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Olu317:
Why bother yourself over what you have no belief in it ? Afterall, you claimed Yoruba migrated from landlock Niger-Benue confluence without any proof.

Infact Ileife oral account and Ifa's stated account assert categorically that part of her history has been lost . And part of people's history is often lost,then what experts do is to see every possible postulations that can connect through oral history which is subjective.

It's through this oral histories that such information got can be used with other primary, aswell as with secondary sources to gain more knowledge about the people's possible place of origin.

Therefore your view is highly watery and not needed in this thread except you have things to share to that effect.Beside, you are an hypocrite because the same you was struggling to understand the original or correct pronunciation of Yorubas. While you dug deep to understand the trilateral root word "YRB."Yet you couldnt solve the meaning original word usage.

Anyway, Èlédùmárè will help you.

Werey
More madness

HarshBitterTrut:
I'm having a hard time understanding your objections. The truth is here.

Truths are not what ifs
You yourself have subliminally exposed how fickle and based on belief not facts all this nonsense is by that statement
And of course, in all this you have no evidence

It’s more akin to madness really

HarshBitterTrut:
Yet what if it's true you would still fall out laughing?

“What if” you say right? Meaning you have no basis for this reason and it is only a self induced belief
If it had any shred of truth you would have provided a wealth of evidence by now

Lmao
All this semitic obsession

It’s just madness

BlackPantherxXx:


Poor animal ...landed in the wrong place.

Bayelsa with just 9 LGAs should be like Dubai (correction - Rivers State not Bayelsa. But still...).

They can have a marine conservatory/ aquarium.

Keep dolphins and manatees there.

Charge NGN 1000 - 1500 per visitor. 2000 during festive periods.

100 visitors daily = 100k. During festive periods 500 visitors = 500k - 1 million.


But our guys.... peppersoup first.

[img]https://c./MR3nv3lytYQAAAAC/ibu-eating.gif[/img]

PS - I was at the Dubai Underwater Zoo in December 2020. I alone spent 50k+ with my babe. Ask around, there are ways they easily bleed you out of your money.

Nigerians wey go either starve the marine creatures in the aquarium or they raid the aquarium for fish to do assorted fish pepper soup
No sense

DubaiLandLord1:
The violence between herdsmen and farmers have really reduce in the South West. Is a work in progress stuff, this issue have been happening for more than 20 years.

Yes it has reduced because we challenged them by not only raising alarm dangerous for northern politicians but we also showed we can defend ourselves and even killed some of those killer herdsmen driving them away
But such should never have happened in the first place
And if you know what’s going on with climate change you would know that we haven’t heard the last of the herders
Yoruba are still waiting for them, because they will surely mobilise again
Especially if another fulani cabal gets into power , they will be better prepared

otosa:
He was talking about the restructuring that they have been begging for since 2005 which he vividly knew that no president will allow that. Even, our own son Tinubu, will never allow that when he get there. But anytime we standup to demand for our right, they will use restructuring to calm us down as we are going to get it in the next day. Everybody just one to cash out

I dont trust anybody still talking about restructuring in 2021
They are deceivers

dasparrow:
The only people begging for unity are those whom Nigeria favors. These traditional rulers get money from the Nigerian government. So yes, why won't they beg for unity.

So called traditional rulers know that they will have to work and be useful because no free money again if Nigeria splits along ethnic lines.

No yoruba oba for example will just be collecting money without doing anything

It’s better for their selfish interests that way

sherlock229:
More.
Awa = ours and us
Mi=mẹ
Iwo =you
Idoti = dirty

None of these are borrowed, they're just coincidence

Right
Keyword “coincidence”
Therefore not cognates

Cognates are words that share a common etymon…not coincidences

samuk:
I completely understand the political angle of why the oba of Benin subscribed to the Benin/Ife story, it makes the oba of Benin the only direct heir to Oduduwa.

All other yoruba thrones can't make the same claim because yoruba traditions claimed that women served as Obas on these thrones at various times and most yoruba thrones are selected from ruling houses, they do not adhere to the strict requirement of father to first son as it is in Benin, so if Oduduwa existed, the Oba of Benin is the only direct heir.

