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lexiconkabir:
the jews of today, do they believe in the torah or not? i can see you clearly have nothing to say, hence the rubbish you are saying!

lexiconkabir:
i am 100% sure you either didnt read my post up there or you were too dumb to understand it. Ok, lets assume you are not bounded by the "old covenant" can you say the same for the banu quraytha, in case you dont know, banu quraytha were jews and they believed in this "old covenant", since they believed in it, they were judged using it, so whats your problem with that? and yes! never should you tell me to shut up, if you do, you wont like the outcome, ok?

malvisguy212:
Justification is the concept that provides
our belief with the assuredness of its
truth. People believe things for reasons,
which provide the warrant for their belief.Without these reasons,you do not have knowledge of what you believe. If a belief is JUSTIFIED, then we have the right to believe it. Atheists got it wrong, there view was; " since you cannot know something with 100% certainty, you cannot obtain the truth (or knowledge), you just have to believe ,God did it". The bible say otherwise, in Isaiah 1:18 God is calling human to "come and let us REASON together"

This brief journey into obtaining knowledge of what you belief was done in order to show the relationship between FAITH,BELIEF AND TRUTH . Christianity requires faith, faith requires
belief, and belief requires TRUTH.This is not just a mere belief but rather a trust that is characterized as knowledge.


Notice how Paul incorporates all three of these elements in his letter to the
Romans, “if you confess with your mouth, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved” (Romans 10:9). You cannot "confess with your mouth" without knowing the truth.

No matter how hard I try, I cannot make myself believe that there is a pink elephant in the room right now. I do not have direct free will over my beliefs, i.e. I can’t make myself believe something. I also cannot just tell people what to believe or exhort them to believe it. But if I don’t have free will over my beliefs, how can the Bible hold me responsible for them? The answer lies in the fact that I do have responsibility as to where I choose to focus my mind. I have free choice in body movements and where to place my attention (what you choose to think about). I have to choose to be preoccupied with something to change my belief or increase my certainty in that belief .Faith in the biblical sense means trust or confidence, confident in what we know to be TRUE. You do not have to be 100% certain in a belief for it to count as knowledge.

The bible say faith alone cannot save , why? because what you have faith in
must be TRUE, Biblical faith is accurate knowledge combined with ACTIVE TRUST Faith and knowledge are not opposed to each other. So Trusting faith alone does NOT save, but instead what is trusted MUST be true.

The faith Jesus had was not an absence of knowledge, but was based upon an intimate knowledge of his Father. We too can gain knowledge to make our faith richer.

malvisguy212:
Jesus is a very important figure in Islam.
Muslims believe, Jesus is just a prophet,
He was merely a prophet, a prophet
whose second coming will bring about
Allah’s judgement on the human race.

In the fourth book of the Quran, al-Nisa
(or “The Women”), we are told that Jesus
never died on the cross. Instead, Allah is a gifted trickster. Behold:

Quran 4:157 And [for] their saying, “Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.” And they did not kill him, nor did
they crucify him;but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.
Quran 4:158 Rather, Allah raised him to Himself. And ever is Allah Exalted in
Might and Wise.

No reason were given why Jesus was snatch from death. Allah couldn’t wait a few more days for Jesus to be executed. He needed Jesus in heaven right away. But he also needed Jesus to be executed. The solution? Snatch Jesus
from earth right now and pick someone else to wear Jesus’ face long enough to fool the executioners and the Jews.

In completing this absurd trick, Allah
must’ve known the following:

The crucifixion of Jesus would be used to create Christianity,the largest religion
the world has ever known–a rival religion, mind you. So it was all a ruse to
trick people into following the LARGEST
religion. Unfortunately for these cursed
Christian souls, Allah waited another 600 years before bothering to mention that the Divine Jesus myth in the bible was all a lie.

Those who died Prior to the coming of muhammed to clear this out , who's gonna take the blame for their unbelief ? Allah for tricking the Jews or satan ?

lexiconkabir:
i am 100% sure you either didnt read my post up there or you were too dumb to understand it. Ok, lets assume you are not bounded by the "old covenant" can you say the same for the banu quraytha, in case you dont know, banu quraytha were jews and they believed in this "old covenant", since they believed in it, they were judged using it, so whats your problem with that? and yes! never should you tell me to shut up, if you do, you wont like the outcome, ok?

TechRev:
You believe sunday is the last day of the week, those that follow Judaism believe saturday is the last day of the week. Please which is correct and why the confusion??

yetunsbay:
la illaha illa Lahu Muhammad rosullulah (SAW)

lexiconkabir:
malvisguy212, when will you stop this copying and pasting? i have comprehensively explained the issue of the beheading of banu quraytha in THIS THREAD, moreover it wasnt even Muhammad pbuh that gave the judgement of beheading, it was sa'ad(a former ally of the banu quraytha)that gave the judgement, banu quraytha chose him themselves to be their judge, and sa'ad gave the judgement according to this bible verse Deut20:12-14 "If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies."

Nubian113:
Ok. And you need basic respect and manners. Good luck on your life's journey on finding them. Better yet ask J

I take refuge from your kind. Adulilaaahi Mina shaytaaan a-rajiiiiiiiiim.

Nubian113:
So much so it sounds crazy


glad_tidings_2_the_strangers

BETATRON:
lol you missed a lot of point maybe intentionally or unintentionally(sentimentally)..you only quoted quran8-12 because it affirms your claim hence you paid a deaf ear to quran8:1 to 11

Let examine verse 9 of the same surah- it states--9. (Remember) when you sought help of your
Lord and He answered you (saying): "I will help
you with a thousand of the angels each behind
the other (following one another) in succession."

