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Kobojunkiee:
Again,

Kobojunkiee:
Those of them who indeed pray to objects ofcourse practice idolatry. No question about that at all.

Kobojunkiee:
I didn't come here concerned about what "Christians" say in their ignorance and hatred. As I stated, an idol is a representation of a deity, and worship of such representations is what idol worship or idolatry also means?

In the case of Judaism, idol worship, as defined in the Old Law, implies a worship of any other deity, or image, besides Jehovah!

macof:
There are no idol worshippers in this world. Abrahamic religions just use it to disrespect non-abrahamic religions.
it is merely a show of disdain and disrespect

macof:
even your definition dismisses what christains in their ignorance and hatred say “Gods of wood and stone, that cannot speak or hear”
So dumb for anyone to think the objects are the Gods

Kobojunkiee:
An idol is an object that serves as a physical representation of a diety or god and so idol worship is the indirect worship of a deity through submission to these objects.

LordReed:
The little I am learning of our native religions is making me suspect the same thing, a painting of the dog black in other to kill it. I watched a piece on voodoo and it really opened my eyes. Check it out:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VofAQYxcHHY

A001:
Wow. That is eye-opening. Thanks, bro.

For a Yoruba person, combining aspects of Yoruba spirituality with science is the best way of life.

But sadly, most don't know this and are trapped in the mental slavery of foreign religions and their gods.

A001:
Our ancestors were never idol worshippers! Look How they used their language to deceive us:

Our ancestors are “Abọriṣa” (They who feed/respect Orisha)”. “I-bọ” (to feed/respect )” this never translate “Worship”

Whitemen called us “Idol worshippers” which should literally translates “Ijọsin ere” - does this make sense to you?

“Idol” according to Merriam-Webster means:
(I) an OBJECT of extreme devotion (II) a representation or symbol of an object of worship.

The above definitions of “Idol” is the same description for what we call “Ere” or “ọmọ langidi”

One should be curious to ask: How does “Idol” mean/translate “Orisha”?

How does “worship” which direct translation is “Ijọsin/Isin” mean “bọ” (which is “Feed” &/or “respect” in English)?

This is the hogwash they fed us to misconstrue the practice of the ancestors and ridicule it.

We were never “IDOL WORSHIPPERS” Our ancestors were craftsmen & Art lovers. They made idols, figurines in the image and depiction of nature, irunmọles, Orisas & predecessors.

They have these icons in their shrines as a point of connection to a respective divinity just as the Abrahamic religionists and other religions have the statues and the pictures of their religious figures in the church, mosques, temple respectively.

#Ase #AfricanSpirituality

Source: https://www./254496028077791/permalink/1781633205364058/

Now, my question is: how true are these claims? I'm coming across them for the first time.

Cc: macof, TAO11 or TAO12, Olu317, Konquest, musicwriter, OtemAtum, et al.

IkpuMmadu:
tell them

IkpuMmadu:
you can play ostrich but that is the reality on ground

samuk:
Just incase you got the 1824 date from my writeup, let me clarify some points.

1824 was when the first Europeans visited the hinterland of Yoruba (Oyo) and started gathering first hand historical accounts of the Yoruba people.

Around this same time the Europeans also visited the Sultan of Sokoto, Sultan Bello, Sultan Bello had documented that the Yorubas migrated from the middle east (Mecca).

The Europeans that were in Oyo (the lander Brothers and co) collected a different tradition from that of Sultan Bello.

In both accounts, Oduduwa wasn't mentioned.

Oduduwa was a myth in some Yoruba traditions until some returnee slaves such as Samuel Johnson started writing the history of the Yoruba.

Samuel Johnson in 1897 built his Yoruba middle east origin on Sultan Bello's 1822-1824 narrative but unlike Sultan Bello that claimed that the Yorubas migrated from Mecca, Samuel Johnson argued in the direction of Egypt because he said there were no records of Oduduwa in the history of Mecca.

This is how a mythical Oduduwa was transformed into the Moses that led his Yoruba people from the middle east to their current location in Nigeria. Some Igbos did the same by tracing themselves back to Israel.

The Oduduwa story was built on Sultan Bello's 1824 unsubstantiated narrative.

What some of you propagate as history are mostly layers of lies told over time by different people and Yoruba history is full of these kind of narratives, they try to get away with it by telling you they were scholarly works by experts.

The so called experts need materials to work with and in most cases these materials are lies told over time and at the end the experts and professionals just help to further the lies to advance their careers.

The only true history are the ones documented by eyewitnesses who happened to witness what they wrote down. This is why Benin has no rival and a reference point.

Benin is the only significant kingdom/empire in Nigeria with such eyewitness historical accounts dating back to the 1400s, Yoruba eyewitness historical accounts started in 1824, the story of Oduduwa was created much later.

walefresh3:
keep shut the bungur people that honoured tinubu with jagaban title are Yoruba speaking area / domain in niger state.... These are Yoruba tribes that traced thier historical lienage to ife ... Not Igbo type that are not recognized in Delta... No ibo in portharcout and Delta... ..
In Edo ,Delta, kwara, kogi and niger state, we have indigenous Yoruba ... I am not talking of migrant here ....

IkpuMmadu:
Okun and Jebba don't identify as Yoruba

Tomek09:
[s]IGBO.
SouthEast—98.8% indigenous Igbo tribe
SouthSouth—55% Indigenous Igbo speaking population.
SouthWest—Appreciable population of Igbos in Lagos, Oyo, Akure and Ogun State.
North(West, East and Central)—Igbos in the 3 regions of North are too many to write off.