Since millions of yoruba sees Oduduwa as their progenitor, the Oba of Benin with an unbroken line of successions since Oranmiyan is their most authentic representative of Oduduwa bloodline.

When you view Oduduwa story from this political angle, it's not so bad, but we must also know our history.

Benin/Ife connection is mostly political. If Igbo researchers and historians were to research Benin oral history, they will be shocked by their findings. This is why I don't doubt the claims of migrating from Benin by various communities in Igbo land.

The Igbo angle in Benin history is very suppressed in favour of the Benin/yoruba political relationship and yoruba academics were the first to start writing and appropriating Benin history to themselves.

Some people view history from a supremacy perspective rather than looking at the evidence. If there are historic evidence that linked Benin to Ife most of us wouldn't have any issues with it. Like you said, the Obaseki family is a well established Edo family despite their great grandfather coming from the Anioma part of Old Benin empire, there are other similar families in Benin. We don't have any problems with this, but what we will not take or tolerate is lack of evidence to support claims being made.

The old Benin empire was built by talents from all over the place, the Benin administrators were very smart people who always seek and invite talented people into the city to help with empire building. Nigeria controlled by the so call majority tribes is yet to archive what the old Benin empire archived.

Under the old Benin empire, they created a monument that was once adjudged the largest man made structure on earth by the Guinness book of world records, the empire artistic creation is still a marvel of the world and perhaps the largest collection of Africa artefacts in Western museums, only comparable to ancient Egypt.

Nigeria has not made similar impact in the world because tribalism rather than talent and excellence is more important to the major ethnic tribes.

You guys making me laugh seriously

Same benin that up until Ohuan brothers succeeded each other until the youngest brother? And from Ohuan, who died without an heir other branches of the royal family (cousins, nephews etc) produced the king until Ewuakpe??
Is it this benin you are talking about?

Interesting how you didn’t need eye witness historical evidence for Obaseki having Anioma origin
Aint that double standard


The claim that the benin wall was “the world's largest earthworks carried out prior to the mechanical era” is a popular one… but the fact that dismantles this claim is that the 1974 Guinness book of records, which is claimed to be the source of this information never had such a category
I have a digital copy of the 1974 book… neither “wall of benin” is mentioned nor any category like “largest earthworks”

And if any edition of the Guinness records ever had a legitimate entry, it wouldn’t be taken out even in subsequent future editions until the record gets broken

Bini miscreants will believe anything as long as it massages your fragile ethnic ego

gregyboy:
The more you keep forcing the false yoruba/benin relationship, the more the truth becomes more known , tao11 is going out to dig something you all can masturbate on, as always she will come back hopeless and become a mere troller when she runs out of lies, you can't shove lies into our throat and expect us to swallow it, of what benefit is it to we edos if yorubas are attaching their history to us, but it is of outmost benefit to the yorubas attaching their weak history to we benins to solidify theirs, they aren't even aiming like other tribe as a benin sons rather their claiming
Benin father, thieves..... With guns in a broad day light


If we benins attached our history to the Yorubas in early times it was because it was beneficial and mutual now the yoruba are becoming parasitic to our history and we are showing then the road home if they have forgotten...

Oba of benin a, yoruba son my foot, oba of benin have a greater chance of being igbo than Yoruba

Benin only came incontact with ife throughout history after 1920,anything beyond that are mere fairy-tales

Lmao
Comedy central

UGBE634:
whatever your argument is I feel using the word mixed would always pass off your intention wrongly, or maybe you intend to pass it off wrongly maybe it was mixed more with Igbo, then yoruba, Urhobo, Esan and others the rest. my Bini nor mix. if you feel there is a different group large enough called Bini that was/is different from what is called Edo, then he wouldn't be king today(of which there is none as you are trying erroneously to pass)as his title is Omo'N'oba 'Edo. there is no hate anywhere, stop brandishing one to pass off your ugly intentions and to feel good .my children will laugh at you macof for this non-existent classification, heck I can't believe I am the one explaning this. If the Binis don't feel somehow about the Obaseki's who his patriarch migrated just three hundred years ago, is it an Oba According to the Ogieamien that has been with us for eight hundred years. What I am trying to tell you is that there is no group that is repulsive of the Oba of Benin, like you are trying to make us believe now from Ogbomosho whichever the story pans out is a win win for the Edos, either as a migrant even before the 14th hundred, he was already Edo enough, (as he is older than 80 percent of migrant families in Edo) as an indigene, it is also a win win as an indigene. What I am trying to let you know that we are all Edos whether by assimilation or indigene and we don't rate ourselves over another like you are trying to prove. And like I said before you have no proof that those who said or are saying those stuff are not Binis(those with Yoruba link like you are trying to make us believe) since there is no difference between us

