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OLAJADON:
which Quranic verses proves any of these allegation...if u cnt provide it then ur suggestion is useless.

malvisguy212:
The Qur’an claims to be the eternal
Revelation of God. If true, how can an
eternal Book of Allah have such time-
bound revelations in it? The Qur’an itself admits that some of its verses were abrogated and replaced by others
verses.

To abrogate means to abolish, annul,
rescind, repeal or revoke. The Qur’an is
the only religious book that abrogates its own teachings. The concept of abrogation in the Qur’an is that Allah reveals a verse in the Qur’an that invalidates an earlier verse in the same Qur’an. This may lead to numerous difficulties for the readers of the Qur’an. In fact, it raises many questions. For example:

1. How can a Muslim know what is
abrogated and what is not?
2. Since the abrogated verses still exist
in the Qur’an, what is the use of
these abrogated verses for Muslims
now?
3. Would not this pose a problem for
the ordinary readers of the Qur’an to
verify what is abrogated and what is
not?
4. How would an average Muslim know
what is abrogated and what is not,
when even scholar disagree among
themselves as to the numbers of
verses that are abrogated?

However, if the Qur’an is the genuine
Word of God, then the commandments
written in it must by no means be
abrogated. Its contents must remain
intact and its messages unchanged. And
amazingly Allah agrees:

Surah 6:115: “The word of your Lord
is complete, in truth and justice.
Nothing shall abrogate His words.
He is the Hearer, the
Omniscient.” (Khalifa)
In other word, nothing can change is word. However, note the contradiction in Surah 2:106:

“Whatever verse we shall abrogate,
or cause (thee) to forget, we will
bring a better one than it, or one
like unto it. Dost thou not know that
God is almighty?” (Sale)

The concept of “abrogation” in the
Qur’an is that Allah reveals a latter verse that both supersedes and annuls an earlier verse in the same Qur’an.
Abrogation means to annul or cancel
something with appropriate or legal
authority. In this case, the authority is
none other than Allah himself. Surah
2:106 is central to the doctrine of
abrogation that is taught in Islam. Why
does an all-wise God need to reveal
“better” or “similar” verses to replace
verses that he had inspired only a few
years or even days earlier? Surah 2:106
is clearly making the claim that Allah will change and cause the older verses to be forgotten by revealing better verses or verses similar in kind. To emphasize the point, Allah states that he has power over all things.

The quran is disorderly chronological arrange One example of the disorderly chronology is that Surahs 2:193, 2:216 and 2:217 were revealed at the beginning of Muhammad’s arrival in
Medina. And it took another six years to
reveal Surahs 2:190, 2:191 and 2:192. Yet Surah 2:193 (which was revealed six
years earlier) was inserted to follow
Surah 2:192. How could it then be known which contradicting verses were the more authoritative? Without context and chronology, the “abrogated” and
“abrogator” verses render the entire
Qur’an irrelevant. For example, if one
verse encourages slavery and another
condemns it, which is to be believed and followed?
Truly there is a lot of questions we need to ask, the quran is not the word of God.

facheux:
To me it means once Christians stop using the Church, we will buy it and turn it into a Mosque. As is happening in Europe usa canada etc.

truthman2012:
True talk.

Mty4real:
So, you think enemy were not appointed for jesus too,if that is the case he will not have engaged in whether he was actually crucified or not, or if at all you are leaving in reality, have you ever seen a successful person without having enemy either less or high, either weak or strong enemy, just think about this, our prayer should be to triumph over enemies set down by God, so I don't think we are in this world to play, even the obvious example like football play is not a play especially when your opponent were circumventing all your effort to score, were they not enemies in football play, if there is no enemy on the field, why do we need referees, linesman and all that...

truthman2012:
True talk.

