That means Fabunmi Oke imesi was ijesha not ekiti?
you know at that time, the Ekiti parapo and pelupelu determined who is Ekiti, and okemesi is one of the 16 Ekiti kingdoms But before this period, they were more of Ijesa and I believe dialectically remain more of Ijesa
absoluteSuccess: Very good of the Police Force, half bread is better than none, if not for the police, most criminal fraternity on this site would have gone far with their crimes. I am a living witness and victim of cyber bullying and brazen and notorious stalking by a group led by one macof who has in his possession my contact details and where I stayed through the people he organised to track me for whats not.
Till date, he's still planting phantom 'customers' into my contact just to keep in constant contact. In fact I abandoned the line of business for years and as soon as his agents got wind of my return to my business, they swing to action. Anyways, the details of the modus operandi of these clique is with the Lagos Police command. They are a very creative criminal group, I can only thank God for guidance.
This godforsaken lunatic still hasn't made any progress at healing You don't have family that can take care of you or what
You mean Ibadan manufactured historians that are not taken seriously outside Nigeria. Yoruba can not write their history without mentioning Benin.
Most of Yoruba verifiable eyewitness historical accounts began in 1824.
I am still waiting for the evidence I challenged you to provide in support of your claim.
Anybody can write anything in a fit to throw tantrum Doesn't change the facts which all historians all over the world know
Very stupidd of anyone to say Benin dynasty is of Nupe-Igala origin just so to deny its Ife origin Na so madness dey start. What evidence exists to even mildly justify such Nupe origin
As a big culture enthusiats I have given myself to study the history of the african people.
And one of the cultures that fascinates me is that of Ancient Benin.
The great Civilization of the Benin people has been known to some to have attained the Empire status at some point in time and later declined to just a kingdom.
Others disagree that the Benin Empire was never an Empire at all, but just a large kingdom with influence over small villiages.
And a different school of thought butress the idea that BENIN was more of a city state that only influenced their neighbours because of its unique culture.
Personally i am of the opinion that the benin people where actually the inhabitants of a kingdom that became an empire,
Because by the very definition of an empire, the Oba of benin had control over many other territories aside his major base which was in Edo. He extended both political,social and military control over regions far away from his own people. Places under the direct subjugation of benin where part of his empire.
But places with independent rulership who only shared similar values with the benin heritage where influenced by Benin not as a kingdom but as an iconic city state.
Let me know your opinion below, we are all learning there should be no need for abuse and insults
Anyways if you want to find out more about the Benin King who took benin from a small kingdom to an empire
Click the link below to watch the video on the life and rise of Oba Ewaure the Great of benin To get an idea of what we are saying
Referring to Benin as a one time empire is correct, the problem arises when people don't have respect for timeline consistencies and speak as if the polity was always an empire. Benin started off as a distant offshoot of Ife benefiting from Ife's trade network and commercial monopoly which saw that polity rise to primacy in the first place. Until the mid 15th century, of all the cities with links to Ife, Benin was the first to maintain a steady growth (Owu would have been, but couldn't due to rivalry with Oyo during Sango's reign and Ife's still existing power under Ọbalufọn, but also constant Nupe raids) By the 1550s-1600s Benin was at its peak, Oba Ehengbuda was the last great expansionist King Benin had. By the 1690s a long civil war that lasted decades broke out between the supporters of Oba Ozuere and those of Oba Akenzua. Benin city itself was destroyed and later rebuilt but never able to fully recover it's early 1600s power. It's hold on some formerly answerable kingdoms became mostly relegated to legitimacy rather than actual authority, which Benin itself maintained with Ife.
Ghostagain: Nigerians are mostly illustrates in the field of history. You guys lack the basis.
1. What is an empire ? Answer: an empire is a kingdom, the name comes from the romans. Indeed Cesar made himself king but since kingship was not popular, he created the title emperor for himself. So he was emperor, not king, while in reality it was the same thing.
"Empire" has often been used for different purposes, it could be to describe a large kingdom or to describe a union of several previously independent kingdoms into one kingdom with the true king using the title emperor while the former kings and new dukes keep the title "king".
To conclude with, empire is a word with many meanings, but in each meaning you have a kingdom of which you are either emphasizing the size, the power, or the way the kingdom was created.
Caesar made himself King, created the title emperor for himself What's this butchering of Roman history?? And you are running your mouth about Nigerians not knowing history Why not just shut up and leave history talking since you don't know history
Point of correction: Isese is not "very harsh", harsh people are in every human society, the purpose of Yoruba traditional practice is "kilu le tuba, kotu se", how do you do harsh to have a peaceful society (kilu tuba) that is the projection of Yoruba tradition? But wicked cultists will always promote their trade under the guise of "Isese". Yoruba religion is "esin abalaye", not "isese".
Talo te o nifa? Igba wo lo wo 'gbodu? There's no igba in ifa, its opon, ifa and apo ifa, and then akapo. Tou will find igba with Osun sengese,awede koto wemo. Ma gbo'mo Oba f'Osun pelu Yoruba egbe legbe ede Oyinbo professor.
