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Islam › Re: Muslims: Why The Attempt To Kill Jesus? by malvisguy212: 6:13am On Jul 16, 2015

Rilwayne001:
Jews made an attempt to kill him because they are obstinate to the truth and at the same time ignorant.

Christians on the other hand are both confused and deluded about who Jesus was.

what truth is that ? What did Jesus preach to the Jews in the quran that the Jews did not accepts?

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Islam › Re: Muslims: Why The Attempt To Kill Jesus? by malvisguy212: 6:09am On Jul 16, 2015

resultcase:
Was the OP asking a question? If it's a question then it's a lame one, it's so funny that a Christian would say Jesus was crucified just for saying he is the son of God, what about the Prophets before him, why were they condemned? It's not because they said they were sons of God, but because they preached a message the people were not ready to accept, not just because they said they were sons of God.
They were rebuked and some killed because they preached the message of their Lord.

Amos, Habakkuk, Ezekiel, Zechariah, we're killed for preaching the word of God, and those that were not killed were sent on exile. So is it not lame for someone to ask why there was an attempt on the life of Prophet Isa (Jesus)? When just like in the Bible, the Quran also talks about the difficulties the messengers of God faced when they confront their people with the message.

The OP should try to read the Quran and he'll see the reasons why Jesus was condemned by his people. And not to come here and make assumptions backed by a weak point.

wrong, all the prophet you mention are biblical prophet and they died in peace with the exception of Amos,Jeremiah. http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/bb/bb32.htm

At lest you know why this prophet were killed, what was the an attempt was made in Jesus life.

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Islam › Re: Muslims: Why The Attempt To Kill Jesus? by malvisguy212: 5:53am On Jul 16, 2015

mustymatic:
Nah! According to the quran this is no blasphemy, he enjoined them to worship the one God and they disbelieve as usual
Surah Al-Maeda, Verse 72:
Surely, they have disbelieved who say: "Allah is the Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary)." But the Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)] said: "O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Verily, whosoever sets up partners in worship with Allah, then Allah has forbidden Paradise for him, and the Fire will be his abode. And for the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers) there are no helpers...

let me get this straight!! He enjoined them to worship one God but they refused,because they are worshipping more than one God and for that reason He was killed ? You failed woefully.
Moses,Abraham,Isaac and the rest, is it not the same message they preach ? And they were not killed. Prior to the coming of Jesus , the Jews (pharesees who belong to the religion Judaism) worship one God. So the question remain, why the attempt on Jesus life ?

Christianity Etc › Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by malvisguy212(op): 10:54pm On Jul 15, 2015

malvisguy212:
Muslims talk often about the many
contradictions in the Bible. The number
of contradictions vary depending on
whom you are talking to. The principle
of non-contradiction has been elevated
to the status of an absolute criterion,
capable of being applied by human
beings in judging the authenticity of
God’s word. But the Christian cannot
agree that the principle of non-
contradiction is given to men as a criterion by which they are to judge God’s word. It is this criterion which the
Muslims have imposed upon the
discussion of revelation.

The Bible is not simply one book compiled by one man as the Muslims
claim for their Qur’an, but a compilation
of 66 books, written by more than 40
authors, over a period of 1500 years! For that reason Christians have always
maintained that the entire Bible shows
the imprint of human hands. Evidence of this can be found in the variety of
human languages used, the varying
styles of writing, the differences in the
author’s intellects and temperaments. Thought the muslims claimed the quran is sent down from heaven but there are MANY verses show the imprint of human hand in it.

DEFINITION OF INSPIRATION.
In 2 Timothy 3:16, we are told that all
Scripture is inspired. The word used for
inspiration is theopneustos which means“God-breathed,” implying that what was written had its origin in God Himself. In 2Peter 1:21 we read that the writers were“carried along” by God. Thus, God used each writer, including his personality to accomplish a divinely authoritative work, for God cannot inspire error.

