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malvisguy212:
A teacher is using the "scientific method"
to teach the class about evolution...
TEACHER: Tommy do you see the tree
outside?
TOMMY: Yes.
TEACHER: Tommy, do you see the grass
outside?
TOMMY: Yes.
TEACHER: Go outside and look up and
see if you can see the sky.
TOMMY: Okay. (He returned a few
minutes later) Yes, I saw the sky.
TEACHER: Did you see God?
TOMMY: No.
TEACHER: That's my point. We can't see
God because he isn't there. He doesn't
exist.
A little girl spoke up and wanted to ask
the boy some questions. The teacher
agreed and the little girl questioned the
boy.
LITTLE GIRL: Tommy, do you see the tree
outside?
TOMMY: Yes.
LITTLE GIRL: Tommy do you see the
grass outside?
TOMMY: Yessssss (getting tired of the
questions this time).
LITTLE GIRL: Did you see the sky?
TOMMY: Yessssss.
LITTLE GIRL: Tommy, do you see the
teacher?
TOMMY: Yes
LITTLE GIRL: Do you see the teacher's
mind?
TOMMY: No.
LITTLE GIRL: Then according to what we
were taught today in school, she must
not have one!

The above joke is a good lesson in the
problem of trying to prove the existence
of God using the scientific tools available to us. A Creator God, if He exists, must, by definition, exist beyond the limits of the universe in order to have created it. The laws of physics tell us that we cannot make measurements beyond the limits of this universe. Therefore, scientists can conclusively determine that we cannot ever detect God using any of our instruments.


However, God is not restricted to our limitations and could choose to reveal part of Himself to us. God could not reveal His entirety to us without causing
major problems in our universe. The sudden appearance of dimensions and matter(?) from outside the universe would destroy anything in the vicinity and maybe even destroy the entire universe. This is why the Bible says that nobody can see God and live.

However, God could reveal His nature by communicating with humans and
sending an incarnated version of Himself. This is exactly what Christianity
claims - that God gave messages to
humans (through the prophets) and sent an incarnation of Himself (His Son), who took on the form of a human in order to interact with humans directly.
Although you cannot see God directly in
this life (but you will see Him in the next) , you can experience Him through your spirit. This is the claim and promise of Christianity that accounts for its popularity. When you accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, you enter into a relationship with Him through the Holy Spirit. The indwelling of the Holy Spirit, which you will directly experience when you come to faith, confirms both the existence and the power of God to the believer. It is through this relationship that we can enter into the joy of the Lord and experience the fullness of the Christian life.

If you are not a Christian, you will not
believe what I just told you. I know,
because when I was an agnostic for 33
years, I did not believe that you could
have a relationship with God. Since 1988 I have been experiencing the joy of the fellowship of the Lord and I want the same for you. Don't wait! Get your
questions answered and come to faith
based upon the facts, and enter into the
joy that cannot be found through
anything else in this world.
Well, its your choice. Do you see your
mind?
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/notseegod.html

malvisguy212:
Christians often cite Psalm 14:1 as a
rebuke of atheists.However,the Hebrew
word translated "fool" doesn't have the
same connotations as the English word.
The passage actually says that we are all
foolish.

Psalm 14:1 is the verse that a lot of
Christians like to quote to atheists,
believing it is a rebuke of their atheism.
However, if we look at the entire
passage, we see a different picture:

Psalms 14:1-3: The fool says in his heart,
"There is no God." They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good. (2) The LORD looks down from heaven on the sons of men to see if there are any who understand, any who seek God. (3) All have turned aside, they have together become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one.

Christians usually only quote the first
half of Psalm 14:1, as if it is a slap in the
face to atheists. Is this really a verse
against atheism?

FOOL'S CHARACTERISTIC.
The second half of verse 14:1 says "They
are corrupt, their deeds are vile." At first, you might think that the "they" are those who disbelieve in the existence of God.
However, the end of verse 14:1 says
"there is no one who does good." One
might still think that the verse is referring to atheists. However, Psalm 14:2-3 make it clear that as God looks down on all people, He can find none who are not corrupt, emphasizing it with "not even one."

