samuk: Remnant of old Rome is mostly confined to Vertical City. Benin speaking areas hasn't changed since time immemorial. Old Benin empire is much larger than the core Benin speaking area of Edo south which your comrade tagged the remnant of old Benin empire.
I repeat, what remains of old Benin empire as described by your yoruba brother is bigger than what remains of the Roman empire.
apply same logic you are using for Benin to Rome please. Compare Old Benin empire with old Roman empire let me see something . you bini people and your delusions are just hilarious. you sure you guys aren't sick?
UGBE634: first there is a kingdom,the kings of all these various Bini speaking communities pay Obeisance to him and see him as their Overlord. for the sake of knowledge when they say Benin Kingdom, they are talking about the entire Benin speaking communities under his jurisdiction effortlessly. The Bini kingdom of Old even in her weak days was never confined to Edo south. She certainly expressed express control over Esans and Afenmai, but today it is no longer included as part of this Benin kingdom. Remnants in this sense means communities which are under his express control seamlessly because they are exactly one and the same with the Oba of Benin culturally and linguistically and they see him as the final arbiter of the Bini people. There is no time even till date and till tomorrow where the jurisdiction of the Oba was ever said to be limited to Benin city. Effortlessly it has always included all Bini speaking communities in Edo south, if you will not accept kingdom it is fine, he meant the entire Bini speaking land, Udo as a community, the head of the Town,the Uwangue, Iyase, or the Eribo is appointed directly from the Oba's palace, there is a phrase in Benin "Udo,Edo-(Benin city) Edo ehia khin " meaning Udo,Edo are all Edo. you know how a war was fought between Arhuan'Udo and Esigie over where the capital should be, if Arhuan'Udo had won the capital would have been at Udo. I believe clearly he restricted his talk to landmass, Edo south of which you have fragment of minute cultures here and there is about two times the size of Rome metropolitan, you never questioned the logic in the first place you restricted Bini to Benin city I gave you facts, you are questioning logic
lmao more delusions. there is only the federal republic of Nigeria and it's federating state of Edo state with local governments. There are three tiers of governemt in Nigeria and these they are.
There is no benin kingdom today. There is Oba of Benin or more accurately Omonoba N'edo. But this is a ceremonial unconstitutional title merely for the purpose of serving as a relic of the past. He has no Kingdom to rule.
secondly, Esan were never part of the Benin Kingdom, they had their own Kingdom. Esan was part of the Benin empire...not Kingdom. Learn the difference between Kingdom and Empire
And even at this you still have no case in your comparison to Rome. In fact i am even falling my hand by entertaining this madness. Imagine comparing bini to rome You guys have issues o
which facts? you have not even answered the question above
UGBE634: When he said the Benin there he meant the kingdom and not the city and yes the remnant of the kingdom,the entire Bini speaking areas is two times larger than Rome metropolitan
Lmao 2x larger than Rome metropolitan and where is the evidence? Where's the measurement?
BTW there is no Benin kingdom... It does not exist anymore. So you can't talk about the size and administration of the old kingdom itself and tag it remnants.. If you want to talk about spread of language and Ethnic homeland today then that is a different case you are bringing in.
And if we want to go by this new logic of language and Ethnic Identity you are trying to bring, do you realise we would have to include all the elements of roman ethnic identity that has evolved over the last 14/15 centuries? The languages of French, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian etc are all derived from Latin the language of the ancient Romans. The very idea of Western civilization in form of writing, architecture, political system etc even the Catholic Church and even the Eastern Orthodox Church
Because how is it even fair to compare in this logic, "remnants" of a Rome that fell in the 5th century with Benin that fell in the 19th century. 1,400 years later
samuk: Most of these guys are not smart. Above was the statement made by one of them, equating what remained of old Benin empire to Edo south senatorial district, even though he made a mistake with the numbers of local government areas but it was clear he was referring to Edo south senatorial Zone.
I responded by saying that this Benin he described is still bigger than what remains of Rome. Edo south is factually bigger than what remains of Rome but the not so clever Macof wants to reduce Benin to Oredo and if possible to King's Square in his bigoted imagination.
The Benin people don't need faceless bigoted Nairalanders to validate what is world acknowledged achievements of the old Benin empire.
Benin made history and it was recognised and recorded by the world. Benin history is still being taught across the globe by reputable institutions, Benin history transcends Nigeria tribal politics.