malvisguy212:
The recent Israeli-Hamas war sparked
huge protests in Europe and exposed a
growing epidemic of anti-Semitism. But
in an interview with CBN News before
the summer war between Israel and
Hamas, one British Muslim explained
how he became a Zionist just by checking
out the facts.
Kasim Hafeez is a Pakistani Muslim born,
raised and living in the United Kingdom.
"I was brought up around a lot of anti-
Israel feeling and especially from my
dad, very blatant and direct Israel hatred
and anti-Semitism," Hafeez told CBN
News.
As a university student, Hafeez
campaigned against the Jewish state,
joined protests and called for boycotts of
Israel. He said he was even willing to die
to free Palestine and rid the world of
Israel.
"My narrative was this: there was a
Palestinian state, the Jews came from
Europe, stole the land, and voila - Israel,"
Hafeez said.
Then he found Alan Dershowitz' book,
The Case for Israel and decided to read it
so he could refute what he thought was
"Zionist propaganda."
"I thought I'll buy it and be able to
disprove it because Israel has no case. I
know the history. I'm an expert in it all,"
he said.
"So I start reading this book, and the
most basic of facts about Israel and the
Jewish people I had no clue about. I
mean one of the most basic ones I came
across was a Palestinian state has never
existed," he added.
Profiles in Racism
And that was just the beginning. Two
years later Hafeez visited Israel but got
himself into trouble before he ever
entered the country.
"When you go to passport control and
they say, 'What is the purpose of your
visit?' just say you're here for a holiday.
Don't say, 'Well, I used to be anti-Semitic
and anti-Israel, now I'm not quite sure so
I thought I'd come and see what it's
like,'" he explained.
After eight hours in airport security,
Hafeez was allowed into Israel despite
his confession. But the time spent in
airport security was a real eye opener.
"It highlighted Israel's unique security
situation," he said. "Look it's not
politically correct to say this, it's not nice
to say this, but people from my
background, people with my kind of
name have an awful tendency of blowing
stuff up in Israel."
Kasim said he was also "treated with a lot
of respect" from the security agent who
repeatedly offered him coffee and was
very apologetic. He compared it to a trip
he had taken to Saudi Arabia four years
earlier.
"You want to see racism, go to Saudi
Arabia as a non-Arab," he said.
A Huge Surprise
After leaving the airport, Hafeez
encountered his next surprise when he
arrived in Jerusalem and saw the
different ethnic and religious groups
mixing in the city.
"Be it Muslims, be it people from African
heritage, be it European, be it people
from the Middle East—it's just such a
crazy mix of people. And then you see
the signs in English and Hebrew and
Arabic and it straight away blows away
that idea of apartheid and racism," he
said.
Hafeez said he wanted to know how
people from Arab backgrounds really felt
about living in Israel, so he asked various
people, saying it must be "so difficult for
you here."

"They look [at you] like you're mentally
ill. They look at you as if you have some
sort of problem because they look at you
like 'no it's actually fine here, we have no
problems here,'" he said, smiling.
He was even more confused when he
spoke to people who are Druze, a group
that has traditionally been persecuted in
the Middle East, he said. They told him,
"We love it here. You know, this is our
home. My son's in the IDF."
He realized he was seeing "the real Israel
you won't see in a lot of the Western
mainstream media."
He said nothing changes your mind like
seeing it for yourself.
Pro-Israel vs. Anti-Arab?
According to Hafeez, family and friends
initially thought Israel's Mossad secret
service had recruited him. Now some
have come around.
"There's this awful idea that people think
it's a zero-sum game, that if you stand up
for Israel, you're instantly anti-Arab. It's
ridiculous," he said.
"I have members of my family who are
quite supportive of Israel now, which is
nice. But with friends who have now
turned their views to be more supportive
of Israel, [they] wouldn't say it publicly,"
he added.
Hafeez said Muslims refuse to accept
Israel's existence in the middle of the
Arab world. Then there are conspiracy
theories and the pack mentality.
"It's kind of ingrained that there's this
global conspiracy by the Jews to destroy
Islam and take over the world," he said.
"It's really sad but this whole anti-Israel
cause has become very popular. It's seen
as the cool cause almost, and nobody
wants to kind of break off from the kind
of pack and be seen as an outsider," he
added, saying it was very difficult for him
to admit that he had been wrong.

A REVELATION ABOUT ISREAL;
Nevertheless, Hafeez said, he believes
it's possible for Muslims to have a
revelation about the Jews and Israel. But
to do so they must honestly assess what
they believe and be willing to embrace
reality.
They need to take a step back and look at
the world and what they stand for, he
said, and ask themselves if this
"irrational hatred over a group of myths"
they've been told is really worth giving
their lives for it. They need to ask
themselves if they really want peace.
"One of the most frustrating things for
me is within the Muslim community. We
have a double standard," he said. "We
judge Israel and America by one
standard, which we refuse to apply to
ourselves."
Asked if he thought God had played a
role in opening his eyes or giving him the
desire to ask questions, Hafeez said his
"a-ha" moment came at the Western Wall
in Jerusalem.
"I sincerely believe that things don't just
happen, everything happens for a
reason. I believe I'm on a particular path,
I don't know where the destination will
end, but I feel I'm very blessed to be
where I am," he told CBN News.
"Because it has changed my life for the
better, you know. It's beautiful to wake
up without this hatred, without this
anger, you know and I feel so lucky and
so blessed," he said. "Is it God? I don't
know. Maybe. It's very difficult to say."




http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/standing-with-israel/48158-former-muslim-it-s-beautiful-to-wake-up-without-this-hatred

malvisguy212:
Quran 16:44
[We sent them] with clear proofs and WRITTEN ordinances. And We revealed to you the message that you may make clear to the people what was sent down to them and that they might give thought.

I'm sure the muslims know the quran was not revealed in writing. Therefore the 'writings' above refers to the earlier
Scriptures. The written proved their MUST be copies going on circulation. okay!!!


