₦airaland Forum

vedaxcool:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrG8ooymBKA&feature=related

Lesley Hazleton, provides a "tourist" and sensible way of understanding what you do not like; unlike NL misguided and ignorant atheist this woman is too much intellectually to ever think she and these NL atheist have anything in common!

See this aboki called Vedaxcool. Stop this propaganda.


It has been long established that the woman in this stale video is a shill for Islam.

Abeg, run back to your section.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]@mazaje, your are arguing besides the point even if Jephthah actually burnt his daughter, it still doesn't prove that it was with God's consent.

The task for you is to show us explicitly where God accepts this alleged human sacrifice either by showing us a verse where God demands it from Jephthah or a verse where God commends Jephthah for it. You still haven't done this.

(...and please don't argue from silence)[/quote]The question is that arent christians ashamed that their bible talks about burning children as if it is a normal thing?

Abraham is the biggest fool in the bible. What kind of parent is ready to sacrifice his son? I would sacrifice myself 10 times before I even think of sacrificing my nephew, not to even mention my of my son.

vedaxcool: They seek to extinguish the light of Allah, rather, Allah perfects his light even more!

By "light", do you mean bombs?

davidylan: and you got this stat from?

http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/09/28/survey-atheists-know-more-about-religion-than-believers/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTQGdFQdDOk

[quote author=Area_boy]I absolutely agree with you poster! but I'll raise two points to add to this

1 ) This problem isn't only with "Nigerian" atheists. Atheists around the world suffer or better-put "go through" this same criticism(not talking about Islam as much as christianity). The reason is deeply embedded in the religion called Islam. Clearly it isn't a religion of peace and compounded with the close-mindedness of its followers, one would think twice before engaging them. I remember during the Mohamed picture issue by the Danish journalist. Sam Harris thought about distributing his own version of the cartoons, but in his words.. "it took me 30seconds to realise this is what's gonna get me killed"

2) 90% or more of atheists on Nairaland were once Christians or brought up to be so. Hence they know a lot more about the it that any other religion and can take it on come rain come shine to dismantle their arguments. From simple interpolation, one can concluded that Islam as a religion is flawed just as much as many other religion and then some. I for one have not read the Qu'ran (from cover to cover) nor the Hadiths and so become lazy to engage them.

Also, With all the stories about a "ban 0rgy" going on there(Islamic section) I cant frankly be bothered lol[/quote]Thanks for the info. I agree with what you're saying.

[quote author=Area_boy]I absolutely agree with you poster! but I'll raise two points to add to this

1 ) This problem isn't only with "Nigerian" atheists. Atheists around the world suffer or better-put "go through" this same criticism(not talking about Islam as much as christianity). The reason is deeply embedded in the religion called Islam. Clearly it isn't a religion of peace and compounded with the close-mindedness of its followers, one would think twice before engaging them. I remember during the Mohamed picture issue by the Danish journalist. Sam Harris thought about distributing his own version of the cartoons, but in his words.. "it took me 30seconds to realise this is what's gonna get me killed"

2) 90% or more of atheists on Nairaland were once Christians or brought up to be so. Hence they know a lot more about the it that any other religion and can take it on come rain come shine to dismantle their arguments. From simple interpolation, one can concluded that Islam as a religion is flawed just as much as many other religion and then some. I for one have not read the Qu'ran (from cover to cover) nor the Hadiths and so become lazy to engage them.

Also, With all the stories about a "ban 0rgy" going on there(Islamic section) I cant frankly be bothered lol[/quote]Thanks for the info. I agree with what you're saying.

[quote author=Area_boy]I absolutely agree with you poster! but I'll raise two points to add to this

1 ) This problem isn't only with "Nigerian" atheists. Atheists around the world suffer or better-put "go through" this same criticism(not talking about Islam as much as christianity). The reason is deeply embedded in the religion called Islam. Clearly it isn't a religion of peace and compounded with the close-mindedness of its followers, one would think twice before engaging them. I remember during the Mohamed picture issue by the Danish journalist. Sam Harris thought about distributing his own version of the cartoons, but in his words.. "it took me 30seconds to realise this is what's gonna get me killed"

2) 90% or more of atheists on Nairaland were once Christians or brought up to be so. Hence they know a lot more about the it that any other religion and can take it on come rain come shine to dismantle their arguments. From simple interpolation, one can concluded that Islam as a religion is flawed just as much as many other religion and then some. I for one have not read the Qu'ran (from cover to cover) nor the Hadiths and so become lazy to engage them.

Also, With all the stories about a "ban 0rgy" going on there(Islamic section) I cant frankly be bothered lol[/quote]Thanks for the info. I agree with what you're saying.

Freksy: Hmmmm..., the ministry is growing.

