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Islam › Re: Muslims: Can You Clear These? by malvisguy212: 7:01am On Jul 22, 2015
(1) Both Hindu and Muslim male
devotees are required to shave their
heads during their pilgrimage.
(2) And similar to their Hindu counterparts, male Muslim pilgrims are
also required to dress in a garment
consisting of two sheets of white cloth.
This type of garment is known as Dhoti in Hinduism.
(3) Just as the worshippers of Shiva
observe a rite in which they walk around their object of reverence seven times,Muslim pilgrims also walk around the Ka’ba seven times.
(4) Both their objects of reverence are
Black Stones. In Hinduism, the Black
Stone is known as Shiva lingam.
(5) While Hindus drink water from the
Ganga River as part of the sacred rites in their worship of Shiva, Muslims drink
from the Well of Zamzam during the
Hajj.
(6) Additionally, the Crescent moon, which is associated with the Hindu deity
Shiva, is also a symbol for Islam. In the
Hindu portrayal of the Shiva symbol, the crescent moon is always painted across his forehead. Moreover, in every
portrayal of Shiva, there is always a
depiction of a snake curled around his
neck. Weirdly, in pre-Islamic times, Allah is supposed to have sent a snake to guard the treasures of the Ka’ba.
Islam › Re: Muslims: Can You Clear These? by malvisguy212: 6:49am On Jul 22, 2015
Rilwayne001:
This was the reply brother lanrex lan gave him:




Can we still after the underlined say this practise was copied from the pagans? NO. This reply has been brought to his face times without number. But due to the fact that they are not ready for the truth but silly back and forte arguement, he turned blind eye on it.
keep on deceiving your self ye ignorant muslims.
BEFORE islam came , the pagan has been doing safa and marwa long, islam copy it from the pagan:

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60,
Number 23:
Narrated By ‘Asim bin Sulaiman: I
asked Anas bin Malik about Safa and
Marwa (i.e. two mountains at Mecca).
Anas replied, “We used to consider
(i.e. going around) them a custom
of the Pre-Islamic period of
Ignorance, SO WHEN ISLAM ,WE GAVE UP GOING AROUND THEM. Then
Allah revealed, ‘Verily, Safa and
Marwa (i.e. two mountains at
Mecca) are among the Symbols of
Allah. So it is not harmful of those
who perform the Hajj of the House
(of Allah) or perform the Umra to
ambulate (Tawaf) between
them.’” ( Surah 2:158) [End of Quote]

Clearly written, the people who live during muhammed knows before islam came the pagan has being doing it, muhammed had to reassure his followers with another lying revelation:

Surah 2:158: “Lo! (the mountains) As-
Safa and Al-Marwah are among the
indications of Allah. It is therefore NO
SIN FOR HIM WHO IS ON PILGRIMAGE to
the House (of Allah) or visiteth it, to
go around them ( AS THE PAGAN CUSTOM IS ).” (Pickthall)

This verse explained everything why islam performed the ritual.A BLIND MAN CANNOT LEAD A BLIND MAN , THEY BOTH WILL FALL INTO A DICH.
Islam › Re: Muslims: Can You Clear These? by malvisguy212: 10:01pm On Jul 21, 2015
Demmzy15:
O boy calm down, visit the link and read. Stop playing boss here, we know how to deal with people like you.
can you paste the answer to the question ? If you cannot, don't quote me.
Christianity Etc › Re: How Is Jesus A Descendant Of David? by malvisguy212: 9:58pm On Jul 21, 2015
McSterling:
According to the gospels, Jesus was born of a virgin betrothed to a man named Joseph. Joseph played no role whatsoever in Jesus' conception. In other words, Jesus and Joseph had no relationship by consanguinity. But the genealogies in Matthew and Luke trace Jesus to David through Joseph. The Messiah was to be a descendant of King David according to the prophets. Since Jesus and Joseph weren't related by blood, isn't it erratic to trace him to David through Joseph? And since Jesus had only a human mother, the only way he would have been related to David would have been through Mary.

