₦airaland Forum

We would even soon increase it to 21 heads, specifically your type

Since you like asking rubbish questions

Osariemen12:
Don't mind them. They only claim us to get the number for their own political gains. We're wiser now. Jonathan's defeat in southwest and Obaseki's re-election bid exposed many things about their cunning nature. To be honest with you, everyone in Benin City today understands that it is better to have no political ally than to have them as one.

Before now, our votes have always aligned with them but I can't remember one project executed in Edo State by the Obasanjo administration despite our massive support. We've decided to stand alone or join forces with the old eastern region just like Delta State has done and has never regretted doing so.

We can trust the Igbo man better than them. Let them keep writing nonsense about Edo State because we rejected their evil party.

See garage boy.

We are talking about linguistics and anthropology of over 2000 years ago this one is talking about voting patterns of less than 20 years ago

Alusiizizi:
Wrong. A few similar words cannot prove genetic connection, for example, many English words are Romantic in origin but the mechanics of the English language shows a Germanic heritage. Igbo language, mechanically is far more related to Ibibio than any other language in Nigeria, mechanically. What's more, by physical appearance they share more similarities than any other peoples in Nigeria. The seemingly shared words between Igbo/Yoruba is very likely borrowed from Edo(Benin Kingdom), which the Igbo have a long history of interaction with.

There isn't a single linguist who holds this submission.

Instead just as English is a Germanic language with romance influences.. Igbo is said to be a Volta-Niger language with Lower Cross influences

So Igbo borrowed their words for body parts, words for common animals, pronouns (all top indicators of shared linguistic heritage) from Edo?

Tomorrow now in another discussion, the same you will argue against Igbos borrowing anything

Trapnews:

We are peaceful people, we have nothing in common with those terrorists calling our beloved country a Zoo but now want Presidency all of a sudden. We are more aligned to the North. Yeebos are enemies of Nigeria and we and Northerners are the patriots.

very ignorant.
Yoruba doesn't begin and end in Nigeria.
Yorùbáland extends up till Togo. Are Yoruba of Atapame or Sabe also patriots of Nigeria?

We are talking about history and anthropology, you are bringing nonsense about Nigerian politics

Kobojunkie:
You are free to worship your yoruba god, but you have no right to impose him on the man whose ancestry is not same as yours.

Taje your own advice.
Christianity and Islam should be chased to where they came from.

funshint:
He lacks the moral standing to start advocating for Christian. He's well known to be anti-christian. That's not his space!

the man is simply anti-yoruba

He is paid to brew religious crisis in yorubaland

elated177:
Frustration always leads to meaningless name-calling.

you are the frustrated one. You came to my old post of years ago after it gave you sleepless nights. I dropped more bangers and it burst your head
You haven't seen anything. I'll soon get back to dropping more knowledge on ancient Hebrews and canaanite spirituality, then you'll really be shaking

elated177:
I laugh in Mbaise. What topic? This particular one that I have nailed or another one. Who are you calling little man? You want to resort to insult? Go and look for your level.

. As I said, little man, just run along

elated177:
Confusion galore. Sorry o.

run along little man, this topic pass your intellect and knowledge

ume1000:
So I have been puzzled by this biblical figure for ages now ,the person on whose order of priesthood Jesus himself came from .

Is there some other order of priesthood?

Note: he is said to be a priest of the most high God (so cannot be God himself)

Christ is said to be from his order (which likely implies he is higher up than Christ)

This again goes back one of my intentions for this thread https://www.nairaland.com/1860282/yahweh-cannot-defeat-ogun

Christians must realise that the ancient Hebrews were a canaanite semitic people, hence their religion derives from the same pool of canaanite spirituality with a heavy Mesopotamian influence (as Mesopotamian powers such as Assyria and Akkad pushed a lot of their culture into the canaanite lands)

Melchizedek if he was real at all or not was definitely meant to refer to the priesthood of El Elyon, the All Father and Supreme Deity of the Canaanite traditions.
Not Yahweh aka El Shaddai of Abraham, who was at the time a lesser God.

