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lexiconkabir:
did u read the continuation of my thread of where i talked about the hadiths u just used?? if no then go nd check again, mind u research again and know that david wood invented the lie "muslim and paganism"

lexiconkabir:
and what do u call him?

lexiconkabir:
i made a typo error it should be "my" not "may", therefore that was my thread, well i opened a new thread cuz ur thread was kind of derailed, and my reply here is the answer to this current thread, BTW can u answer the question i asked?

lexiconkabir:
op, i hope u saw may thread answering ur thread? if not, click on it now. www.nairaland.com/2475175/answers-thread-muslims-clear-these concerning ur current thread, permit to say u copied and pasted cuz again the person u copied and pasted from translated the verses wrongly!!! but this time i would let u find out the true meanings urself, and oh yes dont you know that God has the power to do all things? he is the all-knower, the pardoner, the merciful, the sustainer, and so on. he has the power to make u believe and vice versa, not that he will lead u astray! but your deeds will lead u astray and who put disbelieve in mens heart? shaytan(satan). in nutshell, dont copy and paste, do the research ur self, i have a question 4 my christian friends, do u believe in one God as it is in the first commandment? if yes which God do u believe in?

reallest:
Get some sense,I live in d same country with boko haram who believe killing infidel is d best way to serve their sky daddy,does it mean I agree wit dem?does it mean everyone under nazi agreed dat killing jew is right?

dalaman:
The reason was because he had already promised them the land.

4"On this day in the month of Abib, you are about to go forth. 5"It shall be when the LORD brings you to the land of the Canaanite, the Hittite, the Amorite, the Hivite and the Jebusite, which He swore to your fathers to give you, a land flowing with milk and honey, that you shall observe this rite in this month. Exodus 13:4-5.

dalaman:
When your God and his prophets organized the killing of others in the bible because he wanted to take over their land that was flowing with milk and give it to his chosen people, honey did you call the action bad?

reallest:
Common u can do much more better dan dat,who need religion to know its not good to kill?

MizJanet:
Buhahaha , the KJV is now a condemned translation since it doesnt favour you . Lols . Its good that you guys are condemning your own bible .

Back to the matter :

Since the greek word " pneuma" translated spirit is NEUTER , is it gramatically proper to attach a masculine pronoun "HIMself" to somethin NEUTER ? GRAMATICAL BLUNDER

MizJanet:
What rubish are u blabbing ?
The christian god the holyspirit is a person , yet your god is denote with " It" , am sure u didnt do english at school , if you do you will know " ITSELF" is used for a thing .

MizJanet:
Before I proceed , am sure you did english at school . "it" and "itself" is used to denote a thing or an animal . So Christians should tell me where their God-the-Holyspirit belong !

Rom 8:26

" Likewise the spirit helpeth our infirmities; for we know not what we should pray for as we ought; but the Spirit Itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which can not be uttered"
AUTHORISED VERSION - KJV


Have you seen it ? U dont , look at the bolded color part again . Your bible infact the authorised version said it ! do you now admit that your god is a thing ?

Demmzy15:
It doesn't matter whether it was divinely commanded to Hagar, Hagar did it and God asked Muslims to do it as a commemoration of sacrifice by Hagar. Not that she was bowing to some idol, but running between two mountains looking for water.

Just like in Christian pilgrimage, many activities are done in which have no divinely proves. Safa and Marwah was legislated to the Muslims.

Rilwon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVWShgimuro&itct=CB8QpDAYAiITCJ3gh-vV78YCFSUbfgodYzEAmzIHcmVsYXRlZEibiYyD0L2PiAw%3D&hl=en&gl=NG&client=mv-google

Demmzy15:
Bros Rilwayne001 wallahi this guy is sooo dumb, he created threads about this nonsense and he was refuted to the core. https://www.nairaland.com/2408973/explanation-wanted

Even on plainbibletruth thread, he asked about the Kaaba and the black Stone and it was explained thoroughly for this lying hypocrite https://www.nairaland.com/2410291/which-son-did-god-ask/3

Malvisguy212 you made a point about Moses destroying the idols himself, didn't the Prophet Muhammad destroy the idols in the Kaaba too? Guy you're so dumb!!

sonmvayina:
The old testament and new testament are twp different documents for 2 different religion and 2 different purposes. the christain only added the old testament to the new so that they could sell jesus to the world..the jews know jesus is not the messiah. He did not fulfill any of the prophesy..There are contradiction in the ol testament because they are different Gods and different time in history..all looking for attention..some are benevolent others are not..it will be foolish for any body to think it is the story of one god...Enki, Enlil, Mardock,Inana...etc..

malvisguy212:
The festival of the Passover has been
celebrated by Jews for thousands of
years. It is the retelling of the great story of how God redeemed the Jewish nation from enslavement in Egypt. The
celebration itself was given to the Jews
while they were still in Egypt. The
original celebration centered around the Passover lamb, which was sacrificed and its blood put over the doorposts as a sign of faith, so that the Lord passed over the houses of the Jews during the last plague poured out on the Egyptians - the killing of every firstborn. To a large degree, the Passover lamb has been eliminated from the Passover festival (with the only remnant being the roasted lamb shank bone).

