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johnydon22:
[b][i]Let us then examine what you mean by forgiveness and what i mean by forgiveness.

You offend someone or perpetrate acts that goes against empathy on your fellow humans and then go to your room, kneel down and mumble some words to the ceiling IN JESUS NAME and then come and say you have asked for forgiveness and is forgiven? is that forgiveness to you?

if you want me to listen to you, you will have to respect my belief .

davien:
You're yet to prove me wrong...and I don't speak for atheists nor atheism...just myself,and I say forgiveness is tied to disagreements and/or less invasive harm/wrong doing...i can't say if it's important or not without determining the brevity of the offense.

someone wrongs me and says "I'm sorry, please forgive me", to me these are two different requests. Yes of course I can accept someone's apology, but who am I to forgive them? The responsibility to deal with the
consequences of ones actions both in
the physical world as well as in the
psychological world, is not mine to take
away from someone. I cannot take
away what you did to me. It is not my
place to say to you, it's ok, I forgive
what you did, now you can go on with
your life.

davien:
No,you attribute empathy and altruism that underlines social creatures to be the handiwork of a god..

Even if I give you the benefit of a doubt,a simple question like why we are still changing/modifying our ethics,laws and customs differently flies in the face of a hypothetical "everybody has a law giver in their heads"..

you are wrong, what is wrong has always been wrong, and what is right has always been right. If someone offend us we seek for justice but if we offend others we seek for mercy , as an atheist, is forgiveness important? And why ?

Delusiongirl20:
I've been following comments both theists and atheists in religion section on Nairaland for some months now, but never care to open an account because of the way the arguments sometimes tends to confuse me (getting attracted to atheist ideas). The confusion i mean is that there seems to be an element of Truth in the way those atheists reasons, especially if i go online and on YouTube to research on most of those things.

One thing i know is that i no longer believe in those things despite it has not been easy battling within myself. I have done a lot of researches on this issue. The more i research, the more it seems kinda man-made to me.

Am not an Atheist but a free thinker.

what's the different between atheists and freethinker ? If you chose to be an atheist, its your choice , God will not override your freewill it is the holy spirit that will convicte you of your wrong doing. Shallom.

davien:

Exodus 21:21 Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money. .

That's the continuation of the verse...it basically says beating a slave to half-death is okay,as long as he doesn't die the first day.

"If a man strikes the eye of his male or female slave, and destroys it, he shall let him go free on account of his eye. "And if he knocks out a tooth of his male or female slave, he
shall let him go free on account of his tooth." (Exodus 21:26-27)

"He who strikes a man so that he
dies shall surely be put to
death." ( Exodus 21:12)

However the new covenant indicate God has reconciled us to himself:

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is
neither slave nor free man, there is
neither male nor female; for you are all
one in Christ Jesus. ( Galatians 3:28)
knowing that whatever good thing each
one does, this he will receive back from
the Lord, whether slave or free.
( Ephesians 6:
And masters, do the same things to
them, and give up threatening,
knowing that both their Master and
yours is in heaven, and there is no
partiality with Him. ( Ephesians 6:9)
a renewal in which there is no
distinction between Greek and Jew,
circumcised and uncircumcised,
barbarian, Scythian, slave and
freeman, but Christ is all, and in all.
( Colossians 3:11)
Conclusion

davien:
malvisguy,what law giver told an atheist to go stand-by at a church to protect believers there...god or empathy?

read the op again, there is a God's consciousness in every man.

davien:
tell me when voluntary work involved beating "volunteers" to near death and not being responsible for their deaths if they didn't succumb to their wounds on the first day,or when you can be a "volunteer" forever if your master dashes you a chick...or maybe how the bible describes plainly how to buy people from the heathens around in cases of non-hebrew slaves..

this verse is not talking about Hebrew slave:

"If a man strikes his male or female
slave with a rod and he dies at his
hand, he shall be
punished." ( Exodus 21:20)

there are rules about slavery in the Bible, those rules exist to protect the slave. Injuring or killing slaves was
punishable - up to death of the
offending party. Hebrews were
commanded not to make their slave work on the Sabbath, slander a slave, have sex with another man's slave, or return an escaped slave. A Hebrew was not to enslave his fellow countryman, even if he owed him money, but was to have him work as a hired worker, and he was to be released in. 7 years or in the year of jubilee (which occurred every 50 years), whichever came first. In fact, the slave owner was encouraged to "pamper his slave".

johnydon22:
Lol. . . This is not the first or second time i have lectured you on human morality concept, its not my fault if you can't learn....

okay.

