Christianity Etc › Re: Muslims, Is This True? by malvisguy212: 11:44am On Mar 01, 2016 |
YourMain: Yes Hes a just judge. His mercy is earned. He doesn't give to to criminals. this is a joke, how can you earn mercy ? |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Tri-unity Of God And The Work Of Salvation. by malvisguy212(op): 11:17am On Mar 01, 2016 |
malvisguy212: Give me prove that other prophet are called the word of God, if we are to agree with your logic here, there are more than hundreds of prophet, surly , at lest one or two should've been call, the word of God or spirit of God, BUT NO, no one is address in this manner only JESUS, why ?
Thomas and the blind man worship jesus, did jesus rebuke them ? See, you do not understand the word of God, in fact, among the muslims I've chat with, you are the most ignorant. When jesus say God is one, those is mean He is not God ? Jesus is making reference of the false gods of this world.
YES, in the prophetic office, God is greater than jesus, but in NATURE, they are equal. Let me give you example. Is muhammed buhari greater than you in office ? Yes. But in times of holiness, is buhari better than you ? I tell you the truth, if you don't know the father of jesus christ, you do not know the true God. given the fact that jesus is the last prophet of God according to the bible, at lest other prophet should've been call the word or God, But no, only jesus is address like this manner, did you read how the angel gabriel address mary because she is having jesus in her womb ? The quran record the virgin birth, but of what purpose ?why is jesus call the "pure son" |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Tri-unity Of God And The Work Of Salvation. by malvisguy212(op): 11:12am On Mar 01, 2016 |
bulldoza: Use your head man! How is it difficult for you to comprehend SIMPLE LOGIC? Every message delivered by the messenger is the WORD OF GOD. Stop confusing your. There's nothing very special about Jesus compared to other messengers e.g David, moses e.t.c. They are all word of God. The only thing special about Jesus is his birth which the Qur'an acknowledged. If vp osinbajo represents Buhari in an occasion, will he continue to say "Buhari said"? In that wise, is osinbajo = to Buhari? No Jesus did not come on his own. He said he was sent by God. In the 8th chapter of John, Jesus in his word said" I didn't come ON MY OWN BUT SENT BY GOD" .... Did he say he came to be worshipped? Did his disciples worshipped him? Did he worship himself? How ridiculous and blasphemous  For God so love the world that he sent his only begotten son to come and die for the world. Must anyone be kill to appease God? Can God be killed? Why didn't God come on his own to come and die? Must any blood be shed? Who did for the people of Noah before God forgave them? Jesus SAID HE DIDN'T COME TO BE SERVED AS GOD. Mathews 20:28 Just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, [s] and to give his life as a ransom for many." [/s] Rubbish
How can Jesus christ be God when Jesus himself preached that God is ONE. Where did you people see trinity in the Bible?
Jesus christ was tempted by the Devil 3 times. How can the Devil tempt God? Does it make any sense?
Question: "If Jesus was God, why did He say "The Father is greater than I" in John 14:28?" [/s] Give me prove that other prophet are called the word of God, if we are to agree with your logic here, there are more than hundreds of prophet, surly , at lest one or two should've been call, the word of God or spirit of God, BUT NO, no one is address in this manner only JESUS, why ? Thomas and the blind man worship jesus, did jesus rebuke them ? See, you do not understand the word of God, in fact, among the muslims I've chat with, you are the most ignorant. When jesus say God is one, those is mean He is not God ? Jesus is making reference of the false gods of this world. YES, in the prophetic office, God is greater than jesus, but in NATURE, they are equal. Let me give you example. Is muhammed buhari greater than you in office ? Yes. But in times of holiness, is buhari better than you ? I tell you the truth, if you don't know the father of jesus christ, you do not know the true God. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic Paradise Of Sex, Sin And Sensuality by malvisguy212(op): 10:58am On Mar 01, 2016 |
chiefolododo: If a Muslim man receive 72virgins , how many men will a Muslim woman receive ? I just want to know Surah 56:17-18: “They will be served by immortal BOYS, With cups, and jugs, and a glass from the flowing wine.” (Hilali-Khan) |
Christianity Etc › Islamic Paradise Of Sex, Sin And Sensuality by malvisguy212(op): 9:52am On Mar 01, 2016 |
To entice his followers to fight in suicidal raids and wars, Muhammad created an image of Islamic paradise that made it difficult for his followers to resist, The promise of everlasting sex with virgins. Muhammad knew for sure that sex would sell very well among his warriors.
Surah 4:24:“Also forbidden for you are married women, EXCEPT those who have fallen in your hands as PRISONERS OF WAR .”