The Bible must be the invention either of good men or angels, bad men or devils, or of God. However, it was not
written by good men, because good men would not tell lies by saying ‘Thus saith the Lord;’ it was not written by bad men because they would not write about doing good duty, while condemning sin,and themselves to hell; thus, it must be written by divine inspiration”

HOW DOES GOD INSPIRE HIS WRITERS?
How does God inspire the writers? Does
He simply move the writers by
challenging their heart to reach new
heights, much like we find in the works of Shakespeare, find in the works of
Shakespeare, which is human literary
masterpieces? Or does that which He
inspire contain the words of God-along
with myths, mistakes and legends, thus
creating a book in which portions of the
Word of God can be found, along with
those of finite and fallible men? Or are
the scriptures the infallible Word of God
in their entirety? In other words, how,
Muslims will ask, is this inspiration
carried out? Does God use mechanical
dictation, similar to that which we find
claimed for the Qur’an, or does He use
the writers own minds and experiences?

ANSWER:
The simple answer is that God’s control
was always with them in their writings,
such that the Bible is nothing more than
“THE WORD OF GOD IN THE WORD OF MEN”. This means that God utilized the culture and
conventions of his penman’s ,God controls in His sovereign
providence. Thus history must be treated
as history, poetry as poetry, hyperbole
and metaphor as hyperbole and
metaphor, generalization and
approximation as what they are, and so
forth.

We are fully aware that the Christian
criteria for revelation is not acceptable to Muslims, as it is in seeming conflict with their own.Yet,by simply measuring the Bible against the‘sent down’ concept which they claim for their Qur’an, Muslims condemn themselves of duplicity, since they demand of the New Testament that which they do not
demand of the previous revelations, the
Taurat and Zabuur, though both are
revered as equally inspired revelations
by all Muslims. Muslims believe that
Moses WROTE THE TAURAT AND DAVID THE ZABUUR . However, neither claimed to have received their revelations by a
means of A' sent down’ transmission. So why insist on such for the New Testament, especially since the
document makes no such claim itself?

PROPHET WITHOUT PROVED?
Left unsaid is the glaring irony that the
claim for the sent down revelation for the Qur’an comes from one source alone, the man to which it was supposedly revealed, Muhammad. Yet there are no external witnesses both before or at the time who can corroborate Muhammad’s testimony.
Not even miracles are provided to
substantiate his claims, nor are there any known documents of such a Qur’an from the century in which it is claimed to have been revealed.

What Muslims must understand is that
Christians have always maintained that
the Word of God, the Bible, was indeed
written by men, but that these men were always under the direct inspiration of the Holy Spirit (2 Peter 1:20-21).
Whereas the Qur’an is alleged to be free
of any human element, God in the Bible
deliberately chose to reveal His Word
through individuals who were inspired
prophets and apostles, so that His Word
would not only b conveyed to humanity correctly, and comprehensively but
would be communicated to their
understanding and powers of
comprehension as well. This the Qur’an
CANNOT do if it has no human element, as is generally alleged.

Islam › Re: Muslims: Why The Attempt To Kill Jesus? by malvisguy212: 10:40pm On Jul 15, 2015

truthman2012:
Thank you bro. God bless you.

Did you notice muslims could not say anything about the OP? When I received this message I was so happy and I pray God in His mercies will use it to open the eyes of innocent muslims to accept Jesus as God's Son and become saved.

a very big amen. Any muslim who read this and still chose to remain in deception, then we can say for sure, he is being manipulated by satan.

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Islam › Re: Muslims: Why The Attempt To Kill Jesus? by malvisguy212: 10:32pm On Jul 15, 2015

@ marychy before you make any decision in your life, you need to study islam first
If I type this in the Islamic section, the moderator will hide my post.

THE QURAN TESTIFY, MUHAMMED IS IN HELL AND ALL HIS FOLLOWERS WILL MEET HIM THERE:

Surah 19:71: “It is the inevitable
decree of your Lord that every one of
you will be taken to HELL.”

And the very next verse tells us:

Surah 19:72: “Then (Thumma) We
shall rescue those who kept from evil,
and leave the evil-doers crouching
there.” (Pickthall)

“Afterwards (Thumma) we will
deliver those who shall have been
pious, but we will leave the ungodly
therein on their knees.” (Sale)

The word “Then” (Thumma) used in this
verse exemplify that there is a
chronological order of events. First the
entry into Hell. “THEN” being saved from it. Note the wordings of Surah 19:72: “We shall rescue those who kept from evil, and leave the evil-doers crouching there.” You only “rescue” someone who is in some kind of danger.
However, this rescue operation will only take place on “Judgment Day.” Until then – for centuries – pious Muslims will be consumed by fire. Only the dark spots on the skin of their foreheads caused by years of prostration to Allah will escape the effects of the fire. This is Allah’s reward for their faithful prayers to him.

