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Islam › Re: If These Quranic Verses Are True, Then What Is The Problem? by malvisguy212: 9:27pm On Jul 28, 2015

lexiconkabir:
ever heard of ROYAL WE? probably yes, but because of hate u will pretend you dont know, if you havent heard of royal we then your english teacher in ss2 should be questioned.

Surah.6:114 Shall I seek other than Allah for judge, when HE it is Who hath revealed unto you (this) Scripture,fully explained? Those unto whom WE gave the Scripture (aforetime) know that it is revealed from thy Lord in truth . So be not thou (O
Muhammad) of the waverers. Pickthall

The speaker here, whom we are
supposed to believe is Allah, says that he will not seek a judge other than Allah
and also uses singular and plural
pronouns interchangeably.

the royal plural doesn’t at all help the Muslim cause since it actually implies that Allah was addressing his royal court, his heavenly council. The online encyclopedia, Wikipedia, writes in regard to the purpose and function of
the royal plural:

Pluralis majestatis ("majestic
plural" wink

is the plural pronoun where it
is used to refer to one person alone.
This is also known as the " royal we"
or the "Victorian we" because it has
usually been restricted to august
personages such as monarchs,
bishops, Popes, and university
rectors. The reason behind the
pluralis majestatis is the idea that a
monarch or other high official
ALWAYS SPEAKS FOR HIS OR HER
PEOPLE.
Examples of purported instances:
We are not amused. Queen
Victoria (in at least one account
of this quotation, though, she
was not speaking for herself
alone, BUT FOR THE LADIES OF
THE COURT.)
We are a grandmother. Margaret
Thatcher announcing the birth of
Mark Thatcher’s son Michael in
1990.
It is to be distinguished from pluralis
modestiae, also pluralis auctoris
(inclusion of readers or listeners). For
instance:
Let's calculate! Leibniz
We are thus led also to a
definition of "time" in physics.
Albert Einstein
It was said that United States Navy
Admiral Hyman G. Rickover told a
subordinate that used the royal we:
"Three groups are permitted that
usage: pregnant women, royalty, and
schizophrenics. Which one are you?"
There is no such thing as the "Papal
we". The pope may use the "Royal
we". http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluralis_Majestatis

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Christianity Etc › Re: Ten Reasons Why The Gospel Of John Should Be Rejected by malvisguy212: 8:54am On Jul 28, 2015

Rilwayne001:
Illiterate, this has been the reason why you have been advice you to go back to school. What a knucklehead you are

The manuscript are said to have been kept with a collection of other Middle Eastern books and documents and remained unrecognised in the university library for almost a century. For many years, they had been misbound with leaves of a similar Koran manuscript, which is datable to the late seventh century.
But when a PhD researcher studied the two parchment leaves,she concluded that they should be properly examined. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11754962/Oldest-fragments-of-the-Koran-found-in-Birmingham-library.html

It is not until a radiocarbon analysis was carried out on the manuscript that this exciting discovery is made known.

thank you for the insult even Doug you cannot answer my questions, still something is not right.

Christianity Etc › Re: Ten Reasons Why The Gospel Of John Should Be Rejected by malvisguy212: 7:37am On Jul 28, 2015

Rilwayne001:
^^
Illiterate, read! Read! and Read. Stop copying and pasting for once. malvisguy212, use your brain for what its meant for and not the other way round,. http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/22/europe/uk-quran-birmingham-manuscript/
http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/7846208
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/22/oldest-quran-fragments-found-at-birmingham-university
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/07/world-oldest-quran-manuscripts-uk-150722110034399.html
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/worlds-oldest-quran-prophet-muhammad-era-manuscript-found-birmingham-university-1511971
http://www.worldreligionnews.com/religion-news/islam/oldest-quran-manuscript-discovered-at-university-of-birmingham

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jowQond7_UE

you should be the one to used your brain. This is from the link you paste:

" What is believed to be the world's oldest fragment of the Quran has been found at the University of Birmingham."