Please, if you have nothing to say;


https://www.arjenfun.com/kriebelfun/images15/080607Theres_The_Door.jpg

buzugee: Logicboy is

Sharap there!

wiegraf: The other day, some teenager was complaining about being persecuted because she was being open about her doubt of islams tenets. She posts it here, with the aim of getting advice from atheists, somehow the thread ends up in the islamic section.

If one can't see how wrong that is, well, I'm speechless. Perhaps someone could explain to me why it was so?

Agreed. That is why we have to complain when we see things like this happen.

wiegraf: What is the context here? Because you're just admitting you prefer it for subjective reasons

lol....Davidylan rambles nonsense when he has been proven wrong,

LagosShia: as usual,when you're presented what you should read and comprehend on your own and answer your questions,you call it "robotic quotation".you want to keep arguing and twisting facts and turning up and down.

No....It's just that, I'm getting weak from the quotations......I have Buzugee and Anony making me drink cider to calm down from their bible quotataions.....now you're killing me with Quran quotations. Dont turn me into a drunkard!

LagosShia: Holy Quran 2:239
"And if you fear [an enemy, then pray] on foot or riding. But when you are secure, then remember Allah [in prayer], as He has taught you that which you did not [previously] know".

Holy Quran 42:52
"And thus We have revealed to you an inspiration of Our command. You did not know what is the Book or [what is] faith, but We have made it a light by which We guide whom We will of Our servants. And indeed, [O Muhammad], you guide to a straight path -"

Holy Quran 29:48
"And you did not recite before it any scripture, nor did you inscribe one with your right hand. Otherwise the falsifiers would have had [cause for] doubt".



The Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) said: "I am the City of Knowledge, and Ali is its Gate. So whoever intends to enter the City and the Wisdom, he should enter from its Gate."

Can you calm down with the robotic quotation?

davidylan: yawn. what is your point?

That you have no point? Yawn

You people are brainwashed to the fullest.

Was Muhammad an illiterate?

Where did Imam Ali learn all these things that are claimed about him;

-numerology
-theology
-law
-poetry
-philosophy


Or are these exaggerations? A warrior and a scholar and a religious man tied all into one.

ijawkid: Any one who doesn't believe in miracles aint a realist.......

I believe that it is a miracle that Ijawkid's muscles have not ruptured and killed him because of steroid overdose.

maclatunji: @bolded, it was you who claimed that the Arabs did not
have anything to sell to ancient Nigerians, apart from the
spices you mentioned, the Aristocracy in ancient Nigeria
would have bought foreign fabrics, utensils, artworks and
weapons from Arabs. So you see you are too narrow-
minded with your submissions.
Who said Islam didn't spread to Europe? Please read
about Moorish Spain and how Muslim rule ended there .

Huh? Why the lies? Why? Northern Nigerians were trading in spices? artworks? Foreign fabrics? LMAO.


Lol....do you have any evidence at all to support your claims? Stop saying things to protect your religion.

Arabs traded in slaves. They packed about 11-17 milliojn black slaves from sub-saharan Africa. End of story

Islam came through slavery and conquest.


Do you know what Islam in Europe looks like? Ants in a forest. The red parts represent islam in the picture


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/IslamInEurope.png/300px-IslamInEurope.png

davidylan: Read it in the NLT. However and as is usual... you have quoted out of context. The goal of a "burnt offering" was to honor the Lord. The goal of burning this city was for utter destruction, ruin and that it never be rebuilt again. Please read verses 16 and 17. those are key contextual portions you are deliberately ignoring.

The verse says

a) burn the plunder

b) burn the town.


Surely, the rebuilding of the city is only contextual to b.

davidylan: So if i burn thrash and a cockroach is in there it is automatically a burnt offering to the Lord?

Why do you fail so much?


You go to a city in the name of the lord and kill the inhabitants and then you burn all of them including their livestock. How is that not a burnt human sacrifice to the lord? You compare this to mistakenly kiling one cockroach by lighting a dustbin?



furthermore, another translation makes it clear that you have to burn the bible. Two translations against your myopic logical gymnasytics in twisting your own quote;

13 that scoundrels among you are leading their fellow citizens astray by saying, ‘Let us go worship other gods’—gods you have not known before. 14 In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find that the report is true and such a detestable act has been committed among you, 15[b] you must attack that town and completely destroy[a] all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. 16 Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the open square and burn it. Burn the entire town as a burnt offering to the Lord your God[/b]. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. 17 Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the Lord will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a large nation, just as he swore to your ancestor

davidylan: As usual, when atheists get stuck with their own false attacks they run off to copy from the web. Nothing original in all their acclaimed issues with the bible. When we read the link in question, it actually doesnt say the same thing as the above false claim...

Deut 13:13 Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;

14 Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;

15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.

16 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the Lord thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again.

1. the destruction was ordered by God as vengeance for those who deliberately disobey Him and lead others astray.

2. No where in that verse are we told that those people are to be offered as burnt offerings to the Lord. Infact verse 15 says only to smite the people with the sword as you would in a normal battle.

