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Olu317:
[s] Whydah,Ouidah is not Judah in Abomey Kingdom. Far from it

The place was a place where the ealier settlers known as Yoruba discovered snake and it was corrupted from oodéayé to Ouida.

A time came when the earlier settlers were driven from there by the later settlement whom were fongbe group. The Abomey groups.

Out of mischievous act do the Europeans thought the place was named Judah which is a tracking name for ancient Hebrew .

Meanwhile, the name of Judah is wrongly spelt because the first alphabet "J" is actually "Y" which falls within "y" and "ee" sound in English language after transliteration.

The Aguda has Pre Brazilian connection with Yorubas, though cognate may either be true or false. There are names borne by Yorubas before contact with newer groups,inwhich some names goes extinct except through invocation or panegyrics[/s].

Nobody said anything about Hebrew Judah
You see "The French called it Juda" and the next thing is to bring up the kingdom of Judah

absoluteSuccess:
[s]https://www.nairaland.com/6771353/pastor-shaibu-butchered-death-muslim

Check front page, mallam. That's revenge you possibly seeks on the "Abrahamic attack" as you love to put it.

Nobody speaks in that hateful language here but you. Their reason is similar to your comment on the Yoruba Hebrew tribe thread.

You don't negotiate with wild animals in the jungle, you will be killed is you will be killed.[/s]

More manifestation of schizophrenia

Think4Myself:
Wrong, oba of Lagos is a Bini man

Lol.
Oba of Lagos is descended from Ologun Kutere, who's father was from Ìjẹ̀ṣà and mother was the Princess Erelu.
Erelu's father was Ado, her mother from ibefun
Ado's father Ashipa, an awori from Iṣẹri.. It was his mother who was a Benin princess.

Following this genealogy, I don't know how the obas of Lagos of the Ologun Kutere Dynasty are Bini o

absoluteSuccess:
[s]
You are a mental case and a manipulative psychopath. At page 82 or so, you ran away from the point you couldn't realize "ro" is an ambiguity. I introduced a weasel word that confused and smoke you out.

Your point then was, you will return to this thread after I have realized that ro in "eba yi ro" is different from ro in "ojo n ro". You are a master Craftsman, but your flaw is open to all.



Bro, advice yourself first, learn to be this person you want me to be and let me learn from you, talk is cheap.

Practice what you preach.



Union leader, you are a killer.

I'm fighting for my life from a well orchestrated plan by you and your henchmen. Your only defense is that I'm schizophrenic, let's assume I am, does my mental health gave you private information about the school I attended and the course I studied at school?

Does my mental health revealed where I lived to you and so much that you can get me if you want, thanks to the information I gave about myself while trying to market myself? This is not your life on the line, it's mine. I'm here because I refused to take all your baits.

I believe the core reason you want to eliminate me is that I have "mental" for that's always been your response to me anytime you are called out. You are all psychopaths working as a team. Can two walk together unless they agree?

Touching the issue raised, I don't have to satisfy you, I don't want to satisfy you, you are a high need psychopath working with team of henchmen, using different individuals to reach out to your victims and hack them down.

Whatever you all agree upon, put it here. Let people learn and let the spirit of learning continues, that I don't have the power to stop. You don't have power over such even as a union.

Just in case, if you have any authority, power of attorney, patent right to any of the areas of my interest and digressions on this site, kindly flag my post and flash your authorization, then I will stop my activities and conclude.

Diacritic is more important than the allegations against my life to them, so it must be protected.

Awon osikaparapo.

Bye.[/s]

as I said... schizophrenic

absoluteSuccess:
If it gives you peace and joy that I don't know what diacritics are as a Yoruba man writing Yoruba from childhood, please, enjoy the moment. As long as you know better, the world is saved.

Your friends have right to request for diacritics because it's the Apex phenomenon in Yoruba history, I don't have the right to ask them for eleyoro because it doesn't "correct" my friend enough.



Point of correction though, it's not the fault of a reader when a writer make mistake on his spellings, let him correct himself, if that is done, nobody needs to weep and morn over this.

But, what kind of hordes of people mock the sensibilities of a writer who can communicate his intentions effectively for diacritics?

It can only be hordes who has nothing of substance to hold on to to appease their "sense of entitlement" that's greater than doing the job at hand.

With nothing to offer their audience for the attention they thought they deserve, anything that can hurt the ego of the researcher would be their focus, being an alternative way of claiming "professional".

That's not doing the job but hurting anyone you don't like. Indeed, you can't give what you don't have and when the desirable is not available, the available becomes desirable.



