God create huuekieiweiolloxx@$hdu# and make it drink milk?"[/b][/quote]Nope.....epic fail


One can move a rock depending on the size of the rock and the person's ability.


Can God create a rock that he can not move?

[quote author=Mr_Anony]I'll ask you a similar question:

"Does your mother know that you are stupi[i]d[/i]?"

If you say yes, then you are stupi[i]d[/i] and your mother knows it
If you say no, you are still stupi[i]d[/i] and your mother is too stupi[i]d[/i] recognize it
If you say you don't know, then you are too stupi[i]d[/i] to even understand the question
If you protest that the question is wrong or give an indirect answer, then you are an "artful dodger"
If you refuse to answer, then I have "debunked" you.[/quote]Epic fail.


Your question assumes that I am stupid. By the way, you could have found a less abusive way to explain yor fallacious thinking.

My question assumes that God can create things- based on religious doctrine

Omnipotence is a self-contradicting phenomena.


Omnipotence = ability to do all things

However, the ability to do all things would also require the ability not to be omnipotent!

vedaxcool: Since, u do not even know what u are saying, then sorry I can't help u! The video is a stark reminder on the many reasons we do not take u atheist like urself any more serious than a chewing gum stuck underneath a lab table!

Where did I say that she was being paid. Where?


See this liar. Go and look for the meaning of "shilling".

Uyi Iredia: @ ho

@ bolded You are an atheist because you have failed to make the very simple inference that just as things have creators the universe wherein which we find ourselves has a Creator. A very logical inference to make indeed.

Epic fail! You just made a fallacious statement and not a logical one.


The universe is not a thing. It is a collection of things.


It is like saying; "all instruments in an orchestra are played in harmony, therefore all orchestras are played in harmony"

OMG!! OMG!!

Cant believe a mushrik infidel like me gets recognized in the Islam section despite my love for haraam things!



I'm so emotional!!! I'm going t celebrate with some halal burger and coke (yes, no haram alcoholic cider today! )

Omnipotence = Ability to do all things


Can God create a rock that he can not move?

1) Yes.
-able to create the rock
-unable to move the rock.................impotence. omnipotence debunked!


2) No.
-able to move all rocks
-unable to create the unmovable rock.............impotence

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Lol, You are such a child.....I can keep answering you comment for comment but it really wouldn't help you. I don't see the use in going through all the motions again and having you abuse the work "debunk" at each turn..[/quote]Artful dodger, why are you running away from the issue?


Explain how Abraham is not a foolish person (if he even existed). What kind of parent would agree to sacrifice his child? Any good parent would put his life in danger to save his child rather than sacrificing the child

Sweetnecta: @MacDaddy01: It is called miracles. That means sign from God. Its a phenomenon. Tell us their professors, if you know any apart from God Who you ignorantly deny.

By the way, you must have to assume that somebody got up one day and took up a pen to write. Who taught that person to pick up a pen and write? If it was not inspiration from God, tell me what inspired the person then and did not inspired him long before?

Use the same thinking cap when you are answering subject matters on Islam. Muhammad [sa] said he was a prophet. It is not a new thing that there be a human prophet.

He had a book of revelation with laws and instructions, etc. Thats not new, either. Your problem is that you have arrogantly wore prideful garment and you dont know how ridiculous you are to others.

Carry go and gerrraaotu from eeeha.

The moment you start believing that illiterates could become scholars on various academic fields, you open the door to believing nonsense.

Just look at this thread. LagosShia probably heard some Shia myths about their main man (Imam Ali) and just believed it then came here to spread it.


None of the calenders used in Imam Ali's time had 360 days. LagosShia went on to believe the lies without fact checking. Simple fact checking saves one the problem of believing fairytales.

blaqoracle: macdaddy.when an atheist defends christianity more than a christian would do ,then he becomes a crusader. i Doubt If really you an atheist. a Day Will Come When Atheism will rule the world

And where do you see me defending christianity?