There's a reason the word "Elohim" is so ambiguous, either referring to 1. El Elyon himself 2. As a plural reference to the Gods of the cannanite pantheon.
But there's also a 3rd ... Since the destruction of Israel by Assyria in 721 BC. Many Israelites were either taken captive or fled.. Most fled to Judah their fellow paleo-Hebrew speaking neighbour.
It was at Judah the idea of a single God came about, both Judean and Israelite priests reconstructed that the reason for the fall of Israel was that they worshipped many Gods alongside their national God - El Shaddai.. Hence El Elyon began to be associated with El Shaddai and often times "Elohim" would also now be used to refer to this Deity
By the time of babylonian captivity it was fully established that El Shaddai was the Creator and sole Deity in existence.
All of this evolution is simply a result of Hebrew trauma from defeat after defeat by more powerful enemies and how they tried to explain these defeats as their God purnishing them for not being faithful enough.

Deuteronomy 32:8-9 offers an interesting insight to El Elyon as the Most High, different from Yahweh [the Lord]
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+32:8%E2%80%939&version=net

UGBE634:
A very poor explanation that took you time to bring out, na you be the scholar, you be Ozour abeg

Lmao. The crying has started

RedboneSmith:
They will not accept these as evidence for cognacy because they don't understand how linguistics work.

Well they can cry on the Internet all they like, serious work has been done and is still being done by scholars
They can't change it

UGBE634:
do you guys have Ogbe and Oma

not only do we have but it can even be broken down. Yoruba has even done a better job at retaining the use and meanings of the etymons of these common words.

Ùgbé from Gbé - to live /reside
Mímọ́/Mímá - holy, goodness. from mọ́ - to be clean, without blemish

samuk:
There are numerous Edo words in modern Igbo language but most Igbo are only familiar with the four market days.

Some examples:

Ise- amen in benin

Ise- amen in ibo

Okhorkhor = fowl in Benin

Okuko - fowl in Igbo

Okuta = rock in benin

Okute = rock rick in igbo

Oma---good in Ibo

Oma---good in Bini

Ndo---sorry in Igbo

do---sorry in Bini

Ogbe--quarters in Ibo

Ogbe--quarters in Bini

Ugbo - farm Bini

Ugbo - farm ibo

nkịta - dog in Igbo

Ekita - dog in Benin

And many more.

You did something similar with Urhobo and Edo language in a different thread. You can see how old Edo language are embedded into most southern Nigeria languages.

Every word here (except Ndo) has been established by historical linguists to be relics from Proto-YEAI
Nobody borrowed anybody any of these

elated177:
Macof, I am glad you are still active on nairaland. This thread of yours has been long here, you may have changed your views.

This is not competition, but to clear your ignorance. YHVH Almighty has no equal and doesn't compete with any.

I am a saint, priest, servant, follower and messenger of YHVH Almighty, the Creator of the heavens, the earth, the seas and everything in them, the one and only true God. YAHVEH El Shaddai created the earth and everything on and in earth, including all the ferrous and non-ferrous metals and non-metals.

To your question, I quote the below:

1 Kings 20: 23 Meanwhile, the officials of the king of Aram advised him, “Their gods are gods of the hills. That is why they were too strong for us. But if we fight them on the plains, surely we will be stronger than they. 24 Do this: Remove all the kings from their commands and replace them with other officers. 25 You must also raise an army like the one you lost—horse for horse and chariot for chariot—so we can fight Israel on the plains. Then surely we will be stronger than they.” He agreed with them and acted accordingly.

1 Kings 20: 28 The man of God came up and told the king of Israel, “This is what YHVH says: ‘Because the Arameans think YHVH is a god of the hills and not a god of the valleys, I will deliver this vast army into your hands, and you will know that I am YHVH.’”

Macof, can you see that the king of Aram and his subjects made the same wrong assumption? YHVH Almighty owns both the mountains/hills and the plains/valleys.

Macof, take note of the following:

Deut 8:9 a land where bread will not be scarce and you will lack nothing; a land where the rocks are iron and you can dig copper out of the hills.

Amos 4: 13He who forms the mountains,
who creates the wind,
and who reveals his thoughts to mankind,
who turns dawn to darkness,
and treads on the heights of the earth—
YHVH God Almighty is his name.

I believe you have gotten the message.

Here is a bonus point.

