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nasiayam:
Luke 9:3New International Version (NIV)

3 He told them: “Take nothing for the journey—no staff, no bag, no bread, no money, no extra shirt

Mark 6:8-9New International Version (NIV)

8 These were his instructions: “Take nothing for the journey except a staff—no bread, no bag, no money in your belts

I don't know if it's a typo or I got a bad Bible. Help.

DeCleff:
The Jews till date are waiting for Elijah and Emmanuel when they already came as John and Jesus Christ.

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OLAJADON:
their is a book of adith, that consisr of authentic adith...u cant just come here and tell us something is adith and expect of to believe u...moreover their are some adith that contradict the quran, you can find them in the adith book..u cn only find them online....their was a hadith i heard of that tlks abur mohammed eating and the stew fall on is shirt( those this make sense to u).... SO THAT WHY AM ASKING IS ADITH U ARE COATING AUTHENTIC? HOW DID U FIND IT? FROM WHICH HADITH BOOK?

OLAJADON:
where is it boldly written in the bible that jesus commands the xtins to pray in is name,
cc malvisguy212

Scholar8200:
The emphasis here is that the man in question had already resigned to fate and was not anticipating the coming of a son through Sarah. What makes this a miracle is that 1. GOD promised it and Abraham believed that promise; 2. Apart from that, Sarah was not only very old but as barren as a brick! . (that's why at 75, Abraham had Ishmael through Hagar).

Like I said, there was demonstrable basis for Abraham's faith in God. Considering his reaction when he had to dismiss Ishmael, you can tell that he was a real father who loved his kids. However, the second passage I quoted showed that Abraham knew even if he killed Isaac, it would not be the end; a rather foolhardy effort not different from expecting a child from a barren,dead womb!

lexiconkabir:
fixed!

lexiconkabir:
see, you have nothing to say, so stay off my mentions.

Scholar8200:
Christ has fulfilled the Law, the Words of God given by the Prophets have partly been fulfilled, some are being fulfilled, others are meant for the future. Over all these, God is watching!

OLAJADON:
where are u getting alk this hadith from? u can just come here and tell us simething is hadith and u xpect us to bliv u...moreover if they are hadith are they authetic??

lexiconkabir:
you are yet to be sensible abi? Allah didnt promise to guard the hadith, just like how he didnt promise to guard the torah or the injeel, the only book on earth Allah promised to guard is the Quran.

lexiconkabir:
No, Allah is the guardian over the Quran(He promised this Himself).

lexiconkabir:
The Quran tells us that two things were sent down to the prophet The book(i.e the Quran) and Al-Hikmah(i.e The Sunnah of the prophet), so dont get it twisted. Because the fake one contradicts the Quran, and Muhammad pbuh cant contradict his Lord, since it is meant to be a revelation.

Scholar8200:
If I am to use their logic on that other thread,if hadiths are revelations like has been affirmed, the existence of strong, weak and false hadiths also points to corruption and addition! Then, on what basis do they select which is true and false?

lexiconkabir:
its a revelation, which is the more reason why it shouldnt contradict the Quran, gorrit?

lexiconkabir:
receive sense! this is 2016, the brother has explained the reason that verse was revealed, i could bet that you didnt read it, thats why you still spewed this trash again.

AlMuflihah:
You see why we keep saying your bible isn't preserved. I really enjoyed your essay of how you proved it was there all along but you know the problem is I have read and also enjoyed several other christian scholars that argued it's a fabrication.
If a religion with about 2 billion followers can't even have a concensus on its most holy scripture I wonder if it's doctrines are even divine or just authored and edited as per whims.

lexiconkabir:
mtcheeew, those first facts that the author of the site have stated, already gives me what i want! atleast the author acknowledged everything i had said, period! case closed.

lexiconkabir:
Analice107, can you see that? it came from your role model malvisguy. Hope you know that this thing you copied and pasted does not support you in anyway? rather it exposes the fraud in your religion, thank you though, i will use this your post as reference later, if you like delete it, i have screenshots of it, so its of no use if you delete it

vzkpswaqnkhgytd:
How so?