There's no need for your campaign of calumny, here's a man that is well exposed and thorough in his research and numbers of books and materials at his disposal on the subject, well attested by his contributions.

If diacritics is the most important thing you are looking for in Yoruba history, leave Olu alone, get the contributions of macof and Tao11 and you will be glad you had what you want. If you don't like his formatting, format for him.



These are not the phenomenon I seek in Yoruba language and history, they are your kind of phenomenon, they are very good and worth the effort sir, but people's choices differs.

You go for what is "deep" for you and these are such. I can't make choices for you. There are different topics under just one subject, we move.

You would have said all this as your first response if you were indeed a sincere person and mean anything here.
After how many days you have lost all defense and now resort to "what kind of person makes a big deal about diacritics" rhetoric
FYI diacritics are of huge importance.
Now that you and Olu have learnt a few correct diacritics, learn that too.

If I were you what I would have taken as the greater lesson is one of character development.. to be patient to learn, if your only response to correction or scrutiny of your claims is self shame (hurt ego as you call it) and annoyance at others, you can't learn.

But I don't think you can ever learn. Any disagreement is met with "you are the enemy" "you are a killer"
Giving schizophrenic Vibes

Olu317:
I have but you havent
ọ̀rọ(conversation,word)

Lmao
Olu go and change your dictionary. Even many who can speak only a little yoruba, know that it is pronounced "ọ̀rọ̀"

So it means before you type anything in yoruba, you first go to that dictionary where you look up the word and type it here?

Olu317:
It is

ọ̀rọ = word
rẹ= your,thy
dàbí= seems "like"/ looks "like"
ẹni -individual/someone/who
ti= to have
kò =not
fẹ́-be willing to obey
jẹ́wọ́= to confess
ọ̀bun=dirt~filth
rẹ= your

Meanwhile
Your own ọ̀rọ̀ is not correct. Rather it is ọ̀rọ.

Before I let you run away. Have you read history of Ondo ekimogun? If not, then I will send you the link and see what is another word for father in Yoruba language which is also ancient word among Yorubas.

Lmao wetin concern Ondo and the word for father with the matter on ground?
Be calming down and stop running about

rhektor:
Rẹ and rẹ̀ are both correct as pronoun in the Yorùbá writing

It depends on if it to mean you or him
Rẹ = you
Rẹ̀ = him/her/it

Stop trying so much to make it look like you've not made any mistakes on the use of diacritics, Olu, you don't know how to apply diacritics at all, remember I have called you out on this before?

Actually what I wrote was
"ọ̀rọ̀ rẹ dàbí ẹni tí kò fẹ́ jẹ́wọ́ ọ̀bùn rẹ̀" = your case is like someone who doesn't want to confess his filth
In correction to what he wrote which was wrong in many places.

The problem is that Olu doesn't understand the difference between "rẹ" and "rẹ̀" so he writes them both the same way

samuk:
The same way you guys said East match the description of West

You guys are more than comedians, you are trying your hands on magic by trying to convert East to West. Anybody that can claim a location East is now West are capable of any lies and shouldn't be taken seriously.

Case closed then
We all know what the answer to my question is

samuk:
The eyewitness account didn't say the crown was of Yoruba origin. If you are not slow, you would have noticed that TAO11 is the one that concluded that the crown was of Yoruba origin. Guy you are not very smart, I must admit.

An Itsekiri prince was taken through hell that he eventually shed tears during his coronation just because he was unfortunate to have been born by a Yoruba woman, yet you guys are shamelessly claiming Itsekiri monarchy. Do you guys even know the meaning of shame.

The Itsekiri royalty was so protective of their heritage that they enacted a law banning any prince whose mother is not Itsekiri or of Edo origin from becoming an Olu, the current Olu almost lost the throne because his mother is Yoruba, yet you guys are still claiming Itsekiri monarchy as Yoruba.

Does this match the description or not?

www.nairaland.com/attachments/14263895_3a9b4cf8dca942e5a0762f5c302a0601_jpeg_jpegdb4fa1f0bb8140b17bd29663de4838c6

namedo:
Lies from hell.

Oduduwa was the estranged son of an Oba in Bini Kingdom.

What's the difference between your lie and the one you are calling lie

samuk:
This is despite the fact that the new Olu told your Ooni and the entire world the history of the Warri crown in his widely televised coronation speech. According to the new Olu, the Warri monarchy have used three crowns since inception.

1. The first was brought from Benin by Ginuwa, a Benin prince who is the ancestors of Warri monarchs

2. Silver crown imported from Portugal around the 1700s, this was the one that was stolen recently.

3. The current golden crown used in this year's coronation after the silver crown was stolen.

There is no reference to Yoruba crown in the history of Warri crowns as narrated by the new Olu.