Still the risk of death discourage some Muslims from participating in Allah’s wars. Hence, Muhammad came up with an ingenious solution to the problem. Thus, Muhammad designed an evil plan. He excited his believers with these promises:
Surah 44:54: “Thus (shall it be), and We will wed them with Houris, pure, beautiful ones"
The above quranic verse are in harmony with this hadith:
Sunan al-Tirmidhi, Hadith Number 3834: Narrated by Al-Miqdam ibn Ma’dikarib: Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) said, “THE MARTYR RECEIVES SIX GOOD THINGS: he is forgiven at the first shedding of his blood; he is shown his abode in Paradise; he is preserved from the punishment in the grave; he is kept safe from the greatest terror; he has placed on his head the crown of honor, a ruby of which is better than the world and what it contains; he is married to SEVENTY-TWO WIVES OF THE MAIDENS WITH LARGE DARK EYES of ; and is made intercessor for seventy of his relatives.”
Muhammad was able to preach his message effectively using sex as a commodity in exchange for his men’s support to fight his battles, is a win win situation in fighting for Allah cause. Should a muslim fight, he will get his shear among the prisoners of war. Should the muslim got martyr in allah cause, he will be awarded with even beautiful virgin, it is not uncommon to hear Muslims say in boast to the infidels, “We love death more than you love life.” A religion that encourages death can only come from the one who brought death to the human race. The Bible describes death as an enemy. ( 1 Corinthians 15:26).
1 corinthians 15:25 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.
Sensuality in the Koran inspires young Muslim men to die for Allah’s cause. A Holy God will never resort to sexual incentive as a means to secure believers. This is absolutely improper and blasphemous to the concept of Divine Holiness. However, in the Koran we find Allah promising Muslim men with pleasures of the flesh, both in this life and in the life to come. This makes Islam a very carnal religion. |
Christianity Etc › Re: 1 Million Naira To Whoever Can Prove Any Of The Following by malvisguy212: 6:48am On Mar 01, 2016 |
[quote author=Alwaystrue post=43373171][/quote]wonderful, Nice one. Thank you. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Tri-unity Of God And The Work Of Salvation. by malvisguy212(op): 6:44am On Mar 01, 2016 |
bulldoza: You're beginning to sound ignorant
What has this quote got to the with the points and questions asked Any correlations? the quran call Him the word of God and the spirit of God. How do you reconcile this title with jesus being the son of God ? |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Tri-unity Of God And The Work Of Salvation. by malvisguy212(op): 6:41am On Mar 01, 2016 |
bulldoza: [/s] Lol! Very silly deductions
You forgot it came out of a narration
" [19:19] He said, "I am the messenger of your Lord, to grant you a pure son." [19:20] She said, "How can I have a son, when no man has touched me; I have never been unchaste. "....
To the point Is God a man? According to the bible, God is NOT a man. Number 23:19.
Is Jesus christ a man? According to the bible, YES Acts 2:22
According to the bible again, Jesus is seen as a SERVANT OF GOD AND NOT A SON Mathews 19:18 Acts 3:13 Acts 3:26 (ONLY the conman King James have a different opinion)
So who is deceiving who here? In John 1:1 the bible say the Word WAS God. And in verse 14 the bible say and the Word BECAME Flesh. If you are educated, you will know what this mean. Did men see jesus when He was the Word ? NO, men BEGAN to see him when He became Flesh. Jesus is FULLY man and FULLY God. In micah 5:2 the bible say: “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans[a] of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel,whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.” FULLY MAN: He was to be born in bathlehem at a specific period of time, this prove the messiah is a man. FULLY GOD: His origin is unknown, "from ancient times" just as isaiah say, the everlasting father. Being a servant is a choice He made. Philipians 2:6-9 6 Who, being IN THE FORM OF GOD, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, AND TOOK UPON HIM THE FORM OF A SERVANT , and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he HUMBLE HIMSELF, and became obedient OBEDIENT UNTO DEATH, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Tri-unity Of God And The Work Of Salvation. by malvisguy212(op): 10:09pm On Feb 29, 2016 |
bulldoza: Is the word son
How can you people use your reasoning and believe that the all loving and all forgiven God needs his son to yo sacrificed (killed in cold blood by the people he is angry with) for him to forgive us our sins?. Senseless! If you claim to be Christ like, how does Jesus pray when he was alive? Did he call himself God? Did his disciples worship him? Did his disciples see him as God? "I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him. "And to Him was given dominion, Glory and a kingdom, That all the peoples, nations, and men of every language Might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed. ( Daniel 7:13-14) Obviously, if the Son of Man were only human, He would not be able to establish an eternal kingdom. Likewise, He would not be able to convince all peoples to serve Him. Such abilities and honors are reserved for God alone. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Tri-unity Of God And The Work Of Salvation. by malvisguy212(op): 10:03pm On Feb 29, 2016 |
bulldoza: Is the word son
How can you people use your reasoning and believe that the all loving and all forgiven God needs his son to yo sacrificed (killed in cold blood by the people he is angry with) for him to forgive us our sins?. Senseless! If you claim to be Christ like, how does Jesus pray when he was alive? Did he call himself God? Did his disciples worship him? Did his disciples see him as God? The word is the son of God, which other prophet is given this title reserve for God alone ? Both the quran and the Bible tell us very clearly that Jesus had no human father. We must therefore ask ourselves this vital question, “Since Jesus is addressed as a ‘son’ by the angel Gabriel both in the Qur’an (Surah 19:19) and in the Bible (Luke 1:35), whose son is he?” Is it Mary’s? In Surah 19:19, the angel Gabriel said to Mary: “I am only a messenger of thy Lord, to announce to thee the gift of a holy son.” Here, Gabriel refers to a son who was to be given as a “gift” by God to Mary. Since the Koran makes it very clear that the son is a gift from God, it shows that Mary was only the recipient of that gift. She is not the source of that gift but God. The gift belongs to God. The gift was a son. Therefore,the son belongs to God which means the son was His or His son. In other words, God’s son. This testifies to the Gospel truth that Jesus is the Son of God. John 5:18 18 For this reason therefore the Jews bwere seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God. |
Christianity Etc › Re: He Doesn't Convict You Of Sin by malvisguy212: 6:42pm On Feb 29, 2016 |
Gombs: My aim of posting this is 1. to teach alot others out there 2. to let you know that the Holy Spirit DOES NOT convict Christians. That's not His job.