vzkpswaqnkhgytd:
وَمَا مُحَمَّدٌ اِلَّا رَسُوۡلٌ  ۚ قَدۡ خَلَتۡ مِنۡ قَبۡلِهِ الرُّسُلُ​ؕ اَفَا۟ٮِٕنْ مَّاتَ اَوۡ قُتِلَ انْقَلَبۡتُمۡ عَلٰٓى اَعۡقَابِكُمۡ​ؕ وَمَنۡ يَّنۡقَلِبۡ عَلٰى عَقِبَيۡهِ فَلَنۡ يَّضُرَّ اللّٰهَ شَيۡـــًٔا​ ؕ وَسَيَجۡزِى اللّٰهُ الشّٰكِرِيۡنَ‏  <<- look closely at the Arabic

(3:144) Muhammad is no more than a Messenger, and Messengers have passed away before him. If, then, he were to die or be slain will you turn about on your heels? Whoever turns about on his heels can in no way harm Allah. As for the grateful ones, Allah will soon reward them.


When the rumour of the Prophet's martyrdom spread during the battle, it disheartened most of the Companions. The hypocrites who were in the Muslim camp began to advise the believers to approach 'Abd Allah b. Ubayy so that he might secure protection for them from Abu Sufyan. Some went so far as to say that had Muhammad really been the Messenger of God he would not have been put to death, and for that reason they counselled people to revert to their ancestral faith. It is in this context that the Muslims are now told that if their devotion to the truth is wholly bound up with the person of Muhammad (peace be on him), and if their submission to God is so lukewarm that his demise would cause them to plunge back into the disbelief they had cast off, then they should bear in mind the fact that Islam does not need them.

lexiconkabir:
I have always known you, in particular to be very irrational, how many times do i have to say this? Allah told we muslims that we should take the Quran as a criterion over all other things, be it books, acts, etc that has to do with the religion, check chapter 25 of the Quran to see this. Hadith was written years after the noble prophet pbuh, there are bound to be lies and errors in it, thats why hadith normally starts with "i heard from the prophet" meaning it should be scrutinized, it might be a lie ascribed to Muhammad pbuh, thats where the Quran comes in, if it contradicts the quran, then it is discarded, thats what it is.

lexiconkabir:
girl! i am quite happy you couldnt disprove the fact that john5:7 was never part of the bible, masha Allah , i'll keep striking all your hearts with Al-Haqq(the truth)!

malvisguy212:
thank you my good friend.

malvisguy212:
The Qur’an claims to be the eternal
Revelation of God. If true, how can an
eternal Book of Allah have such time-
bound revelations in it? The Qur’an itself admits that some of its verses were abrogated and replaced by others
verses.

To abrogate means to abolish, annul,
rescind, repeal or revoke. The Qur’an is
the only religious book that abrogates its own teachings. The concept of abrogation in the Qur’an is that Allah reveals a verse in the Qur’an that invalidates an earlier verse in the same Qur’an. This may lead to numerous difficulties for the readers of the Qur’an. In fact, it raises many questions. For example:

1. How can a Muslim know what is
abrogated and what is not?
2. Since the abrogated verses still exist
in the Qur’an, what is the use of
these abrogated verses for Muslims
now?
3. Would not this pose a problem for
the ordinary readers of the Qur’an to
verify what is abrogated and what is
not?
4. How would an average Muslim know
what is abrogated and what is not,
when even scholar disagree among
themselves as to the numbers of
verses that are abrogated?

However, if the Qur’an is the genuine
Word of God, then the commandments
written in it must by no means be
abrogated. Its contents must remain
intact and its messages unchanged. And
amazingly Allah agrees:

Surah 6:115: “The word of your Lord
is complete, in truth and justice.
Nothing shall abrogate His words.
He is the Hearer, the
Omniscient.” (Khalifa)
In other word, nothing can change is word. However, note the contradiction in Surah 2:106:

“Whatever verse we shall abrogate,
or cause (thee) to forget, we will
bring a better one than it, or one
like unto it. Dost thou not know that
God is almighty?” (Sale)

The concept of “abrogation” in the
Qur’an is that Allah reveals a latter verse that both supersedes and annuls an earlier verse in the same Qur’an.
Abrogation means to annul or cancel
something with appropriate or legal
authority. In this case, the authority is
none other than Allah himself. Surah
2:106 is central to the doctrine of
abrogation that is taught in Islam. Why
does an all-wise God need to reveal
“better” or “similar” verses to replace
verses that he had inspired only a few
years or even days earlier? Surah 2:106
is clearly making the claim that Allah will change and cause the older verses to be forgotten by revealing better verses or verses similar in kind. To emphasize the point, Allah states that he has power over all things.

