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A001:
This is your latest mischief and lie , quoting the mentally unstable kid.

I asked you the questions below to give proof of your assertions, but you can't answer them.

You had better stop embarrassing yourself on a public forum by using words you don't know their meaning.

A001:
You and the kid you quoted reason alike.

Any smart person reading my posts you quoted will see where I clearly stated that when it comes to the origin of humanity, evolution is the only established scientific fact, not intelligent design (as stated in Otem's book, Olorun's creation story, Qur'an's, the Bible's).

In other words, intelligent design isn't a scientific fact (which I even stated in my posts you quoted).

But then, you obviously don't understand these clear statements.

If you use the dictionary more often, you'll find it easier to understand clear statements in English.

Crystyano:
In the name of otem

Crystyano:
A001 is so quick to calling you names whenever you say he's wrong

But that doesn't mean he's right


I expect him to start calling me names after reading this

A001:
Read the comment again, and check what position or theory means in a dictionary since you obviously don't know that both are different from a fact like evolution.

This is the kind of posts you make when you think emotionally, and not critically.

A001:
For instance, the early settlers on this planet in Yorubaland were Olohun, Osun, Oya, Yemoja, and the likes, all of which are humanoids (giant human-like entities) who molded early humans in their image as their slaves or worshippers.

The same thing applies to all cultures around the world, including Ibo, Israel, Arab, and others. Each culture as its own unique gods and goddesses that created early humans in that part of the world.

But some of these humanoids also reincarnated as homo erectus and homo sapiens.

Before the homo erectus and homo sapiens eras, there are many pieces of evidence in various parts of the world showing a race of ancient humanoids or aliens had existed on this planet some billions of years ago.

These are gods worshipped as God today in various world's religions. They're advanced beings or higher beings or early beings.

Thanks to great books like Otem's, the one shared above, and many other resources online, it's now known that all the entities worshipped as a deity around the world, including Yorubaland, Arab, etc. are the ancestors of early humans.

Olohun is the ancestor of Yorubas, just like Allah and Jehovah are the ancestors of Arabs and Israelites respectively with each claiming the title of God.

That these entities are human-like beings is quite clear if one examines their human-like traits in Yoruba oral cultures, Qur'an and the Bible respectively.

A001:
Read the below statement I made earlier again and have a dictionary nearby to aid your understanding:
"For instance, the early settlers on this planet in Yorubaland were Olohun, Osun, Oya, Yemoja, and the likes, all of which are humanoids (giant human-like entities) who molded early humans in their image as their slaves or worshippers.

The same thing applies to all cultures around the world, including Ibo, Israel, Arab, and others. Each culture as its own unique gods and goddesses that created early humans in that part of the world.

That's my own position based on the books I read. People have various positions and theories on the origin of humanity, but evolution is the only established concept in science."

macof:
you are not bright at all. I asked where are the papers that say "olorun is an alien or homo erectus ancestor of the yorubas" nothing in this question implies a challenge to the existence of archaic hominidae, my knowledge of evolutionary biology is vastly above yours so get that straight first of all.
My question to you is to support your statement that Olorun is an alien or homo erectus or an ancestor of the yorubas. simple english. for someone who has been shouting about english and saying "check the menaing", "check the meaning" you sure have big problems comprehending english.

There is no tradition in yorubaland of the ancients being giants. and homo erecti were not giants


lmao. this is hilarious. what has evolution (biology) got to do with the cultural origin of ethnic spiritualities and religious traditions? What is the correlation between the cultural figure of Osun with aliens or homo erectus (whom you call "giant human-like entities" ). Deities are a part of culture and traditions and culture and traditions evolve, they are a result of experience not clairvoyance, so different cultures will obviously have different deities because they have and have had different experiences not because different ethnicities were created by different deities..but of course related ethnicities would tend to have many deities especially the most important ones that are theological equivalents tracable to a common tradition like linguists such as Christopher Ehret describe about the supreme deity among Niger-congo speakers deriving from *nyambe - the Proto-niger congo supreme deity - "the Beginner".
This is how the cultural origin of deities are studied by scholars

This your comment is like scientology - there is nothing scientific about it, you are taking scientific theories and turning them up side down to fit a notion of knowledge of the universe by "revelation" and "imagination". This is what happens when you take sci-fi and other fictions seriously.