As untrue as christianity is, it is not as controlling as islam here on nairaland

[quote author=Mr_Anony]you weary me[/quote]You mean to say "you debunk me"

How does this thread not get hidden or removed?


What kind of nonsense conspiracy babble is this?

buzugee: matthew 12 vs 26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

This coming from a christian who hates catholic christians?


The hypocrisy is epic!

Ptolomeus: I'm not an atheist.
But the only arrogant, bigoted and cowardly, many Muslims and Christians on the forum.
The blind bigotry and attack any time to all others.

hola!


I understand!

vedaxcool: ^

Lols and lmaos seems appropriate here , the unreasonable individual cannot provide any [b]evidence that shows the woman is being paid by Islam [/b]to praise Islam instead displays raw pains and almost moving to tears ; yet he comes back here and disgrace himself in the belief that his emotional outpouring would earn him sympathy! The difference is clear you still cannot show that u are able to reason and behave sensibly, this fact the woman towers above u in shaming ur delusion that ur disbelief represent rational thinking on your path!

BTW Fool might be what your parents called u when u told them u are an atheist or Fool is possibly what ur maggot eating and alcohol drinking N/delta people will call u when u announce ur disbelief but calling others what people call u does not make u any more intelligent than what we estimate ur intelligence to be!

And where did I say that she was paid by Islamic people?

davidylan: wetin dey bite you nah?

Avicenna: As an ex-muslim, it is suicidal to debate Islam with even the most liberal of muslims in real life. You may think you won with the shouting and directionless argument but you did not. You v imperiled yourself.

The hardcore will respond with immediate,mindless violence. This is present EVERYWHERE.

The liberal will try to debate you using the old argument and the plain stupid ones. But they will carry such a grudge against you eh....... Watching, you never know when they will strike you with misfortune.

Trust me , I KNOW. Done all that.

Not to generalise, there are good muslims. Good as in they ignore the violent part of Islam. Intellectual muslims who uses the same argument as the christians and for the believers, use the 'miracles' of the quran.

It is especially hard to argue a muslim. The arabic language is used for indoctrination , making it hard to form your own opinions. This is why most muslims are content with their religion. They don't know better. Those that know, leave. Others, may agree with the 'morality' in Islam and stay on.

I intend to reduce all the arabic terminologies to normal english that can easily be grasped by most people. It is harder than I thought. Seriously. Cos most arguments tend to be reduced to an exchange of arabic terms. Onlookers get bored. And you just have to give up.
Go thru the Islamic section to see what I'm talking about.

@macdaddy
You ever notice how their morality are different to yours? Even the ones taken for granted everywhere?
You need to see a islamic sermon by a charismatic Imam. The way they gloss over those things or completely ignore them will amaze you. I assure it.

100% agree!

davidylan: I made barely a comment here and you are attacking me already?
Have i humiliated you that much? pele o ma binu.

Shamless! Even when debunked, you still have the nerve to act like you made a great comment that shook yur opponent!


Kai, dubious christian!

[quote author=Mr_Anony]No we are not ashamed of the bible. The "normal thing" part is just your bias. I am sure you wouldn't accuse a newspaper of reporting murder as a "normal thing"[/quote]So the bible is only reporting?

When you see an article about genocide/murder in a newspaper, you see words like "criminal", "inhuman", "ghastly", "killer", "evil" to describe what happened. You dont see that in the bible. God gleefully tells us the horrific news in great details- "smash babies against rocks" , "I shall smite them!" , send forth your enemies' foreskins"


[quote author=Mr_Anony]It is interesting how you would sacrifice yourself for your nephew but you think Jesus is equally foolish for laying down His life for you[/quote]Mr. Artful Dodger, the issue is Abraham's willful st.upidity in agreeing to sacrifice his son.

I dont even think Jesus existed in the first place and guess what? I know my nephew and but Jesus did know me.

davidylan: uh oh. Infact i didnt raise the topic, a fellow atheist like you did. Look, there are so many similar questions that completely show up evolutionary theory for the rubble that it is. Belief in that theory requires so much more faith than you need to believe in a bible.