I challenge ALL muslims to answer the
following questions, if properly
answered, you will discovered soo many
lies has been told against God word:
1. At what point did the people corrupted
the Torah and Injeel, was it BEFORE
islam, during Muhammad's time of
AFTER him?
2. If it was before islam, why would Allah
refer Muhammad to something that is
non-existent to make confirmation?
3. If it was after Muhamad had died, how
was he able to receive the revelation that
the Scripture (Torah and Injeel) has been
corrupted?
4. The quran confirms that the Scripture
was a clear proof in writings. This means
there were copies in circulation. How
possible all copies vanished without
anyone having a copy anywhere? You
should by now discover a lie is told.
5. Why would God be so weak as to allow
man throw away His words before He
would vow to protect the subsequent
revelations? Did He learn from
experience?
6. Why will God ask muhammed to make
confirmation of the corrupted scripture
(injeel and torah) ?

malvisguy212:
In the United States,and the west, freedom of religion is a constitutionally guaranteed right provided in religion clauses of the First Amendment.
Freedom of religion is also closely associated with separation of church and state, a concept advocated by Thomas Jefferson.

The amendment prohibits the making of
any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion.

LET US SEE WHAT FREEDOM OF RELIGION MEANS TO ISLAM:
To Muslims, freedom of religion means
practicing Islam only. This means, Muslims are obligated by the Quran (2:193, 8:39 etc.) to destroy all other religions – Christianity,Judaism, Mormonism, Hinduism and others – by
whatever means necessary for establishing Islam as the only religion in the whole world.

Freedom of religion in the Western democratic world is aimed at protecting the rights and dignity of different religious communities, so that they can practice their respective religious rites and rituals without fear and interference.

However, religious freedom to Muslims that is, allowing them to practice what they are obligated to by the holy book – means allowing them the right to establishment Islam as the state religion, murdering and subjugating
infidels (9:5, 9:29), murdering apostates,
dhimmitude for Christians and Jews, enslaving and raping of kafir women and children, subjugation and repression of Muslim women, extermination of unbelievers, killing the critics/ blasphemers of Islam, and most of all, for America and all other democratic countries , destroying her constitution with its imbedded freedom and democracy, and replacing it with
Sharia Law. These are all demanded of Muslims by their sacred texts, namely the Quran and Ahadith (Sunnah). We can see all or most of these happening in Islamic heavens like Pakistan, Afghanistan, Eqyot, Somalia, Saudi
Arabia, Iran and even Turkey and all other Islamic countries.

As per the Quran and Sunnah, following are Muslims’ religious obligations, therefore, their religious right, and America must allow them act accordingly as per their constitutional right to freedom of religion as Romney has promised:

God has granted Muslim men the divine right to unleash jihad – the Islamic holy war to conquer all kafir nations and force them to submit to Islam. There are 164 Quranic teachings of
Jihad. (Quran 29.6, 29.53, 22.52)

God has granted Muslim men the divine right marry and have sex with to pre-Pubescent children, which is deemed abhorrent rape of minors or pedophilia (65:4)
God has granted Muslim men the divine right to polygamy (4.3)
God has granted Muslim men the divine right to gang rape infidel women (24:13)
God has granted Muslim men the divine right to sex slavery (4:24)
God has granted Muslim men the divine right to torturing non-Muslims (22.19-22)
God has granted Muslim men the divine right to whipping fornicators (24.2)
God has granted Muslim men right to
amputation and crucifixion (5:33)

Under Sharia Law, there is no freedom of religion, speech, thought, press and artistic expression; no equality of peoples – a non-Muslim, a Kafir, is never equal to a Muslim;no equal rights for women;women can be beaten by the husbands; non-Muslims are dhimmis,
third-class citizens; there is no equal protection under Sharia for different classes of people with one set of laws for Muslim males and different laws for women and non-Muslims. Death is the
punishment for apostasy, homosexuality, mocking anything in the Qur'an or the Sunnah of the prophet Muhammad, criticizing Islam, shari'ah law or the Sunnah of the prophet
Muhammad. Muslims, who states a preference for democracy to shari'ah law or questions anything in the Qur'an or Sunnah, is a kafir (disbeliever) and apostate, liable to punishment to death. Punishment for theft is amputation of
the right hand up to the elbow. The penalty for premarital sexual intercourse is 100 lashes with a whip and one year of exile. The penalty for
adultery is death by stoning.

malvisguy212:
Muslims talk often about the many
contradictions in the Bible. The number
of contradictions vary depending on
whom you are talking to. The principle
of non-contradiction has been elevated
to the status of an absolute criterion,
capable of being applied by human
beings in judging the authenticity of
God’s word. But the Christian cannot
agree that the principle of non-
contradiction is given to men as a criterion by which they are to judge God’s word. It is this criterion which the
Muslims have imposed upon the
discussion of revelation.


The Bible is not simply one book compiled by one man as the Muslims
claim for their Qur’an, but a compilation
of 66 books, written by more than 40
authors, over a period of 1500 years! For that reason Christians have always
maintained that the entire Bible shows
the imprint of human hands. Evidence of this can be found in the variety of
human languages used, the varying
styles of writing, the differences in the
author’s intellects and temperaments. Thought the muslims claimed the quran is sent down from heaven but there are MANY verses show the imprint of human hand in it.