these said, i had no plans dragging this with you. 
By the way, Joseph Prince gave you a challenge.. Show one place in the bible where the holy spirit convicts a christian of sin... Oblige him the Holy spirit cannot convict christians, I mean a born again christian. What sin is in him ( the christian) to convict ? |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Tri-unity Of God And The Work Of Salvation. by malvisguy212(op): 6:23pm On Feb 29, 2016 |
bulldoza: Here we go again The usually bullshıts
Are we not using a reference book? Bible and Qur'an? Is it not writing in the translation we understand (English)?
You people just like obey laws that suits your lifestyle....
Hypocrisy why not response to scholar post ? The op did not quote quran, you bring it up. The quran identified jesus as the word and spirit of God. Surah 4:171: “Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of God, and HIS WORD, which he bestowed on Mary, and a SPIRIT PEOCEEDING FROM HIM: so believe in God and His apostles.” (Yusuf Ali) In Surah 4:171, Jesus is called, “His Word.” And "a spirit proceeding from Him" Centuries before the Qur’an came into existence, this same title was given to Jesus in the Bible: John 1:14: “And the WORD BECAME FLESH and made is dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son who came from the father, and he was full of undeserved kindness and truth.” But what is the reason jesus is call the Word and Spirit of God ? How do you reconcile the "Son of God" with this title given to jesus ? NO other prophet were address in this manner, ONLY jesus, WHY?? Why is jesus soo special ? I tell you the truth, if you don't know the father of Jesus, you do not know the true God. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Tri-unity Of God And The Work Of Salvation. by malvisguy212(op): 4:31pm On Feb 29, 2016 |
jazzboi: Owk now I get it...Jesus is the son of god while the other children of Mary are step sons and daughters of god.. see you on judgment day..till then,CHEERS!! canal man. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Tri-unity Of God And The Work Of Salvation. by malvisguy212(op): 10:57am On Feb 29, 2016 |
Scholar8200: to me, this is a compliment! 
Yes because the Messenger in this case is the Message!
Against Who?
Oh you mean the one chronicled in the failed 'gospel of Barnabas'?
Another compliment! Thanks bro; keep em coming!
Yes He came to fulfil (not the same as obey; go search for the difference).
Do you know what that highlighted means and its implication for religions with abundance of externals?
Jesus also said this: 35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? 36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? 37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. 38 And he said, [size=14pt]Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him[/size].
John 9:35-37
What then?
Sure, the righteousness of the law is fufilled in us who, after believing on the Lord, walk after the Spirit!
Yes, the average Israelite knew that. But why didnt they stone David and Isaiah when they said respectively:
The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool Psalm 110:1
Remember Jesus quoted this in Matthew 22:42-44 as a reference to the Christ!
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6
This is like saying Jesus never spoke French so those that call God, Dieu are saying what Jesus never said.
Why Would He?
As regards His earthly life, get this down:
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Philippians 2:5-9
He related differently with discernment. so, before you flee and try to establish claims on one encounter, try to balance everything!
35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? 36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? 37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. 38 And he said, [size=14pt]Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him[/size].
John 9:35-37
All these was because the Word was made flesh and He humbled Himself. Show me where He spoke on this wise after rsurrection or in Revelations and I will believe you!
You mean teachings like: 47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. John 5:47 Who EVER said this before Jesus?
12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of [size=14pt]the world[/size]: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. John 8:12 Not only of Israel!
Pray? Who said this: And [size=14pt]when ye stand praying[/size], forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. Mark 11:25
Jesus also said this to a woman who believed in worshipping in a mountain etc : 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. John 4:23 Not in forms and rites and prayers by rote. As regards the latter, He even said:
But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Matthew 6:7
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16
And yet He stood to receive the first martyr Stephen? And yet in Revelations He sent messages to 7 churches? Indeed, the Jesus you are talking about is the ,'another Jesus' or one of the many false Christs Jesus and His Apostles warned us about!