Secondly, where did i act dubious? I just pointed out to you that many of you are completely stupefied by the fact that your favorite theory actually raises way more questions than it answers... not my fault.

How foolish!


1) Aging/human lifespan has always been a difficult issue, even before evolution.

2) Evolution actually answers more questions than it raises. Apologetic christians like you want evolution to explain everything before you accept it. Evolution should explain everything about human life (when we dont know everything about the human body). I know how dubious christians like yourself operate.

vedaxcool: Lols and lmaos seems appropriate here , the atheist is pained that one of his "own" (off course reading his response there is no basis to ever think they have similar capacity to reason) reasoned in a manner that befits a rational thinking person, she is suddenly bought for Islam yet the "logic" he lives by provides not an iota of proof to support his claim yet we should believe the woman is paid to say what she says simply because this boy has appropriated himself the prophet atheism . . . We see how irrational this people are . . . Only good on throwing allegations without proof!

1)@ bold part Projection. Just because you are pained everytime a boko haram blows himself in the name of your Allah, it doesnt mean that the same happens with atheist. Dont project your butthurt on others. I am not like you and there is no equivalence/similarity between atheism and Islamic thinking


2)The woman that you like so much is an agnostic.


3) The woman in the video is a confused person shilling for Islam. Please, look as how she describes herself;

She has described herself as "a Jew who once seriously considered becoming a rabbi, a former convent schoolgirl who daydreamed about being a nun, an agnostic with a deep sense of religious mystery though no affinity for organized religion".[3] "Everything is paradox," she has said. "The danger is one-dimensional thinking".

Is this somebody that should have any credibility speaking for the Quran?


I will leave to your newly discovered video to gloat like a fool who has found fake gold and thinks it is real

vedaxcool: Lols and lmaos seems appropriate here , the atheist is pained that one of his "own" (off course reading his response there is no basis to ever think they have similar capacity to reason) reasoned in a manner that befits a rational thinking person, she is suddenly bought for Islam yet the "logic" he lives by provides not an iota of proof to support his claim yet we should believe the woman is paid to say what she says simply because this boy has appropriated himself the prophet atheism . . . We see how irrational this people are . . . Only good on throwing allegations without proof!

1)@ bold part Projection. Just because you are pained everytime a boko haram blows himself in the name of your Allah, it doesnt mean that the same happens with atheist. Dont project your butthurt on others. I am not like you and there is no equivalence/similarity between atheism and Islamic thinking


2)The woman that you like so much is an agnostic.


3) The woman in the video is a confused person shilling for Islam. Please, look as how she describes herself;

She has described herself as "a Jew who once seriously considered becoming a rabbi, a former convent schoolgirl who daydreamed about being a nun, an agnostic with a deep sense of religious mystery though no affinity for organized religion".[3] "Everything is paradox," she has said. "The danger is one-dimensional thinking".

Is this somebody that should have any credibility speaking for the Quran?


I will leave to your newly discovered video to gloat like a fool who has found fake gold and thinks it is real

davidylan: dont be daft. Being religious does not automatically mean you dont depend on logic or reason. Faith in the bible is a personal choice, i however believe that gravity is real and logical.

Secondly... you claim that you depend on logic and reason... can you logically explain evolution and how it determines lifespan pls?

See how deceitful Davidylan is? He uses a difficult issue (aging/lifespan) that we are still learning about to try to say that evolution is not logical.


You are sick. Does the bible teach you to act dubiously?

turnstoner: If you really believe this then there is no need for a debate! You can't argue with someone (who does not depend on logic or reason) upon something that does not depend on logic or reason!

The funny part is that he is a biologist!

vedaxcool:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrG8ooymBKA&feature=related

Atheist with sensible understanding of Islam Lesley Hazleton

enjoy!

That woman is a shill.

Epic fail. Do some research before putting up nonsense