Sahih Muslim, Book 001, Number 0349:
“They (the angels) would recognise
them in the Fire by the marks of
prostration , for Hell-fire will devour
everything (limb) of the sons of
Adam except the marks of
prostration. Allah has forbidden the
fire to consume the marks of
prostration. They will be taken out
of the Fire having been burnt …”

Al-Jalalayn’s Tafsir on Surah 19:71
(“Not one of you but will pass through
it: this is, with thy Lord, a Decree
which must be accomplished” ), gives
the following clarification:
“Not one” means that there will be
none. “Of you” means all people.
“But will pass through” means the
entry into hell. “A decree which
must be accomplished” means it is
a certainty and a judgment from
which Allah will not relent.

I pray God protect you in Jesus name.

Islam › Re: Muslims: Why The Attempt To Kill Jesus? by malvisguy212: 10:14pm On Jul 15, 2015

truthman2012:
Hi bro.
God bless you.

Good evening, I love the op. Nice one.

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Islam › Re: Muslims: Why The Attempt To Kill Jesus? by malvisguy212: 10:10pm On Jul 15, 2015

truthman2012:
I think you can see the reason for killing Jesus as recorded in the bible.

What is the source of your own information.

excellent question, I just pray the moderator do not delete this thread. I created a thread title "the quran say God cannot have a son without a consort " 2days latter, the mod delete it:

Surah 6:101: “To Him is due the
primal origin of the heavens and the
earth: HOW CAN HE HAVE A SON WHEN HE HA HATH NO CONSORT ?” (Yusuf Ali)

Yet, the Qur’an itself records that Mary
had a son without a consort.

Surah 19:20-21: She said: How can I
have a son when no mortal hath
touched me, neither have I been
unchaste! He said: So (it will be). Thy
Lord saith: It is easy for Me. And (it
will be) that We may make of him a
revelation for mankind and a mercy
from Us, and it is a thing ordained.
(Pickthall)

If Mary could produce a son without a
husband, why would it be impossible
for the Almighty Creator to produce a
son without a wife?
Why do you believe that the Almighty
God is incapable of doing something
that he himself empowered Mary to
do?
If Mary can beget a son without the
sexual involvement of a husband, why
cannot the Almighty God produce a son
without the sexual association of a wife

And the Qur’an acknowledges:

Surah 39:4: “If Allah had willed to
choose a son, He could have chosen
what He would of that which He hath
created.”

Well, does not this Qur’anic verse prove
that God can and could have a son?
That he could have a son anytime he
wants?
And that He could simply create a son
for himself?Is this not exactly what the
Holy Bible teaches? ( Colossians 1:15)

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Islam › Re: Muslims: Why The Attempt To Kill Jesus? by malvisguy212: 10:00pm On Jul 15, 2015

kestolove95:
who killed jesus? jews who are jews isrealites whats dia religion xtianity...so what u talking abt

off point.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers Over “homosexuality Is A Sin” Verses by malvisguy212: 7:27pm On Jul 15, 2015

Isaiah 5:20
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

And the book of malachi say:

Malachi 2:17
You have wearied the LORD with your
words. "How have we wearied him?" you
ask. By saying, "All who do evil are good
in the eyes of the LORD, and he is
pleased with them" or "Where is the God of justice?"

Amos 5:7
There are those who turn justice into
bitterness and cast righteousness to the
ground.

Christianity Etc › Re: #mecca_live Photos Many Non-muslims Have Decided To Convert To Islam by malvisguy212: 7:19pm On Jul 15, 2015

Scholar8200:
@ op, I would not take him serious who indicates an interest in my faith simply because he was wowed by the grandeur of my church building and the wealth displayed by members; Why? such feelings fade but only heart conviction based on knowledge and appreciation of the truth stands the test of time. In other words you've rejoiced too soon.

bless you my brother.
This is exactly what Jesus condemned the religious leader for , they honour the beauty of the temple more than honour God ,The religious leaders kept
people from the kingdom of heaven by
making human traditions and human
religious rules more important than
God's Word.