Even Luke notes in Chapter 3 verse 23 that Jesus was only "supposed" to be Joseph's son. It makes one wonder why he yet went ahead to trace him to David through Joseph. It seems rather like a frantic effort by the authors of the gospels to make Jesus the Messiah against all odds. What do you think?
malvisguy212:
the virgin birth is not a myth, God plans of salvation begins long before christ was born, go and do more study on the Passover, the Passover revealed Jesus christ.
The Passover lamb was to be a "male without DEFECTS," which is the same description given to Jesus, which indicate the virgin birth, christ was born without defects:
Exodus 12:5
The animals you choose must be
year-old males without DEFECT, and
you may take them from the sheep
or the goats.
I hope you know what this mean ?which prophet is without defect? On many occasion, bible say Jesus is sinless.
If you called this a coincidence, then what about this ? This is How they are to ate the Passover lamb:
Exodus 12:46
"It must be eaten inside one house;
take none of the meat outside the
house. DO NOT BREAK ANY OF THE BONES.
And this is the proved Jesus is the Passover lamb :
John 19:32, 33, 36
The soldiers therefore came, and
broke the legs of the first man, and
of the other man who was crucified
with Him; but coming to Jesus, when
they saw that He was already dead,
they did NOT BREAK HIS LEGS ;... For
these things came to pass, that the
Scripture might be fulfilled, "NOT A
BONE of Him shall be broken."
Bottomline!! Jesus is the Passover lamb who is without DEFECT , I advice you to do more study on the Passover.
@op
By the virtue of the marriage, Joseph become the legal father of Jesus and not the biological father,matthew trace his lagal line, matthew begins with Abraham: read it here http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Matt%201.1-17
And luke trace his biological line and it was in luke Jesus is called the son of God
http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Luke%203.23-38
Note: women are not added in geanology only men.
Jesus being the legal father of Joseph mean he bypass the curse of Jeconiah in Jeremiah 22:24-30, read it here:
http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Jer%2022.24-30
On the other hand, Luke, writing for
Gentile readers, carries his ancestral list
back to Adam, the progenitor of both
Jews and Gentiles, in order to prove
Christ to be the Saviour of both. Matthew gives the direct descent, from Abraham to Jesus, whereas Luke presents it in reverse order, from Jesus back to Adam.
Matthew, writing primarily an apologetic
to Jews proving Jesus to be the Messiah,
wanted to show Jesus’ legal right to the
throne of David.Therefore his genealogy
begins with Abraham and goes through
David and his son Solomon to Jesus’ legal father, Joseph. On the other hand, Luke is writing primarily to Gentiles and the world and, therefore, wants to show
Jesus’ physical lineage as the perfect
man. So he traces Mary’s line back to
Adam through Heli, Mary’s father- the
father-in-law of Joseph--and on through
David’s son Nathan.
Peace!!
McSterling:
According to the gospels, Jesus was born of a virgin betrothed to a man named Joseph. Joseph played no role whatsoever in Jesus' conception. In other words, Jesus and Joseph had no relationship by consanguinity. But the genealogies in Matthew and Luke trace Jesus to David through Joseph. The Messiah was to be a descendant of King David according to the prophets. Since Jesus and Joseph weren't related by blood, isn't it erratic to trace him to David through Joseph? And since Jesus had only a human mother, the only way he would have been related to David would have been through Mary.

Even Luke notes in Chapter 3 verse 23 that Jesus was only "supposed" to be Joseph's son. It makes one wonder why he yet went ahead to trace him to David through Joseph. It seems rather like a frantic effort by the authors of the gospels to make Jesus the Messiah against all odds. What do you think?
Christianity Etc › Re: How Is Jesus A Descendant Of David? by malvisguy212: 9:53pm On Jul 21, 2015
frosbel:
By natural birth through the seed of Joseph.

There was no Virgin birth , simply a myth.
the virgin birth is not a myth, God plans of salvation begins long before christ was born, go and do more study on the Passover, the Passover revealed Jesus christ.

The Passover lamb was to be a "male without DEFECTS," which is the same description given to Jesus, which indicate the virgin birth, christ was born without defects:
Exodus 12:5
The animals you choose must be
year-old males without DEFECT, and
you may take them from the sheep
or the goats.

I hope you know what this mean ?which prophet is without defect? On many occasion, bible say Jesus is sinless.
If you called this a coincidence, then what about this ? This is How they are to ate the Passover lamb:
Exodus 12:46
"It must be eaten inside one house;
take none of the meat outside the
house. DO NOT BREAK ANY OF THE BONES.

And this is the proved Jesus is the Passover lamb :
John 19:32, 33, 36
The soldiers therefore came, and
broke the legs of the first man, and
of the other man who was crucified
with Him; but coming to Jesus, when
they saw that He was already dead,
they did NOT BREAK HIS LEGS ;... For
these things came to pass, that the
Scripture might be fulfilled, "NOT A
BONE of Him shall be broken."

Bottomline!! Jesus is the Passover lamb who is without DEFECT , I advice you to do more study on the Passover.

@op
By the virtue of the marriage, Joseph become the legal father of Jesus and not the biological father,matthew trace his lagal line, matthew begins with Abraham: read it here http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Matt%201.1-17

And luke trace his biological line and it was in luke Jesus is called the son of God
http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Luke%203.23-38

Note: women are not added in geanology only men.

Jesus being the legal father of Joseph mean he bypass the curse of Jeconiah in Jeremiah 22:24-30, read it here:
http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Jer%2022.24-30

On the other hand, Luke, writing for
Gentile readers, carries his ancestral list
back to Adam, the progenitor of both
Jews and Gentiles, in order to prove
Christ to be the Saviour of both. Matthew gives the direct descent, from Abraham to Jesus, whereas Luke presents it in reverse order, from Jesus back to Adam.