A001:


Nairaland and silly folks.

Arguing with low IQ people can really be such a drudgery!

Who calls a WhatsApp group a cult when the members don't hold meetings physically, have no strict rules, dogmas, and rituals?

I've never seen any of the authors I mentioned their book, and one ignorant mofo is talking about belonging to a cult.

This is the height of stupidity

A001:
I dislike ignorant people, and you behave like one.

Otem himself knows I'm only his fan here. I don't have a master since I don't belong in a cult, and I question and challenge all kinds of knowledge and doctrines.

Just rest with your agenda. You're wasting your time.

A001:
Yea, you sound like them.

I see Otem's writings give you a lot of headache, and you're keen to discuss them.

But this thread wasn't created for that purpose. Any interested reader can do a critical analysis of the book later.

The relevant aspects of the book related to the other literature have already been examined, and the discussion is done and dusted.

Whether the book is a book of facts or fiction, as you say, is really of no concern to me at this period.

Please, stop detailing the thread with your rantings about the book. It's like pouring water into an empty basket.

A001:
This Otem's issue dey give religious people like you a lot of headache.

Again, this is not the thread and the time for this discussion.

I didn't bother to read that long epistle because it's only derailing the thread.

A001:
I haven't seen any reason to provide any facts when I didn't even ask you to believe any of the assertions I made in the first place.

Discussing those facts isn't the purpose of creating this thread. If you need to know the historical facts in the book, get it and learn.

This thread isn't meant for that.

Lols. You think I'm a jobless fellow that will waste precious time here discussing historical facts in the book when this thread isn't meant for such.

You just look like a joker to me anyway because the historical facts you seek are in many of Otem's threads. But I purposefully decided not to post any here because I don't have the time to engage in lengthy discussions on that subject, which will derail the thread.

If there's any thread that needs my attention now, it's the one (link below) I made to discuss concepts, laws, principles, and discoveries in Physics which I've only been able to update four times or so within the past six weeks due to my busy schedule.

https://www.nairaland.com/6690123/all-science-key-facts-researches

I had planned to update it daily when I created the thread.

macof:
let me remind you as i said before you made several statements about the content of the book trying to teach us what the book says telling us it has a lot of depth. I asked you why would anybody take any of that seriously and you told me Otem is a genius who wrote many facts. And so far all you have said are what you are now saying are not facts but mere "possibilities, claims" . why did you try to teach us what even you have no confidence on?

It is on record that you have failed to present any facts from the book. And this is what is making you bi*ch around

A001:
I intentionally don't want to do so because the facts you seek are on different threads of the author here on Nairaland. But you're too lazy to read and only want to derail the thread with your childish rantings.

Once you agree you're a cultist because you are a member of Nairaland, that means you're right.

It's you who need to check the meaning of cult, claim, fact, possibility since you use these words embarrassingly without knowing their meaning.

Lols. This man is so ignorant. There are concrete bodies of evidence in the form of tons of archeological fossils showing homo erectuses lived on this planet before our own species, homo sapiens.

And you think Yorubaland is an exception? Lols. The African origin of humankind isn't even a claim but a well established fact in Archeology and Paleontology.

When it comes to the origin of humans, it's the dominant view in those fields.

It's obvious you didn't go through the links I posted earlier. You'll find the papers you seek there.

In various cultures around the world including Yorubaland, the ancients were said to be giants (homo erectuses), which are human species predating homo sapiens.

About the Olohun part, I stated this earlier: "For instance, the early settlers on this planet in Yorubaland were Olohun, Osun, Oya, Yemoja, and the likes, all of which are humanoids (giant human-like entities) who molded early humans in their image as their slaves or worshippers.

The same thing applies to all cultures around the world, including Ibo, Israel, Arab, and others. Each culture as its own unique gods and goddesses that created early humans in that part of the world."

That's my own position based on the books I read. People have various positions and theories on the origin of humanity, but evolution is the only established concept in science.