DEFINITION OF INSPIRATION.
In 2 Timothy 3:16, we are told that all
Scripture is inspired. The word used for
inspiration is theopneustos which means“God-breathed,” implying that what was written had its origin in God Himself. In 2Peter 1:21 we read that the writers were“carried along” by God. Thus, God used each writer, including his personality to accomplish a divinely authoritative work, for God cannot inspire error.

The Bible must be the invention either of good men or angels, bad men or devils, or of God. However, it was not
written by good men, because good men would not tell lies by saying ‘Thus saith the Lord;’ it was not written by bad men because they would not write about doing good duty, while condemning sin,and themselves to hell; thus, it must be written by divine inspiration”

HOW DOES GOD INSPIRE HIS WRITERS?
How does God inspire the writers? Does
He simply move the writers by
challenging their heart to reach new
heights, much like we find in the works of Shakespeare, find in the works of
Shakespeare, which is human literary
masterpieces? Or does that which He
inspire contain the words of God-along
with myths, mistakes and legends, thus
creating a book in which portions of the
Word of God can be found, along with
those of finite and fallible men? Or are
the scriptures the infallible Word of God
in their entirety? In other words, how,
Muslims will ask, is this inspiration
carried out? Does God use mechanical
dictation, similar to that which we find
claimed for the Qur’an, or does He use
the writers own minds and experiences?

ANSWER:
The simple answer is that God’s control
was always with them in their writings,
such that the Bible is nothing more than
“THE WORD OF GOD IN THE WORD OF MEN”. This means that God utilized the culture and
conventions of his penman’s ,God controls in His sovereign
providence. Thus history must be treated
as history, poetry as poetry, hyperbole
and metaphor as hyperbole and
metaphor, generalization and
approximation as what they are, and so
forth.

We are fully aware that the Christian
criteria for revelation is not acceptable to Muslims, as it is in seeming conflict with their own.Yet,by simply measuring the Bible against the‘sent down’ concept which they claim for their Qur’an, Muslims condemn themselves of duplicity, since they demand of the New Testament that which they do not
demand of the previous revelations, the
Taurat and Zabuur, though both are
revered as equally inspired revelations
by all Muslims. Muslims believe that
Moses WROTE THE TAURAT AND DAVID THE ZABUUR . However, neither claimed to have received their revelations by a
means of A' sent down’ transmission. So why insist on such for the New Testament, especially since the
document makes no such claim itself?

PROPHET WITHOUT PROVED?
Left unsaid is the glaring irony that the
claim for the sent down revelation for the Qur’an comes from one source alone, the man to which it was supposedly revealed, Muhammad. Yet there are no external witnesses both before or at the time who can corroborate Muhammad’s testimony.
Not even miracles are provided to
substantiate his claims, nor are there any known documents of such a Qur’an from the century in which it is claimed to have been revealed.

What Muslims must understand is that
Christians have always maintained that
the Word of God, the Bible, was indeed
written by men, but that these men were always under the direct inspiration of the Holy Spirit (2 Peter 1:20-21).
Whereas the Qur’an is alleged to be free
of any human element, God in the Bible
deliberately chose to reveal His Word
through individuals who were inspired
prophets and apostles, so that His Word
would not only b conveyed to humanity correctly, and comprehensively but
would be communicated to their
understanding and powers of
comprehension as well. This the Qur’an
CANNOT do if it has no human element, as is generally alleged.

malvisguy212:
Prayer is respectful communication
between man and God. Christians are
free to pray to their God from anywhere, from any direction, in any (respectable) position, at any time of the day or night and they can be assured that their beloved God would listen to them. To insist that you have to face a specific direction to talk to God is an insult to his Almightiness.

Psalms 4:1: “When I call, answer me,
O my righteous God.”

However, whenever Muslims want to
pray to Allah, they are commanded to do so at certain specific times, face a specific direction and follow a specific ritual.

Surah 2:144: We have seen the
turning of thy face to heaven (for
guidance, O Muhammad). And now
verily We shall make thee turn (in
prayer) toward a qiblah which is dear
to thee. So turn thy face toward the
Inviolable Place of Worship, and ye (O
Muslims), wheresoever ye may be,
turn your faces (when ye pray)
toward it. (Pickthall)

QUESTION :
1.At the time when Allah revealed Surah
2:144 to change the Qiblah from
Jerusalem to Mecca, the Ka’ba was still
a pagan shrine housing 360 pagan
idols. Why would Allah permit his
Prophet to bow towards the Ka’ba while
it was still polluted with 360 pagan
idols?
2. Why must the prayers of the Muslims
be directed towards the pagan shrine
in order to reach the ears of Allah?
3. Since the Blackstone was venerated by the pagans during pre-Islamic days,
why are Muslims all over the world
commanded to face this very pagan
Blackstone whenever they pray?
4.If you say it to unify Muslims, why are
these very same Muslims who while
praying unitedly in Arabic, still fighting
and killing each other?

malvisguy212:
Islam, in no uncertain terms, denies the
Sonship of Jesus Christ. However, the
Qur’an provides numerous internal
evidences that testify to the Biblical truth that Jesus is indeed the Son of God. The testimonies regarding Jesus in the Qur’an itself clearly show that he is more than a prophet.