1 Kings 18:40 Then Elijah commanded them, “Seize the prophets of Baal. Don’t let anyone get away!” They seized them, and Elijah had them brought down to the Kishon Valley and slaughtered there.

El Elohe Yahshrael! Hallelu YAH!

Valleys are right between hills, these are strongholds for a mountain worshiping people like the ancient Israelites. Notice the Arameans said they should push the Israelites to the plains.. Not valley... Plains!

You will be shocked to know that the original position of yahweh is the God of the hills/mountains and of the hosts (heavenly armies ie. Stars). And there are places in the Bibel that Attest to this covertly. Think very well about that Amos 4:13 those are attributes of a mountain God. Also El Shaddai often translated as God of the most High, just means God of the Mountains.

If you want to know who the ancient Hebrews thought was the supreme being and maker of heaven and earth go and study about El Elyon


The thing is most Christians learn interpretative theology of the European Middle ages, and not the actual source.
Another example of many mistakes Christians make is to think "lucifer" is the name of the devil

laiperi:
The writer did not mention Herodotus. Stop nah!

Face the real issue of Ogiso and Ijaw.

Na wa o.
But why are you lying like this

That article was a mess, don't mess yourself up by defending the undefendable.

At best, retouch the article and remove all the nonsense laughable inaccuracies, so the main points will not be lost

Some people are hilarious

Dynoz01:
I thought you said the devil doesn't exist

Then what actually prompted her to commit suicide?

. This is a very dumb post
Please don't mention me to senseless things like this

Damn. Pointless end

Sad though

RedboneSmith:
This Omoyaji sounds like Iyagi or Ayagi, which is used in parts of Northern Nigeria to mean 'a Yoruba person'. I think it originates from a Nupe exonym for the Yoruba people. In some parts of Anioma you may hear "Nyenji" used for a Yoruba person which originates from the same Nupe expression.

This is what I was suspecting
Reason I asked him

akunjohn:
You nailed it, sometimes ago around 1994 to 1996,I was posted to Idah for a road projects with my friends from Ibadan and before we left that place, we've mastered the language very well...they always call us omoyaji...
My colleagues even got married there.
The good old days

Do you know why they called you omoyaji?

Maryam1234:
I will advise you open your own thread and educate us the more rather than countering what's already stated.We are eager to learn about the perspectives you're coming from A friend of mine, called my attention to this thread.She's from Ondo State but Igala by ancestry;she found something interesting about my native name yesterday and she thinks I'm more Yoruba than Igala.I have to let her know that my name Keju is an abreviation of Alikeju,her dad's name is Akeju and her brother abbreviates it as Keju,such a twist. She's telling me I'm bearing her surname Lolz.

Lmao. You don't know the guy and his madness on this forum?

Logicisfree:
Once again we have this great pretender whom has been pretending for more than 10 years to be a history student. Listen: Nobody migrated from Ife. People migrated into Ife.
Your approach of history is always about fairytales which place Ife at the centre of the world.
I didn't even talk about Ado-Ekiti, the comment I was replying is still right there...
But since you have forced my hand: yes the words Ado and Edo are different ways of writing the same African word, and the Lagos monarchy was referred to as "house of Ado" by the British.
What does "Edo in ekiti" mean ...? Conversing with you was unwanted and unintelligible, you don't seem to know what you are replying to, also you seem to be debating yourself in your head because I don't understand your gibberish. Also the attempt to claim an ethnicity for the author of this fairytale in order to make his fairytale less laughable is a very lazy attempt: "he is writing about his people", says who ?
p.s: I also don't know what "from Bini" means, please someone hand me a "gibberish to human language" dictionary.

I didn't read any of this. Keep crying as I expect you to

Logicisfree:
These yoruba will just wake up and start speaking gibberish about how everybody migrated from ife...and they will tell a detailed story because they believe we are fools. Benin empire was trading with Europe in the 1400's, so the person writing this fairytale is claiming to know with details what happened before the 1400's.
Now how a human being whom is not a time traveller can tell a story older than 600 years with no eyewitness written account, that is beyond me. Even the best investigators of the police can't do such about events which took place a month ago without eyewitnesses or eyewitness written documents or videos...
Yoruba magic of lies is on an other level.