Again, I made the highlighted clear in one of my posts you quoted, but your emotional reactions to my posts won't let you see things right under your nose.

A001:
OtemAtum is in the best position to answer this question regarding his educational background, but from what I know on Nairaland he didn't study any of those courses or History.

But what I can say is regarding the question is:

Which university did Herodotus, Faraday, Newton, and similar great thinkers attend to be able to write seminal works that millions have studied in courses for hundreds of years?

Were any of these figures professors in their field?

Which school of music did great artists like Da Vinci, Tupac, MJ, and many others go to have such wonderful gifts to produce records, which thousands of students have studied in school?

In history, many people have been able to leave indellible marks on the sands of time even without receiving formal education.

If one isn't educated within the four walls of a classroom, it doesn't mean such a one isn't educated at all.

Thomas Edison understands this deeply when he said, "genius is one percent inspiration and ninety-nine percent perspiration."

That one percent inspiration can be what makes all the difference in deciding whether a person lives and dies a common man or a god. Someone like Prof Wole Soyinka would also understand this clearly.

Looking at Otem's name, the source of the histories should be clear enough to people that know the various names given to Atum in ancient Egypt.

Then, anyone that has read the book with an open mind will recognize the genius of the writer.

People take him seriously because of many reasons:

1. The Seriot language, which has the elements of a natural language
2. It's beyond the capability of a single person to put the content of that book together with that depth and still invent a new language that looks natural
3. The author uses an approach that looks scientific and encourages skepticism and critical thinking
4. Some of the assertions of the author have a lot of depth and scientific explanations
5. Many of the histories in the book have a lot of depth and are consistent with some other books corroborating the author's assertions.
6. Atum is the creator of ancient Egypt and is the chief source of the author (ancient Egypt and their pyramids are fascinating)
7. The book doesn't promote any religion or god. It's a book of history and philosophy.

There are other reasons, but these ones are okay.

Whenever I read the book, the picture of Herodotus comes to mind.

Which school did the great thinker attend that earned him the title, "the father of history"?

During his time, some of his contemporaries also mocked him, saying that his works wouldn't stand the test of time. But they were wrong.

Sleyk:
These are the repentant terrorist group, cos a sane military personnel will not fire a GPMG directly to civilian houses.

These are the terrorist MNK talked about that they'll come and they've come. That's what the Fulanis controlled government have in plan by forgiving the so called terrorist and integrating then into the ARMY.


From their works, you shall know them.

HarshBitterTrut:
I am son of Jerry Bub De France my tribe are the Franks.

Who are you?

HarshBitterTrut:
Because I personally desire to know where you are coming from.

HarshBitterTrut:
What is your father's ethnic group?

HarshBitterTrut:
Benin Kingdom is an idolatrous Empire and that is no insult. Catholicism is an idolatrous religion and Rome an idolatrous Empire. Benin are famous for their carved idols which is considered some of the world's most exquisite artworks of brass and copper. Yet those carvings are depictions of gods and goddesses worshipped in their traditions. Some go around this definition by saying it's ancestral reverence yet the ancestors have been made into deities. If it's an image of a deity it is an idol. And not all religions have idols. The Torah written by Black Jews forbid idols and the Bible and Quran also forbids idols.

There is a dispute not spoken here. There is no deity besides the Creator and all other deities were created by man. This is the basis of Jewish faith which was the faith of Abraham. And it was never forced upon polytheists quite the contrary Abraham in Asia was forced to flee his home because of polytheists I.e idol worshippers.

Africa is not the origin of man. And the primate Lucy is not man's ancestor. We did not evolve from animal but we were created separate. Africa rooted in animal worship supports this Whiteman unscientific theory that man evolves from Apes just to feel superior as the land of origins.

A001:
The person I directed the questions to already answered them and shared his thoughts.

And the discussion is closed.

Your rantings are of no use to me.

You clearly don't know when to stop. Otem's book with over 1300 pages has many historical facts as well as many unverified claims.

There are more than enough historical facts I can post from it on this thread, but that will only derail the thread as the relevant parts of the literature related to this thread have already been discussed.