One of the most important points of
agreement between Islam and Christianity concerns the conception of
Jesus is the virgin birth.but the quran does not clearly state the reason of the virgin birth.

The Qur’an teaches that the virgin-birth
of Jesus was simply a manifestation of
God’s power>>>> Surah 3:47: “She said: My Lord! How can I have a child when no mortal hath touched me? He said: So it will be. Allah createth what HE WIlL. If
he decreeth a thing, He saith unto it
only: BE! And it is.” (Pickthall)

The truth of the matter is that the virgin- birth of Jesus Christ was not a random manifestation of God’s creative power as implied in the Qur’an. While the fact that it was brought about by the power of God is without any doubt, however, this in itself does not explain its meaning or purpose. What necessity was there to give a new demonstration of this power? The Qur’an itself teaches that the mere fact that God could create men out of nothing is surely proof that God can raise them from the dead;

Surah 22:5: “O mankind! If ye have a
doubt about the Resurrection,
consider that We created you out of
dust…” (Yusuf Ali)

As such, Allah is saying that no proof of
the ultimate resurrection is needed for
the unbelievers since his initial act of
creation is sufficient for man to perceive
his creative powers. In other words, there no need for Allah to show his creative work as long as he can create man.

Why was the virgin-birth of Jesus a
necessity? Surely, God would not do such an unusual act without reason if it were unnecessary. He would cause the virgin- birth to take place only if it was utterly necessary to do so. Something must have required that Jesus be born in this way.The virgin-birth is an article of faith, which is repeatedly upheld in the Qur’an, and yet we find that there is no explanation for the miraculous birth. In the Qur’an we are assured that, it took place, but we are not told why. However, the answer is made clear in the Bible. It tells us that unlike all other prophets, Jesus is the unique Son of God. Thus, it is absolutely necessary that he be born of a virgin-woman if he comes in the likeness of men.

This is indeed what the angel told Mary
when he came to explain the miraculous conception:

Luke 1:32: “He will be great and will
be called the Son of the Most High.”

Luke 1:35: “Therefore the child to be
born will be called holy, the SON OF
GOD.”

In the Gospel, the virgin-birth is also
shown as a vital link in the out-working of God’s purpose for the salvation of
mankind. It was the very heart of God’s
divine purpose to redeem fallen
mankind who by their sinful nature was
subjected to futility. (See Romans 8:20).
Therefore, mankind’s salvation – your
salvation – is essentially linked to the
gaining of an accurate knowledge of the
divine purpose behind the miraculous
birth of Jesus Christ. Let us now look at
other evidences in the Qur’an that points to the Sonship of God

malvisguy212:
In the middle of the confusion of the war on terrorism is the question of the nature of the religion of Islam. Some say that it is a peaceful religion at its heart, that only the fringe extremists are bent on war.

One side claims that "jihad" means a
personal struggle against evil in one's
behavior. Others claim that it means
conquest of the part of the world that is
not Muslim, by whatever means
necessary, including acts of terror.

Both sides refer to specific passages in
the Koran for support. For the soul winner, these are not the important issues. Bible believers are asking, "How can we reach Muslims with the gospel which will solve their struggle against evil?"

One way involves God's love.The biblical concept of God loving the sinner, is
FOREIGN TO MUSLIM THINKING. To them, Allah is "compassionate" and "merciful," BUT only to those who obey him.

Their relationship to Allah is not as father and son but more as MASTER AND SLAVE. Allah is not pictured in the quran as a loving Creator, longing for an intimate relationship with man.

Biblical concepts found in John 3:16, 1
John 4:6-10 ("God is love" and in the
Lord's prayer where we address God as
"Our Father" are nowhere found in
Muslim thinking. Muslims memorize the
"99 beautiful names of Allah,"BUT "love"
or "loving" is no where in that list.

"The love of God is the chief attribute of the biblical God as revealed in such places as John 3:16.God has feelings for his creatures, especially man"

But when we turn to the Quran, we do
not find love presented as the chief
attribute of Allah. Instead, the
transcendence of Allah is his chief
attribute.

"Neither does Allah 'have feelings'
toward man. That concept is foreign to
Islamic teaching. That would reduce
Allah to being a mere man -which again
is blasphemous to a Muslim."

"The greatest difference between the two faiths is the personal quality of God," writes Emir and Ergun Caner in Unveiling Islam. "ONE MUST LOVE Allah IN ORDER FOR Allah TO LOVE THAT PERSON IN RETURN .In Christianity, God loved people first in order to secure their salvation"

The story that Jesus told of the prodigal
son illustrates a side of God that is
foreign to the followers of Allah. The
Quran states flatly that "Allah loves NOT those who reject Faith"(surah 3:32).
"The Muslim can be totally sure that
Allah will never restore a believer who
has rejected the faith of Islam," we must show the Muslim that Allah offers "no love, no sure forgiveness of sins and only empty dreams of a false paradise."