3. The city is to be burnt with fire... a typical method of destroying cities 3000 yrs ago.

so what exactly was mazaje's point? Did he and macdaddy take the time to read the link before copying and pasting?

What happens to the "smited" bodies of the inhabitants in the city when the city is burnt?

manmustwac: OK I will try visit Mecca and see what its like down there and if that maclunji bans me IF HE BANS ME......... Well lets not go there.

lmao.....

davidylan: the unspoken bottomline with secular humanism is this - "ye are gods".

Essentially your goal is to elevate man to the position of being in control of his own destiny and subordinate to no other. If that isnt self worship then pls educate me.

How can that it self worship to control your life? Must you be a slave? oh, Davidylan needs his sky daddy to give him a good destiny

manmustwac: So u class me as an arrogant coward then?

Probably. One should be consistent with his beliefs if you bash intolerance from christians in one section for something, you should also bash similar intolerance from muslims.


It depends on how you post

Majaze is right. Yaweh loves the Human sacrifice;





Burn Nonbelievers

"Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

davidylan: I'm shocked. You didnt know?

Secular humanism = Worship of self. ?? ?? ?? ??



This is good. Now everybody can see how christians like Anainy and Davidylan are liars and false witnesses. This is how they insult people that dont follow their religion with no remorse. Tell me, why would you insult and lie about secular humanists? Do you have the guts to make that foolish statement in public that secular humanism is the worship of self? How you can arrive at that conclusion is baffling.


You keep conflating and confusing different terms. Secular Humanism is not ethical egoism or hedonism.

LagosShia: here:




now i want to ask you this for you to critically think about it.

in the battle of karbala where 40,000 soldiers at the order of Yazid gathered to massacre the Prophet's (sa) household and beheaded the grandson of Prophet Muhammad (sa),Imam Hussain (as),didn't those monsters also claimed to be "muslims"? so would you then say it is Islam that is responsible for their attrocities committed against the Ahlul-Bayt (as)?

please think.it is boring when a thread is based on stubbornness than reason.

Pure nonsense.


1) The Arabs were mostly muslim Arabs. An overwhelming majority.

2) As for Nigeria, it was only slave trade that the Arabs were engaged in

3) No religion has ever spread through trade over local religions. Never in human history.

4) What Arab army are you talking about? Who cares what the Arabs on conquest in west africa called themselves? If we call the conquerors "armies of Arabs" than your point about no arab army in west africa is moot.

maclatunji: Dear Child, there's nothing like "brotherhood" for many people when money is involved.

What did the Arabs trade with the Europeans?

But there was brotherhood for Arabs that didnt sell their brethren to Africans? Stop defending the slave trading Arabs. Inferiority complex. This kind of thinking of my fellow Nigerians just saddens me.



What does European trade with Arabs have to do with West African slavery? It only buttresses my point. Why didnt islam spread in Europe upon all the spice trade they had going on? Howver, when there was slavery of the locals, Islam spread in West Africa.

LagosShia: you are mistaken the year of the hijrah for the year the hijrah calendar was formed.the calendar itself based on the hijrah was formed more than a decade (almost two) after the actual event and after the death of Prophet (sa).the Quran only touches on the basic descriptions like the months to God are 12 and 4 are sacred,e.t.c.but the calendar form itself was established decades after the hijrah.

-Imam Ali (as) was born in the year 600 CE

-the hijrah of the Prophet (sa) from Makkah to Medinah was in the year 622 CE

-seventeen years after the hijrah,the hijrah year was designated as the first year of the islamic calendar.

so Imam Ali (as) then was 22+17=39 years old.


you have again used your ignorance to call me a "liar" and proven wrong.this is the second time.

You lie so much, you should be a politician.


First of all, Imam Ali's reign came in 656 when the Islamic calender was in full use around 632 (10 years after the Hijrah)

So Imam Ali used the Islamic calendar.


Even if he didnt use the Islamic calender, the pre-islamic calender has less than 360 days. Why? All lunar calendars have less than 360 days.

manmustwac: I don't even bother with posting in the islamic section coz its usually christians handing me leaflets or stopping me in the road trying to convert me I just focuss on them.

What a silly excuse. I rather someone hand me leaflets than another person killing me for daring to have a muslim girlfriend or voicing my opinions about religion.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]You miss the point, At the core of satanism is that they despise God hence they say that self is the ultimate authority.
Though they elevate the devil, the main point of satanism is the worship of self.

This view that self preservation is the highest law is what should logically follow in an atheistic humanist worldview and not selfless christian practices.[/quote]Sorry to say this but you are willfully ignorant while pushing christian bias to define secularism.


Self preservation is a basic human instinct that permeates all humans including human creations like religions and gods. Tell me, what is selfless about christianity? Tell me, did your God not order Jewish people to exterminate their enemies? Is salvation not a personal thing? Can you give your salvation to an unrepentant family memeber?


When did secular humanism = worship of self? Humanism is for all humans.