The Hebrew word translated "fool" is
nâbâl, which is an adjective having the
meaning of "stupid, wicked" or "vile
person." It comes from the root verb
nâbêl, which means "to fall away,"
"figuratively to be foolish or (morally)
wicked" or "causatively to despise,
disgrace: - disgrace, dishonour." So, the
Hebrew word nâbâl refers more to bad
moral character rather than just being
stupid. He is foolish because he thinks
God will not notice his bad behavior.

WHO IS THE FOOL?
The passage makes it clear that God can
find nobody who does good or even tries to understand God's ways. From God's perspective, not one person attains His standard of moral behavior. So, God sees all of us as fools. We all like to compare our behavior to that of others. Example!! When I was still a sinners(atheists)I was morally superior to most Christians. However, I was still not measuring up to God's moral code.

HOW TO MEASURE UP.
Unless you think you can lead a perfectly moral life, God has a solution for your problem. God's solution is to allow you to trade your moral imperfection for the moral perfection of Jesus Christ. The trade is accomplished through faith in Jesus' sacrifice as payment for your sins. The offer is really generous, but will cost you your self-righteousness. No, you can't remain an atheist either. As the psalmist says, you must "seek God."

CONCLUSION
The fool says there is no God. But, he is
not foolish because he is an atheist, but
because he thinks he can get away with
bad moral behavior. Psalm 14 goes on to say that all people are corrupt and there is not even one who does good. So, God says that we are all immoral fools. It is only through faith in Jesus Christ that we He can measure up to the moral perfection required by a Holy God. So what the verse is saying is DON'T BE A FOOL AND THINK YOU CAN MAKE IT ON YOUR OWN.

malvisguy212:
Psalm 23 has six verses.It is especially
appreciated by unsaved church people who like to think the Lord is their Shepherd when He's not. Unfortunately, some of the better known portions of Scripture are the portions that deal with anything except salvation. Perhaps the most well known verses of Scripture--or
portions--are the Sermon on the Mount, I Corinthians 13,the Ten Commandments, the Lord's Prayer,
and Psalm 23. Now, the reason why
these are favorites is because nothing
in one of those passages could tell anybody how to be saved. And all
those passages assume the man is either an Old Testament saint or a
New Testament saint. So all unsaved
people like those portions of Scripture
that don't call their sins to their attention.

But since we(born again) are saved, we do know the Lord is our Shepherd, and that He is our personal Shepherd. And I can truthfully say that the Lord is my
shepherd individually.

This is the Shepherd Psalm.Psalm 22 deals with the crucifixion of Jesus Christ and resurrection. Psalm 23, then, deals
with the relationship of the Lord Jesus Christ to the individual saint after the resurrection. And Psalm 24 plainly speaks of the Second Advent of the Lord Jesus Christ. The Psalms are laid out in prophetic order: Psalm 22, the crucifixion; Psalm 23, a picture of the Church Age; and Psalm 24, a picture of the Second Advent.

Psalm 23 has a beautiful outline: In
verse 1 we have a happy life. In verse
4 we have a happy death. And in verse 6 we have a happy eternity. In the great Psalm, Psalm 23, we find the Lord is with me, He is beneath me, He is before me, He is around me, He is after me, and He is ahead of me. Psalm 23 is David historically speaking about his relationship with the Lord, and pictures the relationship of the Christian who's got into the right fold.

The Lord is my shepherd" Notice the personal wording. The Lord is not our
shepherd. The Lord is my shepherd.
There's a big difference when you get
to know the Shepherd. "The Lord is
my shepherd.


The Lord is my Shepherd:
That's Relationship!
I shall not want:
That's Supply!
He maketh me to lie down in
green pastures:
That's Rest!
He leadeth me beside the still
waters:
That's Refreshment!
He restoreth my soul:
That's Healing!
He leadeth me in the paths of
righteousness:
That's Guidance!
For His name sake:
That's Purpose!
Yea, though I walk through the
valley of the shadow of death:
That's Testing!
I will fear no evil:
That's Protection!
For Thou art with me:
That's Faithfulness!
Thy rod and Thy staff they
comfort me:
That's Discipline!
Thou preparest a table before
me in the presence of mine
enemies:
That's Hope!
Thou annointest my head with
oil:
That's Consecration!
My cup runneth over:
That's Abundance!
Surely goodness and mercy
shall follow me all the days of
my life:
That's Blessing!
And I will dwell in the house of
the Lord:
That's Security!
Forever:
That's Eternity!