Only Jesus, the God of the Bible, loved us while were yet sinners,offering sure forgiveness, and eternal life with a loving heavenly Father.

malvisguy212:
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8, Number 427: Narrated ‘Aisha and ‘Abdullah bin ‘Abbas: When the last moment of the life of Allah’s Apostle came he started putting his ‘Khamisa’ on his face and when he felt hot and short of breath he took it off his face and said , “May Allah CURSE the Jews and Christians for THEY BUILT THE PLACES OF WORSHIP AT THE GRAVES OF THEIR PROPHET .” even in his dying breath, uttered curses. Please recall Muhammad’s reason for cursing the Jews and the Christians. He said, “FOR THEY BUILT THE PLACES OF WORSHIP AT THE GRAVES OF THEIR PROPHET .” We will now address this accusation of Muhammad. We will look at the facts recorded in the Bible. Moses and Jesus ,they are very important to the Jews, Moses to Judaism and Jesus to Christianity. As stated in Deuteronomy 34:5-6, God himself buried Moses to an undisclosed place and to Jesus,God removed His body. committing. Meaning it prevented both christians and Jews from being enticed to make pilgrimages or pay homage to such sites. It protected them from creature- worship. In contrast, what did the Muslims do with Muhammad’s tomb after his death? Muslims built a mosque on his tomb. His grave became a place for Muslim pilgrims to visit in Medina annually. The Prophet’s tomb at Medina is, after Mecca, the site most venerated by Muslims. It is visited with reverence in the hearts of the faithful. Ironically, these Muslims fell into the very class of people, upon whom Muhammad beseeched Allah’s curse. Unlike Jehovah, Allah did not have the wisdom or the insight to prevent the causes that could lead to creature- worship among his worshippers. The 12th century work by Qadi Iyad is highly accepted throughout the Muslim world. Al-Qadi Iyadibn Musa al-Yahsubi (1083 C.E.-1149 C.E.) wrote in his book Al-Shifa’: “Visiting his grave is part of the Sunna and is both excellent and desirable. Ibn `Umar said that the Prophet said, ‘My shafa’at (intercession on the Day of Qiyamah) is Waajib (incumbent upon me to intercede) FOR THE ONE WHO VISIT MY GRAVE.’”

malvisguy212:
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8, Number 427: Narrated ‘Aisha and ‘Abdullah bin ‘Abbas: When the last moment of the life of Allah’s Apostle came he started putting his ‘Khamisa’ on his face and when he felt hot and short of breath he took it off his face and said , “May Allah CURSE the Jews and Christians for THEY BUILT THE PLACES OF WORSHIP AT THE GRAVES OF THEIR PROPHET .” even in his dying breath, uttered curses. Please recall Muhammad’s reason for cursing the Jews and the Christians. He said, “FOR THEY BUILT THE PLACES OF WORSHIP AT THE GRAVES OF THEIR PROPHET .” We will now address this accusation of Muhammad. We will look at the facts recorded in the Bible. Moses and Jesus ,they are very important to the Jews, Moses to Judaism and Jesus to Christianity. As stated in Deuteronomy 34:5-6, God himself buried Moses to an undisclosed place and to Jesus,God removed His body. committing. Meaning it prevented both christians and Jews from being enticed to make pilgrimages or pay homage to such sites. It protected them from creature- worship. In contrast, what did the Muslims do with Muhammad’s tomb after his death? Muslims built a mosque on his tomb. His grave became a place for Muslim pilgrims to visit in Medina annually. The Prophet’s tomb at Medina is, after Mecca, the site most venerated by Muslims. It is visited with reverence in the hearts of the faithful. Ironically, these Muslims fell into the very class of people, upon whom Muhammad beseeched Allah’s curse. Unlike Jehovah, Allah did not have the wisdom or the insight to prevent the causes that could lead to creature- worship among his worshippers. The 12th century work by Qadi Iyad is highly accepted throughout the Muslim world. Al-Qadi Iyadibn Musa al-Yahsubi (1083 C.E.-1149 C.E.) wrote in his book Al-Shifa’: “Visiting his grave is part of the Sunna and is both excellent and desirable. Ibn `Umar said that the Prophet said, ‘My shafa’at (intercession on the Day of Qiyamah) is Waajib (incumbent upon me to intercede) FOR THE ONE WHO VISIT MY GRAVE.’”

malvisguy212:
In Islam, it is not how one lives that
guarantees salvation, but how one dies.
To die while fighting the infidels in the
cause of Allah is the only sure way for
Muslims to be assured of a place in
Paradise. Pious muslims will be taken to hell until the day of judgment.

Surah 9:111: Allah hath purchased of
the believers their persons and their
goods; for theirs in return is the
garden of Paradise: they fight in H
is cause, and slay and are slain.
(Yusuf Ali)

Surah 17:33: And do not kill the soul
which Allah has forbidden EXCEPT BY RIGHT.