No need for a further discussion on the book. And if you're seeking a critical review of the literature, this thread isn't one.

Again, you're merely speaking ignorantly. Lols.

What psychological hold does a WhatsApp group of sceptics have on its members?

You mean the group which this thread talks about has a physiological hold on its members: https://www.nairaland.com/6712597/having-doubts-faith-not-alone

Lols.

Nairaland must also be one big cult then. LMFAO The Cult of the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

You're not only confused but also superstitious.

This group in question was even created by an atheist on Nairaland here in August who doesn't even take Otem's book seriously. Lols.

This man and his risible posts

This shows you're not widely read. Is Otem the first person to talk about UFOs and aliens?

Lols.

You don't know UFOs (unidentified flying objects) and UAPs (unidentified aerial phenomena) are active research areas in the US military, and in the Astrophysics, and Extraterrestrial or Planetary Science departments of various schools?

Lols.

There are even various papers on the subject published in reputable journals.

HarshBitterTrut:
There are two documentaries showing the link between Edo and Edom.

The first thing is to consider is their idolatrous religion which contains fertility sex practices, idol worship, fetishes, human and animal sacrifices.

Then you must consider all people originate from Asia and many went into Africa. All people were originally of dark hue until the curse of Canaanite brought about albinos known as leprosy. Losing melanin is a serious issue in a tropical zone and it occurs mostly in Africa. Only the descendants of Canaanites would carry such curse. Albinoism doesn't occur at all among Black Americans. If it does that family has Hamite genetics.

A001:
When I started talking about the book in relation to the other literature on the comparison of Orunmila and Socrates, did I mention your moniker or direct any question to you?

The questions I asked about Orumila and Ifa are related to some parts of the latter book, and I have since got answers to them.

These questions were not even directed at you; yet, you're so worked up on them. Lols.

Again, if you're looking for facts or fiction in Otem's book, this thread wasn't created for such.

You can read the title of the thread again and the OP.

Many atheists and agnostics have a group online via websites, Facebook, and WhatsApp groups, and members can leave whenever they wish.


You're very confused and don't know what a cult is.

The only WhatsApp group of skeptics I belong to only posts things a couple of times in a month. No ritual, dogma, strict rules, or commitment from members, and anyone can leave at anytime without receiving any backlash or criticism.

Is that what you call a cult? Can anyone leave a cult or religion without suffering grave consequences?

I see critical thinking isn't your forte.

If your assertion is true, well that makes every group a cult then.

You need to make use of the dictionary more often because you're clearly ignorant of many words you throw around in English.

You just read some childish remarks on Nairaland and laugh

A001:
For instance, the early settlers on this planet in Yorubaland were Olohun, Osun, Oya, Yemoja, and the likes, all of which are humanoids (giant human-like entities) who molded early humans in their image as their slaves or worshippers.

The same thing applies to all cultures around the world, including Ibo, Israel, Arab, and others. Each culture as its own unique gods and goddesses that created early humans in that part of the world.

But some of these humanoids also reincarnated as homo erectus and homo sapiens.

Before the homo erectus and homo sapiens eras, there are many pieces of evidence in various parts of the world showing a race of ancient humanoids or aliens had existed on this planet some billions of years ago.

These are gods worshipped as God today in various world's religions. They're advanced beings or higher beings or early beings.

Thanks to great books like Otem's, the one shared above, and many other resources online, it's now known that all the entities worshipped as a deity around the world, including Yorubaland, Arab, etc. are the ancestors of early humans.

Olohun is the ancestor of Yorubas, just like Allah and Jehovah are the ancestors of Arabs and Israelites respectively with each claiming the title of God.

That these entities are human-like beings is quite clear if one examines their human-like traits in Yoruba oral cultures, Qur'an and the Bible respectively.

A001:
The literarure claims Luwabi lived about 140,000 years ago in the homo sapiens era as a reincarnated homo erectus.

Based on the available bodies of (dated) archeological evidence, the homo erectus era spanned around 2 million years (starting from Africa), while the current homo sapiens era started about 280,000 years ago from Africa.

We're currently in the 282,021th year of the homo sapiens era according to some classifications.