OUT of all places, its is in Birmingham!! England this manuscript is found? Lies from the pit of hell.

Christianity Etc › Re: Ten Reasons Why The Gospel Of John Should Be Rejected by malvisguy212: 6:36am On Jul 28, 2015

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-myths-koran-manuscripts.htm Koran: Earliest complete manuscript 200 AH or 800AD! Muslims are fond of the myth that there are complete copies of the Koran dating from the year Muhammad died. The scientific facts say otherwise! There are no ancient copies of the Koran dating before 750 AD in museums. We challenge you to prove us wrong! Send us the name, locate and date of the Koran written earlier! Email Brother Andrew Islam: Truth or Myth? start page The earliest complete Koran manuscript in existence in museums today are hundreds of years after Muhammad died: The Muslim false claim: "In other words: two of the copies of the Qur'an which were originally prepared in the time of Caliph `Uthman, are still available to us today and their texts and arrangement can be compared, by anyone who cares to, with any other copy of the Qur'an, be it in print or handwriting, from any place or period of time. They will be found to be identical." (Von Denffer, Ulum al-Qur'an, p 64) The truth: Although Muslims proclaim they have a Koran that dates to the time of Muhammad, the Reality is different. Two ancient partial copies of Koran that are in existence are the Samarqand MSS is in Tashkent, and the MSS housed in the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul. What many Muslim's do not know, is that because these two manuscripts were written in a script style called "Kufic", practicing Muslim scholars generally date these manuscripts no earlier than 200 years after Muhammad died. Had these two manuscripts been compiled any earlier, they would have been written in either the Ma'il or Mashq script style. John Gilchrist, in his book, "Jam' Al- Qur'an" came to this same conclusion. (John Gilchrist, Jam' Al-Qur'an, Jesus to the Muslims, 1989) Further, only one-third of the original Samarkand MSS in Tashkent survives. There are about 250 pages written in a bold Arabic script on deerskin. It is written in "Hejaz" in Saudi Arabia, so the script is Hejazi, (Kufic script). Now we do have one ancient copy of the Koran written in the Ma'il style of script, that is housed in the British Museum in London (Lings & Safadi 1976:17,20; Gilchrist 1989:16,144). But scholar Martin Lings, who was not only a practicing Muslim, but also a former curator for the manuscripts of the British Museum, dates this manuscript at 790 AD, making it the earliest. On the other hand Yasir Qadhi notes one Islamic Masters/PhD scholar who believes the Samarqand MSS is the 'most likely candidate for the original'. It is unknown, even by Muslims that authorities will not release photographs of the ancient Topkapi manuscript in Istanbul and so there are no known studies on it. This is why the Muslim apologist, M. Saifullah had to state "Concerning the Topkapi manuscript we are not aware of studies done it." (Who's Afraid Of Textual Criticism?, M. S. M. Saifullah, 'Abd ar-Rahman Squires & Muhammad Ghoniem) What is in this manuscript that Muslims are afraid to let the world see? After all in Qur'an 2:111 it says "Produce your proof if you are truthful." Even the earliest fragmentary manuscripts of the Koran are all dated no earlier than 100 years after Muhammad died. Add to this the fact that there is no archeological evidence dated at the time when Muhammad was alive, by way of artifact, manuscript or inscription has ever been found were Muhammad is actually referred to as "a prophet". If you don't believe me, listen to faithful Muslim, Ahmad Von Denffer, in his book, Ulum al Quran, in a chapter called, Old Manuscripts Of The Qur'an, "Most of the early original Qur'an manuscripts, complete or in sizeable fragments, that are still available to us now, are not earlier than the second century after the Hijra. [or 800 AD] The earliest copy, which was exhibited in the British Museum during the 1976 World of Islam Festival, dated from the late second century.' However, there are also a number of odd fragments of Qur'anic papyri available, which date from the first century." (Grohmann, A.: Die Entstehung des Koran und die altesten Koran- Handschriften', in: Bustan, 1961, pp. 33- cool