YORUBA
SouthWest—99.5% Indigenous Yoruba tribe.
SouthEast—0.8% population of Yoruba extraction.
SouthSouth—1.06% of Yoruba native.
North(West, East and Central)—21% of Yorubas mainly in NC and about 3% in NW and NE respectively.

HAUSA-FULANI
NorthWest—91.6% indigenous Hausa tribe with about 6.3% Fulani making up the population in this region.
NorthEast—75% indigenous native of Hausa–Fulani extraction. Many minority tribes are found in this NorthEast but unfortunately they've lost their language or about to lose their language to dominant Hausa which is like a lingua franca(generally accepted) adopted in the whole North.
NorthCentral—Hausa-Fulani population here is not up to 30% with many minority tribes existing in the 6 States of NC with Nupe, Igala, TIV and Idoma dominating Niger, Kogi and Benue respectively.
SouthEast— 0.9% Hausa-Fulani exists in SE with about 1.4% found within the shores of SouthSouth.
SouthWest—Appreciable number of Hausa/Fulani are found indigenous to SouthWest having lost their language to Yoruba dominant language.

So, without mincing words and being biased...... anyone can easily give a rough estimate or near accuracy about Igbo, Hausa and Yoruba population.[/s]

AndSunGorilla:
If the mark of the beast has been predicted, isn't it inevitable it will come? So are the Christians trying to stop the rapture from occurring? If I remember well, Christians shouldn't be bothered by the mark of the beasts as they should have been raptured. We should be having this discussion after some people must have mysteriously disappeared.

jesusjnr2020:
The covid-19 vaccine is certainly not the mark of the beast, however I believe it's more like a precursor, which would be used to prepare the ground and to test run some of the plans and ideas for it.

damilola4162:
Source: https://newspremises.com.ng/compulsory-vaccination-is-from-the-pit-of-hell-pastor-paul-enenche-kicks-against-making-covid-19-vaccine-compulsory-video/

RichAbujaGuy:
Sir, inflation is global right now, not just in this land.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2021/sep/15/people-in-the-uk-are-there-things-that-have-suddenly-become-unaffordable-for-you

Buckeyemedia1:
Pity yourself, Better than believing in something that doesn’t exist, an illusion, a bird in hand, is worth 2 in the bush. Keep wasting your short time chasing shadows.

treesun:
https://punchng.com/naira-crashes-to-record-low-at-official-market/

paulolee:
still no know Wetin arsenal n wenger do this gee wey e de always
score against them..
13 goals in 15 games is totally insane record for an attacker against
a "big club" in EPL.
It seems dey is something dt drogba or wenger isnt telling us dt is
fueling drogba whenever he sees Wenger..
maybe a younger drogba once went for trials n wenger said he isnt good enough to play for arsenal or wenger once priced him very cheaply...
they gat be a story behind this scenario wey de motivate drogba
whenever he see wenger..

Born2Breed:
The same oral history the Benin are dishing out to enlighten you lot but you prefer copy and paste from some slave returnees.

Abohboy:
Of course genes differ we split over 3000-5000 years ago the longer groups have diverged for the more the change in DNA but we're both still very similar and share a common ancestor and yes the common name for a divination system is evidence of similarities in culture and DNA other wise why don't the Akan have a similar name or the Hausa?

Concerning those articles yes the so called ghost ancestor is a different hominid group which had inhabited that area before homo sapiens came and obviously the ancestors of the Yoruba and Mande ( Freed Yoruba Slaves In Sierra Leone ) mated with this different hominid but till this day they haven't been able to identify it or even name it but that doesn't prove that they don't share a common ancestor it just proves that there were different groups inhabiting different areas of the world

absoluteSuccess:
Very informative and interesting. You don't expect someone to go beyond their intellectual reach. A man culminate his reasoning where his intellect ends.

Everything this guy boast of is cheap research and fraudulent imitation of the substitutes. You claim that Yoruba has nothing to do with other language than niger Congo.

But when he's to draw up the fundamentals of the relativity between Yoruba and other Niger Congo, he adopted what is known as "consonant shift" in Indo-European languages.

The man making case for the ambiguity nature of Niger Congo as different from Indo European language family could not explain the fundamentals of Niger Congo languages based on ambiguity.

It's because he doesn't know how to do that except you do it and he destroy it. I told you I will flash his number here and promised you that he will take down his picture from it, isn't it?

Today, he has deleted his WhatsApp account both business and the free app. He alone can tell how much losses this meant to his purse. Happy for the people who are lucky for this.

He used to think he's secure, "faceless macof" but you are my witness on this platform. EFCC and other security agencies are on their trail already, bloody scammers.

They pretend to be scholars but underground, they are bunch of vipers lurking in the dark to perpetrate evil. I'm an enemy because I am projecting God, (something he detests) to Yoruba tradition, something he claims to like.

Now he intends to employ his evil machinery to deal with me for being persistent, and that ended up exposing his true business online with scholarship topics as pastime.

jneutron4000:
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Tomek09:
YORUBAS AND FULANIS ARE ANCESTRALLY BROTHERS.

onumadu:
I agree, too.

The Yoruba share far more with Hausa/Fulani than with Igbo, and this fact is clearly visible to any careful observer.

That fact has consistently reflected in the politics of Nigeria such that one cannot reasonably see any future Yoruba country without the Hausa/Fulani in it.

This is reality.

Abohboy:
I thought Ajasa was the original name of Porto Novo

absoluteSuccess:
I have said it here before that macof real name is Ekundayo.

More to come.

https://www.nairaland.com/4475313/yoruba-hebrew-heritage/47