The Gospel is Jesus Christ and the Redemption He accomplished on the Cross! Millions have received, believed and sailed into Eternal glory!!! Why not join them?
Let me ask you a question which your ustadh have been avoiding, why or for what teaching were the Apostles and disciples of Jesus persecuted and martyred?
Not when the Messenger is the Message!
1. Show me your basis for claiming Jesus was a Muslim with reference to His Apostles; 2. On what basis do you tag Paul a confusionist? List at least 5 grounds.
Yes but God still preserved His Word and we have it with us! excellent bro. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Tri-unity Of God And The Work Of Salvation. by malvisguy212(op): 10:52am On Feb 29, 2016 |
jazzboi: You have said it all. May Allah grant you Favour in this world and hereafter.
This were the same points I picked when I was still a christian,infact a sunday school teacher for that matter.
Christianity is an act of following the Messenger and not the Messages.
I wonder how someone thinks Jesus came to wipe away sins,that god supposedly sacrificed his only son just to be able to forgive them. The question they should ask is how did the people of NOAH get their sins forgiven after joining in the boat? They never needed to share blood,what God needed was their change of ways. There were so many sinners before christ that God forgave their sins withou blood shed.
Saying God used his 'son' Jesus to help us clear our sins is like saying a company borrowed funds from its own operational account to fund a project. What's the essense of killing your only son when you still the one that all sins to be forgiven comes from. Well,Alhamdulilah for everything. you don't know what you are saying, do you know who jesus is ? Is jesus message in the quran ? Compear muhammed life and the rest prophet lifstyle, do you still belive he is a prophet ? When you call the name of muhammed, why do you add 'pbuh' ? How can you invoke peace on someone who you claim is in heaven ? Contrast it with the peace jesus gave when he say , " MY PEACE I GIVE unto you NOT as the WORLD GIVE" Which type of prophet will prophesied hell for his followers ? Surah 19:71: “It is the inevitable decree of your Lord that every one of you will be taken to hell.” Compear were jesus promise His followers heavenly home. If jesus is not the son of God, then whose son is He ? |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Tri-unity Of God And The Work Of Salvation. by malvisguy212(op): 10:31am On Feb 29, 2016 |
QTEST007: So inspiring! Am confused about religion! Been a christian all my life, a bible scholar as a matter of fact,I've never had anyone challenged my faith the way this guy just did. why are you lying? You are not even a christian talkless of a bible scholar. If you are a bible scholar as you claim, you must have read were jesus claim equality with God, and there are many verse were the title reserve for God alone is given to jesus, in the book of hebrew the father call the son "God". he writer of Hebrews said so: “But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever:" |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Tri-unity Of God And The Work Of Salvation. by malvisguy212(op): 10:51pm On Feb 28, 2016 |
bulldoza: You Christians are just so obsessed with Jesus. Instead of focusing on the MESSAGE, you people placed priorities on the MESSENGER. THIS IS BLASPHEMY! And on the last day, Jesus himself will deny you people because he won't allow you people put him in trouble. Jesus Christ is not God. Jesus christ is only a messenger of God almighty. stop deceiving yourselves with bullshıts and go and look for the truth Jesus talked about. You Christians are just hypocrites. You condemned many laws of the old testament. Jesus never condemned the laws, in fact, he said that he came for the fulfillment of the Mosaic laws: Mathew 5:17-20 reads: “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.” These are Jesus’ words, from his lips. But what did Christians say? What do they believe? Do they talk about the fulfillment of these laws? They better be because if they don’t, according to Jesus, “they shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven”. Jesus teaches the unity of God; the oneness of God. In the 12th chapter of Mark, it was reported that a man came to Jesus and asked him: “which is the first of the commandments”? and Jesus answered: “The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord.” Yet, most Christians says
Jesus is God. It’s an amazing situation. Jesus says: The Lord our God is one Lord; Christians says: no, it is the trinity in the god-head. Contradicting the message of Jesus. Nowhere from the lips of Jesus, did he utter trinity! And that is the core problem of the churches: they preach what Jesus never preached. In fact, Christianity went on deifying Jesus. They say Jesus walked down the Palestine as a divine being. The question here is, did he says he is God? Did he claim to be God? Did he says am god worship me? There is not in any version of the bible where explicitly Jesus says listen everybody: I am god! He never make such claims. In fact, he rebukes such claims. In Mark, 10 and Luke 18, when a certain ruler asked him, what to do to inherit the eternal life, Jesus says to him: “Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. He didn’t even want to be called good much less god. But did the christians follow this instruction? Not at all! In fact, they called him god. I wonder if Jesus was present today how he is gonna react to this blasphemy. Probably too tense. As a Prophet and a messenger of Allah , Jesus explicitly declares in the 8th chapter of john: "I have not come on my own; but he (God) sent me." He says further, “my father is greather than I.” Jesus’ mission was to convey the message given to him by his Lord. He was no more than a messenger. He says: I can't of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. The teaching of Jesus is not something new; it’s a kind of transition from the earlier teachings beginning with Abraham. If we take prayer for example, how the previous prophets pray to God, we will witness a clear consistency in their message. The bible tells us: quote: “And Abraham fell on his