Somone opened a thread to talk about his home town, and how they migrated from Ife, this retard from Bini is having convulsions
No, he should have said Ado-Ekiti means Edo in Ekiti

Dsalvo:
Lol. Check out this joker. Is regionalism, that has been a form of Nigerian governance in the past, outlawed in our constitution as secession is exclusively?

Why was regional governance legal in the past whereas secession has never been allowed and was even shot down when Awolowo moved for a secession clause to be adopted in our constitution? Childish olodo.

Nowhere in the constitution is an Amotekun-type security force outlawed in our constitution either and Yoruba Governors cleverly worked together to achieve it.

Same way commonsense tells us they can work smarter to achieve concessions that will move us closer to State and regional autonomy than agitate stupidly for outright secession that gets the back of others up and will be easily defeated, every single time, with a simple citation of relevant sections of the Nigerian constitution.

Your mumuism has no part 2 bro. For that I really pity you.

Please tag me when you have your return to regionalism bill ready to pass in the national assembly

Go get em boy, show us how it's done

Dsalvo:
Stop the idiocy. Igboho bravely moved beyond words yet he still achieved nothing.

What do you want those who talk alone, you have now crowned your Oduduwa actualization champions, to achieve with their impotent organisations and empty rhetoric?

Quote all the grey areas you want but the same conditions that made many nations of the world to side with the laws of the sovereign nation called Nigeria, against the illegal declaration of Biafra by Ojukwu decades ago, prevail today and will frustrate any attempt at secession Minus a constitutional change ratifying such.

He achieved awareness

Go and do it if its easy... Easy man looking for easy things

Go and rectify the constitution for a return to regionalism like me see
Clown you make me laugh

Dsalvo:
You're a joker. Let us see how things will go. I leave you with the case of the naive Igboho.

Go and read the thread below, starting from the last page, to note clowns like you who insulted others, when they naively viewed Igboho the messiah, fled the thread completely after Igboho was arrested and humbled.

Where are those usernames deifying Igboho on the thread below and insulting fellow Yorubas who wisely advocated Yorubas keep all options on the table?

This is why the traditionally wise Yorubas , minus a few misguided elements like you and the insultive clowns on the thread below, will never follow a Kanu-like figure who may be charismatic but ultimately gullible and lacking pragmatic sense.

https://www.nairaland.com/6531715/im-yoruba-tinubu-isnt-leader/7

You are not a very vigilant and active yoruba man if you think Igboho is the leader of the Yoruba sovereignty movement.
You don't know anything

Please tag me when you have your return to regionalism bill ready to pass in the national assembly

Dsalvo:
Garbage from start to finish. Is secession outlawed by the Nigerian constitution? Simple yes or no.

Regionalism, which protects the national and geographical integrity of Nigeria as a sovereign nation, is a far easier and more achievable sell. Mumu.

We have had regional governance in the past so not an entirely new development yet no balkanisation of Nigeria, forbidden outrgihtly by our constitution, has happened so far and is unlikely to ever happen.

When I see people agitating uncompromisingly for secession, as you are doing, I only see losers in life who do not understand that (1) there's more than one way to skin a Cat and (2) more productive to work smarter than harder.

Ask yourself how many decades have Igbos agitated for Biafra and what has been the personal cost to them.

Whereas no government can kill the legal idea, if stakeholders key into it, and this is ultra-important, of a people dedicating themselves to building successful Iives and productive societies from their regional bases.

You can legitimately agitate for devolution of power away from the centre towards States and regions of Nigeria.

The concession the Buhari-led FG granted for the formation of Amotekun, after SW States unitedly agitated for it, is proof of this.

Whereas there is no forward path agitating for secession that is exclusively outlawed by the Nigerian constitution and the reason Nigeria engaged in a brutal civil war, in the past, that led to the loss of millions of lives.

Grow up and stop deceiving yourself because the way I see it my 12 year old kid is a better solutions provider and pragmatic thinker than you are.