There are no ancient copies of the Koran dating before 750 AD in museums. We challenge you to prove us wrong! Send us the name, locate and date of the Koran written earlier! Email Brother Andrew

Christianity Etc › Re: Ten Reasons Why The Gospel Of John Should Be Rejected by malvisguy212: 6:36am On Jul 28, 2015

There are no ancient copies of the Koran dating before 750 AD in museums. We challenge you to prove us wrong! Send us the name, locate and date of the Koran written earlier! Email Brother Andrew

Christianity Etc › Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by malvisguy212(op): 10:55pm On Jul 27, 2015

malvisguy212:
Agnostics often fall into two camps - those who believe that all
religions can lead to God or those who believe that true religion cannot
be discerned. This page examines both positions in an attempt to
determine where the truth may lie. Logically, there are several
possibilities. Atheists would say that no religion leads to God, since He
doesn't exist. It is possible that one, several or all religions lead to God.

ALL WAYS LEAD TO GOD:
There are hundreds of religions in the world today, and many ancient
religions that are no longer practiced. It is possible, and perhaps likely,
that all religions contain some truth and/or good moral advice.
However, in examining religious teaching, it is important to examine
the fundamental beliefs of each religion and compare those to each
other. When this is done, it is apparent that primary religious teachings contradict each other. Judaism says that the Messiah is coming,
Christianity says that He has come, and Islam says that Mohammad
provided all the information necessary for religious life. Obviously,
these truth claims cannot be simultaneously true, since they contradict
each other. Logically, we must reject the idea that all religions lead to
God.

TRUE RELIGEON:IS IT POSSIBLE TO DISCERN?
I believe that there are some things that we can discern about God
from the nature of the universe. The universe demonstrates some
remarkable evidence of design. What kind of God designed all this, and how can we know His true identity? Most people who believe God
exists would agree with the argument that the God who designed the
universe must be a personal God. For God to put so much time and care
into the design of the universe and life, it would seem logical to
conclude that God really cared about His creation, and was personally
involved in it's creation. A God who did not care about his creation would never be expected to spend 14 billion years of development
just so that humans would have a nice place to live for a few thousand
years. Therefore, it would seem likely that the true God must be a
personal God, and not the God of deism, pantheism, Buddhism, etc. So,
it would seem that these religions probably do not represent the true
nature of God.
ELIMINATE THE ILLOGICAL:
The powerful and personal Creator God of the universe would probably
want to reveal Himself to His spiritual creatures. So, it seems likely that
God would have revealed His true nature to one or more of the
peoples of the earth. Are all the revelations of the world religions a
reflection of God or just certain one(s)? This is the difficult question that
cannot be answered in merely one short page. However, I believe one can come up with a best answer through much study and through the
process of elimination. For example, some religions make truth claims
that are obviously false. The LDS church (Mormons) claims that gods are created through procreation and that creatures created by those gods can eventually become gods themselves. However, this religion suffers
from the problem of how the first god came into existence. Logic
would dictate that God is eternal and uncreated. All religions that claim
otherwise would seem to be logically flawed.
BASIC RELIGEON CLAIM:
Since many religious claims contradict one another, it would seem that
not all religions could be simultaneously true. How can we tell which
religion(s) are true? If you examine the world religions, most describe
ethical and moral laws that are ascribed to God. Breaking of those laws
is an offense to God. How do different religions handle that problem?
Many religions say that if one tries to obey God's laws most of the time, God will accept you. However, I believe that we can eliminate
that idea as being true of the Creator God of the universe. God designed
physical laws of the universe. These laws are constant and
unbreakable. God Himself, seems to break those physical laws only
rarely. I propose that this God would not accept the breaking of His
moral laws so easily. In fact, from the nature of the physical laws, it would seem that God would not accept the breaking of His moral laws
at all. Nearly all religions claim that God will ignore our breaking of His
moral laws as long as we try our best. This is where Christianity differs
from all other world religions. Christianity says that our good works
cannot erase our bad moral choices. Think of it in terms of our legal
systems. We are convicted of crimes on the basis of breaking the law. If we break a law, we are found guilty under the law. It doesn't matter
what good things we have done in our lives, if we break the law. We
might get a lesser sentence, but we will still be convicted of a crime.
So, God cannot simply ignore our crimes against Him. We will be found
guilty, despite our good works. Christianity says that our bad deeds
(sins) must be eliminated in order to be acceptable to God. The elimination of sins was accomplished by the sacrifice of the Savior
(Jesus Christ). Jesus Christ is God Himself, who came to earth, led a sinless life, and died on the cross as a sacrifice to take the sins of
mankind. So, God Himself provided a means of eliminating our sins
against Him. However, the elimination of sins is not automatic. Since
God will allow people into His presence after death, they must agree to
His terms. This contract is executed through faith in the sacrifice of
Jesus Christ to eliminate our sins. By accepting God's terms, our sins are erased and we can stand in the presence of God without any sin. Only
our good deeds will be counted for our judgment. Those who don't
accept God's terms will be judged on the basis of God's laws - and will
be found guilty.
CHRISTIANITY IS DIFFERENT :
No other religion provides a provision for God's forgiveness of
sin, which is why I believe Christianity to be the only true way
to God. Jesus said He is the only way to God and that all people
must follow Him to enter heaven. All other religions are man's attempt to become acceptable to God. Only Christianity says
that God alone provides the only means to be acceptable to
Him. So, either Christianity is true and all other religions are false or
Christianity is false and God does not hold people accountable for law
breaking. Personally, I would not want to rely upon God ignoring His
own rules. It doesn't seem to be logical reasoning. This is the choice you must make.