Matthew, writing primarily an apologetic
to Jews proving Jesus to be the Messiah,
wanted to show Jesus’ legal right to the
throne of David.Therefore his genealogy
begins with Abraham and goes through
David and his son Solomon to Jesus’ legal father, Joseph. On the other hand, Luke is writing primarily to Gentiles and the world and, therefore, wants to show
Jesus’ physical lineage as the perfect
man. So he traces Mary’s line back to
Adam through Heli, Mary’s father- the
father-in-law of Joseph--and on through
David’s son Nathan.

Peace!!
Islam › Re: Muslims: Can You Clear These? by malvisguy212: 8:58pm On Jul 21, 2015
Rilwayne001:
Truth me friend, this old man is repeating his folly, recycling that has been debunked times without number. Here is one of those thread where he got beaten to pulp: https://www.nairaland.com/2287893/allah-loves-pagans-hates-jews/1
https://www.nairaland.com/1320867/why-allahs-reconciliation

NB; He is 'pointblank321' as well as 'cleansvessel'. I guess He has more than 20monikers.

It is better to leave them swim in their delusions.
good of you to paste that thread, NONE of your brothers answer the op question, this is from the thread you past :
By blenble:
can u hear urself?
Its like u dnt get d point!
imagine americans as idol worshippers
and they circle and bow down to mt
everest evry months and u come with a
religion u claimed to b true and conquer
america...what is d best thing for u to do
with those mountains? YOU ARE SUPPOSE
TO DESTROY THEM!
BT u nw say,no dnt destroy dem,lets b
doing d same thing-circling,bowing and
worshiping d mountain bt to honour our
god in d life of our great great
great...grand mother!
Kai,does dt make sense!
THIS IS ONE OF THE REASON Y I ALWAYS
SAY WE ARE NOT SERVING THE SAME
GOD!
THE GOD OF THE BIBLE WILL NEVER
ALLOW THAT!
This is why u muslims will never
understand why God instructs the israel
in d OT to always destroy all pagan
countries and THEIR gods====not bcus of
anything or that God hates dem,bt bcus
God does nt want them to start worship
THEM and later claim they are
worshiping HIM.GOD IS TOO HOLY TO BE
WORSHIPPED D SAME WAY IDOLS WERE
WORSHIPPED!(like u guys are doing). We
have so many of that in d Bible bt u ppl
will nt understand.TOTAL DESTRUCTION
OF THOSE IDOLS!
D fact that its been a way of worshiping
idol shld get u thinking!
How will u b circling d SAME mountain
some idol wrshippers were circling, AND
U SAY U ARE WORSHIPPING D TRUE
GOD??
What abt d demons in those
mountain,huh?
CNT U HONOUR ISMAIL MUM WITH
SOMETHING ELSE?
I AM NT SURPRISED THOUGH!
THE SAME MOUNTAIN??
Guy think!
SMH

Perfect example!!!
Islam › Re: If The Qur'an Is True, Then Islam Is False by malvisguy212: 10:38pm On Jul 20, 2015
Rilwayne001:
He came into being by the commandment of God i.e. 'BE' and he was. Same way Adam and Even came into being.

Now, you have been showed that Luke said Joseph is the father of your god, do you agree with him or not?
Adam was created without the agency of
a human father or mother because, as
the first man on earth, he could not have had earthly parents. Such an act of
creation was necessary at the beginning
of the world of mankind. Someone had to be created first. But in the case of Jesus, he was born without a human father when God’s natural process of
procreation had long been in existence.
Here we see God interrupting the course of nature,and overriding the very laws of procreation that he had himself
established, in order that Christ might
thus have a virgin-birth. Why? Surely
such an act could not have been without meaning. It points to the profound truth that Jesus Christ held a very special relationship with the One who was the architect of this miraculous conception a relationship that is shared by no other prophet.

You keep on repeating this RUBBISH!!! In every thread you followed, can you mention the traditions were women are name in geanology ?ONLY men are name that why luke name Joseph as the LEGAL father of Jesus and NOT the biological father.
Islam › Re: Muslims: Can You Clear These? by malvisguy212: 10:26pm On Jul 20, 2015
Demmzy15:
These are one of the reasons I don't want to address the OP, you utter what a mentally deranged child can't utter. Smh
nonsense!!! How many time muslims will give this lame excuse? There is nothing to argued about unless you know more than muhammed.
Islam › Re: Muslims: Why The Attempt To Kill Jesus? by malvisguy212: 8:12am On Jul 20, 2015
smartesboys:
amazing! Have you ever asked your mother why did she have sex with your father and gave birth of you, before you were born.
amazing! Have you ever asked your mother why did she have sex with your father and gave birth of you, before you were born.

amazing! Have you ever asked your mother why did she have sex with your father and gave birth of you, before you were born.
how is this an answer to the op question ?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Second Coming: A Failed Prophecy??? by malvisguy212: 7:27am On Jul 20, 2015
Reiyvinn:
Malvis my guy, what did you smoke eat this night?