Anyone that has truly read the histories of Luwabi in that book will observe an interesting level of depth and consistency in them that make the stories look convincing and profound.

According to the histories, when Luwabi reincarnated as a homo sapiens, he even retained his writing skills as a giant homo erectus (using codes to represent signs on leaves), deep thinking and critical thinking ability, and philosophical skills and started exhibiting these things right from 10 years of age that people around him said he was a prodigy, or a genius, or the return of Ifa.

(In this part of the world and around the world, we heard by oral tales while growing up that the ancients were giants.)

It appears reincarnated people retain some of their skills and abilities/knowledge from their past life.

There's something about the histories in the book that make it look believable. Hence, I consider it very possible that Luwabi might have lived in the ancient past of Yorubaland.

But one may not really know these things for sure, considering the length of time (over 140,000 years ago) and also due to the fact that most of the histories of our forefathers in this part of the world are lost or never recorded/documented.

Then again, those patches of leaves the book said he wrote on wouldn't be able to last for that long, not even 100 years let alone 140,000.

I don't think anyone living today can trace his genealogy back to hundreds, thousands of years in the past (except Otem who says he knows his history right from the Beginning; he posted it on one of his threads and contains his encounters with Olorun, quite interesting with some scientific aspects).

If interested, you may check it here, quite fascinating and with a lot of depth: https://www.nairaland.com/4462945/otem-sapiens-historical-account-saviour

This inability of most living people today to trace their genealogy back to several years in the past shows a majority of the histories of our forefathers are lost or never recorded/documented.

The book narrates Orunmila (being a giant humanoid from the beginning) had reincarnated as a homo sapiens as a reciter of the verses of Ifa (Ifa had reincarnated before him as a homo sapiens) some 100,000 years in the homo sapiens era after Luwabi came back to Earth again the second time — and that there was even a writer with the name Sodeke that lived in this region within 265,000 – 280,000 years of the homo sapiens epoch as a reteller of the stories of Luwabi.

According to the book, there was even a flood era about 195,000 – 230,000 years ago in different parts parts of the world where many histories of people and world events were lost.

So far, there's been no scientific evidence that a flood era had once occurred on Earth but that doesn't mean there was no such era.

Ifaodu verses, for all their greatness and rich ideas and fascinating use of the language, don't contain detailed information about the different human species in history (homo sapiens, homo erectus, and earlier species) mainly because many of our forefathers weren't scientifically inclined and couldn't develop dating technologies like the whites.

For instance, when talking about Sango or Ogun, no information is given whether he's a nephilim, anakim, rephalm, homo erectus, etc. That classification is highly important for scholarly works and critical analyses.

In that aspect, Otem's book of history has done a wonderful job based on my own critique.

HarshBitterTrut:
What exactly is the simple correction that you would like?

A001:
You're quite confused and contradicting yourself, Mr cultist. You continue to talk ignorantly about a subject you know nothing about, looking for a cult where there's none.

This thread is not a critical review of the book as the title of the thread shows; hence, any further discussion on the book, whether it's facts or fiction, is derailing the thread IMO.

I have got the answers to some of my questions earlier (related to certain claims in Otem's book) on this thread and in the book about Orunmila and Socrates.

If you need to read the critical review of the literature, when anyone of the readers feels like creating a thread on that, you might know.

Then, I don't know why I should waste my time answering your questions when you can look for your own answers yourself and form your cult personality around the writer as you wish.

While some readers (myself not inclusive) have suggested creating a group of freethinkers on one of Otem's threads, the writer clearly warned them to make sure the group doesn't become a cult.

Still, there are various public groups of freethinkers and atheists on WhatsApp and Facebook for interested people.

You can rest with your cult idea now. It only exists in your imagination.

A001:
For instance, the early settlers on this planet in Yorubaland were Olohun, Osun, Oya, Yemoja, and the likes, all of which are humanoids (giant human-like entities) who molded early humans in their image as their slaves or worshippers.

The same thing applies to all cultures around the world, including Ibo, Israel, Arab, and others. Each culture as its own unique gods and goddesses that created early humans in that part of the world.