If you guys can lie about what was recently narrated by the new Olu in just few weeks back, I only pity anyone that believe your stories.

The coronation speech is all over the internet, go and watch and listen to it on YouTube and stop making fool of yourselves on Nairaland.

Rather it's me that feels your pains, you guys tried claiming Benin, the Oba deny being Yoruba, you tried claiming Itsekiri, the Olu denied being Yoruba, insisting his ancestors are Benin, Oba of Lagos claims Benin ancestry.

What is left for you guys?

Maybe it's time, you start telling us about Ijebu, Oyo, Ekiti and other Yoruba clans history instead of trying to steal what are not yours, stop claiming other people's greatness and tell us about your own history devoid of old Benin empire.

Don't Yoruba have history devoid of Benin? Don't be ashamed, there are those here that enjoy fairytales which Yoruba history are mostly about.

Below is an eye witness account as shared by your Lord and Master Tao
Shey you are always asking for EuRoPeaN EyewiTnEss aCcoUnt

TAO11:
Lieutenant John King, R.N. who visited the Benin area sometimes between 1815 and 1820 has the following to say about the actual crown (i.e. the primary/initial crown) of the Itsekiri nation:

“At Warri "the actual crown of the sovereign is a sort of large cap in the shape of a cone three feet high, covered with coral beads and with a couple of birds' heads on top" (King).”.

~ John King, c.1817, cited in H. L. Roth, Great Benin: Its Customs, Arts, and Horrors, (1903), p.27, note 1.

This description of the primary Itsekiri crown (from J. King’s eyewitness observation) matches nothing else but the signature Yoruba crowns popularly known as: Adé-Ńlá which is said by the Yoruba kingdoms holding them to be the actual crown (design) with which the Ife princes originally left Ife to establish their own respective kingdom.

These Ade-Nla crowns are usually adorned only once during sacred installation rites by the kingdoms who hold such jewels. An example of what Ade-Nla crowns look like is as attached below.


The logical implication of the foregoing information is that this primary (or “actual”) crown of the Itsekiris is the actual crown (among his royal share) with which Ginuwa left the Benin palace in the mid/late-1400.

It then follows logically that the Benin palace itself is a Yoruba place (in a foreign land) as have been noted by the early received Benin traditions as well as the Yoruba traditions which notes that Ade-Nla was given to the princes from IFE as a part of their royal gifts.

This explains, more clearly, why his (Ginuwa’s) group was accepted by the autochthonous group of the land without any resistance — i.e. an Ade-Nla crown which established his legitimacy as a “son” of Oodua.

History proves itself again for the umpteenth time.

Cc: lx3as

Send your grievances to the proper chanel

Olu317:
[s] Lmao ?Jubilating o'er false information. If indeed Yorubas were pure Africans,then where did all the dna differential comes from ? Ignorance is not an accuse but self denial is your problem.

Kindly post where Yoruba actually came from in Africa!

Are you even aware Ìṣàkọ̀lẹ̀ is paid to Ọ̀ràmfẹ̀ lineage?

Can you explain why Ìṣàkọ̀lẹ̀ is paid to Ọ̀ràmfẹ̀ lineage ?

Define Ọ̀ràmfẹ̀ group's relationship with other groups alongside odùà group in Iléifẹ̀

What about the genetic connection of Yorubas which shows far away morroco ancient fossil human links and Near East? You're a funny man because you lacked the pedigree to comprehend these things

No wonder you sped like a lightening when I posted dna analysis as compared with thepeople'sdnafoundin ancient Israel even Ibos can not stand it! .
Meanwhile, the connection with Ibos were purely inter -marriages and assimilation touches.

Note: If you need dna link to show ibos are not same as Yorubas based on deeper gene analysis , then consult me.[/s]

Olu you also need to seek mental health assistance.

All these Rants lacking in comprehensive consistency is just too much. What concerns isakole or oramfe with that post you quoted?
Stop mentioning me in your crazy posts

TAO11:
This one is here still fighting his inner demons.

I thought you had something new to say. I was very disappointed to find that it’s your usual self-consoling crap over which I have repeatedly humiliated you.

Facts beat Rants any day my dear.

You can feel his pains in the realisation that the warri kingdom once used a Yoruba crown

valentineuwakwe:
Source: https://dailypost.ng/2021/09/22/2023-northern-elders-give-condition-for-southerner-to-become-next-president/

You people introduce ethnic president.
We will introduce regional president

Igboid:
Nah.
What you tried to do was claim Igbo feat for your Isoko people or atleast try to water it down by attaching your Isoko people to it.
It's an evil thing to do.