Look at the two coloured and bolded statements, tell me how "some of. . ." [plural] can be directed to just John [singular]huh

I've always told you to stop smoking eating this thing. It's really not good for you bro!




This is absolute balderdash. My God, what's the meaning of thishuh

Let me jog your memory a bit to what Jesus said so you'll know that your attempt at playing smart here is really derisible:

"Truly I say unto you that this generation shall not pass away till all these things take place."
- Mark 13:30

What things??

v.22:- Coming of False Christs

v.24-25:- Darkening of the sun and stars falling to earth

v.26-27:- Coming of the Son of man with his angels to gather his elects

This is definitely apocalyptic, not about what he intended to "reveal" to just one man.

I'm tired of all these twaddle you often come up with. Sorry to sound so nasty but I seriously am.

Do a proper research before making an exegesis, not what you did up here.

Cheers.
after Jesus took john James and peter then he say those word to them ,but the prophecy was directed to john, peter and James were given a glimpse of christ second coming glory and in revelation john was given the vision of christ judging the world.
Out of curiosity, are you a jehovah witness before converting to atheists ?
Christianity Etc › Re: What I Saw On Nairaland That Discouraged Me From Converting To Islam by malvisguy212: 8:44pm On Jul 19, 2015
Demmzy15:
I refuted this nonsense some months back with your sister creating that thread. She created the same thread again with little 'zobo' on top and I still refuted her the second time! I can't repeat myself again, I've provided the link, so just click it and read. No one abused her, read the whole thread from the beginning. If you can't do that, don't quote me again! angry
no one abuse her ? The viewers should view the thread and see how you guys insulted her.

If you cannot copy your same answer and paste it here , then you are not being truthful, how many second will it take you to do it? Just few.
Christianity Etc › Re: What I Saw On Nairaland That Discouraged Me From Converting To Islam by malvisguy212: 8:32pm On Jul 19, 2015
Demmzy15:
Still the same old silly argument, you sister chop cain on her thread again. https://www.nairaland.com/2461070/make-eat-bitter-food-drink#36052278
nonsense, all what you guys deed was to insult her without answering her question, go and copy your answer and reply it here. Let see.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Second Coming: A Failed Prophecy??? by malvisguy212:
Reiyvinn
"Truly I say to you, there are some of
those who are standing here who shall not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom." ( Matthew 16:28)

This prophecy was directed to john , The prophecy was actually fulfilled in its
entirety in the late first century. If you
read the book of Revelation, you will see that John, the apostle to whom the
prophecy was directed, saw Jesus coming in His glory to establish His kingdom:
Revelation 21:2
I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem,
coming down out of heaven from God,
prepared as a bride beautifully dressed
for her husband.


This is what the entire book of revelation
describes - the second coming of Jesus
Christ. John saw it all in a vision, as it will
happen. The prophecy was fulfilled! The
prophecy does not say that John would
not die before Christ returned. It said
that he would not die before seeing the
return of Jesus Christ. What is awesome
about the vision reported by John is that
he did not understand what he was
seeing, but reported it as he saw it. As
such, he includes descriptions of a giant
meteor collision with the earth, battles
with mechanized machines that sound
like tanks, and huge armies(200,000,000
men), which would not even be possible
until at least the 20th century.

*modified*
I urged every christians brothers and sisters to read this thread, very interesting concerning the end of days.
https://www.nairaland.com/1853536/end-days-end-harvest
Christianity Etc › Re: What I Saw On Nairaland That Discouraged Me From Converting To Islam by malvisguy212: 7:58pm On Jul 19, 2015
Demmzy15:
Trash!!!!
malvisguy212:
Muhammed is a self proclaim prophet , their is NO way God will send a sinner as a prophet , a killer ,the quran its self even indicate muhammed is a false prophet:
Qur-an 69:44-46 And if he had
fabricated against Us some of the
sayings, We would certainly have seized
him by the right hand, then We would
certainly have cut off his AORTA. [Shakir]
Here the quran say if muhammed had fabricated false revelation, Allah will cut of his aorta, let's look at the manner of muhammed death:
Sunan Abu Dawud 4449 Umm Bishr said
to the Prophet during the sickness of
WHICH HE DIED , "What do you think about your illness, Apostle of Allah? I do not think about the illness of my son except the POISONED sheep of which he had eaten with you at Khaibar." The Prophet said, "And I do not think about my illness except that. This is the time when it cut off my AORTA."
There's that aorta again.what evidence do we need apart from this to proved muhammed is a false prophet ? I created a thread about this , but the moderator wast no time in deleting it
, here are more evidence,if the above hadith ,muslims disagree with it, here is another autheintic hadith:
Sahih al-Bukhari 4428 The Prophet in
his ailment in WHICH HE DIED , used to
say, "O Aishah! I still feel the pain
caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and
at this time, I feel as if my AORTA is being cut from that poison."
The aorta again "which he died"
Demmzy15:
Trash!!!!
Christianity Etc › Re: What I Saw On Nairaland That Discouraged Me From Converting To Islam by malvisguy212: 7:57pm On Jul 19, 2015
Muhammed is a self proclaim prophet , their is NO way God will send a sinner as a prophet , a killer ,the quran its self even indicate muhammed is a false prophet:

Qur-an 69:44-46 And if he had
fabricated against Us some of the
sayings, We would certainly have seized
him by the right hand, then We would
certainly have cut off his AORTA. [Shakir]

Here the quran say if muhammed had fabricated false revelation, Allah will cut of his aorta, let's look at the manner of muhammed death:

Sunan Abu Dawud 4449 Umm Bishr said
to the Prophet during the sickness of
WHICH HE DIED , "What do you think about your illness, Apostle of Allah? I do not think about the illness of my son except the POISONED sheep of which he had eaten with you at Khaibar." The Prophet said, "And I do not think about my illness except that. This is the time when it cut off my AORTA."

There's that aorta again.what evidence do we need apart from this to proved muhammed is a false prophet ? I created a thread about this , but the moderator wast no time in deleting it
, here are more evidence,if the above hadith ,muslims disagree with it, here is another autheintic hadith:

Sahih al-Bukhari 4428 The Prophet in
his ailment in WHICH HE DIED , used to
say, "O Aishah! I still feel the pain
caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and
at this time, I feel as if my AORTA is being cut from that poison."

The aorta again "which he died"
Christianity Etc › Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by malvisguy212(op): 3:23pm On Jul 19, 2015
Presbulg:
Opinions opinions opinions,NO GENUINE or VALID answer
Ifs buts and maybes

But why would a book written by men you people claim were inspired by God say contradictory things
come in this thread and take the challenge for the quran https://www.nairaland.com/2381817/contradictions-analyzed-bible-quran
Christianity Etc › Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by malvisguy212(op): 3:06pm On Jul 19, 2015
ShayGirl:
.


Much more explanatory.... Thanx
First, John was nearer to the cross
and probably heard things the others
didn't. John is referred to in scripture
as the disciple that Jesus loved (John
13:23).
Notice he is mentioned as being near the cross of Jesus.

John 19:25 Near the cross of Jesus
stood his mother, his mother's sister,
Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary
Magdalene. When Jesus saw his
mother there, and the disciple whom
he loved standing nearby, he said to
his mother, "Dear woman, here is
your son," and to the disciple, "Here
is your mother." From that time on,
this disciple took her into his home."

Notice, in the verse above, Jesus is
speaking only to Mary and John who
are directly below the cross.
When John recounts the events at the
cross, he's focusing on what was said
privately to him at the foot of the
cross and what's said to those
standing close by - the plea of thirst,
the statement of completion, and the
turning over of responsibility for
Jesus' mother to John.

Matthew focused on the words Jesus
said "in a loud voice" to all that were
there (the crowd).

The Last thing Matthew heard was
"My god, my God, why hast thou
forsaken me? Then a loud cry before
giving up the ghost.

Luke hears the same loud cry that
Matthew mentions, but also hears
after that, probably because he's
closer, "Father, unto thy hands I
commend my spirit". It makes sense
that he would say "My God, My God..." in a louder voice than he would say his last words commending his spirit into the father's hands.

When Jesus asked for something to
drink, he was speaking to those below
the cross where John was standing.
John heard what the others farther back heard, but also heard the dialogue about asking the people near the cross for water and his quieter statement, "It is finished".

Here are the three accounts put together:

"And about the ninth hour Jesus cried
with a loud voice, saying, 'Eli, eli,
lama sabachthani?' that is to say, 'My
God, my God, why hast thou forsaken
me?'....Jesus, when he had cried
again with a loud voice said , 'Father,
unto thy hands I commend my
spirit:'
(notice the cry with a loud voice is separated from Jesus commending His spirit, probably quieter), then he said softly, 'It is finished:' and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."
Christianity Etc › Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by malvisguy212(op): 2:54pm On Jul 19, 2015
Presbulg:
Lol... Source?