Delusiongirl20:
I don't know. Am confused.

Still your question gat nothing to do with commenting in a free for all forum

don't be confuse, God is REAL , there's God. Don't believe in this atheists on a faceless forum.

johnydon22:
This is not the first time this guy has brought the morality argument here and have been trashed many times. . . its just a very feeble argument that has no basis and am just too tired of treating the same old crap over and over again!

face it!! You have nothing to say concerning the op.

Delusiongirl20:
I know but that doesn't make sense, slave in the bible is even worse than the present days slavery which was abolished. Why not god said too, thou shall not enslave your fellow human as he commanded in other aspects of human life and interactions.

You are quoting satan in this issue of slavery. Kinda strawman argument. Open your eyes to reality and stop this complicitous attitude. Mentioning satan means nothing to me since i don't believe in imaginative fallacy. Though i have been saying such thing too when i was still a Christian, until i started reading some comments Nairaland that was directly opposing my believe as a Christian. The like of davien, johnydon22, menesheh, plaeton and so many others.

in the bible, people volunteers to work just to earn living still bible called it slave and in modern day slavery , they are forced to do things against their will , and you called this the samething ? Even went further to say biblical slavery is even worse than modern day slavery? Why are you allowing satan to come into your life ? Do you not know Jesus loves you ? Rebukes the devil and he will flee from you, the nairaland monikers you mention , ask them if they had disprove the existence of God , someone say God does not exist and you believe without asking question , this people deny "juju" exist and magic , do you believe them ? To be honesty , am sure you have come across juju or any spiritual things, this things are real, what's the use of eyes when the mind is blind ? Believe in someone on a faceless forum ? Seriously ?? Good for you.

Delusiongirl20:
Both old and new testament supported slavery. Check out tgis verses:

Exodus Chapter 21, verse 1:

Now these are the ordinances which you shall set before them. When you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing. If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master's and he shall go out alone. But if the slave plainly says, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free,' then his master shall bring him to God, and he shall bring him to the door or the doorpost; and his master shall bore his ear through with an awl; and he shall serve him for life.

Exodus Chapter 21, verse 20:

If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.
Not only does God condone slavery, but he is also completely comfortable with the concept of beating your slaves, as long as you don't kill them.

Exodus Chapter 21, verse 20:

If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.
Not only does God condone slavery, but he is also completely comfortable with the concept of beating your slaves, as long as you don't kill them. [/2]


Exodus Chapter 21, verse 32:

[b]If the bull gores a male or female slave, the owner must pay thirty shekels of silver to the master of the slave, and the bull must be stoned.

Not only does God condone slavery, but here God places a value on slaves -- 30 shekels of silver. Note that God is not sophisticated enough to understand the concept of inflation. It is now 3,000 years later, and a gored slave is still worth 30 shekels of silver according to God's word.

did you read my post at all ? Did I deny slavery is not in the bible ? The different is that , slavery is not the same as nowadays slavery , the verse you provide indicate ruled for slaves , the slavery you are trying to proved has NO ruled to guide them.

Like I say, Jesus death reconciled us , I provide a verse were its say , both slave and free , we are all ONE in CHRIST . But if you insist on your allegation against God word , its your choice , those who rebukes the manipulation of satan will reason with me . Peace!!

Scholar8200:
Indeed! A reference point that deals with the thoughts before/and the actions and that not only reveals the wrong but gives a lasting remedy, a means for freedom is needed:
Look at this scenario:
1. I won't steal because I find it repulsive.
2. I won't steal because I put myself in the shoes of the owner.(so far,so good)

3. I don't see anything wrong in sexual immorality as long as the other party is consenting. (At this point, the lust for pleasure will not make it repulsive, neither will it make you put yourself in the shoes of the parents of the lady!.)

4. After 3., an unwanted pregnancy occurs and here you are, still squatting and struggling to make ends meet, you think," It wont be fair to bring a child into this world to suffer" then you opt for an abortion:
i.At this point, empathy fails as you no longer consider the unborn child, risk to the mother, the parents of the mother etc.