CONCLUSION:
So, I encourage you to examine the world religions to see if what I am
saying is true. Don't give up on the ability to separate the truth claims
of the world's religions. If Christianity is true, you must make a choice
or you will be judged on the basis of your sins against God. Let me
know if you have any questions.

Christianity Etc › Re: Does God have a multiple personality /Are All Religions Except Mine Wrong? by malvisguy212: 10:54pm On Jul 27, 2015

badoosecret:
Does God have a multiple personality disorder?

At last count, there were . . . well . . . I won’t even try to count all the different religions in the world! Besides the large, well-known world religions such as Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and Judaism, there are countless smaller religions, including many varieties of traditional, cultural, and nature-based religions, throughout the world. There are also a billion or so people who don’t belong to any particular religion, either because they are atheist or agnostic or because they follow their own personal spiritual beliefs.

All of the religions have some concept of God—although some do not talk much about God. However, if we ask adherents of the various religions what God is like, we will get many different descriptions. Within the different religions God has been pictured as a male or female human being, as various kinds of mammals, birds, fish, reptiles, and insects, as a being with a human body and the head of an animal, as a tree or a plant, as lightning and thunder, as the sun, moon, or stars, and in many other ways.

When we start talking about the different mental and emotional characteristics of God, things get even more interesting. God loves and hates, is wrathful and merciful, is omniscient and forgetful, is unchanging yet relents from punishments that were planned, is all-forgiving but condemns everyone who doesn’t believe or do certain things.

Does God have a multiple personality disorder? How could one God be so many different things all at once? How could God be so many contradictory things at the same time? After all, if we ask people of the various religions how they know what God is like, most them will say that their beliefs originally came from God.

Are all religions except mine wrong?

Okay, there’s another possibility. Maybe all of those religions got it wrong.
Or maybe there is one that got it right. The religion I believe in! It may be Christianity or Islam, Hinduism or Buddhism, but if it’s my religion, it must be the right one. Otherwise why would I believe it?