Seems to me you just picked the one that that suits you

Or Do I need need devine intervention to understand ?
after I provide bible verse you are still asking for source?
2 Samuel 21:18
But the king took Armoni and
Mephibosheth, the two sons of Aiah's
daughter Rizpah, whom she had borne
to Saul, together with the five sons of
Saul's daughter Merab, whom she had
borne to Adriel son of Barzillai the
Meholathite.
Christianity Etc › Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by malvisguy212(op): 12:57pm On Jul 19, 2015
ShayGirl:
Hmmmmm....
The only words I find too contradictory in d bible are d last words of Jesus on the cross...
(Mt. 27:46-50 & Mk 14:34-37) made it clear that "Eli ,Eli, lama sabachthani(My God, My God, why has thou forsaken me),were his last words...whereas (Luke 23:46) stated his last word was " Father into thy hands, I commit my spirit"....when (John 19:30) specified that he breath his last after saying "It is finished"....

op, could u pls throw more light on this
This does not show a contradiction any
more than two witnesses to an accident
at an intersection will come up with two
different scenarios of that accident,
depending on where they stood. Neither witness would be incorrect, as they describe the event from a different
perspective. Luke was not a witness to
the event, and so is dependent on those
who were there. John was a witness.

What they are both relating, however, is
that at the end Jesus gave himself up to
death. It could be said that Luke used the last words that he felt were necessary for his gospel account, which concentrated on the humanity of Christ (noted in the earlier question), while John, as well as quoting the last words of Jesus, was interested in the fulfilment of the salvific message, and so quoted the last phrase “it is finished”.

John 17:4 records Jesus’ prayer to the
Father in the light of Christ’s forthcoming crucifixion, stating that He had completed the work of revelation (John 1:18), and since revelation is a particular stress of the Gospel of John, and the cross is the consummation of that commission (John 3:16), it is natural that this Gospel should centre on tetelestai.
At any rate, if Jesus said ‘It is finished;
Father into your hands I commit my
spirit’ or vice versa, it would be quite in
order to record either clause of this
sentence, his last words. Luke-Acts
reaches its conclusion without any
climax, because the continuing ministry
of the exalted Christ through the Holy
Spirit and the Church has no ending
prior to the Parousia, and to record
tetelestai might have undermined this
emphasis, or it could have been taken
the wrong way. At any rate, no
contradiction is involved; purely a
distinction of emphasis.
Christianity Etc › Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by malvisguy212(op): 12:39pm On Jul 19, 2015
sportsmaster:
rilwayne001 does not know that many words are used figuratively in the bible.

he just picks the ones he wants to use there thereby taking it out of context.

The context itself defines the meaning of all the words.

Faith in luke 11 and luke 18 is different from the faith in the entire book of Romans.

In Bible interpretation,immediately the context changes,the meaning of all the Words changes.
God bless you my Good friend, that is the points.
Christianity Etc › Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by malvisguy212(op): 9:25am On Jul 19, 2015
OJODEL10:
Waiting for islamic defence.
still waiting for Islamic defence.
Rilwayne001 and co.
Christianity Etc › Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by malvisguy212(op): 9:22am On Jul 19, 2015
Rilwayne001:


Good deeds
Matt 5:16 "In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven." (NIV)

Matt 6:3-4 "But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." (NIV)
read the context and see if you are correct or wrong.
Christianity Etc › Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by malvisguy212(op): 9:00am On Jul 19, 2015
Rilwayne001:
grin grin Copy/paste war..Ti e ti ta laaro yii.
continue your distraction, one thing for sure you cannot defend muhammed or Allah here
https://www.nairaland.com/2381817/contradictions-analyzed-bible-quran

https://www.nairaland.com/2457757/deceptive-deity

https://www.nairaland.com/2455498/pagan-holiday

https://www.nairaland.com/2408973/explanation-wanted

The funny thing is that All your copy and paste proved what I've explained in the op. Soo continue your distractions.
Christianity Etc › Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by malvisguy212(op): 8:54am On Jul 19, 2015
Rilwayne001:


How many children did Michal, the daughter of Saul, have?

2SA 6:23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.

2SA 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the.son of Barzillai the Meholathite:
They where adopted children, from Merab, Saul's daughter (1 Samuel 18:19), the wife of Adriel, the son of
Barzillai the Meholathite.
Christianity Etc › Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by malvisguy212(op): 8:43am On Jul 19, 2015
Rilwayne001:
Do you answer a fool?