The Isokos were never known for metallurgy in history, not at home, not abroad.

So how exactly could you link this article to Isoko, even when it was made obvious to you that the Yorubas referred to anyone East of Ondo who is not Edo as Isobo?
Are Igbos not East of Edo?

What you did wasn't cool. I'm sick of Nigerians always trying to diminish Igbo feats.

To be fair I think the Nigerian unhealthy ethnic conflict of interests got to you there. His explanation seems legit, I don't think he meant it the way you are taking it
Lets not spoil the nice thread

All this run around just to prevent telling your friend he was wrong and needs to learn how to write Yoruba lol

absoluteSuccess:
[s]
Olu, you are a prodigy.

You are factual and accurate thinker and a research fellow. Your keen doggedness is good for a rediscovery of certain fact that I have not known to exist.

We all have accent. Like you like to say, there's something reflexive in the way we speak Yoruba and the way we write Yoruba. Let's say I want to call myself, "omo Olofin Ajaye",

I won't possibly say I'm omo Olofin a jà yè, but omo "Olofin àjayè". If I've said it the way I ought to say it, that's the correct way. But it's not the correct accent to say it.

The verb form is "ìjàyè", but the noun form is of a different pronunciation and different orientation, a ja ye means, "regaining life by breaking free from entanglement".

Like macof would say, you can't get the meaning of a Yoruba word without interpreting it according to diacritic, great, whose example did he cite?

(A). He suggested an example.
(B). He latched on Olu's entry.

Please, a historian that rarely lead with an entry of his own, and capitalize on the entry of the others making their own findings and being magnanimous to share, is that a pear brain sort of thing to do?

A historian that leaves great possiblities in the language of his interest and enforce strict compliance with diacritics instead of interesting things in Lexis and structure, is that one a true linguistics or an historian?

A historian whose portfolio is the hunting for the error of others is no historian but an error merchant. His relevance is that you are wrong, when you are no longer around, he's served his use.

That's not an historian but a troll. He rarely quote Yoruba proverbs because he has none. He's partially true when he said right after my name bla bla bla, this is how:

Rotimi Amechi: Yoruba Igbo by identity.
Ekundayo Faceless: Yoruba English by identity.

It's only in a wasteland that every professor of the minuscule irrelevants brag about their clout. Lest I forget, the only thing Yoruba about Amaechi is the name, which is his identity, he may not even speak the language.[/s]

I hope you don't develop high blood pressure with your mental illness because of macof on nairaland

F117nighthawk:
That is why I said we have alternatives,my village is equally there any day any time, u na only your ORO degraded environment u can only lay claim to, and u will soon be Chased away when u sell your birth rightquote author=macof post=106070348]
Carry the investment to your village. Why running away from your home? Oponu

oya go back to your wretched village already

F117nighthawk:
You see the change people like me are bringing to your primitive ORO degraded land, tell me how many investment your ORO generation have in your ikorodu apart from thuggery, cultism and area boy syndrome, thank God people like me have alternatives,by the time we buy all the land in ikorodu u will find yourself relocating to EPE AREA, area boy like u

Carry the investment to your village. Why running away from your home? Oponu

F117nighthawk:
So civilization dey your ikorodu and u still dey do ORO, dey carry juju up and down, u be ode oponu ni e, who are the people developing ikorodu and taking it out of civilization, it's people like me who came here bought land and develop, your ORO habitat, no be mud old wrecked houses una dey use for una ORO, jobless area boy like u, if u get work u go fashi your stupid ORO quote author=macof post=106066359]

Go and enjoy your village then and leave ikorodu. Why so pained? . What do you know about civilization? You can't even define civilization
Wretched buffoon running away from his wretched village

You came to develop ikorodu and bring civilisation to us in yorubaland while your land is underdeveloped
No be mumu be that?

Oro or no Oro shebi you rather be in Ikorodu than your wretched village?