Matthew 23.
"Woe to you, blind guides, who say,
'Whoever swears by the temple, it is
nothing; but whoever swears by the gold of the temple, he is obliged to perform it.' Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that sanctifies the gold? And, 'Whoever swears by the altar, it is nothing; but whoever swears by the gift that is on it, he is obliged to perform it.' Fools and blind! For which is greater,the gift or the altar that sanctifies the gift? Therefore he who swears by the altar, swears by it and by all things on it.
He who swears by the temple, swears by it and by Him who dwells in it. And he who swears by heaven, swears by the throne of God and by Him who sits on it."

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Christianity Etc › Re: Comparative Religion by malvisguy212: 6:59pm On Jul 15, 2015

afeezmore:
YES u are right, even some humans use plural, where as! it singular, cuz d lamba nah 2much moral, nd in the case of GOD he is more dan u can ever in ur life imagine, ALMIGTHY GOD hanhan u self ask urself, GOD can use anyword to describe is utmost superiority, u dey mental, e be lyk say u know who be GOD ahbi, (nah whining), incase u don't know, islam is the hybrid of christianity, even when the followers of prophet (muhammad saw) went to abbysinia to preach islam to one christian king then, he cried out his balls, and accepted islam, jesus christ is a muslim with the way he prays, but xtians removed those things from the bible, i thank GOD am not a xtian, only dat one dey sweet me, cuz i know d truth, take heed pastors are lying false miracle i laugh...

I don't know what you are saying here , can you type in proper word.

Christianity Etc › Re: Comparative Religion by malvisguy212: 4:55pm On Jul 15, 2015

afeezmore:
lol what about the catholics, ur prove pls..confused people.

were in the bible its say God is three ? All what I am doing is explaining the plurality in the bible for you.

Now answer this, the quran also uses the same plurality "WE", "US" and"OUR" can you explained?

Christianity Etc › Re: Where do Atheists go when they die? by malvisguy212: 3:50pm On Jul 15, 2015

MizJanet:
Lol @underlined

Young Literal Translation

For an event is to the sons of men, and an event is to the beasts, even one event is to them; as the death of this, so is the death of that. and one SPIRIT is to all , and the advantage of man above the beast is nothing, for the whole is vanity .
- Ecc 3:19

Can you see the colored part ; just tell me that bible is a lie or admit you are the liar

out of All the translations, only young literal translation use spirit. Check it here http://biblehub.com/ecclesiastes/3-19.htm

What you are asking for required deep translation that is above you, but I will just give you some reason.

Among the root word for spirit and soul is breath , this meaning(breath) interwoven both spirit and soul, there are some attribute spirit and soul do not possessed but the writers gave them this attribute for proper understanding , this is not a contradiction,the writers personified both the spirit and soul, in doing this, he give the soul attribute that he did not possessed, let me give you a good example , the MIND and HEART:

The most familiar example of a part of a
person being personified is the heart.
The heart, simply an organ that pumps
blood, is said to have qualities that the
mind does have, but that the heart
definitely does not have. Example is this bible verse:
Psalm 7:9
Bring to an end the violence of the
wicked and make the righteous secure--
you, the righteous God who probes
MINDS and HEART.

You see, by mixing the mind and heart in ONE context, the writer give the mind attribute he did not possessed, used this example for spirit and soul. The bible say man BECAME soul but animal received soul.

This explanation is not something I can explained to you while typing, I saw your mention this morning but I don't want to reply because you will not understand,I wish I can explained this more to you in person. If you do not understand still ,okay , that all I've got.
Peace.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by malvisguy212(op): 8:47am On Jul 15, 2015

plainbibletruth:
Indeed this is one of the several areas in the book that is said to have descended from heaven and still has the original in heaven; where well known historical facts were muddled up.

Mary is said In sura 3:35-41 to be the sister of Aaron; having been given birth to by Amram's (Imram) wife who is the mother of Aaron and Moses. This is a disaster to Islam. Aaron and Moses his brother died over 1,000 years before Mary the mother of Jesus was born!

The truth of the matter is that whoever wrote this part of the Quran mixed up the "Miriam" or "Mariam" sister of Aaron and Moses with the "Mary" the mother of Jesus whose name can also be called "Mariam".

So, who made the mistake, Allah or Mohammed? This is a big question that awaits answers.