If Macof was not too intellectually lazy, the edition of the Guinness book of records that acknowledged the Benin wall/moat as the world greatest monument pre mechanical era is all over the internet, various scientific institutions across world have this information on their website site but he still wants to be spoon-fed. Imagine him calling the presenter of a UK television quiz programmes clown because he thinks the UK is like Nigeria were mediocrity reigns and most people blinded by tribal and religious sentiments.
They started with the Oba of Benin is a yoruba lie, when that did not succeed they try to sell Oyo as an empire and when this too did not hold water they are trying to rubbish the world acclaimed historical achievements of the Benin empire.
Their pains and jealousy oozes to high heavens.
Size of Benin City - 1,204km sq Size of Rome - 1,285 km sq | size of metropolitan city of Rome - 5,363km sq
I see the flood of tears
You make me laugh always samuk
Facts speak for themselves
Provide proof from Guinness world records, (not random unreliable blogs) that any monument from Benin holds any record It is very easy to provide this proof as Guinness world records keeps records of the titles they have given out . even through their official website you could have provided this proof if it existed.. But it does not exist anywhere in their records https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com
Ologbo147: They are part of Benin metropolitan, Benin is larger than Rome cry me a river,the definition of a metropolitan is not up to you, it is what it is
Only in the mind of someone from Bini
You guys think different I tell you too much shekpe or what?
There's nothing like Benin metropolitan area Don't force it, you can't find it anywhere
Ologbo147: Why are you laughing man are you a clown. Oredo is the main city but it's expanded rapidly in the last 50 years into Egor and Ikpoba Okha even more recently into Ovia North East and Uhuwonde which are over 2000kilometres2 each. communities from Ovia North East like Oghede, Evboutubu, Ugbiyioko, Utagban, Okhuwmun, Uholor, Egbean,Iguadolor,Ogheghe,Ovah,Oluku, Evbuomore and others. All these are in Ovia North East alone. And they became part of Benin city in the last 15 years . In fact Evboutubu and Ugbiyioko can form stand alone cities
Cry me a river. All these places are not just being associated with Benin City.. They are close communities occupied by Bini speaking people
Bottomline is Benin City is not larger than Rome Stop your drug induced delusions
Did you notice neither you nor them were able to present proof of the Guinness book of records where this was supposedly declared.
Clowns saying the Benin wall is 4x longer than the longest wall in the world
Benin and delusions saying it is 10,000 miles in length while the actual longest wall is only 2,150 miles plus 2,193 miles of branches and spurs
Benin and in their Delusional state want us to believe Benin had a wall more than 10x the length of Britain Shey na ment, are you guys on drugs or something?
Ologbo147: I guess this is the simple definition of a metropolitan. That 1204 is the whole of Oredo, Egor, large part of Ikpoba Okha which forms the major parts of the city,and a few part of Uhuwonde . We cannot therefore say that the 1204 is or was just the present Benin, Benin has rapidly urbanized in the last couple of Years, many communities from large lGAs like Uhuwonde, and Ovia North east have urbanized rapidly. Therefore the 1204 is no longer obtainable for Benin today, soon enough the whole of ten thousand kilometres2 Edo south will be refered to as Benin city maybe in ten years time. From Uniben which is in Ovia North east down to Ekiadolor today is refered to as Benin city, territories that were not formerly parts of Benin have urbanized in the last 15 years and is now refered to as Benin city. The Present Benin of today cannot be less than 3000 kilometres 2
Lmao therefore the 1,204 km is even already outside the core city
Ologbo147: ]The Benin empire is reckoned with the largest man made structure on Earth! At least that is something to hold on to for a civilization from Nigeria
Proove this by presenting the declaration by Guinness book of records.
Ologbo147: Rome is 1285 kilometres 2 Benin is bigger than that
Rome is 1,285km Rome metropolitan area is 5,363km Benin has no metropolitan area as Edo state has no proper urban planning. It is simply the city which is 1,204km
So no, whichever way you look at it, your brother was wrong.. Benin is not larger than Rome in anyway Infact, I correct myself.. Rome is over 4x larger than Benin
samuk: Benin greatness was recorded by the Europeans that invented the word greatness.
Benin entered the Guinness book of world records to have built the greatest monument on earth pre mechanical era.
No amount of photographs of the Ooni can change this simple fact.
Yoruba is a modern day political creation.
Benin is ancient.
There is 400 years historical gap between Benin and Oyo.