And also sincerely I know nothing,I only respond to fact, Ubini will always be better than Ibinu which seem not to be in tandem with the Word Bini, Benin. Like I have said before that it was founded by Edo and Yoruba is not even certain

lmao
All this to deny the facts

As i said before
“And you know very well these facts you only choose to reject them for whatever reason unfortunately your sentiments have no bearing”

I cant be arguing what I know you know

Hintona:
Strong African king's like Jaja, Mansa Musa, Sundiata Kieta.

This is the side of history I want to see. I want to see how strong African king's rebelled against the colonisers. Some history accounts make it seem like Africans immediately and obediently surrendered to the white man.

Strong African kings aren’t limited to those who fought Europeans in the 19th century though…as you rightly made examples of Musa and Sundjata Keita

Others like Shaka Zulu, Sunni Ali, Askia Mohammed, Changamire Dombo etc are very interesting too

samuk:
I am still waiting for them to tell us the yoruba meanings of the names of past obas of Benin below, since they are claiming that oba of Benin is yoruba.

Eweka I
Uwuakhuahen
Henmihen
Ewedo
Oguola
Edoni
Udagbedo
Ohen
Egbeka
Orobiru
Uwaifiokun
Ewuare I
Ezoti
Olua
Ozolua
Esigie
Orhogbua
Ehengbuda
Ohuan
Ohenzae
Akenkpaye
Akengbedo
Ore-Oghene
Ewuakpe
Ozuere
Akenzua I
Eresoyen
Akengbuda
Obanosa
Ogbebo
Osemwende

Samuk im still waiting for you to give us eyewitness accounts that mentioned any of these obas or are you saying they never existed too?
Where are the documents of benin history? Where are the documents telling us about any event in benin?

UGBE634:
1. those inevitable changes are there because of her neighbours and the changes in this sense is holistic.
2.that the Edo majority on ground completely assimilated whatever migrations we received.
3. it is not about your emotions now, it is about what is right
4.it is also for a fact that the migrations we received were holistic, the ones from Anioma were Even more than the ones we received from the yoruboid groups
5. that you should know that whatever yoruboid trait you observe in Bini city is The same in other Edo towns around for it is the mudafucking the same thing( this explanation is making me sound senile because it is not the way we see ourselves save for deranged yorubas,
that whatever migrations she got is inevitable and holistic and is so inconsequential to qualify her as mixed. we got even more from Anioma areas and yet Bini is so different from Yoruba and Igbo. Take for example, Ogbe where the Oba's base is a word we share with the Igbos, (maybe borrowed from them) The Uku in the Oba's title means great-a word we share with the Igbos and maybe even borrowed from them.

The Lavbieze title was created because of the first Igbo Iyase we had in the 16th century from Onicha Olona, we have The Obaseki family of Igbo descendants in Bini.we have several others, though there are other families who greet it too but it was created mainly because of the the Iyase from Onicha Olona

That it was founded on Benin and Yoruba ancestry is debatable, it is not certain at all, The word Ubini is an ancient Edo word for beautiful people

A very simple statement

Bini kingdom is founded on a mix of yoruba and edo presence …. As opposed to Igodomigodo which some descendants still romanticise as being free of “yoruba corruption”
The yoruba presence was an ingredient to its foundation

All this long rants do not change the facts
Two things
1. That some people in the Edo culturally area distance themselves from the Omonoba and romanticise the time before the Obas
2. That history does settle on the conclusion that yoruba presence brought the transition from Igodomigodo to Bini