The New Testament says that Jesus is our sacrificial Lamb. The Passover lamb was to be a "male without defect,"
Exodus 12:5
The animals you choose must be
year-old males without DEFECT, and
you may take them from the sheep
or the goats.
Jesus forestshadowing this sacrifice in the new testament:
1Peter 1:18-19
For you know that it was not with
perishable things such as silver or
gold that you were redeemed from
the empty way of life handed down
to you from your forefathers, but
with the precious blood of Christ,A
LAMB WITHOUT BLEMISH OR DEFECT.

In addition, when the lamb was roasted and eaten, NONE OF ITS BONES WERE TO BE BROKEN. This fact was also prophesized for the Messiah, whose bones were not to be broken:
Exodus 12:46
"It must be eaten inside one house;
take none of the meat outside the
house. DO NOT BREAK ANY OF THE BONES.

Again our Lord Jesus christ forestshadowing this event:
John 19:32, 33, 36
The soldiers therefore came, and
broke the legs of the first man, and
of the other man who was crucified
with Him; but coming to Jesus, when
they saw that He was already dead,
THEY DID NOT BREAK HIS LEGS ;... For
these things came to pass, that the
Scripture might be fulfilled, "Not a
bone of Him shall be broken."
Psalm 34:20
He keeps all his bones; not one of
them is broken.

It was customary during crucifixion to break the leg bones of the person after a few hours in order to hasten their death. The only way a person could breathe when hanging on a cross was to push up with his legs, which was very exhausting. By breaking the legs, death followed soon by asphyxiation.However, in the case of Jesus, they broke the legs of the other two men, but did not break His, since He was already dead.

Passover symbolism Much of the symbolism of Jesus' last Passover week is lost to us because we are unaware of the customs of the time.
For example, Jesus came into the city of
Jerusalem five days before the lamb was killed in the temple as the Passover
sacrifice for the sins of the people of
Israel. Five days before the lamb was to
be sacrificed, it was chosen. Therefore,
Jesus entered Jerusalem on lamb
selection day as the lamb of God. The
people did not understand the
significance of this, since they greeted
Him with palm branches and hailed
Him as King, shouting "Hosanna,"
which means "save us." However, they
were not looking for a spiritual Savior,
but a political savior. Jesus' reaction was to weep, since He realized that they did not understand the Messiah's purpose in coming:
Luke 19:38
saying, "BLESSED IS THE KING WHO
COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD;
Peace in heaven and glory in the
highest!"

And the reaction of Jesus is :

Luke 19:41
And when He approached, He saw
the city and WEPT over it,

The day Jesus was crucified was the day
of the Passover celebration and the day
that the Passover lamb was to be
sacrificed. For the previous 1,200 years,
the priest would blow the shophar (ram's horn) at 3:00 p.m. - the moment the lamb was sacrificed, and all the people would pause to contemplate the sacrifice for sins on behalf of the people of Israel.
At 3:00, when Jesus was being crucified, He said, "It is finished" at
the moment that the Passover lamb was
sacrificed and the shophar was blown
from the Temple. The sacrifice of the
lamb of God was fulfilled at the hour that the symbolic animal sacrifice usually took place.
Matthew 27:46, 50
And about the ninth hour [3:00 p.m.]
Jesus cried out with a loud voice,
saying, "ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACHTHANI?" that is, "MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME?"... And Jesus cried
out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit.

