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Empiree:
Allah is God for short. Allah is God of heavens and earth. No one shares in His dominion. He is The First and the Last. He is the Creator of all that exist. Different people from different background can call him any Names - so long as the Names are not contaminated.



("Invoke Allah or invoke Ar-Rahman (the Most Gracious), by whatever name you invoke Him (it is the same), for to Him belong the Best Names.) ~ Holy Qur'an




You see, your last summary shows that you stalled and you are at crossroad. It is clear that Christians have no idea who Jesus really was. I just have to commend you for your time and effort. You gave your best shot. Thanks for your time.

Rilwayne001:
Wouldve loved to burst this lie, but of what benefit would it be?
Abegi, carry your lie dey go.

Empiree:
And in the verse you quoted and your explanation, where does it say Jesus is God?. Thats all i want to hear. Muslims have no problem Jesus is messiah. Quran also says he is messiah.

Messiah by definition means:

1. the promised and expected deliverer of the Jewish people.

2.Jesus Christ, regarded by Christians as fulfilling this promise and expectation. John 4:25, 26.

3.(usually lowercase) any expected deliverer.

4.(usually lowercase) a zealous leader of some cause or project.


1. the promised deliverer of the Jewish nation prophesied in the Hebrew Bible.

2. a leader or savior of a particular group or cause.

Malvis, let me ask you this. It seems you are hiding your creed or it seems you do not believe Jesus is God, you do not believe in "trinity". Yes or No?

Ayishatreal:
Waalaikum Sallam Warahmotullah Wabarakatuh. OP, Your post is in the wrong section (Christianity section). It'll be better if you move it to the appropriate section before you get the bashing of your life. Meanwhile, @ poster above me, I already accept Jesus Christ as a Prophet & Messenger of Allah. Proudly Muslimah,

malvisguy212:
we no the reason why God created adam, to multiply the earth, what about Jesus?if Jesus is just an ordinary prophet, why will God Allowed him to born of a virgin when human are in existence?

malvisguy212:
Weldon my sister, long time .

malvisguy212:
In the middle of the confusion of the war on terrorism is the question of the nature of the religion of Islam. Some say that it is a peaceful religion at its heart, that only the fringe extremists are bent on war.

One side claims that "jihad" means a
personal struggle against evil in one's
behavior. Others claim that it means
conquest of the part of the world that is
not Muslim, by whatever means
necessary, including acts of terror.

Both sides refer to specific passages in
the Koran for support. For the soul winner, these are not the important issues. Bible believers are asking, "How can we reach Muslims with the gospel which will solve their struggle against evil?"

One way involves God's love.The biblical concept of God loving the sinner, is
FOREIGN TO MUSLIM THINKING. To them, Allah is "compassionate" and "merciful," BUT only to those who obey him.

Their relationship to Allah is not as father and son but more as MASTER AND SLAVE. Allah is not pictured in the quran as a loving Creator, longing for an intimate relationship with man.

Biblical concepts found in John 3:16, 1
John 4:6-10 ("God is love" and in the
Lord's prayer where we address God as
"Our Father" are nowhere found in
Muslim thinking. Muslims memorize the
"99 beautiful names of Allah,"BUT "love"
or "loving" is no where in that list.

"The love of God is the chief attribute of the biblical God as revealed in such places as John 3:16.God has feelings for his creatures, especially man"

But when we turn to the Quran, we do
not find love presented as the chief
attribute of Allah. Instead, the
transcendence of Allah is his chief
attribute.

"Neither does Allah 'have feelings'
toward man. That concept is foreign to
Islamic teaching. That would reduce
Allah to being a mere man -which again
is blasphemous to a Muslim."

"The greatest difference between the two faiths is the personal quality of God," writes Emir and Ergun Caner in Unveiling Islam. "ONE MUST LOVE Allah IN ORDER FOR Allah TO LOVE THAT PERSON IN RETURN .In Christianity, God loved people first in order to secure their salvation"

The story that Jesus told of the prodigal
son illustrates a side of God that is
foreign to the followers of Allah. The
Quran states flatly that "Allah loves NOT those who reject Faith"(surah 3:32).
"The Muslim can be totally sure that
Allah will never restore a believer who
has rejected the faith of Islam," we must show the Muslim that Allah offers "no love, no sure forgiveness of sins and only empty dreams of a false paradise."

Only Jesus, the God of the Bible, loved us while were yet sinners,offering sure forgiveness, and eternal life with a loving heavenly Father.

malvisguy212:
Jesus is a very important figure in Islam.
Muslims believe, Jesus is just a prophet,
He was merely a prophet, a prophet
whose second coming will bring about
Allah’s judgement on the human race.

In the fourth book of the Quran, al-Nisa
(or “The Women”), we are told that Jesus
never died on the cross. Instead, Allah is a gifted trickster. Behold:

Quran 4:157 And [for] their saying, “Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.” And they did not kill him, nor did
they crucify him;but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.
Quran 4:158 Rather, Allah raised him to Himself. And ever is Allah Exalted in
Might and Wise.

No reason were given why Jesus was snatch from death. Allah couldn’t wait a few more days for Jesus to be executed. He needed Jesus in heaven right away. But he also needed Jesus to be executed. The solution? Snatch Jesus
from earth right now and pick someone else to wear Jesus’ face long enough to fool the executioners and the Jews.