F117nighthawk:
If u know where I am from and my village u will know your ikorodu is still a jungle when it comes to civilization, no wonder u still practice ORO in this primitive town, u know the entire Lagos Island used to have this ORO festival too years back,do u still see them practicing ORO now that civilization set in?,the 4th mainland bridge will surely eradicate your fetish primitive tradition quote author=macof post=106064994]

I can see you are so deprived that you post and share your own post immediately

which light is your own village and family seeing?
Bare that in mind every time you think of Oro in Ikorodu
You go tire

Go and enjoy your village then and leave ikorodu. Why so pained? . What do you know about civilization? You can't even define civilization
Wretched buffoon running away from his wretched village

F117nighthawk:
Your question is as stupid and dumb as your meaningless and primitive ORO useless festival

I can see you are so deprived that you post and share your own post immediately

which light is your own village and family seeing?
Bare that in mind every time you think of Oro in Ikorodu
You go tire

Lol

Northerners and their comedy

Lets even imagine this stats were real, because it isn't in itself unbelievable, are you saying because livestock tax was collected most in the North therefore the North had an overall higher contribution to the economy? ?
Other regions didn't have coal, cocoa, palm oil etc

That's how northerners also like to hype groundnut pyramids saying groundnut money fed the country

F117nighthawk:
SO your stupid primitive senseless ORO even restricted men's moving around too abi? U see how confused and brainless you are, anyway, let them construct the 4th mainland bridge along igbogbo baiyeku road and I will see if u and your stupid worshippers will still be allow to do this nonsense, u all will end up in your igbo ORO at Adamo area

Buffoon I asked you a question

which light is your own village and family seeing?

Newton85:
Dude, go and sleep. You're not more Yoruba than me or support traditional rights more than me, even though I'm an atheist. How so dumb to compare protests that you'll need government permit to hold to a tradition rite that confines you to your room even when you're not a practitioner of such tradition. Or don't people still move around during protests? Such a very dumb comparison.

In that case.. Yes that is exactly what I am saying. I am more Yoruba than you.
If you don't know the significance of oro and cannot respect or tolerate it then you have failed as a Yoruba
You are even ignorant of how protests are in Europe.

F117nighthawk:
Oponu Omo ode, that's why u will forever remain backward in your entire life, ORO in this 21st century, no wonder your generation will never see the light, so u are one of the boys carrying cain and extorting money from innocent citizens abi, if you know your ORO is life sustaining for you, why go out and beg for money from innocent people going about their daily bread

which light is your own village and family seeing?
If you stay in your house nobody will fine you.. It is not extortion but fine

Newton85:
It is a valid point bro. No religious rites should have the right to impede my own right to move at any fucking time.

go to Europe and tell them not to block all the roads during protest (that happens just about every month)
You don't yet know your problems

Pearlyakin:
There's a proverb that says don't compare ajigbonoku with the Elephant, I can't really remember.. My little contribution.

Maybe it is you can compare ajigbọnaku to the elephant?
Because that's sort of the idea, Ajigbọnaku is very strong. So the comparison is a compliment

Transcriber:
abohboy mention well next time though

I just saw this on this auxiliary account

Aji gba ònà kú literally means wake to die
I don't really know much though
let me call my elders

macof

Maybe he means Ajigbọnaku - Beetle
I would think it is "Ají gbọ iná kú" - One that is eagerly favorable to fire
Beetles are attracted to forest fires, so it could be based on that

Newton85:
Oro should be practised in such a way that it doesn't infringe on other people's movement bro. Even though I'm an atheist, I'll always favour our traditionalists over Christianity and Islam, because they're non-violent and don't force their creed down your throat like Christians and Muslims. Someone who is between life and death around 1am, and who needs urgent medical attention will be prevented from getting to the hospital because of Oro. I'm all for traditionalists to freely practise their religion in the face of the overbearing intolerance from Christians and Muslims, but curtailing the movement of others because of your religious rites will never sit down well with me.

Familiarise yourself with the traditions of the people whose land you are living on.
If you are familiar with the land you would know how to get around the curfew in time of emergency. They are human beings not monsters
So this is still not a valid point

ikorodureporta:
The same people thàt cry of underdevelopment & joblessness will come online to post nonsense..with yr achaic thought pattern

How many "sensible" people will come & set up their industry in Ikorodu under this condition?

Come to this area I'm talking about..& see the condition of the major roads, Baiyeku & Offin,

If it is oro they want, they shl observe it at night

Ok, imagine somebody traveling to Ikorodu without being told, only to hear
at Ikorodu garage that he/ she can't go to inner Ikorodu because of the nonsense..many times Iiv come across such people at the park.
Some women even take the risk to hide in the vehicles

Worry about yourself not about people who you don't know.

I wonder who is expecting to carry out industrial activities before 4am. Especially when it's not as if Oro happens every week.

You don't have a valid point. You are merely a selfish disrespectful non-native expecting natives to live by your own will. Go back to your village and teach them all these things about development you are talking about.

Nkemdilim2014:
With their dumbass ORO, the whole ikorodu is still GROSSLY UNDERDEVELOPED!!! THEY SHOULD ABOLISH THAT SHIT. BACKWARD PEOPLE

Yet your brothers prefer to live in backward ikorodu than your useless village abi?