5. Maybe you decide to keep the child and along the line, you get married to another person other than its mother, the selfishness and warped premise of point 3 shines forth as you have a child out of wedlock and no matter what, that child will not have as much of you as the ones born after your marriage! Is that fair?! Matters become worse if the mother also gets married to a man who will not keep custody of the same kid then it battles rejection and feeling of being unwanted (if suicide is not committed along the line).

6. Or let's say after 3, immorality continues and both parties remain consenting on the basis of marriage promises in future. After some years, you see someone else, and decide to marry her instead, whither your morality based on empathy? All of a sudden, acting based on empathy becomes impossible because:
i. you make the laws and can break it at will:
ii you consider your future happiness only and not that of your sin partner because you know she cant guarantee your happiness as much as the new person!

Conclusion morality based on empathy or personal conscience only, is inadvertently (and sometimes deliberately) skewed in the favour of the person, not others. That is not morality then but conditional fairness, the condition being your not having much to loose.

Good points bro, God bless you.

Delusiongirl20:
But the content of the bible doesn't appeal to my kind of person because most of its contents are immoral. For example, slavery, encouraged killing of other tribes - GENOCIDE, thou shall not kill but the same god told the Israelites to kill men, children, then keep the virgins, and numerous other immoral acts encouraged in the bible.

slavery are not allow in the bible , nowadays slavery is different from what the bible say about slave , for example Jacob VOLUNTEERS to work for his uncle yet the bible referee to it as slave.

According to Old Testament law,
anyone caught selling another person
into slavery was to be executed:

"He who kidnaps a man, whether he
sells him or he is found in his
possession, shall surely be put to
death." ( Exodus 21:16)

So, obviously, slavery during Old
Testament times was not what we
commonly recognize as slavery, such as
that practiced in the 17th century
Americas, when Africans were captured
and forcibly brought to work on plantations. Unlike our modern
government welfare programs, there was no safety-net for ancient Middle
Easterners who could not provide a living for themselves. In ancient Israel, people who could not provide for themselves or their families sold them into slavery so they would not die of starvation or exposure. In this way, a person would receive food and housing in exchange for labor.

Moreover christ death reconciled human and God ,we are all ONE in Christ including slaves:

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is
neither slave nor free man, there is
neither male nor female; for you are all
one in Christ Jesus. ( Galatians 3:28)

knowing that whatever good thing each
one does, this he will receive back from
the Lord, whether slave or free.
( Ephesians 6:

Which Genocide God deed ? present your case and narrate what causes it.

Delusiongirl20:
I don't prefer links, read it and comment more concise answer. Links show that you are don't Know what u are talking about. Each time, you research and post here

if you read through the thread , you will find out NO others religion gods seems to punihl those who break his moral law , I mean what is the punishment of not being a pagan ? The Hindu gods claimed life began with a group of people, this is scientific wrong because science confirmed life began with a single cell organism (God cannot tell lies) other religions claimed multiple gods but the moral law seems to indicate only ONE God design it ,infacte the word"uni" indicate ONE , only one God create this universe, islam say if your Good deed outweigh your bad deed , allah will forgive you , this type of judgment contradicte the moral Law which God himself design for example , if a man kill your love one and he was arrested, on the day of the trial , he pleaded " hey judge ,I have been doing good, I do not deserve to die , and the killer was set free " will you call the judge a good judge ? The bible say our God is a good judge , so God will not just seat back and allow human to break his moral law .

No other religion provides a provision for God's forgiveness of sin, which is why I believe Christianity to be the only true way to God. Jesus said He is the only way to God and that all people
must follow Him to enter heaven. All
other religions are man's attempt to
become acceptable to God. Only
Christianity says that God alone provides the only means to be acceptable to Him.So,either Christianity is true and all other religions are false or Christianity is false and God does not
hold people accountable for law breaking. Personally, I would not want to rely upon God ignoring His
own rules. It doesn't seem to be logical
reasoning. This is the choice you must
make.thank you.

Delusiongirl20:
Since the world is now a global village, which of the moral law givers should we choose out of thousands of others?



Options

Yahweh
Jesus
Allah
Krishna
Zeus
Budha
Eck spiritual grand master
...

the answer to your question is here https://www.nairaland.com/1999464/all-religions-lead-god-one

Milliprime:
Hmmmmm

are you an atheists ? Don't allow satan to manipulate you.