Surah 17:33 is an important verse for
suicide-bombers. This Qur’anic verse not only justifies their own suicidal deaths but it also justifies the unintended killing of other Muslims in the process. Since the jihadist goal is to defeat the infidels and establish the right of Islamic rule at all cost, they believe the end justifies the means.

Therefore, the purpose of these suicide bombers is not just to kill themselves but to kill the enemies of Islam. In the mathematics of the jihadist, the most effective way to kill as many infidels is by means of this extremely evil method. The suicide bombers believe that they are rewarded, not for simply dying, but for dying as a means for killing. Thus, their own death is sanctioned by Allah and is accepted as a necessary sacrifice. They are honored as martyrs because they died in the fight against the enemies of Islam.

THE BARGAIN OF ALLAH
It may surprise many to learn that all
Muslims, including Muhammad will
descend into “Hell” before being rescued from it on the “Day of Resurrection.” The “Day of Resurrection” or “Qiyamah” refers to the time of the end. This means that even as you are reading this article, Muhammad and his pious followers are in “Hell” awaiting deliverance. The following Qur’anic verse and Hadith attests to this teaching in Islam.

Surah 19:71: “It is the inevitable
decree of your Lord that EVERYONE OF YOU WILL BE TAKEN TO HELL .”

THE ONLY WAY TO BYPASS THE PUNISHMENT IN SURAH 19:71.

However, there is a way for Muslims to
bypass “Hell” and head straight into
Paradise. Allah makes a bargain with
Muslims to show how this is possible.

Surah 61:10-13: O YE WHO BELIEVE SHALL I LEAD YOU TO A BARGAIN THAT WILL SAVE YOU FROM A GRIEVOUS PENALTY ? – That ye believe in Allah
and His Messenger, and that ye
strive your utmost in the Cause of
Allah , with your property and your
persons: That will be best for you, if
ye but knew! He will forgive you
your sins, and admit you to
Gardens beneath which Rivers flow,
and to beautiful mansions in
Gardens of Eternity: that is indeed
the Supreme Achievement. And
another favour will He bestow, which
ye do love, – help from Allah and a
speedy victory. (Yusuf Ali)

The above Qur’anic verses were written
in the historical context of the Battle of
Uhud (625 C.E.). In the Arabic Qur’an, the term Jihad is used in the above Qur’anic verses. “That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye strive (Jihad) your utmost in the Cause of Allah.” Since all Muslims, including pious ones will have to spend a waiting-period in the “Islamic-Hell” before reaching Paradise, Allah made a bargain with Muslims. He told them that if they die fighting for his cause, he will forgive their sins and will save them from the “grievous Penalty” of “Hell-fire.” In other words, there is no need to burn in the “Islamic-Hell” until the Day of Resurrection when the faithful among them will be rescued. Paradise will be instant for those who die fighting for Allah.

Till today, Muslim suicide bombers are
motivated by this murderous bargain of
Allah. Allah’s bargain is still in force in
the Book of Hate. Islam reserves a place
in Paradise for cold blooded killers.

Surah 9:88: “But the Messenger, and
those who believe with him, strive
and fight with their wealth and
their persons: for them are all good
things: and it is they who will
prosper.” (Yusuf Ali)

malvisguy212:
To entice his followers to fight in suicidal raids
and wars, Muhammad created an image of
Islamic paradise that made it difficult for his followers to resist, The promise of everlasting sex with virgins. Muhammad knew for sure that sex would sell very well among his warriors.

Surah 4:24:“Also forbidden for you are
married women, EXCEPT those who have
fallen in your hands as PRISONERS OF WAR .”

Still the risk of death discourage some Muslims
from participating in Allah’s wars. Hence,
Muhammad came up with an ingenious solution to the problem. Thus, Muhammad
designed an evil plan. He excited his believers
with these promises:

Surah 44:54: “Thus (shall it be), and We will
wed them with Houris, pure, beautiful ones"

The above quranic verse are in harmony with this hadith:

Sunan al-Tirmidhi, Hadith Number 3834:
Narrated by Al-Miqdam ibn Ma’dikarib:
Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him)
said, “THE MARTYR RECEIVES SIX GOOD THINGS: he is forgiven at the first
shedding of his blood; he is shown his abode
in Paradise; he is preserved from the
punishment in the grave; he is kept safe
from the greatest terror; he has placed on
his head the crown of honor, a ruby of
which is better than the world and what it
contains; he is married to SEVENTY-TWO
WIVES OF THE MAIDENS WITH LARGE DARK EYES of ; and is made intercessor for seventy
of his relatives.”

Muhammad was able to preach his message
effectively using sex as a commodity in
exchange for his men’s support to fight his
battles, is a win win situation in fighting for Allah cause. Should a muslim fight, he will get his shear among the prisoners of war. Should the muslim got martyr in allah cause, he will be awarded with even beautiful virgin, it is not uncommon to hear Muslims say in boast to the infidels, “We love death more than you love life.” A religion that encourages death can only come from the one who brought death to the human race. The Bible describes death as an enemy. ( 1 Corinthians 15:26).