But some of these humanoids also reincarnated as homo erectus and homo sapiens.

Before the homo erectus and homo sapiens eras, there are many pieces of evidence in various parts of the world showing a race of ancient humanoids or aliens had existed on this planet some billions of years ago.

These are gods worshipped as God today in various world's religions. They're advanced beings or higher beings or early beings.

Thanks to great books like Otem's, the one shared above, and many other resources online, it's now known that all the entities worshipped as a deity around the world, including Yorubaland, Arab, etc. are the ancestors of early humans.

Olohun is the ancestor of Yorubas, just like Allah and Jehovah are the ancestors of Arabs and Israelites respectively with each claiming the title of God.

That these entities are human-like beings is quite clear if one examines their human-like traits in Yoruba oral cultures, Qur'an and the Bible respectively.

samuk:
You are asking me to provide the evidence which you agree is all over the internet which you even provided a snapshot.

[s]
Again, Benin have nothing to do with Ife, there are no historical records to back such relationship existed before 1897.

The Oba of Benin belongs to one of the numerous families that ruled the land from prehistoric times. The oba was just first amongst equal before power was concentrated in the hands of the Umogun Oza family but not without a fight from other families of which the most notable is the ogiamien family. Nobody came from Ife.

Unless you want to tell us the meaning of the name of the oba family and other related titles in yoruba.

Please tell us the yoruba meanings of:

1. Umogun
2. Uku
3. Oza

Mind you, Oza nogogo speaks a variant of the Edo language similar to Ika language, you can see why the Oba of Benin have more chances of being Igbo than Yoruba.

Blame you sister for damaging the Benin/Ife fairytale. I warned her with the way she was going about it, today, no one is convinced. Even you and her are completely deflated and now have your doubts .[/s]

samuk:
Some people view history from a supremacy perspective rather than looking at the evidence. If there are historic evidence that linked Benin to Ife most of us wouldn't have any issues with it. Like you said, the Obaseki family is a well established Edo family despite their great grandfather coming from the Anioma part of Old Benin empire, there are other similar families in Benin. We don't have any problems with this, but what we will not take or tolerate is lack of evidence to support claims being made.

The old Benin empire was built by talents from all over the place, the Benin administrators were very smart people who always seek and invite talented people into the city to help with empire building. Nigeria controlled by the so call majority tribes is yet to archive what the old Benin empire archived.

Under the old Benin empire, they created a monument that was once adjudged the largest man made structure on earth by the Guinness book of world records, the empire artistic creation is still a marvel of the world and perhaps the largest collection of Africa artefacts in Western museums, only comparable to ancient Egypt.

Nigeria has not made similar impact in the world because tribalism rather than talent and excellence is more important to the major ethnic tribes.

A001:
Can you mention where I told you the Luwabi stories in the book are historical facts?

It seems some so-called educated people here don't know the meaning of possibility, might, claim.

You can read my comments again. But this time, have a dictionary handy to clarify the meaning of those words in bold.

A standard dictionary will help you know what's called a fact because you obviously don't know the difference between a fact and a claim.

Again, quote where I said the Luwabi history in that book is a historical fact.

Nairaland and silly remarks.

So I'm doing PR for the book, and other two I shared above and those sites? Lols. Because when you get the book or visit the sites, I get to earn some commission?

Lols. This is so hilariously silly!

It's not my business whether you read any book mentioned here or not.

Expressions like if you're interested, if that's necessary, the author claims, in my comments show you don't even know what's called a PR.


Are you the founder of this cult that only exists in your head?

If all it takes to become a cultist is to read a book and go through a language, that means many doctors and professors that work as archeologists, egyptologists, and linguists are cultists since many of such people have worked with and translated strange languages in the writings of ancient Egyptians, Sumeria, Mesopotamia.

Heck, students even study these things in school. They've automatically become cultists.

See childish thinking lols

samuk:
Whilst I am not in the mood to start debating the Oduduwa fairytale with you, but as the story goes, Oranmiyan was supposed to have come to Benin and gave birth to the oba of Benin and then moved to Oyo and gave birth to the Alaafin of Oyo, there is no record of him having more children in Ife, the Ooni was just the chief priest that took care of the gods and shrines in Ife. Even if Oranmiyan have had other children after he left Benin and Oyo these children would have been juniors to but the Oba of Benin and Alaafin of Oyo.