face and pray” genesis 17:3, and moses and Aron fell on their faces and prayed (numbers 20:6) and Jesus fell on his face and prayed Mathew 26:38). And that is excatly how Muhammad SAW prayed and the whole muslim world prays like that. The christians don’t pray like that though. They have their own kind of worship. Who is really trying to imitate Jesus? Christians or Muslims? And that is the main problem of christianity: its not a religion of Jesus; it’s the religion constructed about Jesus. The message of Jesus is Islamic in every sense: believing in one God, he never mention the mystery of trinity; that he’s a preacher, teacher, messenger and no more; that salvation rests by keeping the commandments; and son. In fact even his diet isn't christian, Jesus’ diet is islamic as he didn’t eat pig he kills over 2000 pigs says the bible. For we believe that Jesus was a muslim; and his message is islam. Little wonder that on his second coming he is going to rejects the christians for they misunderstood him and his message. The bible tell us in the 7th chapter of Mathew: Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Jesus is going to rebuke the christians, and this is in consequence of the diversion in christianity from the real message. Its like a dialectic between the 2billion Christians and Jesus. Christians are more concerned with the one who did the preaching than what he preached. It’s a kind of shift from the message to the messenger. And when this kind of shift happens, problems and misunderstanding emerged. If the emphases is in the preacher, racial pride and nationalism come into play. You cant value the message if you’re too obsessed from where it comes from. Jesus pray to God; christians pray to Jesus. Christianity is a religion of Paul(the confusionist) constructed against Jesus. Jesus was a Muslim and hisreligion was Islam in every sense. It is just also very painful that the BIBLE OF TODAY HAS BEEN SERIOUSLY DOCTORED. FILLED WITH ERRORS, INCONSISTENCIES AND IT'S SO CONFUSING  OPEN YOUR EYES BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE! did abraham pray the 5 daily prayer ? It is Muhammad that invented the five daily prayer. How is it possible that this prophet you mention pray the 5 daily prayer ? Did they wash their feet and nose also ? The pagan also bow their head in prayer, are they also muslims ? Surah 17:1: “Glory to (Allah) Who did take His servant for a Journey by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest Mosque, Whose precincts We did bless, – in order that We might show him some of Our Signs: for He Is the One Who heareth and seeth (all things).” (Yusuf Ali) According to the Qur’an, Allah allegedly took Muhammad on a journey from the Ka’ba in Mecca to the farthest Mosque at Jerusalem. Muslims view Muhammad’s Night Journey with great importance for the reason that this journey determined the Islamic ritual of praying five times a day. In other words, Muhammad’s Night Journey has an impact on the lives of more than a billion Muslims all over the world – five times – each and every day. Allah ORIGINAL plan was for the muslims to have 50 times a day prayers until it was reduce to 5 after muhammed plead. There are twenty-four hours in a day. If Allah’s original plan is for Muslims to pray fifty times a day, Muslims would hardly have sufficient time left for work, sleep or family. Let’s do the maths. If we were to allow just fifteen minutes for each of the fifty prayer rituals along with the ablutions, it will amount to 12.5 hours (15X50 mins.). And this does not include the time it takes to travel to the mosque and back for those who prefer to pray there. However, on Fridays all Muslim males are required to pray at the mosque. A day has only 24 hours. Even going by the very bare minimum, a Muslim is now left with 11 and ½ hours. Most employment requires a person to work at least 8 hours a day on the average. What about the time spent traveling to and fro from work? If we were to deduct an average of just 10 hours for employment, the Muslim is now left with just 1 and ½ hours. And humans need at least 7 or 8 hours of sleep to remain healthy. OUR QUESTION IS: Does not Allah know that there are only 24 hours in a day? Does not Allah know that his worshippers need to work, eat, sleep and care for their families? Why did not Allah know that even going by the bare minimum, Muslims will not be able cope with his absurd demand to pray fifty times a day? Did not Allah know that it would be impossible for Muslims to accomplish this unreasonable command to stop every 28.8 minutes for prayer? Can Allah really then be the all knowing God as you claim? Since a Muslim will have to stop working twice each hour to pray, would any employer, in his right mind, employ a Muslim? Why did not Allah tell Muhammad to pray five times a day in the first place? Does not this show that Moses was much wiser than Allah? Does not this also prove that Moses was more in tune with reality than Allah? How could Moses – a mere human Even the reduced number of five daily prayers at specific times has proven to be counter productive to the economy growth of many Muslim nations. Prayer works through love. In Christianity, there is no such compulsion. God wants heartfelt prayers. Not scripted prayers that are demanded to be expressed in a specific number of times and at certain specific times. There is no such thing as fixed time prayers in Christianity. According to the Bible, a Christian can pray at any time before his God. The Bible prescribes neither the form nor the amount of prayer required of the believer. In the Bible, prayer is always voluntary, never a compulsion, although this does not contradict the fact, that God has told his worshippers to persevere in prayer. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Tri-unity Of God And The Work Of Salvation. by malvisguy212(op): 10:37pm On Feb 28, 2016 |
Laid2001: The IM in Elohim annd other names of God you see are not plural of Number! These are plural of Respect as in Classic English when the royals use we for themselves even when they mean only singular.
this is also paramount in YORUBA Language as well. It is clear throughout the Bible that GOD is UNITY and nothing like Triunity anything.