PRO 26:4 Answer NOT a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
Proverbs has much to say about
fools. They despise wisdom (Proverbs 1:7,
22, 10:21, 23:9); they are right in their
own eyes (Proverbs 12:15); they are
deceitful (Proverbs 14:cool and scornful
(Proverbs 10:23, 14:9). The wise are also
given instruction on how to deal with
fools in Proverbs. Instructing a fool is
pointless because his speech is full of
foolishness ( Proverbs 15:2, 14) and he
does not want wisdom and
understanding ( Proverbs 18:2).
The futility of trying to impart wisdom to
a fool is the basis of Proverbs 26:4-5,
which tell us how to answer a fool. These
seemingly contradictory verses are
actually a common form of parallelism
found in the Old Testament, where one
idea builds upon another. Verse 4 warns
against arguing with a fool on his own
terms, lest we stoop to his level and
become as foolish as he is. Because he
despises wisdom and correction, the fool
will not listen to wise reason and will try
to draw us into his type of argument,
whether it is by using deceit, scoffing at
our wisdom, or becoming angry and
abusive. If we allow him to draw us into
this type of discourse, we are answering
him “according to his folly” in the sense
of becoming like him.
The phrase “according to his folly” in
verse 5, on the other hand, tells us that
there are times when a fool has to be
addressed so that his foolishness will not
go unchallenged. In this sense answering
him according to his folly means to
expose the foolishness of his words,
rebuking him on the basis of his folly so
he will see the idiocy of his words and
reasoning. Our “answer” in this case is to
be one of reproof, showing him the truth
so he might see the foolishness of his
words in the light of reason. Even though
he will most likely despise and reject the
wisdom offered to him, we are to make
the attempt, both for the sake of the
truth which is always to be declared, and
for the sake of those listening, that they
may see the difference between wisdom
and folly and be instructed.
Whether we use the principle of verse 4
and deal with a fool by ignoring him, or
obey verse 5 and reprove a fool depends
on the situation. In matters of
insignificance, it’s probably better to
disregard him. In more important areas,
such as when a fool denies the existence
of God ( Psalm 14:1), verse 5 tells us to
respond to his foolishness with words of
rebuke and instruction. To let a fool
speak his nonsense without reproof
encourages him to remain wise in his
own eyes and possibly gives credibility to
his folly in the eyes of others.
In short, in negligible issues we should
just ignore fools, but in issues that
matter, they must be dealt with so that
credence will not be given to what they
say.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Proverbs-26-4-5.html
Christianity Etc › Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by malvisguy212(op): 8:37am On Jul 19, 2015
Rilwayne001
I challenge you to defend your quran here , but you couldn't, https://www.nairaland.com/2381817/contradictions-analyzed-bible-quran

All your muslims brothers are afraid of the thread.
Christianity Etc › Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by malvisguy212(op): 8:35am On Jul 19, 2015
Rilwayne001:
Does God Tempts?


"And it came to pass after these things, that God did TEMPT Abraham." (GEN 22:1)

"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." (JAS 1:13)





Is Earth supported?
JOB 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

JOB 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.


Is Heaven supported too?

JOB 26:11 The pillars of heaven tremble and are astonished at his reproof.





How old was Jehoiachin when he began to reign?

2KI 24:8 Jehoiachin was EIGHTEEN years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.

2CH 36:9 Jehoiachin was EIGHT years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD.
1. There is a difference between a trial and a temptation, although both come from the same Greek word peirasmos. They are often used INTERCHANGEABLE though. After all, temptation is a trial (of faith), and every trial is a temptation (to
grumble). When the word appears in the New Testament the CONTEXT helps us to see which interpretation is meant.
The difference between trial and
temptation is. temptation: "Do this
pleasant thing and do not let yourself be hindered by the fact that it is wrong,"
whereas trial says, "Do this good and
noble thing, and do not let yourself be
hindered by the fact that it is painful".
2.He spreads out the northern skies over
empty space; he suspends the earth
over nothing. ( Job 26:7)

He wraps up the waters in his clouds,
yet the clouds do not burst under their
weight. ( Job 26:cool

He covers the face of the full moon,
spreading his clouds over it. ( Job 26:9)

He marks out the horizon on the face of
the waters for a boundary between
light and darkness. ( Job 26:10)

The pillars of the heavens quake,
aghast at his rebuke. ( Job 26:11)

As one can see, Job comes up with some
rather remarkable insights into the
nature of the earth. He says that the
earth is suspended over nothing and that
the clouds carry water and have weight,
yet do not fall to earth. In the context of
the passage, it is clear that the "pillars"
are the mountains, which quake at God's
rebuke.

Whereas the Quran says the
earth is like a carpet that is held in
place by the heavy mountains, described
as being like tent pegs, so that it won't
move or shake, the Bible associates
the mountains with shaking and says
that, instead of placing the mountains on
the earth, God caused the mountains to
rise up. So, it is pretty obvious that
these pillars aren't holding anything up,
but are merely free-standing pillars,
similar to those found in Solomon's
Temple
3.Jehoachin's father, Madehim, became an unofficial co-ruler at the age of eight to train him! This was followed with Jehoachin becoming officially the king at his father's death at 18 years of age!
Christianity Etc › Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by malvisguy212(op): 8:12am On Jul 19, 2015
Jeffboi:
Thanks op.
Glory to our Father and His son Jesus christ.

Lalasticala ishilove. Last week Sunday, you guys put a thread about bible contradiction in the homepage, pleased see this thread as the rebuttal, put it to front-page. Thank you and God bless.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Fool Say There Is No God. by malvisguy212(op): 7:55am On Jul 19, 2015
saintneo:
good write up.
Hey mavisguy212, I would to blog this post of yours and the psalm 23 post as well; may I have your permission.