You can't speak Yoruba and an "unknown Yoruba dialect" in the same sentence made up of simple clause: nibo lo gba ikin e. Is that a "Yoruba-broken" or something? Rather if you will close with Yoruba proper, it should be "nibo lo ti..."
Mind you, I wont respond to your bitter quote, I can't go through your "ojo n ro" kind of argument afresh. Hope to hear from your agents.
Why would you think I would read all this madness?
We are not west African now? 😂😂😂😂. Just stop posting please. It’s embarrassing. Please tell me what the root of awori is? Is it not ife? Which is Osun state not Israel. I’m not the one obsessing over Jews. You clearly feel inferior to them. Jews are middle easterners not Africans or Europeans
You are talking with a mad man An actual mad man that bites people on the streets
Shattuck: neither the aworis nor the binis can lay claim to the entire Lagos, the aworis had their territory in Lagos the binis also had their territory, Lagos is a state just like osun, just like you have the Ooni of ife who governs the ife territory of osun state, there are also other traditional rulers in the same osun, you can't come today and claim the ancestors of the Ooni founded osun state they only founded ife, same can be said about Lagos and how you guys always try to make it look like the aworis controlled the entire Lagos, the binis also had their territory, which means the oba isn't wrong.
The Binis have their territory? Which territory? Bini don't have territory in ondo state it's far away Lagos state they have territory? Which lagosian is a Bini man? Go ahead name just one
This thing is just annoying and funny at the same time.
I have known you are a mad man since you started opening threads to speak on yoruba language and history that you do poorly in.
I always knew only a mad Yoruba person would think yorubas are Hebrew. Unfortunately your madness has graduated, you didn't listen to my advice then to seek help, you won't listen now. Anyway enjoy your life with your predicament but get my moniker out of your stupidd posts I will enter nairaland see many mentions thinking interesting conversations may arise only to see it's asinwin that posted. Abeg abeg you don't have people who care for you at home? They can't take your phone away and put you on medications or what?
I have asked you to clarify how you got my details, shame on you, Widowmaker, Timothy Ogundele, Ayo Aremu, etc, which is your name?
I'm sick but you boast of having all my details, are you my doctor also? You are one of the most horrible people I came across online.
A very brilliant liar from whom nothing charitable ever proceed to another, signs of the evil that's trending on mohbads death.
Stop using that stupid repetitions of yours and own up to your evil. For solid 12 years you are following me about, who is sick here?
You are simply just not alright in the head, you come on nairaland broadcasting yourself and all your failed businesses and you are asking how I got your details. You've been mentioning me in your posts, most of which I just ignore without reading for over a year now, as I know it's always nonsense and you're saying I'm following you about. God forbid
Now you have started using this mohbad issue to intensify your false accusations
You better stay off your phone and the Internet and learn how to enjoy fresh air and take walks, cus you're not okay
Olasyke: someone should summarize this epistle abeg
Guy opened several threads since 2013 claiming Yoruba are Hebrew, I debunked them, he ran out of things to say and his brain knocked. The small madness that led him to the hebew nonsense became full blown for over a year now.. That's what you're seeing on display
absoluteSuccess: I got to know I was dealing with an enemy when a guy called macof on this site declared he has all the information about me and can easily locate me.
When someone who hates you with passion says he can easily locate you, just put your house in order. You are already dealing with a psychopath whose capacity for evil is not yet known to you. And that's to be forewarned.
Very awkward moment of self searching and reappraisal of my contacts began. And not quite long, a customer on Jeep visited my shop, and made a pass at my wife, I know I'm at the very verge of death and it just seems all my fears were well founded.
Thank God my wife shared that sensitive information with me, it's the curiosity I felt with that experience that really awake me to the risk of my business being infiltrated by enemies acting as customers and friends.
I've threads about the experience. The fellow is hardened and persistent. Be careful who you engage with as friend and be very careful who you engage with as an enemy. Either can set you up and it might be too late to escape.
His data collection is limited. Written aspect of Benin history is more than 600 years... 1440s to date. His so called data collection is limited to the 1900s to date, what happened to previous 500 years of Benin history. Even his limited data collection is selective, he refused to fully disclosed the traditions he collected from the Oba palace. The Oba palace narrative says that Oduduwa was a Benin prince, I don't think this is what he is saying here.
Benin history didn't start in 1939, Benin history is not 100 years old, anybody trying to limit Benin history to the 1930s is doing a great disservice to the Benin people, we will not allow people with ulterior motives to undermine our illustrious history.
We don't want some mischievous people 50 years from now quoting 2023 as the beginning of Benin history.
Any of the descendants of the various tribes currently living in Benin can write whatever they like today and someone will be quoting it in 50 years time as if Benin history started in 2023 and future macof will be clapping for them as being intelligent.
The simple reason TAO11 left Benin history alone is because I challenged her to provide evidence of Benin/Ife connection earlier than 1824 and she couldn't. TAO11 was at her best when we allowed her to quote from the historical fairytales years of 1897 to date, but she fizzled out when the debate was expanded beyond the fairytales years and pushed back to just before the last independent Oba of Benin was deposed in 1897.