None of the Europeans that visited west Africa since the 1300s witnessed the so called Oyo empire. We are not going to accept that Oyo was an empire because you made such claim.
Benin is still bigger than what remains of Rome, this doesn't change the face that Rome like Benin was a great empire that influence the world.
When we talk of world empires that created and built world class monuments, Egypt, Rome and Benin are mentioned but Oyo is not on that list.
Amongst Egypt, Rome and Benin, the Benin monument was recognised by guinness book of records as the greatest, consuming 100 times more material than the pyramid of Egypt.
If not for British that lumped everyone together in Nigeria, Benin have no business being discussed alongside any yoruba town historically.
Bini people and delusions.
Which Guinness book of records mentioned any monument from Benin? Show me a page from said Guinness book. Mind you I have access to all editions of the Guinness book of World records. So I will disgrace you here if you lie.
Benin and your delusions Benin is bigger than what remains of Rome?? Lmao You mean Rome the capital of Italy? With a metropolitan area over 3x larger than Benin city ??
Benin and grandios delusions Imagine putting a small medieval kingdom like Benin in comparison with ancient giants like Egypt and Rome So Benin is like top 3 biggest ancient civilizations when it's not even ancient, nor is it as a medieval kingdom top 5 amongst medieval Kingdoms in West Africa
But didn't scholes0 already teach you that it is produced in other parts of yorubaland?
They don't call it Ògìrì in Lagos doesn't mean it is not still a native Yoruba item And besides, they actually do call it "ògìrì" in Lagos, the issue is that you won't find it easily in Lagos.
samuk: Incase what I wrote is too much for you to grasp, let me unpack it little by little.
1. Yoruba claimed that Oyo was an empire.
I am saying that outside of this Yoruba claim and few hearsay, there are no independent eyewitnesses to this so called Oyo empire.
2. Apart from the yoruba making this claim, the Europeans who visited Nigeria and West Africa region between 1400s to 1800s never witnessed your so called Oyo empire. All that was ever written by Europeans were hearsay accounts.
3. If Oyo empire existed, it would have been visited by the various Europeans that repeatedly visited Benin between 1400s to 1800s.
4. Benin was one of few Africa/Black civilisation without the influence of the Middle East. Most Africa civilisations are tainted by middle eastern civilisation.
5. Yoruba couldn't even create a fictitious Ife civilisation without importing an Oduduwa from the middle eastern countries of Saudi Arabia or Egypt.
6. Benin was the only black civilisation in the Nigeria space.
7. Oyo wasn't an empire, no one knows about Oyo empire outside of Nigeria, Oyo empire only exists in the imagination of yoruba people.
8. Benin is known and studied worldwide.
Lmao It must be really frustrating to try to deliver any of these 8 points when everyone except online Bini miscreants know better
samuk: You should have simply asked for proof and allow me to lecture you as usual.
You should have known by now that I don't just make claims I can't back up with proofs.
There are no independent eyewitnesses to the so called Oyo empire. When the British arrived Oyo for the the first time in 1824, they met an alaafin that was being terrorised by his neighbours. The Alaafin had requested/begged and was waiting for Oba of Benin army to come save him and his people.
If you want reference to the eyewitness historical account, let me know.
Lmao
And this is Eye witness historical account that Oyo was never an empire?
How is that even possible Lmao, think about what you just said, like think about that very well
samuk: Oyo empire is just another yoruba lie. Oyo was a little village who was constantly being terrorised by her neighbours, the Alaafin often relied on the Oba of Benin military strength because Oyo paid tributes to Benin.
scholes0: lol another Benin on the rampage to steal Yoruba heritage. Obalufon and Obatala are Benin characters I guess..... Better go back to your Ogie title if you want to be seen as real Igodomigodo.
the way inferiority complex chokes them and their aggressive psychological response to that every single day is just laughable
They can't even read the room, that nobody takes them seriously
UGBE634: And how does " Ogbo"relates to that? This is true and it is because they are related languages (yoruba, Edo, Igbo and all)that is different from Olu's argument
Loreettaa: Everyone expects you to be bad mannered. If you're good mannered and very beautiful, it's too good to be true. You're pretending.
Everyone expects you to be getting constant male attention. Meanwhile, most men are very wary of extremely good looking women and would rather approach average ones to boost their ego.
People can't just accept it that you're single. Like singularly single. Somehow, they think you're lying because they expect men to be flooding your DM.