It’s funny, isn’t it? No matter what religion we look at, the people who believe in it think they are the ones who have the real truth about God—and that all the other religions are a little bit off . . . or a lot off.

Of course, there are many religious people who take a broader view. But what about all the people who say that if you don’t believe in my religion, God will condemn you? What about all those Christians who say that you can’t be saved and go to heaven unless you believe in Jesus Christ?

If people in every religion claim that theirs is the right one and everyone else’s is wrong, how can we believe any of them? And why didn’t God make it a lot clearer to us humans on earth exactly what we’re supposed to believe about God and heaven?

https://www.nairaland.com/1999485/all-religions-lead-god-one

Christianity Etc › Re: September 2015 End Time Rumours by malvisguy212: 10:36pm On Jul 27, 2015

FlorenceBee:
Thank you sir,you won't believed tears came to my eyes just now.. because I just realised that the holy spirit just spoke through you..

also read this thread, you need it

https://www.nairaland.com/2318252/reason-why-prayer-not-being

Christianity Etc › Re: September 2015 End Time Rumours by malvisguy212: 10:31pm On Jul 27, 2015

FlorenceBee:
Thank you sir,you won't believed tears came to my eyes just now.. because I just realised that the holy spirit just spoke through you..

may God guide and protect us all in Jesus name. Thank you very much.

Christianity Etc › Re: September 2015 End Time Rumours by malvisguy212: 10:02pm On Jul 27, 2015

FlorenceBee:
Sir,how I can have the power to rebuke Satan too.. because his demons has been threatening me with death,

its is ONLY by the name of Jesus we are saved.

James 5:14-15, "Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing
him with oil in the name of the Lord: And the PRAYER OF FAITH shall save the sick,"

God says the prayer of faith shall save the sick. Whose faith? Well, certainly the one who comes to pray for you must be someone of faith.

Christianity Etc › Re: September 2015 End Time Rumours by malvisguy212: 9:56pm On Jul 27, 2015

FlorenceBee:
Hello sir the thing is that I do have dreams about rapture but I don't have them anymore,and sir I really want God to talk to me because there's a lot of things going on in my life,now I want to hear his voice too,I'm really confused about a lot of things in my life,how else can I live my life for God to talk to me

don't doubt God, do not believe this people you read their post here on nairaland, some may be agent of darkness trying to cast doubt in the mind of the believers , the devil knows he has little time , He will do All what he can to wrestles with the truth .the bible say in Ecclesiastes
Ecc.12:1
Remember your Creator in the days of
your youth, before the days of trouble
come and the years approach when you
will say, "I find no pleasure in them"--

Thank you and remain bless.

Christianity Etc › Re: September 2015 End Time Rumours by malvisguy212: 9:43pm On Jul 27, 2015

FlorenceBee:
Firstly sir..did all this happen in a dream or vision?

both in a dream, before this happened, I have even encounter satan appeared as an angel and I rebuke him.

God is not bound to keep our time , He will do what He promise He will do.

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Christianity Etc › Re: September 2015 End Time Rumours by malvisguy212: 9:12pm On Jul 27, 2015

reallest:
How does he look like?y is it hard to tell me how he look?

yes, its is hard to described what I see,I only saw light soo bright I cannot look directly into. And a voice say to me " you are my son, I love you"

Christianity Etc › Re: September 2015 End Time Rumours by malvisguy212: 8:54pm On Jul 27, 2015

reallest:
What's dis long epistle for?johnydon didn't I told u to expect dis?

accept it or not, its your choice, I cannot convinced you, but one thing I know, I have seen Jesus two times , first, he appear with his face a shying face , I cannot even raised my head to see it and second he appeared to me as a lamb, he save me from some evil men who wanted to kill me. Believe me, I am telling you the truth. Thank you.