Why do people generally think that some actions are “right” and some actions are “wrong,” regardless of their subjective opinions? Why do most people believe that it is “evil” or “wicked” (1) for an adult to torture an innocent child simply for the fun of it? (2) for a man to beat and rape a kind, innocent woman? or (3) for parents to have children for the sole purpose of abusing them sexually every day of their lives?

Although objective morality may be
outside the realm of the scientific
method, every rational person can know
that some actions are innately good,
while others are innately evil. the man
who says that it is morally acceptable To
Molest little children, is just as mistaken
as the man who says that 2 + 2 = 5”
Most rational people do not merely feel
like rape and child abuse may be wrong; they are wrong innately wrong. Just as two plus two can really be known to be four, every rational human can know that some things are objectively good, while other things are objectively evil.

However, reason demands that
OBJECTIVE GOOD AND EVIL can only exist if there is some REAL, objective point of REFERENCE. If something (e.g., rape) can be legitimately criticized as morally wrong, then there must be an objective standard “some ‘higher law which transcends the provincial and transient’ which is other than the particular moral code and which has an obligatory character which can be recognized”

How can an atheists call something atrocious,wicked or evil? According to atheism, man is nothing but matter in motion . Humankind allegedly evolved from ape or should we say rocks and slime over billions of years. How could moral value come from rocks and slime? Who ever speaks of “wrong rocks,” “moral minerals,”or “corrupt chemicals ? People do not talk about morally depraved donkeys, evil elephants, or immoral monkeys.Pigs are not punished for being immoral when they eat their young. Komodo dragons are not corrupt because 10% of their diet consists of younger Komodo dragons. Killer whales are not guilty of murder. Male animals are not tried for rape if they appear to forcibly copulate with females. Dogs are not depraved for stealing the bone of
another dog. Moral value could not arise from rocks and slime.

The fact that humans even contemplate
morality testifies to the huge chasm
between man and animals and the fact
that moral value could not have arisen
from animals. Atheistic evolutionists
have admitted that morals arise only in
humans.

The moral argument for God’s existence
exposes atheism as the self contradictory, atrocious philosophy that
it is. Atheists must either reject the
truthfulness of the moral argument’s first premise (“If objective moral value exists, then God exists”) and illogically accept the indefensible idea that objective morality somehow arose from rocks and reptiles, or (2) they must reject the argument’s second premise (“Objective moral values exist”), and accept the insane, utterly repulsive idea that genocide, rape, murder, theft, child
abuse, etc. can never once be condemned as objectively “wrong.”
What’s more,if atheism is true, individuals could never logically be
punished for such immoral actions, since“no inherent moral or ethical laws” would exist.

Kay17:
Since God does not exist, at least in our minds, I believe we atheists have a wild freedom. I am careful not to use to free will because that has it own crazy baggage.

In absence of an all seeing authority, we find ourselves being our own guides and authorities. The weakness of our will represents laxer restraints. What guidelines are necessary to create our own unique morality? What does our morality aim for, since morality is a means to a goal? Greater civilization? Excellent individuals? etc

Why do people generally think that some
actions are “right” and some actions are
“wrong,” regardless of their subjective
opinions? Why do most people believe
that it is “evil” or “wicked” (1) for an adult to torture an innocent child simply for the fun of it? (2) for a man to beat and rape a kind, innocent woman? or (3) for parents to have children for the sole
purpose of abusing them sexually every
day of their lives?

Although objective morality may be
outside the realm of the scientific
method, every rational person can know
that some actions are innately good,
while others are innately evil. the man who says that it is morally acceptable to rape little children, is just as mistaken as the man who says that 2 + 2 = 5”

Most rational people do not merely feel
like rape and child abuse may be wrong; they are wrong innately wrong. Just as two plus two can really be known to be four, every rational human can know that some things are objectively good, while other things are objectively evil. However, reason demands that OBJECTIVE GOOD AND EVIL can only exist if there is some REAL, objective point of REFERENCE.