And you know very well these facts you only choose to reject them for whatever reason unfortunately your sentiments have no bearing

UGBE634:
First of all you can't ascertain where such one come from because there is no difference between someone from the city and the Other Edo towns around, not in language, culture and what have you, we bear the same names and we are the same people, this is what we have been trying to educate you retards. It seems not to be sinking in

Also Bini is not 'mixed' at all, there is no of such who can communicate in Yoruba today save for those at the border areas and are bilinguals. I would like you to explain mixed properly for effective explanation/correction

Bini kingdom is founded on a mix of yoruba and edo presence

Whether you accept it or not doesn’t change that fact that is known by everyone else who cares to know

samuk:
The Ooni is a politically appointed chief priest AKA spiritual leader for few yoruba people who are neither Muslim or Christians. That's all he is. The position didn't exist before 1824.

There are no bases for comparison between the Oba of Benin and the Ooni. It's that simple. One is a political appointee whilst the other is the true king.

Tinubu who is another south West politician has more influence than most, if not all yoruba obas but Tinubu is not an oba, Tinubu will still have to show respect to these obas just the way the Ooni will show respect to the oba of Benin.

Lmao still inaccuracies and still not an answer to the op’s question

gregyboy:
The oba of benin is the first political head a child knows in benin before he knows what is called government

[s]The ooni of ife is a mere chief priest of a populous tribe in Nigeria nothing more [/s]

The oba of benin is a class ahead of other kings in africa

the type of ignorance bini people have is just shocking. Do you people not know what "political influence" means

ahead of the King of Morocco and the King of Eswatini? Two actual sovereigns who are ruling and making policies over actual existing kingdoms not a ceremonial unconstitutional one like Bini?

samuk:
1. Ooni position is a political position which is open to be contested by numerous so called princes and it always goes to the contestant with greatest political godfather or highest bidder.

2. The people don't currently know who will be the next Ooni until the demise of the current one and the position opens up for contestation.

3. Ooni is akin to a political spiritual leader of the yoruba which is selected to mediate between the yoruba people and their gods.

4. The Ooni is nothing more than yoruba politically appointed chief priest.

King's, monarchy are born, not politically appointed by politicians.

Benin monarch can only be compared to the British monarchy.

Benin monarchy, like the British monarchy, the heirs to both thrones are known from birth. Their birth are always announced to the people with pop and pageantry.

Benin monarchy can only be compared to the British monarchy and other similarly established world monarchies.

There are no bases to compare the Oba of Benin to the Ooni, they are not in the same class.

The Oba of Benin is a born king, the Ooni is an appointed political chief priest of his people.

The Ooni and Ife is a Nigeria local affairs whilst Benin and Oba of Benin is a world affairs.

There are over 7000 Benin Bronzes all over museums across the world that daily teach the world the history of Benin.

Millions of people of all races across the world daily lean about the great Benin empire from over 7000 Benin artefacts serving as Benin ambassadors in their various locations across the world.

Just go online and see the world coverage on the return of the Benin Bronzes in just the last one year and tell me any other Africa king with similar world media exposure and coverage.

The Oba of Benin and Ooni are not in the same class, the Oba of Benin is a historically recognised world class king since the 1400s while the Ooni is a yoruba politically created spiritual leader/chief priest since the 1800s.

It's an insult to the Benin throne to compare it to the Ooni or any other throne in Nigeria.

Historically, the Oba of Benin is more than 400 years older than the Ooni who has no mention in any historic book until the 1800s. The eyewitness historical verifiable accounts of Benin and Oba of Benin dates back to the 1400s, mind you the monarchy was already well established before the 1400s, but the 1400s was when eyewitness written accounts began.

No matter the greatness of America, it will always be under Britain historically.

No matter the greatness of yoruba, it will always be under Benin historically. The realisation of this bitter truth is whilst some yoruba have been trying to appropriate Benin history and Oba of Benin as yoruba since the late 1800s.

Within the south West, the verifiable eyewitness history of Benin controlled Lagos is over 200 years older than verifiable eyewitness historical accounts of Ife.