Christianity Etc › Re: Ten Reasons Why The Gospel Of John Should Be Rejected by malvisguy212: 8:43pm On Jul 27, 2015

Rilwayne001:
There are many thousands of manuscripts of the New Testament. They all have mistakes in them. Lots of accidental mistakes (hundreds of thousands) from times that scribes were inept, inattentive, sleepy, or otherwise careless; and even lots of mistakes that appear to be places that scribes altered the text to make them say something other than what it originally said.
You don’t appear to get that with the Qur’an. - Bart D. Ehrman

and what about the quran manuscript?

Christianity Etc › Re: There Is No More Time The End Is Pretty Close *must Read* by malvisguy212: 8:39pm On Jul 27, 2015

UltimateDaniel:
This message is for all Christians!
I see this necessary to write on even at the beginning of this website. It has come to a point that most of the happenings Jesus said in (Mathew Chapter 24) all through have almost finished showing up.
I tell you, the end is pretty closer than you ever imagine.

The Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ has almost been preached all through the spheres of the earth.
Sit down and analyze things yourself. Only few places the gospel has not yet reached! And the only reason why the trumpet is yet to sound, why the rapture is yet to occur and why the sudden disappearance of people that signifies the very end is yet to begin is simply because, there are some few people left to hear the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. But, never have you felt this should be the reason why you should go ahead and misbehave without the conscience.

The End is near. What is happening today in mostly the western world, legalization of
See more at: http://www.allroundgospel.com/2015/07/there-is-no-more-time-end-is-near-must.html

they will mock you, they will never believe.

Islam › Re: If These Quranic Verses Are True, Then What Is The Problem? by malvisguy212: 6:28pm On Jul 27, 2015

truthman2012:
There is the satanic trinity in islam, comprising allah, Jubril and Muhammad. I think that is why they use 'WE'.

The Hindus have three gods as their trinity yet they recognise Muhammad as a prophet because they serve the same deity.

you are very correct. May God open their eyes to see the truth.

Christianity Etc › Re: September 2015 End Time Rumours by malvisguy212: 2:07pm On Jul 27, 2015

reallest:
Perphaps u should first describe the jesus u saw in ur dream,is he black or white?fat or slim?tall or short?

The last man to see Jesus as far as I am aware of was the apostle John, years after Jesus' ascension back into heaven. In highly symbolic language (the type of language in which the book of Revelation is written) John describes what he saw when Jesus appeared to him and commanded that he record what is now the final book in the Bible.

Keeping in mind the figurative nature of the words, as John, inspired by the Holy Spirit, writes concerning what he saw that day, note especially his description of Jesus,the same Jesus who had walked and talked with John on earth, but is now glorified.

The Vision on the Island of Patmos

"And I turned to see the voice that was
speaking with me. And having turned, I
saw seven golden lampstands; and in the middle of the lampstands one like the Son of Man, clothed in a robe reaching to the feet, and girded across His breast with a golden girdle. And His head and His hair were white like wool, like snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire; and His feet were like burnished bronze,when it had been caused to glow in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of many waters. And in His right hand He held seven stars, and out of His mouth came a sharp two-edged sword; and His face was like the sun shining in its strength. And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as a dead man. And He laid His right hand upon me, saying, 'Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore,and I have the keys of death and of Hades." (Revelation 1:12-18).

John's Reaction

"And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as a dead man."

Islam › Re: If These Quranic Verses Are True, Then What Is The Problem? by malvisguy212: 11:40am On Jul 27, 2015

truthman2012:
They will tell you it is a 'royal word'.

Where did they get that lie from? No king would address himself as 'WE'.

then, they will have to explained, if Allah and his crew bestow his/their spirit on Mary.

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Islam › Re: If These Quranic Verses Are True, Then What Is The Problem? by malvisguy212: 6:14am On Jul 27, 2015

Sabrwahaqqo:
Really?

christians believe in ONE God, as a muslims can you explained why the quran adress Allah using plurality?