The oyo throne have been occupied by women obas which makes the oba of Benin the authentic bloodline back to Oranmiyan.

Before you start to get excited, we all know that the Oduduwa story is a myth with no historical foundations.

samuk:
No one can become an oba in Benin without being a Prince carrying the blood of an oba, women are not allowed. In yoruba land, women have been obas in the past with their children becoming contestant to the thrones.

If Oduduwa existed, the Oba of Benin remains the only authentic bloodline back to Oranmiyan.

The extent of the Benin wall or moat is world acknowledged. As for you having a copy of the 1974 Guinness book of world records, you all always claim to always have copies of various books but when challenged for evidence, you retort to insults. It's a well known tactics by you guys. Besides I never mentioned the edition of the Guinness book of records in my post you responded to.

A001:
Lols. Do you have this book? Have you read it? How many pages are in it?

I'm sure you can't answer any of these questions because you don't have it and haven't read it.

Africans are a funny lot. Who criticizes or comments on a book he hasn't read? SMH.

It's glaring you've not even read it.

You can keep your opinions about the book (you don't know anything about) to yourself. They're of no use to me.

The author has given the appropriate title to his book. No one cares whether you regard it as a book of facts or fictions.

That's up to the individual reader to decide.

A001:
The literarure claims Luwabi lived about 140,000 years ago in the homo sapiens era as a reincarnated homo erectus.

Based on the available bodies of (dated) archeological evidence, the homo erectus era spanned around 2 million years (starting from Africa), while the current homo sapiens era started about 280,000 years ago from Africa.

We're currently in the 282,021th year of the homo sapiens era according to some classifications.

Anyone that has truly read the histories of Luwabi in that book will observe an interesting level of depth and consistency in them that make the stories look convincing and profound.

According to the histories, when Luwabi reincarnated as a homo sapiens, he even retained his writing skills as a giant homo erectus (using codes to represent signs on leaves), deep thinking and critical thinking ability, and philosophical skills and started exhibiting these things right from 10 years of age that people around him said he was a prodigy, or a genius, or the return of Ifa.

(In this part of the world and around the world, we heard by oral tales while growing up that the ancients were giants.)

It appears reincarnated people retain some of their skills and abilities/knowledge from their past life.

There's something about the histories in the book that make it look believable. Hence, I consider it very possible that Luwabi might have lived in the ancient past of Yorubaland.

But one may not really know these things for sure, considering the length of time (over 140,000 years ago) and also due to the fact that most of the histories of our forefathers in this part of the world are lost or never recorded/documented.

Then again, those patches of leaves the book said he wrote on wouldn't be able to last for that long, not even 100 years let alone 140,000.

I don't think anyone living today can trace his genealogy back to hundreds, thousands of years in the past (except Otem who says he knows his history right from the Beginning; he posted it on one of his threads and contains his encounters with Olorun, quite interesting with some scientific aspects).

If interested, you may check it here, quite fascinating and with a lot of depth: https://www.nairaland.com/4462945/otem-sapiens-historical-account-saviour

This inability of most living people today to trace their genealogy back to several years in the past shows a majority of the histories of our forefathers are lost or never recorded/documented.

The book narrates Orunmila (being a giant humanoid from the beginning) had reincarnated as a homo sapiens as a reciter of the verses of Ifa (Ifa had reincarnated before him as a homo sapiens) some 100,000 years in the homo sapiens era after Luwabi came back to Earth again the second time — and that there was even a writer with the name Sodeke that lived in this region within 265,000 – 280,000 years of the homo sapiens epoch as a reteller of the stories of Luwabi.

According to the book, there was even a flood era about 195,000 – 230,000 years ago in different parts parts of the world where many histories of people and world events were lost.

So far, there's been no scientific evidence that a flood era had once occurred on Earth but that doesn't mean there was no such era.