Rilwayne001:
Can you please provide these verses in their full context?

We would examine the bible after then.

MizJanet:

Its either you are nut or your religion is confuse , @ bold , so that means when the spirit of samuel appear to saul in your bible it has flesh since it look like an OLD man ?

But you guys stupidly said the flesh died and they wont have it again until resurection , how come the bible samuel can have flesh of an old man , since the xristian resurection have not occur ? Am sure you can see the contradiction.

Contradictions gallore

malvisguy212:
In the Bible we can read how. God cares for his prophets. He protects them from being deceived by their adversaries:

Psalms 105:14-15: “And God did not
allow any human to defraud them,
But on their account he reproved
kings, Saying: ‘Do not you men touch
my anointed ones, And to my
prophets do nothing bad.’”

In complete contrast, we find Allah doing the very opposite.He defrauds the
prophets by appointing evil men and
demons to lead them astray.

Surah 6:112: “So have We appointed
for every Prophet an enemy – devils
of men and Jinns; who inspire each
other with seductive, deceptive
speech which leads astray.”

Instead of protecting the prophets, why
should Allah personally appoint “devils
of men and Jinns” to seduce the
prophets to commit sin? Will the true God scheme with the demons to lead astray his own prophets?
Can you not see the immense
difference between Allah and Jehovah?
Who do you think behaves like a true
Creator? Who do you think behaves like a true God?

Surah 32:13: If We had so willed, We
could certainly have brought every
soul its true guidance: but the Word
from Me will come true, “I will fill Hell
with Jinns and men all together.” (Yusuf Ali)

How can you submit to a deity who
intentionally holds back guidance for
the sole pleasure of filling Hell with
mankind (and Jinns)?
How can you submit to a deity who is
more eager in fulfilling his quota of
people in Hell rather than guiding
them to their salvation?

Surah 5:41: “He whom Allah
doometh unto sin, thou (by thine
efforts) wilt avail him naught
against Allah. Those are they for
whom the WILL OF Allah IS THAT HE
CLANS NOT THEIR HEART . Theirs in
the world will be ignominy, and in the
Hereafter an awful doom.” (Pickthall)

mbolajide2010:
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I am forced to say you are too confused for my likings. I am sorry anyway if you are hurt.

How can you say Moses never declared that he was the way to the lord. Have you read the book given to him? Or do you think the bible covered everything about Moses the way the book(Torah) given to him did.

You probably have comprehension problem, by saying they are the way to the lord i mean you must believe in them to make heaven, you must follow their teachings.

You must be deluded by saying Muhammed never said he was the way to Allah.Why then is he the messenger? Why then do you have to believe in him as a muslim? Why then must you follow is teachings as a muslim to make heaven?

Look you said i don't understand the bible, but it is not my problem if the different versions of the bibles are not the same.Now, the verse i quoted for you was John 16:7 and i am sure you understood me but because you are hypocrite you pretended to act otherwise. Okay check that verse now and compare with this, "Jesus died because that is the reason for which he came and that is to take away the sins of those who believe in him." This is according to you.

I never said that the bible covered the life of Moses differently as the book(Torah) given to Moses did. But the bible didn't cover it as extensively as the book given to Moses. Same way the quran didnt cover the life of Jesus as the bible did.

Bro i wonder how passed in school as the holy spirit is yet to reside in you. Hence, your comprehension skills is low.