Today, TAO11 read debates about Benin history quietly.
Even the written accounts from the 15th century up till the early 20th century, you don't accept when it doesn't meet your desires Tao has provided you sufficient evidence, you simply don't accept it. It's not like you can be forced to call a spade a spade. Do you, you're only making yourself out to be a clown.
Same way you are accusing those Benin families of making things up now, is the same way the oba Palace has started making up Oduduwa is a Bini Prince. Older accounts do not show any connection of oduduwa or the oba's lineage to the soil of Bini, rather the accounts always point outside Benin Who has eyes and ears can see and hear and will know that the Ọba lineage is foreign
You can't have it both ways, you are supporting your Benin/Yoruba connection by relying on Benin palace sources. Same palace sources in the person of the Oba (Erediawa) himself claimed that Ekaladerhan is Oduduwa and you are saying you disagree because it's proven that he died in Ughoton.
You cannot eat your cake and have, you cannot select what suits you. If your most trusted sources of Benin/Yoruba connection is the palace, then you have to believe everything they say because you are not in a position to prove or contradict the palace on the personage of Ekaladerhan.
You approach history from a dogmatic perspective, you should be able to support your position with prove, you dont come across like someone that's interested in prove but what sounds okay by you.
I asked in my previous posts
1. Why no Oba of Benin had a yoruba name?
2. Why didn't Benin princes and Princesses bear yoruba names before 1897
3. Why didn't Ajayi Crowder write about Benin/yoruba connection Ajayi Crowder life saw the reigns of atleast three Obas of Benin.
4. Why didn't the Europeans write about Benin/Yoruba connection for 400 years before 1897.
5. Why can't anyone supply evidence to support Benin/yoruba connection before 1897.
Guy, you must expand your thought process, you seem like a nice guy. You shouldn't come along as someone that's here to undermine the efforts of Benin people who are genuinely researching their history.
I have said it repeatedly that I will change my position if anyone is able to convince me that Benin had anything to do with Ife before the 1800s, I don't think it should be too difficult.
When we ask questions, we expect answers but our yoruba neighbours just go quietly, only to resurrect their dogmatic position next time, you seems to be doing the same, probably this is why almost all Benin in the forum doubt you are a Benin person.
Benin people ask questions and not scared of convincing answers.
You cannot keep on saying the oba of Benin is yoruba without showing any oba, prince or princess in Benin history pre-1897 with a yoruba name.
Those that believe you have an anti Benin and anti Oba of Benin agenda are upset because you are holding on to a position you cannot provide prove. You cannot disagree with the Oba on Ekaladerhan and then go on to claim he is yoruba because of Benin/Ife connection which was feed to you by the same palace sources which the Oba heads.
I'm sure the man is intelligent enough to understand the concept of data collection from vast sources. Ogiamien, Oba Palace, Usen, Ife, older Benin accounts as recorded by Europeans etc
The Original Ojomo/Ezomo were not hereditary... they were simply valiant citizens who proved themselves in war/battle/chivalry
By some accounts, Oranmiyan conferred his own Ojomo from Usen. Ezomos became hereditary after Oba Akinjuwa (Akenzua), which is most likely the Esan pedigree of Ezomo started and became fixed.
Also I forget but isn't there an ijebu connection to the Ezomo title?
The mechanics are a much stronger indication of genetic heritage than a few loan words. Igbo and Ibibio share much more in common mechanically than other languages. The frequent use of conjoined consonants, words and mechanics. Apparent similarities between Igbo and Yoruboid languages are not only likely to be of Edoid influence but the influence is limited in the dialectical(Onitsha) level that trace a lineage to Benin. The rest of Igbo land do not speak Onitsha and our dialects are quite distinct.
Most people don't realize that "Igbo language" is actually an umbrella classification of hundreds of mostly mutually unintelligible dialects. The Onitsha dialect family(and the dialect that most non-Igbo people most recognized) is unique to the Onitsha area and not spoken anywhere else in Igbo land. Indeed Onitsha people usually consider themselves to be Benin people first.
Another false submission. There is in fact more noticeable similarities between the Southern igbo dialects such as Ekpeye, Ogba than Onitcha with Yoruba dialects
What do you mean by conjoined consonants? I hope you are aren't referring to alphabets like Gh, Gw, Gb Bh, Kh Because these are single consonant sounds of their own only represented in written form by two consonants
I'm sure the igbo historians on this thread would vehemently disagree with you that onitcha usually consider themselves Bini
Everything you typed up there is facts boss, me personally I remember that issue of the two kings, it's in a town in Ondo I believe, if I am not mistaken it is close to okitipupa if not even the town itself ! The Benin descendant is the real heir of the Throne but the usurper went to ooni of ife to concort an ife migration fairy tale and he is now claiming he is the rightfull king
All of you keep crying hot tears
I enjoy seeing Bini rants and how nobody takes you seriously, it must be frustrating
Culture / Re: Yoruba Subgroups And Where They Are by macof(m): 12:10pm On Aug 23
What's this butchering of Roman history?? 
I hope you have learnt to appreciate African spirituality since then