The verifiable eyewitness historical accounts of Benin established warri monarchy is centuries older than that of Ife.

lmao
simple question the op asked.. who has more political influence?. Nothing in this long rant filled with so much inaccuracies addresses "political influence"

Abohboy:
When did she compare him to Odua? She compared him to Orunmila the Orisha of Wisdom and the odu ifa and he came down in human form to teach odu ifa to the people as well as philosophy she's comparing his philosophical teachings to those of Socrates it is a fair comparison

Lol. He clearly saw “orunmila” but his brain switched it to oduduwa
Na wa

Olu317:
[s] Tell me something I do not know, since you know more than I but wetin concern Èlú with Screenshot without information.Ratherposting watery English term "sacred", please do the needful to differentiate between innocence and keep one's body as temple of God

Oh I see, so you are agnostic Lmao. While I am familiar with Hebrew language,christianity and the foundation of monotheistic God which is embedded in Head worship,known as Resh (rish). Rìṣà in Yoruba

Certainly, you do not have knowledge of Christianity because you behave like hate filled muslim. Perhaps go learn sufism. Even when Christianity use emotions to persuade its course, Islam use Jihad evenin modern times except liberal ones .

The ancient Hebrew, Christians as well as the Yorubas Ifaodu practitioners face the East; where World creation begun even scientific acknowledgement of East. This attest to the fact, that in Eji Ogbe in Ifaodu which you do not know nor belonged is absolute in agreement with Hebraic Religion. Ọlọ́jọ day comes to mind.

Let mentioned two things which are found in Ifaodu and Odu where they are found.

1. The earth begun from the EAST(Éjì Ogbè)
2. Thou shall not kill human being( Obara Méjì )

Show one or two stanza/s where law given unto man is found in Ifaodu in as much you claim you do not want to teach me christianity. Afterall teach us Ifaodu or teach me Islam . since you're the encyclopedia of esoteric knowledge in Ifaodu.[/s]

In all this nothing even remotely serves as a response to my comment.

Yet another senseless post from you

enchy:
Some people no just know their left from their right..Lord of Mercy, in my next life make me not to be a black man, it seems as if something is fundamentally wrong with their brain.

Indeed you are the example of what is wrong with the black man.
Self hate before anything

How does this case translate to a reason to bash an entire race of people? Go abroad and find out how men get retraining orders for doing what is considered inappropriate
Mumu

Olu317:
. Body being Temple of the lord is just a figurative expression. As simple as ABC Be holy~Innocence is the keyword.

Then you don’t know christainity , not surprising as you christians don’t even know your theology

Same body that is made in the image of the christian god?
Same body that you need to keep away from unnatural things?? Stay away from make up, jewelry, body art etc
You treat your body as you would treat a sacred object
Sacredness is the keyword not innocence

Im not even interested in teaching you about Christianity, you wouldn’t learn anyway
Most of you only know what you are told by your pastor or immediate community

godofuck231:
no try am o , world wide after oba of Benin , olu of Warri , oni of ife, sultan of sokoto , in terms of wealth it differs but both politically and diabolically don’t fvck with the oba of Benin , if him root one staff from inside that palace the ooni would stand up and leave his seat , there are things that the ancient ooni gave to his returning son , as an assurance of his powers to the ife throne , similar power the oba of Benin at one time gave to his son who left for the beni river to offer sacrifices to olokun only to be told to leave because the palace Chives were after his life , he went on to establish the Warri empire , with the Obas intervention , the tussle for the throne in Warri came to an end , and atuwase III was installed no fvck with Benin empire o , no say person no tell you , bad as you spiritual problems be come Benin kingdom them go spoil am for you , not everything I fit tell you make I no go land for eweka court .

The op asked about political influence this local mn can only think of juju
Most of these juju you are bragging about that yoruba (especially Ife and Ilaje) taught you?

hisexcellency34:
Don't mess with Oba of Benin. All those those abuse Sunday Igboho was abusing Ooni of Ife, if he try it with Oba of Benin, na die ooo

Go to youtube and Facebook and see many edo (igodomigodo not bini who are a mix of yoruba) people abusing oba of benin

It’s commoners who hype these things, the individuals in question don’t see the abuse or care. It is the people who gave a king power and he is only as strong as his subjects

NGpatriot:
This innocent student was gunned down, but no protest, no demonstrations, nothing.