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Islam › Re: New Converted Muslimah by malvisguy212: 7:49am On Jul 19, 2015
Ahmed4002:
have you stop quoting your favourite quranic verses after I have explained every part of it. and even your fellow bigot understand the true meaning.

now it's another dimension. may God save you
I do not reply you because you type word I do not understand.
Christianity Etc › Re: Explaining Bible Contradiction. by malvisguy212(op): 7:47am On Jul 19, 2015
Cc lalasticala ishilove OAM4J
Christianity Etc › Explaining Bible Contradiction. by malvisguy212(op): 7:46am On Jul 19, 2015
Many times you will see some detractor bring out a list of so-called contradictions. There are many online and some are quite long. All go to great lengths to try and prove that the Bible is filled with errors. However, if one is looking at these passages objectively, you will find it is the list maker who is being dishonest in his approach. That's because they have chosen to ignore the context in which the statement.

You see,CONTEXT is really the thing that
determines what the speaker is trying to
convey for any passage. If I were to say "I missed my family today" you may
assume that I meant I felt a longing to be with my family when I couldn't. However, if I put the sentence in this context: "I missed my family. It looks like they left five minutes before I arrived." then the meaning of the statement changes dramatically. Finally, if the context is "We had a great time at the picnic. I hit all my friends with water balloons. I missed my family." then we have another meaning.

Let's extend this idea to two statements.
If I were to tell a co-worker on Monday "I had some good family time at the picnic", then later tell someone else "I missed my family" you might think this is a contradiction, but since the context for the second sentence may be understood in a different manner, you can quickly see that the contradiction doesn't exist.
Most of the contradiction fell into this error,the critics ignore the LARGE context.
EXAMPLE 1:
Exodus 32:14 vs. Numbers 23:19 - Does
God Repent?
Exodus 32:14 says "the Lord repented of
the evil which he thought to do" VS.
Numbers 23:19 says God does not repent:
ANSWER:
God is supposed to be all good and all
knowing, so why would such a God
change His mind or repent of something
He has decided to do? This is the
challenge offered above. Actually,
Numbers 23:19 is describing this very
aspect of God. God, speaking through
Balaam, explains His nature to the pagan king Balak and says, "God is not a man, that he should lie, Neither the son of man, that he should repent: Hath he
said, and will he not do it? Or hath he
spoken, and will he not make it good?"

However, Exodus 32:14 is a completely
different context. God is speaking with
Moses and telling him that the children
of Israel are sinning and their sins are
putting them in danger of being judged.
God then says "Let Me alone, that My
anger may burn against them and that I
may destroy them; and I will make of you a great nation." Now, God had previously promised that He would deliver the nation of Israel out of the bondage of Egypt and into the Promised Land. NOTICE how He says "Let me alone." This was a test for Moses. God wanted to see if Moses would intercede for the people and provide a way of escape for them.
Moses did as he should have and God
didn't destroy Israel. In writing this incident, Moses chose to use dramatic language to reflect the seriousness of the situation. By saying "God changed His mind" or "God repented", Moses employs what is known as an anthropomorphism - ascribing human qualities to God - to make his point. God promised that He would deliver Israel and He did. The "changing of mind" wasn't a change at all - God made good on his promise.
EXAMPLE 2:
Mark 15:25 vs. John 19:14-15 - The Time
of the Crucifixion
Mark 15:25 Jesus was crucified at the
THIRD HOUR VS. John 19:14-15 says the
SIXTH HOUR.
ANSWER:
Mark figures the time by Jewish reckoning, where the day would start at
sundown and be broken into segments.
We still see this today as observant Jews
start their observance of the Sabbath at
sundown. This would make the third
hour to be about noon.
The Romans reckoned their time
differently and their segments were
longer. Ancient Roman sundials show
that the daylight hours were divided into twelve equal segments, or hours.
However, there were only two major
segments, daytime and nighttime, with
the hours beginning at sunrise and
counted until sunset. Therefore, this
makes the sixth hour in Roman time also about noon. John's audience was the GENTILE church, so John uses Roman time throughout His Gospel.
EXAMPLE 3:
If God is full of love, why did
he destroy nations?
ANSWER: He destroyed them out of love for the people. Just like the world interceded and destroyed Nazi Germany to protect the people of the world from violence, God did likewise.
God destroyed the land in the time of Noah because of the violence it was filled with (Genesis 6:13). God destroyed
Sodom and Gomorra because of the violence that it was filled with (Genesis 13:13), and the fact that there was not one righteous man living there (Genesis 18:16-25). He threatened to destroy Nineveh because of the violence in their
land (Jonah 3:cool, but Nineveh changed their ways and was spared (verse 10). God destroyed Jerusalem because the city was full of violence (Ezekiel 7:23-25). God could not find one righteous man in Israel, so he had to destroy it to save the people from their misery (Ezekiel 22:29-31). If God would have found even one man that sought God's Truth,
God would have pardoned it (Jeremiah 5:1).
Peace.

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