Please explain the contradiction between John 16:7 and "Jesus died because that was the reason why..." as you claimed.

freecocoa:
Who said anything about him not having free will? Freewill was part of his nature, agreed. I am asking where his bad nature came from? You said he was made perfect.

mbolajide2010:
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Look a muslim is an arabic word which literally means "one who submits." So anyone who submits to the oneness of God and believes in the prophet of his time is referred to as a muslim. During the time of Moses, he preached the oneness of God, and anyone who believed in the oneness of God and Moses as his messenger then was a muslim.

Jesus also preached the oneness of God, and those who believed in that oneness and Jesus as his messenger were muslims. So also for Muhammed.

The different forms in which they prayed do not matter as the books given to them were different. Also everybody prayed according to the book given to him. So the term muslim does not means the form in which you pray, but your submission to oneness of God and his messenger of your time.

Did Jesus\moses ever mentioned allahh?

This question shows that you are the dumb one here. Have you ever read the arabic version of the bible before? The word Allah is arabic word meaning the creator. Both arab muslims and arab christians use this word to mean God - the creator. Can you see how confused you are bro?

I am sure you have read my other posts, why don't you help your fellow brothers to answer the questions i raised.

Rilwayne001:
"Muslim" is an Arabic word meaning "one who submits (to God)". Search this online etymology dictionary for its meaning': http://www.etymonline.com/ All prophets are muslim because they submit to the Will of God, Jesus, Noah, Abraham Moses and every other prophets are muslim being the fact that they submit ti the will of God.

mbolajide2010:
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At the bolded, does that make any sense to you at all? The same bible that said God created man in his own image. Is that not a contradiction? Look i told you earlier that modern Christianity is so confused. Can you now see for yourself? See how confused you are too.

Quran uses plurality when he is talking about Allah and all his angels that works for him. For instance if you are the president of a country you can use "I" or "We" to address your administration. When you use "We" it shows humility.When Allah says "We" in the quran he is refering to himself and all his angels. That is God is even showing humility there. Can you see how logical Islam is as compare to Christianity?

You want me to accept Jesus as my saviour right? The same Jesus that couldn't save himself when he was about to be killed according to the bible.

Bro dont be confused as modern Christianity is.

AdeniyiA:
Jehovah is God.
Jesus is God.
Adeniyi is a god.
"God" is like surname for all those associated with Jehovah God or His children.

Seun is Osewa,
Seyi(seun's son) is also Osewa.
Psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

All children of God have "God" as their adoptive surname. Jesus calls Him "father"

CC MzNelly, OLAADEGBU , ichuka, malvisguy212

freecocoa:
You didn't answer the question.

If Satan was made perfect as you said, how could imperfection come out of something that's perfect?

freecocoa:
where did sin come from? Satan was the finest thing God made and he made all things perfect, who them created sin?

mbolajide2010:
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Oga act like a civilized person by stating the verse in the quran. Again, act like a smart person by attacking those questions too.

Thank you.

mbolajide2010:
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Can you explain Trinity please? Mind you i dont want to hear that if the holy spirit does not reside in you, then you can not understand it.

How can Jesus be God at the same time the son of God? How can God died in the first place? How can God be looking at those who killed his son till they killed him according to the bible?

Bro modern Christianity is so confused!

Thank you.

mbolajide2010:
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Don't be confused bro.

They tried to kill Jesus because they did not believe in him that is the islamic version of the whole thing; even till today they do not believe in Jesus. The Jews refer to those who believe or say Jesus is God as fools a little Google search would help you on this.

According to the bible you are a son of God if you follow the words of God; but john 3:16 was twisted, hence the addition of "begotten" to show that Jesus is the real son while others are fake sons.

Can you explain Trinity please? Mind you i dont want to hear that if the holy spirit does not reside in you, then you can not understand it.

How can Jesus be God at the same time the son of God? How can God died in the first place? How can God be looking at those who killed his son till they killed him according to the bible?

Bro modern Christianity is so confused!

Thank you.

truthman2012:
Yes

freecocoa:
It's no point even asking as they can't give an answer because all that never happened in the first place.

He made all things perfect, lucifer aka Satan, was even the most perfect, yet somehow in a perfect heaven, sin(that was nowhere before) found the most perfect thing an all knowing God created and corrupted it, where the feck did the sin come from if not from God who made all things? Nonsense.