There is only one GOD and Jesus is not God. He never claimed to be GOD. There is no place in the Bible where Jesus categorically stateted that he is God almighty or that he Jesus should be worshiped.
Rather Jesus stated in many place that God in Heaven (He is on Earth then) is One. To make it clearer to people who may be confused, He said my Father in Heaven is greater than I. "why callest me Good,There is no one GOOD except GOD". Jesus said so as well.
But who ever God has guided, non can misguide him and whoever have been left astray by God, due to his/her own foolishness, non can guide such a person.
Mat God guide us all aright. the english word indicating plural "S" is also the royal we ? Many disciples call jesus God, and jesus did not reject it. Isaiah said so: “Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel (God with us)” (Isaiah 7:14). “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace” (Isaiah 9:6). Thomas said so: “And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God” (John 20:28). Paul said so: “Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ” (Titus 2:13). “Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen” (Romans 9:5) . The writer of Hebrews said so: “But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom” (Hebrews 1:  . The Apostle John said so: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God” (John 1:1). [In John 1:14 we are told that "the Word was made [became] flesh and dwelt among us" making it clear that John, in using the term "Word," was referring to Jesus Christ the One who took on human flesh and became a Man.] “And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life” (1 John 5:20). Peter said so: “Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ,to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ” (2 Peter 1:1). “At the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established” (Deuteronomy 19:15) |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Tri-unity Of God And The Work Of Salvation. by malvisguy212(op): 9:53pm On Feb 28, 2016 |
gbaskiboy: I only know of One God, in which Jesus christ refers to as Our Father.... Any believe apart from this is man made inventions to lead people astray... Pardon me if am being sarcastic.... The Bible makes it abundantly clear that God exists as God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. However, these three persons are not three separate gods, but One God. This Trinitarian concept of God might seem to be contradictory from a human standpoint, but is perfectly logical from God's extradimensional existence. Anti-Trinitarian heresies either elevate humans to the level of God or demote one or more persons of the Godhead to non-God status. Don't fall into one of those traps! "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit " (Matthew 28:19) |
Christianity Etc › Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by malvisguy212(op): 2:44pm On Feb 28, 2016 |
malvisguy212: The Bible gives a good idea but not an exact number of years on how old Mary was when she gave birth to Jesus. the onset of menstruation - during her teenage years, and the wording in the Bible points to this range:
Luke 1:26-34 "Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, to a virgin BETROTHED TO A MAN whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. And having come in, the angel said to her, “Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you AMONG WOMEN!” But when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and considered what manner of greeting this was. Then the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus. He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.” Then Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I do NOT KNOW A MAN?”
She is called a "VIRGIN," but also "AMONG WOMEN." When Gabriel announces her impending conception, she already is "BETROTHED TO A MAN " and expresses knowledge of the need for sexual intercourse to conceive: “How can this be, since I do not know a man?” According to the Bible, Mary was a teenager.
But according to the Quran, Mary was about 1,500 years old.
Quran 19:27-28 "Then she brought [Jesus] to her people, carrying him. They said, "O Mary, you have certainly done a thing unprecedented. O SISTER OF ARRON, your father was not a man of evil, nor was your mother unchaste." -
Quran 66:12 "And Mary, the DAUGHTER OF IMRAN , who guarded her chastity, and We breathed into (her body) of our spirit; and she believed in the words of her Lord and of His revelations, and was of the devoutly obedient."
But the Mary who is the "daughter of Imran" (spelled "Amram" in the Bible) and the "sister of Aaron" was the sister of Moses who lived in the 15th century BC:
Numbers 26:59 "The name of Amram's wife was Jochebed the daughter of Levi, who was born to Levi in Egypt; and to Amram she bore Aaron and Moses and their sister Miriam."
Therefore, unless Mary was 1,500 years old when she had Jesus - indeed, unless Joseph married a 1,500 year old virgin - Muhammad mistook two different women in the Bible as the same. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Tri-unity Of God And The Work Of Salvation. by malvisguy212(op): 10:10am On Feb 28, 2016 |
malvisguy212: Can we really understand the trinity ? We can't , how can a finite being understand an infinite God ? Our responsibility is to believe what God has said about Himself.
The old testament prove the fact that there is ONLY ONE GOD. Isreal is surrounded with many nation that worship different gods. God people needed to know that there is only ONE GOD:
Deut. 6:4 "Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God is ONE LORD"
This verse give two details about God. 1. The nature of God (God's ONENESS) and 2. Jehovah is the only God.The old testament emphasizing of the UNITY of God, is not silent with respect to the PLURALITY of God's Nature. The old testament lay the groundwork for the new testament revelation.