In completing this absurd trick, Allah
must’ve known the following:

The crucifixion of Jesus would be used to create Christianity,the largest religion
the world has ever known–a rival religion, mind you. So it was all a ruse to
trick people into following the LARGEST
religion. Unfortunately for these cursed
Christian souls, Allah waited another 600 years before bothering to mention that the Divine Jesus myth in the bible was all a lie.

Those who died Prior to the coming of muhammed to clear this out , who's gonna take the blame for their unbelief ? Allah for tricking the Jews or satan ?

vzkpswaqnkhgytd:
(2:106) For whatever verse We might abrogate or consign to oblivion, We bring a better one or the like of it. Are you not aware that Allah is All-Powerful?


This is in response to a doubt which the Jews tried to implant in the minds of the Muslims. If both the earlier Scriptures and the Qur'an were revelations from God, why was it - they asked - that the injunctions found in the earlier Scriptures had been replaced by new ones in the Qur'an? How could the same God issue divergent injunctions?

Furthermore, they expressed their amazement at the Qur'anic indictment of the Jews and Christians for having allowed part of the revelation to be forgotten and lost, pointing out that it was impossible that Divine revelation should be erased from human memory. In all this, their motive was not to know the truth but to cast doubt on the Divine origin of the Qur'an.

In refutation God states that He being the Absolute Sovereign has unlimited authority both to abrogate previous injunctions and to cause people to forget the injunctions He wants them to forget. However, God ensures that whatever He abrogates or causes to be erased from people's memories is replaced by something equally or even more beneficial.

Empiree:
Good. Jesus is NOT God, period. Correct?

malvisguy212:
The Greek term for "firstborn" is
prototokos. Firstborn of all creation does NOT mean christ was "born first" or created first, NO it refer to christ POSITION of SUPREMACY by virtue
of the fact that He is the Creator of all
things and everything came through Him
, see verse 16. The word "firstborn" in Colossians 1:15 refers to positional priority not temporal priority. For example In Psalm 89:27 King
David is placed as FIRSTBORN,but David
was actually the last-born son of Jesse.
Isreal is call "FIRSTBORN" but Israel was not the first nation that God brought into existence, but POSITIONALLY as God's chosen and privileged nation
Israel was supreme.

The simply conclusion in colossian 1 was, the word firstborn was NOT use to described chronological oder of event. It was use to express Christ's priority as the CREATOR because all OTHER created being came through HIM as verse 16 say and I quote:

" FOR IN HIM ALL THINGS WERE CREATED : things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been
created THROUGH HIM and for him. "

There is a Greek word which means FIRST CREATED (protoktistos) but Paul did not use this word of Christ.

Santi222:
That is a photo shopped picture. I suspect the original image of unclad people is from the Holocaust (WW 2) The Man dressed in black is either a German SS personnel or he was sort of edited into the blank space in the picture.

Ioannes:
and u?

Ioannes:
and u?

Ioannes:
lol. Islam is not a christian denomination. I'm unapologetically Catholic.

facheux:
Trinity is pagan from satan, disgusting

An2elect2:
That has been done severally on this forum but the dog will always return to its vomit I will not waste my time with the same people over and over again.

As for the poster i quoted i only sided with him based on his post on this thread. If at any time i see him speaking against the truth i'll do what is needed.

Lastly, Gombs is not my brother in the Lord. God forbid.

Ioannes:
OK bro, it's obvious we won't yield for each other, which is understandable. let's just agree to disagree.

Scholar8200:
Philipians 2:13 sets it in perspective:

For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

God works in us through our faith and we express the same by cooperating with Him! That is why It is written:

13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Romans 8:13

Summarily, the works are described thus:

3 remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;
1Thess 1:3

The absence of these works means the absence of saving faith!

Ioannes:
I'm sorry but all these your merry-go-round does not explain why Paul said we should work out our salvation. if my salvation is already assured why should I work it out?

Ioannes:
so in other words, I can commit as much sin as I like, as I long as I have "accepted Jesus as my lord and savior" I can't lose the salvation I already have?

malvisguy212:
(James understood work as the RESULT OF SALVATION: a person does good works because he is saved)
James wrote how a beliver can show, his faith is genuine, in other word, a beliver can show how is faith is real.

yazach:
Dindinrin, you can not differentiate between Prayer and Worship.
That is your problem

And besides why must you go to church on sunday!!!

Ioannes:
...and James 2:14-26?

Ioannes:
you conveniently ignored the part that said WORK out your salvation. why WORK out something that is already assured and you can't lose when you read that working out part with the rest of the sentence, then you see that the translation of humility you are trying to impose on fear and trembling is not justified.

what does Paul mean to Work out our salvation

Oh and btw, as a corroboration of my point, why did James say in the book of James chapter 2 vs 14-26 that "Faith without good works is dead"

Lukmann:
Those whose evil deeds outweighs their gud deeds but were never disbelievers in d oneness of Allah Would be rescued from hell after a while but d disbeliever will languish therein for enternity.i hope dat answers your question..

maverickboy:
Let the sleeping dog lies.

lalasticlala:
Not at all. If u had a link to where u got it from, I would have helped u arrange it. If u wrote it urself, it's poorly formatted

Ioannes:
I'm sorry but that isn't the answer to my poser.

why did Paul say "...WORK out your salvation in FEAR and TREMBLING"?

I hope you know the meaning of "to work out something".

and why in FEAR AND TREMBLING if it's just a proof of something that is already there.