Rilwayne001:
Whats your take on Mattew 5:9?

Then what is the essence of the genealogy of Jesus?



Woww! Are you sure of this? Can you back it up?



Trying to digress, isn't it?



BS.

Address my questions.

Rilwayne001:
Get this to your dead brain Mr. man. This is just sarcastic mockery on their part, much in the same way that the Romans mocked Jesus in the Bible:

Matthew 27:29 and then twisted together a crown of thorns and set it on his head. They put a staff in his right hand. Then they knelt in front of him and mocked him. “Hail, king of the Jews!” they said.

Does that mean they believe he is the king of jews?

Rilwayne001:
Man, that they call him the messiah doesn't mean they believe he is the messiah. They were mocking him.

malvisguy212:
Muhammad's followers and the Arabian pagans performed the Hajj shoulder to shoulder right up until the year before
Muhammad's last Hajj, at which time
Muhammad kicked the pagans out of the ritual that they had developed and
practiced in Mecca before Muhammad
was even born:

Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 26,
Number 689: Narrated Abu Huraira: In
the year prior to the LAST HAJJ of the
Prophet when Allahs Apostle made Abu
Bakr the leader of the pilgrims, the latter(Abu Bakr) sent me in the company of a group of people to make a public
announcement: 'NO PAGAN IS ALLOWED
TO PERFORM HAJJ AFTER THIS YEAR , and no naked person is allowed to perform Tawaf of the Kaba.'

Observ the wording in this hadith,"the last hajj" this word indicate that the pagan and muslims performed hajj TOGETHER."NO PAGAN IS ALLOWED
TO PERFORM HAJJ AFTER THIS YEAR" mark the end of this unity between muslims and pagan he retain most of the pagan ritual including" doing tawaf between safa and marwa . Some of Muhammad's closest followers didn't like to perform the Saee of al-Safa
and al-Marwah, for example, because
they knew it had been a ritual of Arabian JINN-DEVIL WORSHIP :

Sahih al-Bukhari 2 Book 26 710 Narrated
'Asim: I asked Anas bin Malik: "Did you
use to dislike to perform TAWAF BETWEEN SAFA AND MARWA?" He said,
"Yes, as it was of the ceremonies of
the days of the PRE -lSLAMIC PERIOD OF IGNORANCE , till Allah revealed: 'Verily!
(The two mountains) As-Safa and Al-
Marwa are among the SYMBOL of Allah.
It is therefore NO SIN FOR HIM WHO PERFORMS THE PILGRIMAGE TO THE KA'BA, or performs 'Umra, to perform Tawaf between them.'" (2.158)

The muslims know that doing tawaf between safa and marwa are jinn worshippers ritual that why the refused, muhammed had to intervene.

The vast majority of Muhammad's followers have not bothered to investigate where the tradition of Ramadan came from other than to believe that,like everything else In Islam, Muhammad engaged in it and/or
instructed his followers to.

In Mecca,the Ahnaf were called Sabians
because of the doctrines they embraced. Later, when Mohammed claimed to be a prophet, he was called a Sabian by the inhabitants of Mecca because they saw him performing many Sabian rites which included praying five times a day; performing several movements in prayer that were identical with the Mandaeans and the Harranians; and making ablution, or ceremonial washing,before each prayer. In the Qur'an,
Mohammed called the Sabians “people
of the book”like the Jews and Christians.

Rilwayne001:
Absolute BS.

The jews mockingly say that. They do not believe.

Rilwayne001:
You missed this part?

Rilwayne001:
It has been made clear in the Quran that the jews reject the truth Jesus preached and they sought to kill him. We all know the truth he preached, which is to worship one and only GOD in truth and to desist from sin.

The fact that they reject is prophethood alone is a proof that they reject the message he brought. [/b]

Rilwayne001:
The truth is to worship the One and only GOD ALMIGHTY in truth and desist from sin. The Israelite rejected his prophethood which is tantamount to rejecting his message. And they sought to kill him because they are obstinate to the truth.

resultcase:
And why are you so obsessed with Islam?