The hebrew word for God is Elohim, plural in form."In the beginning God CREATED" (Genesis 1:1). God is the omnipotent CREATOR! The name for "God" found in Genesis 1:1 is the Hebrew word "ELOHIM" the ending of this word (..IM) is a plural ending,(more than one) just like our english language "S" is the ending word for plural. For example:
1. CHERUBIM (Exodus 25:18-20) 2. SERAPHIM (Isaiah 6:2,6) 3. TERAPHIM(judges 17:5)
The words end with IM , they are plural in form. In Genesis 1:1 the verb "CREATED" is a SINGULAR verb, and it means "HE (singular) CREATED." Two answers may be given to the question, "Who created the heavens and the earth?" 1. HE DID (singular) because the verb means "HE CREATED." The verb does not mean "THEY CREATED." 2. GOD DID (plural) because the word ELOHIM is a plural word!
So, there is a sense in which God the Creator is singular. There is only ONE God and He is the Creator. There is no other God. It is also true that there is a sense in which He is plural. This brings us to our next point:
PLURAL UNITY OF GOD. Deuteronomy 6:4 says: "Hear, O Israel: The LORD [singular] our God [ELOHIM-plural] is ONE Lord."
God is Love, if God is two, our Love will be DIVIDED and one will not Get our full devotion. So YES, God is ONE and He deserve our Full attention.
The Hebrew word"ONE"found in Deuteronomy 6:4 is a word that can be used to describe a plural (composite) UNITY (a unity made up of more than one component). For Example in Genesis 11:5 "Behold, the PEOPLE IS ONE." The people (plural) at Babel were united together as ONE. It was a UNITY, but it was made up of many people (a plural unity).
Another example is in Genesis 2:24 where the same word "one" is found: "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother and shall cleave unto his wife and they shall be one flesh." Here we have a plural unity. It is a ONENESS made up of two persons" a husband and a wife" They (plural) shall be one (singular) flesh. The two are one.
Just as Genesis 11:5 speaks of a plural unity (many people being ONE), and just as Genesis 2:24 speaks of a plural unity (two people being ONE), so also Deuteronomy 6:4 describes God who is a PLURAL UNITY. Later we will learn that this plural unity is actually a TRI-UNITY.
In Isaiah 6:8 , we have a threefold declaration of God's holiness: "And one cried unto another, and said, HOLY, HOLY, HOLY is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of His glory" (Isaiah 6:3). we learn elsewhere in Scripture, namely that 1) God the Father is Holy (John 17:11); 2) God the Son is Holy (Heb. 7:26 and compare Luke 1:35); 3) God the Holy Spirit is Holy (as His very Name declares)
In Genesis , God is repeatedly mention as the creator, and in Genesis 1:2 we saw how the Holy spirit is actively involve " was moving in the face of the water. And in john 1:1 we understand that the Word (jesus) was God and everything were created through Him. Cc lalasticala, seun. |
Christianity Etc › Re: What The Bible Teaches About These Five Church Practices by malvisguy212: 10:03am On Feb 28, 2016 |
Advans: there is nothing bad in choosing a date to celebrate birth but if u go down history lane, u will realize dt Dec 25 is a special day in Rome for celebrating an idol called MARS. D early Christians joined dem in d celebration and associate it wt d birth of Christ. Hence they formed CHRISTMAS frm christ-mars. Jst as d current Christians try to lured ppl into Christianity by advertising solution to hunger, poverty, barrenness e.t.c you made a very good point. You said the early christian join them, meaning they were influence by the date setting. But the celebration is DIFFIRENT from the pagans. |
Christianity Etc › Re: What The Bible Teaches About These Five Church Practices by malvisguy212: 9:56am On Feb 28, 2016 |
Sanchez01: I took a deliberate sabbatical from the section. Perhaps I'll have more reasons to visit and post comments and topics now.  welcome back bro, I enjoy reading your post emasun and scholar8200. I learn a lot from you guys. |
Christianity Etc › Re: What The Bible Teaches About These Five Church Practices by malvisguy212: 9:36am On Feb 28, 2016 |
Sanchez01 it been long I read your post. |
Christianity Etc › Re: What The Bible Teaches About These Five Church Practices by malvisguy212: 9:18am On Feb 28, 2016 |
Sanchez01: Everyone loves Christmas. I love it. But the big question is why December 25, the same as the celebration date of a Roman god? Christianity adopted a pagan practice here. Please ignore Paul's assertion. Were there Pagan practices in the Old Testament? Yes? And most of them corrupted the then Israel. Saul and Solomon are too few examples of people pagan practices corrupted. The big problem is here is Constantine, the then Roman Emperor who merged Pagan practices with Christian ways. Everybody loves Christmas, we celebrate Christ, perhaps, but is the day really the birth day of Christ? No! you are correct bro, but for what I read , the early church leader never for once associated the pagan practice with christmas, they were only influence by the date setting. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Hope For Mothers, Infant Salvation. by malvisguy212(op): 9:03am On Feb 28, 2016 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: The Difference Between RELIGION And CHRISTIANITY. by malvisguy212(op): 9:02am On Feb 28, 2016 |
malvisguy212: There are differences between Christianity and religion, Many are GOING TO CHURCH but few are GOING DOWN THE ROAD WHICH LEADS TO LIFE. Many are RELIGIOUS but few are RIGHT WITH GOD.