....but the same people are in Lagos shouting their lungs out, demonstrations and destroying Lagos state.

Sometimes I just wonder about these people..

Assuming your government hasn’t restricted your right to protest now i would have advised you to go and protest what you want to believe

Olu317:
Stop confusing yourself , Mr. There are image depicting God of sky in Egypt,India etc. It is based on this that study has shown there is a clarify of carved image which serves as God in many culture.

I monitor you? Lmao. Well, I do not have time for such but I had to correct you because you feed the public with incoherent information. Horus has a figur ,so also do Ra before they were merged together at a point in history.

Seriously, you need learn the difference between graven image carved to mean God and deifed carved image such as the black Jesus and his mother.

In all of these that there are images that became a form of worship carved to represent creator from some culture theological angle ,which is different from the account of a legend,whom became deified and thus become a channel to divine contact who are referred as prophets.


Lastly, Common sense is never common because it is rare gift. So learn to be humble without usage of violent word or aggressive vulgar words since millions of people know more than you and you can tap from other resourceful intellectuals.

another senseless comment.
your obsession with me will only drain you.
please shift

MaxInDHouse:
The God of Abraham abhors the use of images in worship of him, that's all!

but he does not abhor the use of ark of covenant or mount zion or is it mount horeb, Abraham's people sure love mountains a lot ....reminds me of some studies in yahwehism that revealed Yahweh started out as a God of the mountains in canaanite spirituality

But let me not derail, the issue is there is a difference between "usage" and "worship". How is someone an idol worshipper when they don't worship idols. This is problem with english comprehension.
It's like saying if i use pot to cook, it is the pot itself i am cooking.

MaxInDHouse:
Catholics are not worshiping the God of Abraham because that God abhors the usage of images in His worship! Exodus 20:4

So you people need to know who are those practicing what the book says not just people claiming worshipers of the God of Abraham!

you people need to learn the difference between “using Idols” and “worshipping idols”
At this point it is no longer a conflict of theology but conflict of English proficiency.

Btw. As long as you have “holy” objects ,or holy persons like your daddy GO you are just like those you call idol worshipers . You would have to tear down the altar in your church or wherever you worship and burn any cross in your home or church. You would have to stop treating your church as “house of God” reserved for religious purposes, stop treating your body as “temple of the lord”, you would have to start seeing your holy book as just pieces of paper.

When you are done what would be left wouldn’t even be able to be called a religion again.
Religions need sacred objects, spaces and sometimes even persons

Even the jews had the ark of covenant, mount zion, mount this mount that, jewish priests had their Ephod cloth and jewish faithfuls had their incense

Olu317:
Kaarè . So there are no idol worshippers in this world ?How come people created graven image for God of creation or Almighty God ? If you do not know much on this things then, make no such linear statement.

What’s this one saying Which graven image of which God of creation
Are you following me around?. What kind of useless joblessness makes a person monitor threads i post in and at the end comment something senseless

Kobojunkiee:
What excuse do you see there?

Paul's opinion is not my religion. I simply corrected your assumption of his view is all. If you open to the writings, paying close attention to context of course, you would realize Paul in no way called on persons to see themselves as conduits or idols.
Again, And again,

typical dull abrahamic.
you cannot get it, your intellect is not there, so run along

Kobojunkiee:
um .... to submit is to bow or give attention to, or what you may call worship.

And yes, idol worshippers typically bow down or reference their gods through the giving of attention through the representative objects.

As for Paul's statement suggesting the body as the temple of God, I don't believe Paul meant for the body to be worshipped or revered but instead he meant that as a call to believers to rid themselves of sin in order to be worthy servants of God - the body is not a conduit in any way or form.

lol when it comes to his religion he makes excuses.
it is either no religion is idol worship, or all religions are idol worship take one. I have helped you understand enough, it is left for you to continue in your typical abrahamic ignorance and disdain for others or grow up