The quran is disorderly chronological arrange One example of the disorderly chronology is that Surahs 2:193, 2:216 and 2:217 were revealed at the beginning of Muhammad’s arrival in
Medina. And it took another six years to
reveal Surahs 2:190, 2:191 and 2:192. Yet Surah 2:193 (which was revealed six
years earlier) was inserted to follow
Surah 2:192. How could it then be known which contradicting verses were the more authoritative? Without context and chronology, the “abrogated” and
“abrogator” verses render the entire
Qur’an irrelevant. For example, if one
verse encourages slavery and another
condemns it, which is to be believed and followed?
Truly there is a lot of questions we need to ask, the quran is not the word of God.

malvisguy212:
Sahih Muslim Book 13: 4016Ibn
Abbas reported: When Allah’s
Messenger (may peace be upon him)
was about to leave this world, there
were persons (around him) in his
house, ‘Umar b. al-Kbattab being one
of them. Allah’s Apostle (may peace
be upon him) said: Come, I MAY WRITE FOR YOU A DOCUMENTS ; YOU WOULD NOT GO ASTRAY AFTER THAT. Thereupon Umar said: Verily Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) is deeply
afflicted with pain. You have the
Qur’an with you. The Book of Allah is
sufficient for us. Those who were
present in the house differed. Some
of them said: Bring him (the writing
material) so that Allah’s Messenger
(may peace be upon him) may write a
document for you and you would
NEVER GO ASTRAY after him And some
among them said what ‘Umar had
(already) said. When they indulged in
nonsense and began to dispute in the
presence of Allah’s Messenger (may
peace be upon him), he said: Get up
(and go away) ‘Ubaidullah said: Ibn
Abbas used to say: THERE WAS A
HEAVY LOSS, INDEED A HEAVY LOSS,
that, due to their dispute and noise.
Allah’s Messenger (may peace be
upon him) COULD NOT WRITE (OR DICTATE) THE DOCUMENTS FOR THEM.

These Hadiths state one thing clearly,
which is that Mohammed died with a
revelation which he wanted to speak out but could not/did not. He wanted to give the Muslims something of importance which will keep them on the right path. But he could not write it because of the commotion around him. This revelation remains unspoken and unwritten and went to the grave with Mohammed. What does this say about the Quran?

Rilwayne001:
copy and paste.

nasiayam:
Trash post. Preaching hate
-1 you give non radicalized Christians a bad name

difakozigi:
Irrespective of what my Muslim brothers are saying, I don't believe Jesus(a.s) was brutal.
I believe he was less brutal than Muhammad (s.a.w). Our noble prophet fought wars, Jesus fought non. They were all destined by God almighty to live like that.
I was thought about the brutality of the both prophets of Allah by a Teacher in Islam. I was told he condemned all sorts of brutality, the modern bible just want to tarnish his image as that verse about Jesus and the sword was probably written by someone who knows nothing about him in totality. Even if it was compiled as been written by one of his closest disciplines, it was compiled by a pagan. The modern bible is far beyond what any righteous man on earth should believe. Everything is wrong about it.
I'm not advocating Quran because only those who God opens their mind will agree with the truth. The modern day bible is totally wrong, Quote me anytime!

reallest:
Don't fall my hand

Scholar8200:
Matthew 4:6,7
6 and saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

That passage is not for us to go up and down proving we are Christians by drinking poison even the disciples and the early church did not do that! Were they called Christians at Antioch for drinking poison?

But here is what it means:

3 And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid them on the fire, there came a viper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand. 4 And when the barbarians saw the venomous beast hang on his hand, they said among themselves, No doubt this man is a murderer, whom, though he hath escaped the sea, yet vengeance suffereth not to live. 5 And he shook off the beast into the fire, and felt no harm. 6 Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god.

Acts 28:3-6

You know not what manner of spirit you are of!