Regionalism is seemingly easier, sure that's the only reason you are pushing for it and insulting those for sovereignty. We have established that already little man no need to repeat what I've already said. You have no ideological basis for your attack on the call for sovereignty... Your entire deal is "regionalism is easier and won't stress me"
Making you the coward

Yet, again as we have established, despite regionalism being seemingly easier, you have still not achieved anything


Your second argument is "we have had regionalism in the past" same past that the powers that be made sure to reject a return to?
Where were you when Murtala, Babangida and Adbulsalam organised conferences and committees.. Did they not shut you and your regionalism up?
Where have you been since 1999? Where are your bills? What happened to you in 2014 nation confab?
Were you not ignored like a riffraff

Btw, we have also had Yoruba sovereignty before Nigeria. Yoruba people were our own people who controlled our own destiny. So this argument of "we had regionalism before" Ehen and so what? Let me see you get it and I will congratulate you and we will all enjoy the regionalism as long as it lasts (because we all know it will not last even if it happens, the last one did not last)

This guy you are a clown You are asking me now to ask igbos what agitation for biafra has cost them? But you were the one telling me to go the way of biafra in a previous post, didn't you just say I should be like Nnamdi Kanu
So you were telling me to be like Kanu so that the same costs will befall Yorubas? You just show that you don't mean well for anyone but your selfish self.
I wouldn't wish for anything bad on you but look at the hate in your mind for others simply because they call for sovereignty of their ancestral land. Ahan how more wicked can you be? I thought I am a loser just making noise why feel so bothered about losers?

Your small brain doesn't know there are many ways to achieve self government but it all starts with awareness, mobilisation and setting an ideological foundation which Yoruba nation is doing so well and the next stages will follow. And you know it that's why you are so bothered. I dare you if you know that we are losers wasting our time, I dare you to ignore us the way you have been ignored since 1966
Everyone has ignored your sorry ass for decades.

You can also legitimately agigate for self determination. It is a right enshrined in the United nations charter of which Nigeria is a signatory.
Neither you nor I should be prosecuted for either regionalism or sovereignty...
There is no legal superiority to the call for regionalism over the call for sovereignty, it only depends on enough support and action.
let us both agitate our own and we will see who will achieve their goal. I dare you

As I have said, the idea of Yoruba sovereignty has even done more for regionalism than even those shouting return to regionalism. Amotekun is one of such actions, its called marginal gains, its a gradual process.
Yoruba security in the hands of yorubas is part of the idea for Yoruba Sovereignty.. Not return to regionalism.

You are talking about return to regionalism where the federal government of Nigeria still controls your security and can call state of emergency on you like in 1962 anytime they feel like. Or you want another operation wetie. You want another era of sectional parties and gang up on yorubas?

Look around, pay attention, the people are saying something else, and what they are saying is "Yoruba nation"

Dsalvo:
I wrote "may be a fruitless waste of time". The "may be" qualifier is contingent on people like you all talk yet expecting others to act for you.

If you believe in something then chase it. Don't wait for other men to chase it for you to then be your Kanu.

Where we differ is that I commit to what I believe in and go beyond words. I believe in a fundamental change in the structure of Nigeria and then on to regionalism or something similar and along the lines of devolving more powers to States and region of Nigeria.

To that end I am working at a political career to put my money where my mouth and thinking is.

One thing I find common with you agitators for seccession is that your approach is cowardly and childish .

You are usually all angry and demanding action, evening insulting those with opposing views, but all of you are only able to talk as if others must act for you.

If not, pick up guns and organise a crew to fight the government as Kanu did. Let's see how you fare. As simple as that.

When we tell you secession is against our constitution, meaning it can never be delivered without serious bloodshed or a people's revolution everyone must sacrifically sign-up for, you guys continue to act like toddlers to still insist on it.

Go and carry a gun and fight then. Those who have political and legislative power have shown what they believe in. Back them or put in the effort to gain Oduduwa. Go and replace Igboho or shut up.

Those of us who are proper grown ups, and not fantasist and unrealistic daydreamers like those insisting they want snow in the hottest part of Northern Nigeria, will push ahead with actions, not mere words, to deliver what we want as SW Governors unanimously and unitedly did below.