Christianity Etc › Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by malvisguy212(op): 6:07am On Jul 27, 2015

malvisguy212:
THE QURAN GIVES AUTHORITY OF THE BIBLE:
The Qur’an, itself, the highest authority
for all Muslims, gives authority to the
Bible, assuming its authenticity at least
up to the seventh-ninth Centuries.
Consider the following Suras:

Surah 2:136 points out that there
is no difference between the scriptures
which preceded and those of the Qur’an,
saying, “ …the revelation given to us…and
Jesus…we make no difference between
one and another of them .”

Surah 3:2-3 continues, “Allah…He sent
down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel
(of Jesus)…as a guide to mankind .” Sura
h 4:136 carries this farther by
admonishing the Muslims to, “ …Believe…
and the scripture which He sent before
him .” In Surah 5:47,49,50,52 we
find a direct call to Christians to believe
in their scriptures:
“ …We sent Jesus, the
son of Mary, confirming the Law that had
come before him. We sent him the
Gospel… Let the people of the Gospel
judge by what Allah hath revealed
therein, if any do fail to judge by the
light of what Allah hath revealed, they
are (no better than) those who rebel…”

Again, in Surah 5:68 we find a
similar call:
“People of the Book!…Stand
fast by the law, the Gospel, and all
revelation that hath come to you from
YOUR LORD. It is the revelation that has
come to thee from THY LORD.”
To embolden this idea of the New and
Old Testament’s authority we find in Surah
10:94 that Muslims are advised to confer
with these scriptures if in doubt about
their own, saying: “If thou wert in doubt
as to what We have revealed unto thee,
then ask those who have been reading
the Book from before thee. The truth had
indeed come to thee from thy Lord .” And
as if to emphasize this point the advice is
repeated in Surah 21:7, stating;
“ …the
apostles We sent were but men, to whom
We granted inspiration. If ye realize this
not, Ask of those who possess the
message .”

Finally, in Surah 29:46 Muslims
are asked not to question the authority
of the scriptures of the Christians, saying;

“And dispute ye not with the people of
the book but say: We believe in the
revelation which has come down to us
and that which came down to you.”

If there is anything in these Suras which
is clear,it is that the Quran emphatically
endorses the Torah and the Gospel as
authentic and authoritative revelations
from God. This coincides with what
Christians believe, as well.
In fact, nowhere is there any warning in
the Qur’an that the former scriptures had
been corrupted, nor that they were
contradictory. If the Qur’an was indeed
the final and complete revelation, if it
was the seal of all former revelations the
Muslims claim, than certainly the author
of the Qur’an would have included a
warning against that which had been
corrupted in the earlier scriptures. But
nowhere do we find even a hint that the
Bible was contradictory, or indeed that it
was corrupted.

WHY WILL A FINAL REVELATION NOT GIVE WARNING OF THE CORRUPTION OF THE FORMER REVELATION?

ummsulaym read the above^^^ and provide your defence for the quran.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Bad Things Happen To Good People? by malvisguy212: 8:32pm On Jul 26, 2015

uzygirl:
You do not have to look far to see that evil and suffering abound today. Wars kill civilians as well as soldiers. Crime and violence victimize innocent people. Deadly accidents and crippling illnesses occur irrespective of a person’s age or status in life. Natural disasters wipe out communities indiscriminately. Prejudice and injustice are widespread. Perhaps you have personally suffered as a victim.

It is only natural to ask questions like these:

Why do bad things happen to good people?
Is God to blame for such things?
Are calamities random occurrences, or are they man-made?
Could it be Karma, that is, the result of one’s actions in a past life, that causes personal suffering?
If there is an almighty God, why does he not protect good people from harm?
Will life ever be free of evil and suffering?

To answer those questions, we need to understand the answer to this question: Why do bad things happen at all?