If something (e.g., rape) can be legitimately criticized as morally wrong, then there must be an objective standard “some ‘higher law which transcends the provincial and transient’ which is other than the particular moral code and which has an obligatory character which can be recognized”

.

freecocoa:
You are not making any sense, you are just joining issues. Take care.

thank you very much for your time, take care you to.

freecocoa:
Ok, God is perfect, yea?and the originator of all things, Where did imperfection, like sin come from?

your post indicate God created man to be perfect,right? To be perfect means you must have your own freewill, right? Okay!!! Freewill indicate every action you take is base on your OWN freewill. understand?? Let open our bible:

Scripture teaches that all men originate their own moral depravity (Genesis 6:12; 8:21, Deuteronomy 32:5, Psalm 14:1-3, Romans 23, Ecclesiastes 7:29). The Scripture teaches that men sin and corrupt themselves. In fact, early in
mankind's history upon the earth,
men had become so corrupt that God
sent a flood to destroy them.

"I will destroy man whom I have
created from the face of the
earth." Genesis 6:7.

Observe that God was angry with
"man whom I have created." Certainly
he was not angry with them because
of the nature with which he had created them. NO,it was because they had corrupted themselves that God was angry with them.

Genesis 6:11,12.

"The earth also was corrupt
before God, and the earth was
filled with violence. And God
looked upon the earth and
behold it was corrupt; for all
flesh had CORRUPTED HIS WAY upon the earth."

LET US ANALYZ THIS:
Corrupt mean what? To "corrupt"means to make morally
depraved. It means to pervert what is
good and upright. It means to make
unclean what was once CLEAN. It
means to spoil what was once good
and unspoiled. The word corrupt
always implies a former state that
was unspoiled, clean, good, or
upright. It is NEVER used to speak of
the ORIGINAL created nature of man. It
speaks of what man has become
because of spoiling or perverting the
nature with which he was created.

The Scripture does not teach that men
must have a sinful nature in order to sin; it teaches that men sin in spite of a good nature:

Ecclesiastes 7:29
"Lo, this only have I found, that
God hath made man UPRIGHT;
but they have sought out many
inventions"

If you do not agree with me, no problems, its your choice.

freecocoa:
are you alright? I said my case is with everything about the bible, whatever the bible stands for is my case, you do know the meaning of everything, right?

am fine thank you.

You mean the whole message in the bible, you hate them ? Including this :

Matthew 5:43-48
Love for Enemies
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love
your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’
44 But I tell you, love your enemies and
pray for those who persecute you, 45
that you may be children of your Father
in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on
the evil and the good, and sends rain on
the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If
you love those who love you, what
reward will you get? Are not even the tax
collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet
only your own people, what are you
doing more than others? Do not even
pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore,
as your heavenly Father is perfect.

What is it you don't understand?

Dmcool:
If Social Media Was There In The Bible Days, Some PMs and posts would be like

1. Guys its scary, Lot's wife just turned into a pillar of salt #Shaking#

2. Pimping my camel....... Jerusalem here I come.

3. Chilling with Moses at Mount Sinai..... miracles are doing down here. #OMG#

4. Adam and hobby got banished....... They ate from the forbidden fruit #shm

5. Chilling in first class at Noah's Ark.... The view here is fantastic... But 'em Lion keep staring at me #Weird

6. Some people are so cruel! Cain, how do u kill your own brother. #RIP

7. #OMG Jesus just turned water into wine, Guys don high, we gonna party till mama calls.


Feel free to add urs.

this is the type of thread nairaland moderator love , mocking thread .*when they say peace and safety then sudden destruction came upon them *