There is no provision for regionalism you are talking about in the constitution you worship.
The same way you are trying to get regionalism is the same way people are trying to get independence. This notion of trying to present yourself as more noble is ridiculous.. You are every bit a rebel to that constitution by talking about regionalism

And let me tell you since you aren't smart enough to realise it... Those you insult for pushing for ethnic sovereignty are doing more to even help you achieve regionalism. you've been shouting return to regionalism since the first military regime, how far?
Very useless people shouting the same thing for decades almost 60 years with no single step forward.

"carry gun and fight" that's the only way your small brain understands independence struggle. I guess the NNDP and NYM that started the struggle for Nigeria's independence from the British empire used guns??
If you think the only way to attain self government is through guns or worse openly talking about it, then you aren't wise.

Lmao, what actions are you doing to get your regionalism? Where are you on the streets? Where are your rallies? Where are your organisations? What parties have regionalism as part of their manifesto? Where are you in the house of assemblies or national assembly pushing bills? Where are you active anywhere? Proposal is not action. We need to see action for once, you've had a long time.


In terms of action you are far behind those pushing for sovereignty. You have no structure and no support of the people anymore, all noise since 1966. Look at the call for Yoruba sovereignty that just picked up and how far it has come in a few years.

Dsalvo:
What on earth are you talking about? Mumu. You're the one with a comprehesion deficit and a silly, uncouth and worthless agbero to boot.

The SW Governors are not advocating for the separation of Nigeria.

Neither am I because smart Yorubas know better than to agitate for something that may be a fruitless waste of time and years or even decades.

Go and ask Igbo and their Biafra market they have pursued fruitlessly for decades to include fighting and losing a war over.

No, its wrong to say it is a waste of time.
Nothing is a waste of time if enough people push for it.

This is the same stupidd mentality of "this man will make a good president but he can't win, so I won't waste my vote" when people in their millions carry this mentality how can good people be voted in?
Do you support something simply because you think it's easy to achieve or because if achieved it will be best for everyone?

But any way, the movement to break up this British tax collecting and resources extracting enterprise called Nigeria is gaining ground with or without you.
There are sensible people who know what is good for their children and children's children

There are people who can see that Nigeria is falling, in a few years it will be like Afghanistan, run over by bandits and terrorists.. Now is the time for Yoruba to get out

LuvAfrika:
Everyone came from the East at different times... some arrived in Yorubaland and all over West Africa at different times ... some who arrived later were more civilized than the indigenes... imagine Mansa Musa travelling to Mecca from Mali in those days he took lots of gold and people and surely left people along the way going and coming back

People could have been in West Africa and not originate from anywhere and there languages appear in ours

Yoruba has lots of words they met here and adopted

Ijebus are different and I’m proud to be Ijebu. Obanta came from Wadai or Ife but in the Golden Age of Ile Ife everyone wanted to be connected to Oduduwa

Yarubawa and Larubawa are Yorubas and Arabs respectively in which Ya runaway was the name given or borne by Yorubas who passed through the North to get here

Certainly every one came from the East at different times

Senegalese are tall like Masai and must have left earlier than most of the origin of Man is Africa and Africa was the birthplace of Man from North East West and South

People have been making this claim since they adopted Christianity and Islam, trying to link themselves closer to where their religions come from.
If they can't link it to Israel or Arabia they will settle for Ethiopia, Egypt and Sudan

But unfortunately, its all just fantasy

For centuries and decades now that this claims have been flying around, there isn't a single ounce of evidence.

Obanta's mother married to oduduwa is known, another female member of her family was married to oduduwa. Details are known in Ijebu and in Ife that agree on the same narratives
But this waddai sha
Funny thing is waddai did not exist during the time of Obanta.
Obanta lived in the 13th/14th century, waddai was founded in the 17th century
See magic

Another funny thing is that all of you are so ignorant that you like to say Waddai in Sudan. Waddai was not even in Sudan but in Chad/central African Republic

AlphaWolf27:
Did they commit any crime. Answer is NO. So why detain them.
Chapter IV (41) Every citizen of Nigeria is entitled to move freely throughout Nigeria and to reside in any part thereof, and no citizen of Nigeria shall be expelled from Nigeria or refused entry thereby or exit therefrom.

Can they prove they are citizens of Nigeria? If not send them back where they came from

That's how a guy from Niger republic was among those that killed and burnt Deborah in Sokoto