Now I put it to you--who seek for help---the one who is out numbered,distressed and under attack or the one with overwhelming number,attacks and who is rest assured of winning? apply your reason before you respond

--as regards--this goes a long way to explain surah8vs67 also

Need I mention that this verse was revealed during the battle of badr..maybe you should also study the historical battle of badr and see for you self who was the oppressors

----the same surah states that--And fight with them until there is
no more fitna (disorder, pROSECUTIoN) and
religion should be only for Allah"?-8
Vs39
The verse clearly states that the muslims should fight until there is no more prosecution in the land

--i also put it to you..is fighting against prosecution a defensive or an offensive war?

Haywhymido:
shut up fool, am nt one of dose u can fool

Haywhymido:
Fool fooling fools

BETATRON:
hatred not hatred bro..the jews also gave God a son--ezra

Does who. Kill or behead people for their unbelieve in islam are not following the teachings of the koran

Let there be no Compulsion in religion because truth stand clear from error-quran2vs256

Another one says-call people to the way of thy LORD with WISDOM and GOOD exhortation16:125

The koran even proclaims--do not let Hatred for a people lead you towards injustice

War is only allowed in islam in the case of defense not offense

lexiconkabir:
have you finished wailing? oya face front if you have nothing to say.

lexiconkabir:
gerrarahia mhen! I have chosen to keep mute on already refuted trash, you guys keep recycling the same bullsh'it everyday after they've been refuted, when you have a new question, you can call me, but this one is a no issue for me. sorry huh, try harder!!

lexiconkabir:
nawa o

BETATRON:
lol...understanding things hard for you oh..which language you be abeg lemme speak you language maybe you will understand

BETATRON:
seems you don't get the point..the koran is the criterion for other books authenticity not the other way round

Only the koran can be used to disprove the koran....it like saying christ won't come back because a catholic priest says so..definitely you will say the priest is wrong because and only because His statement does not tailor with the bible

Hope you get my point now..
Hope you're not a liverpool fan--smiles---

lexiconkabir:
The Quran is a criteron in checking the authenticity of other books, any book that contradicts the Quran is wrong, not the Quran, so all the hadith the op brought forth cannot and will never put the authenticity of the Quran in doubt.

lexiconkabir:
[b]For those trying hard to force contradictions into the Quran, when infact, there is none, Let me give you a little logic to ponder on, Allah(S.W.T) says "Will they not then meditate on the Qur'an? And if it were from any other than Allah, they would have found in it many a contradiction.", there are two ways to test if this statement is true, the first method is cumbersome, and that is by scrutinising the quran thouroughly, Alhamdulillah, all the alleged contradictions brought fourth by anti-islamist here on NL has been sent to the trash can by NL muslims. The second method is very simple, the word translated to "a contradiction" there is "ikhtilafan", now lets consider ikhtilafan as an entity not a word, which means we should write it as "many ikhtilifan" instead of "many a contradiction" implying we shouldn't see more than one ikhtilafan in the Quran, if we do, then that verse will be wrong, but surprisingly iktilafan appears just once, which is in that verse! ALLAHU AKBAR!!![/b]

BETATRON:
lol..its not like that bro..the hadith is contradicting the Koaran

The hadith the result of human narration the koran is DEVINE

Which do we take the DEVINE statement or the human statement.?

BETATRON:
like I said the koran is the furqan the criterion other books are not used to check the koran's authenticity but the koran to check other book's authenticity

And the koran stated in the verses that I have shown you that it is PERFECT and COMPLETE

So we cannot take the of a human narration over that of the Divine

BETATRON:
yes..do you have a problem with laying emphasis on a thing?

Like a teacher after delivering a lecture ask the student to pay attention on a particular topic..what's wrong with that bro?

BETATRON:
like I said earlier koran proclaims that muhammad(s) doesn't teach anything outside the tenets of the koran

What he wanted to reveal is just a clarification of some things in the koran or the person must fitting to succeed him after his death-still within the tenets of the koran

BETATRON:
funny you..by perfected it means THERE IS NOTHING MISSING IN IT...perfect is not only used in that context bro..that is why the ayah further state COMPLETED my favours...meaning that there is no verse that is missing in it...cause if a verse is missing it will mean the koran is imperfect and incomplete

Simply put ABSOLUTE

BETATRON:
and the last Ayah of the Holy Quran was
this:
This day have I PERFECTED your religion for you,
completed my favor upon you, and have chosen
for you Islam as your religion-quran5:3

The last ayah of the koran clearly shows that the religion was perfected--can a thing be PERFECT without being COMPLETE?

BETATRON:
...op nice one..but what you fail to understand is the koran proclaims that it is complete

--"And We have revealed the Book to you which
has clear explanation of EVERYTHING, and a
guidance, mercy and good news for those who
submit." (Qur'an 16:89)

---and another thing you fail to grab is we muslims see the koran as the FURQAN-that is the EVIDENCE OR CRITERION---hence the koran is used for verifying the autenticity of other book and NOTE THE OTHER WAY ROUND..

So when a thing goes contrary to the koran that thing is wrong not the KORAN

So please if you want to disprove the KORAN use the koran not another book narrated by a fellow human

YourMain:
So you mean to tell me, every single person in Jesus' time, was an aldutress ? Wow.

Lol obviously it's good moral behaviour to punish a aldutress as well no ? Why didn't Jesus also tell us to "let those without sin cast the stone first" when it came to every other sin. I'm sure a lot parents have lied in their lifetime, they probably still tell white lies here and there, and I'm sure they don't ask forgiveness for every lie. So why are they to spare not the rod then when you lie ? They are a sinner, you are a sinner. It's the exact same sin.