The festival of unleavened bread began
Friday evening (at sunset). As part of the
festival, the Jews would take some of the grain - the "first fruits" of their harvest - to the Temple to offer as a sacrifice. In so doing, they were offering God all they had and trusting Him to proved the rest of the harvest. It was at this point that Jesus was buried - planted in the ground - as He said right before His death.
Paul refers to Jesus as the first fruits of
those raised from the dead in 1 Corinthians. As such, Jesus represents
the fulfillment of God's promise to
provide the rest of the harvest -
resurrection of those who follow the
Messiah.
Read more. http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/passover.html

Demmzy15:
It is clearly shown in the hadeeth, Muhammad is a Prophet of Allah and he received revelations from God.
Tafsir of the Quran by Ibn Kathir states:
".....Isma`il's mother then returned to her place, started drinking water from the water-skin and nursing Isma`il. When the water was used up, she and her son became thirsty. She looked at him, and he was suffering from thirst; she left, because she disliked seeing his face in that condition. She found the nearest mountian to where she was, As-Safa, ascended it and looked, in vain, hoping to see somebody. When she came down to the valley, she raised her garment and ran, just as a tired person runs, until she reached the Al-Marwah mountain. In vain, she looked to see if there was someone there. She ran to and fro (between the two mountains) seven times.'' Ibn `Abbas said that the Messenger of Allah said, "This is why the people make the trip between As-Safa and Al-Marwah (during Hajj and Umrah).''....."

These were things that were there before paganism.
They were rituals which were done by Abraham and Ishmael.
The people of the area followed the religion of Ibrahim through the guidance of Ishmael since he was the prophet of the area.
As time went on and he passed away the people started to stray away from the religion and started introducing foreign things and other gods into their worship.
In the end the only thing that was left from the religion of Ibrahim and Ishmael were those few things.


Did Bukhari write that this ritual was [size=14pt]introduced or first practiced by the pagan Arabs?[/size] You need to know the difference, it was practiced first by Hagar then the later generations which then plunged themselves into paganism continued this practice. The Prophet explained to them in the Ibn Abbas narration that it was this act of Hagar that Safar and Marwah was introduced. Understood?


Bowing down is a form of worship which is meant for God only, Jesus himself bowed down to God. But still today, we have religions in which it requires you to bow down to their idols. Now my question is, if Muslims, Christians and Hindus bow down during worship does that mean we're(Muslims and Christians) worshiping idols just because the Hindus do something similar? This was why the post of malvisguy212 was easily flawed, he tried to pull out similarities between Islam and Hinduism but at the end, Christianity and Hinduism have similar traditions too.


Thrash!

When Moses was away, didn't the Israelites bow down to a golden calf? A form of worship which God himself claimed is for him alone. Guy use your head!

truthman2012:
If Hinduis is right, what is the need for islam as they are the same. The name of Muhammad is in Hindus scripture. Why should Hindus, a religion of satan recognize Muhammad as a prophet if they are not under the same deity?

McSterling:
I don't have to want the Bible to contradict itself. The truth is that it does in many places. Many critical biblical scholars can attest to this. To say Jesus wasn't born as a result of the union of a man and woman is entirely a matter of faith, because as much as we know empirically, a zygote is only formed due to the fusion of the male and female gametes. If anyone claims otherwise, it would be only reasonable to disbelieve. If I claimed I was the son of Thor, would you take my word for it? Would you believe me?

frosbel:
The seed is ALWAYS from the MAN not from the woman, stop trying to confuse the house.

And when did someone become a legal son by marriage ?? I go die ooooo

frosbel:
How can you believe in something which goes against all logic and reason ?

Jesus had a dad and mum, period. Anything else is fallacy, fiction, a fairly tale and wishful thinking !

McSterling:
You funny sha. If Joseph wasn't Jesus' biological father, then they had no link by consanguinity. Except, of course, Joseph and Mary were related.

McSterling:
Haba! No vex. I think I mentioned something about the "legal" thing in one of my earlier posts. It was the view Augustine held and Tertulian disagreed with. But didn't the scriptures talk about the Messiah being an actual descendant of David and not one by legal right? Isn't biblical prophecy supposed to be precise enough? Because as far as I'm concerned, if Jesus is assumed to be a descendant of David just because his adoptive father was, then he really isn't a descendant of David. And about Heli being Mary's father, where does Luke say that?

McSterling:
Seems more like it. Take away the virgin birth and he could well be a descendant of David.

Rilwayne001:
Well, there is no need for further explanation or futile arguement since you can't comprehend it but can come into conclusion to suit what you want. But I believe definitely, the literate and unbiased individual will find it ease to comprehend this.

Have a nice day.

Rilwayne001:
First of all, do you comprehend the explanation given up there?

Rilwayne001:
Fool! Re-read the my explanation and the hadith in it or go back to school.

Illiterate.

Jagoon:
Does your terrible religion respect the belief of others

Rilwayne001:
As you can see @Demmzy15 and everyother reasonable individual reading this thread, the 2 fools above refused to read my explanation in full, or maybe they find it hard to comprehend. But instead of them to calm down and re-read the explanation again and again till their tiny is able to comprehend it, they rushed in quickly to repeat their stupidity.

Indeed, arguing with fools only brings one down to their level.