Psalm 23 has six verses.It is especially
appreciated by unsaved church people
who like to think the Lord is their
Shepherd when He's not. Unfortunately,
some of the better known portions of
Scripture are the portions that deal with
anything except salvation. Perhaps the
most well known verses of Scripture--or
portions--are the Sermon on the Mount, I
Corinthians 13,the Ten Commandments,
the Lord's Prayer,
and Psalm 23. Now, the reason why
these are favorites is because nothing
in one of those passages could tell
anybody how to be saved. And all
those passages assume the man is either
an Old Testament saint or a
New Testament saint. So all unsaved
people like those portions of Scripture
that don't call their sins to their
attention.
But since we(born again) are saved, we
do know the Lord is our Shepherd, and
that He is our personal Shepherd. And I
can truthfully say that the Lord is my
shepherd individually.
This is the Shepherd Psalm.Psalm 22
deals with the crucifixion of Jesus Christ
and resurrection. Psalm 23, then, deals
with the relationship of the Lord Jesus
Christ to the individual saint after the
resurrection. And Psalm 24 plainly
speaks of the Second Advent of the Lord
Jesus Christ. The Psalms are laid out in
prophetic order: Psalm 22, the
crucifixion; Psalm 23, a picture of the
Church Age; and Psalm 24, a picture of
the Second Advent.
Psalm 23 has a beautiful outline: In
verse 1 we have a happy life. In verse
4 we have a happy death. And in verse 6
we have a happy eternity. In the great
Psalm, Psalm 23, we find the Lord is with
me, He is beneath me, He is before me,
He is around me, He is after me, and He
is ahead of me. Psalm 23 is David
historically speaking about his
relationship with the Lord, and pictures
the relationship of the Christian who's
got into the right fold.
The Lord is my shepherd" Notice the
personal wording. The Lord is not our
shepherd. The Lord is my shepherd.
There's a big difference when you get
to know the Shepherd. "The Lord is
my shepherd.
The Lord is my Shepherd:
That's Relationship!
I shall not want:
That's Supply!
He maketh me to lie down in
green pastures:
That's Rest!
He leadeth me beside the still
waters:
That's Refreshment!
He restoreth my soul:
That's Healing!
He leadeth me in the paths of
righteousness:
That's Guidance!
For His name sake:
That's Purpose!
Yea, though I walk through the
valley of the shadow of death:
That's Testing!
I will fear no evil:
That's Protection!
For Thou art with me:
That's Faithfulness!
Thy rod and Thy staff they
comfort me:
That's Discipline!
Thou preparest a table before
me in the presence of mine
enemies:
That's Hope!
Thou annointest my head with
oil:
That's Consecration!
My cup runneth over:
That's Abundance!
Surely goodness and mercy
shall follow me all the days of
my life:
That's Blessing!
And I will dwell in the house of
the Lord:
That's Security!
Forever:
That's Eternity!
https://www.nairaland.com/2304670/shepherd-psalm

freecocoa:
Everything, start wherever you like.

present your case, God willing , I will response.

Dmcool:
If Social Media Was There In The Bible Days, Some PMs and posts would be like

1. Guys its scary, Lot's wife just turned into a pillar of salt #Shaking#

2. Pimping my camel....... Jerusalem here I come.

3. Chilling with Moses at Mount Sinai..... miracles are doing down here. #OMG#

4. Adam and hobby got banished....... They ate from the forbidden fruit #shm

5. Chilling in first class at Noah's Ark.... The view here is fantastic... But 'em Lion keep staring at me #Weird

6. Some people are so cruel! Cain, how do u kill your own brother. #RIP

7. #OMG Jesus just turned water into wine, Guys don high, we gonna party till mama calls.


Feel free to add urs.

scoffer

freecocoa:
I'll play then.

The bible is a book written by men, with lots of inconsistencies, so how does it prove his existence?


Maybe you should tell me about the testimonies and we'll take it from there.

what is it that you don't understand in the bible ?

plaetton:
Simply unbelievable.
I don't know who is more of a schizo, your god or you ?
Do you know there is clear relationship between religion and schizophrenia ?
This post is the kind of stuff one hears from Old testament Schizoids. Really.

you never disappoint , I know you will throw insult, am busy now leter.

freecocoa:
Na wa o.

You are the one to prove his existence, I don't believe he exists.

He is a myth to me because everything about him is not proven.

the bible say he exist and there are lot of testimonies of his existence, you need to disprove there claimed.

freecocoa:
A myth is who he is.

can you proved it ?

plaetton:
God didn't kill innocent people?
But He killed people, just not innocent people. Is that your position?

God did not just command the isrealite to kill this people for no reason, from beginning, God had already established his covenant with the isrealite but their neighbour, they are seducing the isrealite to worship there gods ,hence the judgement of God, moreover, 300 years latter God fullfiled his judgment, 300 years is enough for this people to repent. Read the exedus era, who started the war? The cannanit or the isrealite?

freecocoa:
He doesn't mean sh1t to me, I just want the people who claim to worship him to see him for what he really is, a blawdy chauvinist, but ofcourse he doesn't exist.

okay, this is your chance, show me who He really is.