Religion is DOING while Christianity is DONE. When Jesus cried on the cross, "it is finished" The work of our salvation was FINISHED, DONE, ACCOMPLISHED and COMPLETED. A religious man may be likened as a man who try to swim from river kaduna to niger by his own strength, he will never make it. But the man who is save by faith is likened to be a man who get on a ship, hoping it will take him to his destination. This man simply rests upon the ship and lets the ship do all the work.
THIS ARE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN RELIGION AND CHRISTIANITY. 1. RELIGION: "Salvation is something I must do. I must somehow earn or gain salvation by the way I live."
CHRISTIANITY: "Salvation is something only God can do. Salvation is of the LORD!" (Eph. 2:8-9).
2. RELIGION: Religion is summed up in one word: DO--man trying to DO different things to please God and earn His favor.
CHRISTIANITY: Christianity is summed up in one word; DONE--Christ dying on the cross to save sinful man (John 19:30).
3. RELIGION: The religious man is busy "working" (doing good works) in order to be saved.
CHRISTIANITY: The saved person is "not working" (Rom. 4:5) but is RESTING upon the finished work of Another. Although he must beware (1 peter 5:
4. RELIGION: RELIGION is man trying to BRING HIMSELF TO GOD (by human effort, good works, ritualism, traditionalism, sacraments, etc.).
CHRISTIANITY: CHRISTIANITY is Christ BRINGING US TO GOD on the basis of what He did for us on the cross, NOT by our own effort. (1 Peter 3:18).
5. RELIGION: Man trying to please God in the wrong way (Rom. 8:8--"So then they that are in the FLESH cannot please God" .
CHRISTIANITY: Man truly pleasing God in the only way (Hebrews 11:6--"But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him" .
6. RELIGION: The religious man is seeking to establish his own righteousness by ignoring the way of the righteousness of God (Rom. 10:3).
CHRISTIANITY: The saved man is satisfied with the perfect righteousness of Jesus Christ (2 Cor. 5:21).
7.RELIGION: Religion is pictured in Genesis 3 by the fig leaves that Adam and Eve made for themselves--a terrible covering (Gen. 3:7).
CHRISTIANITY: Salvation is pictured in Genesis 3 by the coats of skin which God provided by way of the shedding of BLOOD--a perfect covering (Gen. 3:21).
8.RELIGION: CAIN'S RELIGION--"I bring to God the labour of my own hands" (Gen. 4:3). CHRISTIANITY: ABEL'S FAITH--"I bring to God a blood sacrifice. An innocent substitute must die to save me" (Gen. 4:4).
Good works done by sinful man can never please a holy God. The greatest good work is GOD'S WORK accomplished by Jesus Christ who offered Himself on the cross as the sinner's Substitute.Thus we are not saved by good works but we are saved unto good works: "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them" (Ephesians 2:10). "For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure" (Philippians 2:13).
Are you resting fully in the finished work of Christ? Are you trusting in Jesus Christ, WHO HE IS, WHAT HE HAS DONE FOR YOU and WHAT HE HAS SAID IN HIS WORD? "Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else" (Isaiah 45:22). |
Christianity Etc › Re: What The Bible Teaches About These Five Church Practices by malvisguy212: 8:55am On Feb 28, 2016 |
@. I agree with everything you said except christmas, the day of christ birth may be unknown, but First, a person who was born on February 29 (leap year) only celebrate his birthday after 4 years, is it sinful to chose another day to celebrate it ? Or if your birthday fall on saturday (saturn) will you celebrate it ? In 1 corinthians 8 paul is saying we should not in anyway aknowlegde this pagan gods exist. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Post Your 'Front Page-Worthy' TOPICS And LINKS Here by malvisguy212: 8:13am On Feb 28, 2016 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: The Tri-unity Of God And The Work Of Salvation. by malvisguy212(op): 8:07am On Feb 28, 2016 |
reallest: Am highly interested in this thread but I have nothing to say now,because all I see here is some quote from one story book alright. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Tri-unity Of God And The Work Of Salvation. by malvisguy212(op): 8:06am On Feb 28, 2016 |
Gayjesus: Genesis was about greed and manipulation of humans. It spoke of men with lion heads, some living longer lives,atomic weapons used on cities etc. Didn't you read them yourself? thank you for your contribution. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Tri-unity Of God And The Work Of Salvation. by malvisguy212(op): 6:21am On Feb 28, 2016 |
Gayjesus: Genesis had nothing to do with God. It is nothing but mixing up of human genes and creating slave race. what ? Explain. |