Others expect you to use your beauty to secure privilege. "How can a beautiful lady like you be jobless? Or broke?" they say.
Men think you're getting constant sex. Especially if you have a pretty face with a "hot" body. It's almost unbelievable if she's fair skinned and claims to be a virgin.
You can add your own.
So approaching beautiful women does not boost ego? Maybe the character of the woman comes to play in why men avoid them
Jollylolly: Who are you naw? lol A whole sec of state of US had to come down to Abuja from USA to see Buhari and Him. These people dey rate themselves too much. Spits
He's a citizen. The president and his vice work for the citizens
Essentially, we are their employers - that is who he is.
UGBE634: Olu you are pathetic, I wonder what you look like in real life, any Edo who sees that will know you are a misguided misfit.
What is helping you is that Bini is not a majority group where the influence of the language spreads to other non native speakers, such that they can understand the language and burst your lies. Illiterate you would not know that there are similar sounding words in every tribe that means different things and sometimes mean the same thing but are indigenous to those tribes.
Ogbo ato is forever not similar to Ugha tor(let me leave baba Macof to play the game of diacritic for you) . Ugha as a word is used outside "tor", you can say "Ugha yo do a" will you go there?, "Ugha kpee a" will you stay long?
It can also be used for affirmative sentences outside "tor" it is an all encompassing word and it is used everyday for prayers and all, it is a prima Edo word. which means "you will", in pidgin "you go". an Edo man praying for his son who just married can say "Ugha mion omo bie" perfect literal translation would be "you go see pikin born" "Ugha bowa o"-you will build a house.
You carefully forge your lies around minority groups because you know it might get unnoticed for long. Olu indeed you are pathetic
Essentially
Ugha is "Ìwọ (a)" in Yorùbá
These are two cognates and the evolution from a common etymon is obvious when one realises that /w/ is rendered as /gh/ and /i/ to /u/ in Eastern yorubaland going eastwards into Edoid territories It is all a dialect continuum
PrinceOgun: Benin created thrones in yorubaland , that one you posted is one of them , I never knew the Benin Empire reached kwara, I know the empire had dominion over ondo and ekiti but ........kwara wow
It did not.
And when you say over Ondo and Ekiti, be mindful that it is not all of Ondo and Ekiti
absoluteSuccess: This is called "alibi" before the law. I expect you to press charges against me. I'm expecting to hear from your lawyer all this while.
You have my number and now you know my shop. Just in case, you should know every call from your men are intactly saved.
The way you tagged some people above is the same way you've been sending my details to your killer squad for tracking.
Your days are numbered, the arms of the law will catch up with you.
Can you stop mentioning me to your schizophrenic episodes I am not responsible for your misfortunes and mental health issues
SundayNightGist: Honestly, I used to believe some things belonged to the red light district. Or is it just me? Seeing that I was raised a church boy with little to no experience chiking babes, I couldn’t imagine myself ever dating a girl that now makes me think twice. Like, am I now mad or what? How did I get here?
Since I met this my new girl, it’s just been as if the veil of "ignorance" is beginning to fall off my face; abi guy man don dey spoil go be that ni?
Or how else can I explain to this honorable forum that my current girlfriend, though a manager at her company, likes to wear waist-beads? I mean she even wears it to work!
Although I somehow like the sight of it on her waist, I just can’t get the idea of thinking she might be a corporate olosho out of my head. This thing is sowing seeds of mistrust in me and I really don’t know what to do again. And it’s not like I haven’t told her. Everytime I do she will just look at me with a side-eye, rub my head, and laugh briefly. Shey I never carry load wey no be my own like this? Abi na my mind? Make e no be say na person glory dey on the line so o. The thing dey fear me walahi.
Nairalanders please advise a brother urgently.
Confused immature and ignorant. Better leave the girl to find someone better
moscobabs: Folorunsho Olabisi body was declared missing during the EndSARS , his relative says his body was found in a hospital which we later discovered it was lie cos the hospital debunked the rumour
The panel needs to be queried
And how can a big and fully functioning hospital not have a morgue, its usually in the basement. You don't expect them to keep dead bodies on a sick bed with other patients until the family comes to identify the corpse and pick it up... Who knows how long that would take? People die on a frequent basis in big hospitals, and they cannot keep a corpse laying in the environment of other patients
Culture › Re: Ilorin And Lokoja Are Yoruba Towns. by macof(m): 5:30pm On Dec 14, 2021
more delusions.