Ifaodu verses, for all their greatness and rich ideas and fascinating use of the language, don't contain detailed information about the different human species in history (homo sapiens, homo erectus, and earlier species) mainly because many of our forefathers weren't scientifically inclined and couldn't develop dating technologies like the whites.

For instance, when talking about Sango or Ogun, no information is given whether he's a nephilim, anakim, rephalm, homo erectus, etc. That classification is highly important for scholarly works and critical analyses.

In that aspect, Otem's book of history has done a wonderful job based on my own critique.

HarshBitterTrut:
Sounds personal. I'm not getting ypur stake in this. May I ask politely, were you somehow offended personally by this post? You seem quite bothered.

A001:
Lols. You obviously haven't read his book. I already gave some of the reasons above.

If that book was written by a white author, it would have become a bestseller in no time with the author commanding millions of fans and followers.

Any smart person that read the book would know there are many facts in it, and many unverified claims as well (like the story of Luwabi above).

Who has now mixed up facts with fictions?

A001:
Is it the existence of homo sapiens, homo erectus, and other species or what in particular?

A001:
The literarure claims Luwabi lived about 140,000 years ago in the homo sapiens era as a reincarnated homo erectus.

Based on the available bodies of (dated) archeological evidence, the homo erectus era spanned around 2 million years (starting from Africa), while the current homo sapiens era started about 280,000 years ago from Africa.

We're currently in the 282,021th year of the homo sapiens era according to some classifications.

Anyone that has truly read the histories of Luwabi in that book will observe an interesting level of depth and consistency in them that make the stories look convincing and profound.

According to the histories, when Luwabi reincarnated as a homo sapiens, he even retained his writing skills as a giant homo erectus (using codes to represent signs on leaves), deep thinking and critical thinking ability, and philosophical skills and started exhibiting these things right from 10 years of age that people around him said he was a prodigy, or a genius, or the return of Ifa.

(In this part of the world and around the world, we heard by oral tales while growing up that the ancients were giants.)

It appears reincarnated people retain some of their skills and abilities/knowledge from their past life.

There's something about the histories in the book that make it look believable. Hence, I consider it very possible that Luwabi might have lived in the ancient past of Yorubaland.

But one may not really know these things for sure, considering the length of time (over 140,000 years ago) and also due to the fact that most of the histories of our forefathers in this part of the world are lost or never recorded/documented.

Then again, those patches of leaves the book said he wrote on wouldn't be able to last for that long, not even 100 years let alone 140,000.

I don't think anyone living today can trace his genealogy back to hundreds, thousands of years in the past (except Otem who says he knows his history right from the Beginning; he posted it on one of his threads and contains his encounters with Olorun, quite interesting with some scientific aspects).

If interested, you may check it here, quite fascinating and with a lot of depth: https://www.nairaland.com/4462945/otem-sapiens-historical-account-saviour

This inability of most living people today to trace their genealogy back to several years in the past shows a majority of the histories of our forefathers are lost or never recorded/documented.

The book narrates Orunmila (being a giant humanoid from the beginning) had reincarnated as a homo sapiens as a reciter of the verses of Ifa (Ifa had reincarnated before him as a homo sapiens) some 100,000 years in the homo sapiens era after Luwabi came back to Earth again the second time — and that there was even a writer with the name Sodeke that lived in this region within 265,000 – 280,000 years of the homo sapiens epoch as a reteller of the stories of Luwabi.

According to the book, there was even a flood era about 195,000 – 230,000 years ago in different parts parts of the world where many histories of people and world events were lost.

So far, there's been no scientific evidence that a flood era had once occurred on Earth but that doesn't mean there was no such era.

Ifaodu verses, for all their greatness and rich ideas and fascinating use of the language, don't contain detailed information about the different human species in history (homo sapiens, homo erectus, and earlier species) mainly because many of our forefathers weren't scientifically inclined and couldn't develop dating technologies like the whites.

For instance, when talking about Sango or Ogun, no information is given whether he's a nephilim, anakim, rephalm, homo erectus, etc. That classification is highly important for scholarly works and critical analyses.

In that aspect, Otem's book of history has done a wonderful job based on my own critique.