1 corinthians 15:25
The last enemy to be destroyed is death.

Sensuality in the Koran inspires young Muslim
men to die for Allah’s cause. A Holy God will never resort to sexual incentive as a means to secure believers. This is absolutely improper and blasphemous to the concept of Divine Holiness. However, in the Koran we find Allah promising Muslim men with pleasures of the flesh, both in this life and in the life to come. This makes Islam a very carnal religion.

tsolah247:
The truth is that Jesus was not crucified but if u disagree then bring let us examine your proof.

Empiree:
Again, other Gospels, contradict themselves, Christians practices contradict bible, Bible also contradicts Christians practices. So is there any difference?. Even, in my opinion, Gospel of Barnabas probably denied "messiah" because the word is misused or misunderstood by Christians. Like when malvis says messiah also means God. It's probably the reason Barnabas said so. Either way, According to Quran, Jesus is messiah. Messiah does not mean God
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Empiree:
This nonsense was trashed in rilwayne's thread. Do you have other defenses?

Empiree:
Is Bible your first and primary source of knowledge or not?

Empiree:
Read again

cckris:
They don't even have the Old Testament to refer to & compare with. They just plagiarise, & presume that Maryam, Moses' elder sister was Mary the mother of Jesus, even when simple history shows that they were separated by 1500 years.

Empiree:
Lol. Hadith is the sayings attributed to the prophet of Islam(SAW). It is not a protected and guaranteed book. We never said it is.

Here, we talking about Quran. We say Quran is God's perfect Holy Book. It is the first and primary source of guidance in Islam

You also said Bible is word of God and Bible is primary source in Christendom. But then, you have plenty of contradicting Gospels but we have one Quran. See what i am talking about?. So we are competing primary source of guidance from both religions. We are not talking about other sources for now.

Quran is the only guarantee Book in the world. Can you boost of this with Bible?

Empiree:
muslims do not claim gospel of Barnabas is 100% authentic. We simply deduce from it same way we deduce from others.

Now Gospel of Barnabas says Jesus is NOT God and NOT son of God. Do you agree with that or not?.


Why Christians Hidden Gospel Of Barnabas

http://www.jesus-islam.org/Pages/WhyhaveChristianshiddenthegospelofBarnabas.aspx

DeathStroke007:
we talking Bible authenticity, you bring in Jesus and Quran.. are you educated at all?

me xef fuckup by answering u..

when you grow up and your common sense starts working.. quote me

Empiree:
And how is Barnabas a failed bible? ....because it contradicts some of your doctrines? . Aren't other Gospels failed too?

How about Gospel Of Judas, ever heard of that? . It defers with kjv and others as well. Havent you guys no sense to have figured this out. King James deficiencies gave birth to RSV. And yet you guys still telling us bible is the truth?

DeathStroke007:
chai.. who's talking about Quran here? why are you always going off point.. can't you just sit, reason, think, write and correct before you post??




Gospel of Barnabas and Bible is in question here..


you said gospel of Barnabas is fake due to its year..400yrs after Jesus


Bible is 600 years after Jesus..


so... you choose which one to believe..


your choice

DeathStroke007:
laughing hysterically... You are a definition of foolishness.



Let me ask you a simple question..


Gospel of Barnabas = 400 years after Jesus death right?

Bible = 600 years after the death of Jesus.



which one has the more believable probability??

DeathStroke007:
laughing hysterically... You are a definition of foolishness.



Let me ask you a simple question..


Gospel of Barnabas = 400 years after Jesus death right?

Bible = 600 years after the death of Jesus.



which one has the more believable probability??

600 years after the death of jesus ? And the quran was written during the time of jesus ? What a confuse muslim.

DeathStroke007:
laughing hysterically... You are a definition of foolishness.



Let me ask you a simple question..


Gospel of Barnabas = 400 years after Jesus death right?

Bible = 600 years after the death of Jesus.



which one has the more believable probability??

DeathStroke007:
seems you have a little sense and you think rationally unlike others...

I will help you..

go read all my post on gospel of Barnabas WITH OPEN MIND.

then compare it with Bible..


the outcome will be yours to decide..

Scholar8200:
This appears to support the growing Chrislam movement and also lend some credence to the conspiracy theories on similar topics.


According to paragraph 841 of the Catholic Profession of Faith:

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."330

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a9p3.htm

This is in direct contradiction of the Bible's position that:

23 Whoever denies and repudiates the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses and acknowledges the Son has the Father also:
1 John 2:23 AMP

The time will come when those who hold to this verse may be martyred or jailed for intolerance!

NobleAky:
I'm not in any way condemning the law, it equally comes from God. But relying solely on the obedience to law to be pure is impracticable as one must surely deviate. Law prohibits that which gladen our hearts and accepts that which our body find difficult to uphold...but the presence of the holy spirit in our body avails it 100% disposition to live a life devoid of sin

Skako:
do u have anything to say about igbo and yoruba abductors? even Christian abductors abi no xtian abductors?