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1. All people will suffer at least somewhat because of bad choices that others make. In addition, because of the temporary nature of the universe, some bad things will happen to us due to "bad luck" or chance. However, these things will teach us to be more sensitive to the needs of others, and will prepare us to show God's love to others when
they suffer through similar things. God want us to learn from this life, not just have a party.
2.God did not design this universe to
be perfect, but as a temporary creation where free will beings make choices about where they want to spend eternity (in the new creation, which will be perfect).

Many things that people consider to be
bad are, in fact, useful in our spiritual
growth. The Bible says that trials in our
lives produce perseverance, which helps make us mature and complete. These trials also increase our faith - a "refining by fire." The Bible tells us that "all things to work together for good to those who love God."

Christianity Etc › Re: An Encounter With LORDS CHOSEN Church. by malvisguy212: 8:09pm On Jul 26, 2015

frosbel:
There is only one assembly , the rest are scams.

Mark 9:38-42 “‘Teacher,’ said John, ‘we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he wasn’t one of us.’ ‘Do not stop him,’Jesus said, ‘No one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, for whoever is not against us is for us. I tell you the truth, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to Christ will certainly not lose his reward.
And if anyone causes one of these little
ones who believe in me to sin, it would
be better for him to be thrown into the
sea with a large millstone tied around his neck.'”

Just as what you are doing, john was casting this men because they preach christ and healed the sick ,but what was the response of Jesus ? Jesus is saying to him, “Wait a minute John, the issue is not whether this man belongs to our group. There are true disciples outside our group.”
THE GRACE OF CHRIST WILL KEEP US
FROM THE DOMINION OF SIN.

Islam › Re: If These Quranic Verses Are True, Then What Is The Problem? by malvisguy212: 7:44pm On Jul 26, 2015

lexiconkabir:
@parisbookaddict @truthman2012 @true2god to settle this, who is up for a debate?

debate with you? you are very funny.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Second Coming: A Failed Prophecy??? by malvisguy212: 4:47pm On Jul 26, 2015

Emmeritus:
sorry to dabble in o oga malvis but which john are u talking about is it john the baptist?if it is,didn't he die before the bible was written?so how could he have revealed what was reveqled to him and to whom did he tell his revelation to?

john the beloved. One of Jesus disciple.

Christianity Etc › Re: End OF Days[end OF The Harvest] by malvisguy212(op): 3:22pm On Jul 26, 2015

Seun, Ishilove, Rockstation, Farano, Standd, Obinoscopy, Lalasticlala This thread deserve frontage, do justice pleased.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Second Coming: A Failed Prophecy??? by malvisguy212: 3:13pm On Jul 26, 2015

OlaoChi:
An unknown John bro. ..an unknown John

Just like Matthew, and The gospel of John were written by unknown authors

It's like they say Christians make horrible researchers of knowledge and information

provide your proof, john did not write the book of revelation? Bring it let see which site brainwashed you.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Second Coming: A Failed Prophecy??? by malvisguy212: 3:05pm On Jul 26, 2015

OlaoChi:
One problem here is nobody knows who wrote the revelations book.
Some how it just became part of the bible books

Revelation 1:1-3
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which
God gave unto him, to show unto his
servants things which must shortly
come to pass; and he sent and
signified it by his angel unto his
servant JOHN: Who bare RECOED OF THE WORD OF GOD, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. Blessed is he that READETH , and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are WRITTEN therein: for the time is at hand.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Difference Between Trials And Temptations by malvisguy212(op): 1:39am On Jul 26, 2015

malvisguy212:
Cc OAM4J

Christianity Etc › Re: The Shepherd Psalm by malvisguy212(op): 1:38am On Jul 26, 2015

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Fool Say There Is No God. by malvisguy212(op): 1:36am On Jul 26, 2015

saintneo:
thanks

Christianity Etc › Re: How The Passover Reveals Jesus Christ by malvisguy212(op): 1:29am On Jul 26, 2015

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