Also, the Quran says Mary and Zachariah were present in the sanctuary when the prophecy about John was given. The truth is that:
1. Mary and Zachariah did not live in the same town.
2. Zachariah received the message about John and his wife was already pregnant for six months before Mary heard about it at all.
3. It was after this that Mary visited Zachariah's house in Judah to spend 3 months with his wife, Elizabeth who was Mary's relative.
4. Mary had already conceived before this trip to Zachariah's house.

The Quran even contradicts itself as to how many angels visited Zachariah/Mary. Was it one or many? Sura 3:35-42 says "angels" but sura 19:17 says "our angel" (singular) appeared before Mary "as a man in all respects".

Actually, one Jewish book of fables - The Protevangelion's James the Lesser -written before Mohammed around third century A. D. had all these tales. But Jews and Christians could differentiate between their scripture and folktales. Apparently the writer of this part of the Quran couldn't. This is one of the calamities of the book.

my thread title "the quran say God cannot have a son without a consort " has been deleted , they cannot answer the question being ask instead they reported me and the mod removed it. They see how deceitful muhammed is but they cannot question his teaching. No be delete? The moderator go delete my thread tire because there are many thread I will open , it will exposed islam.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Many Christians Follow Jesus' Rule Of 'Turn The Other Cheek?' by malvisguy212: 10:01pm On Jul 14, 2015

NumberOne2:
Hmmm, so you mean that Jesus said: Turn the other cheek literarily to collect another slap?
Can it also mean:
1) Do not revenge
2) Accept it as such
3) Forgive

Google Def:
turn the other cheek: refrain from retaliating when one has been attacked or insulted.
https://www.google.com/search?q=meaning+of+turn+the+other+cheek&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
Hope that helps you.

PS: Google is not a Christian site. You may want to consider using it when reading the bible

nice reply bro.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Comparative Religion by malvisguy212: 9:54pm On Jul 14, 2015

afeezmore:
No offense intended to abuse christianity, or the christians in general, am confused with the way christians believe in three gods (a)god the father (b)the son (c)and the holy spirit isn't it, okay (atigbur) then when jesus was on planet earth, who is the father, and who is the son, since u call jesus your heavenly father, so jesus came from heaven just to get beaten and bullied by the unbelievers, and went back to heaven to sit on his throne, okay if jesus is the ALMIGTHY GOD, while he was on the cross of calvary why did he say God should 4give them cuz they don't know what they are doing, any small thing jesus, jeezuz, see let me tell u people, jesus christ is crying that the christians misquoted him, and take him more seriously than the supreme GOD that created heaven and earth, (Allah swt, the first and the last, no begining no ending,ALMIGTHY GOD is incomparable with anything) jesus christ is indeed a servant of GOD, and not his son, take it or leave it...

who say God is three ? Christians believe in ONE God and this God has three personalities, just as a man has body , soul, and spirit. This verse revealed the 3 personalities of God.

Genesis 1:26
Then God said, "Let US make mankind in OUR IMAGE , in our LIKENESS...

The word "US" and "OUR" indicate more than one person and the word "IMAGE. Indicate ONE being. If God is three, the verse should'v said "images"

Christianity Etc › Re: Where do Atheists go when they die? by malvisguy212: 9:23pm On Jul 14, 2015

MizJanet:
Breath is soul ! Buhahahaha . Malvis you need help . The hebrew dialect rendered soul is Nephesh , but it didnt appear in ecc 3:19 at all , what appear is /ruach/ which means " spirit/breath" .

You need serious help .

Confuse man, your bible diferentiate between breath and soul

" and the LORD God formed the man out of dust , and breath into his nostrils the [BREATH (rua'ch) of life and the man became a living Soul ( Nephesh)" .

Breath is ruach (spirit) NOT soul/nephesh . The distiction is clear .

Answer me : do animals have breath of life ? or u want me to point it for you in your bible again .

alright, it seem you do not understand my first explanation:

The old testament was written in Hebrew and the new testament mostly Greek,this two language must be understand base on the translations of this language (God will not override his writers freewill just to contradicte this tribe), now pay attention:

The word for "soul"in the Old Testament
is nephesh. Nephesh is translated in
following ways

beast
body
BREATH
creature
dead
dead body
desire
Life
Some of this word may be confusing because how can different word mean soul ? Here is the answer:

The Hebrew word of nephesh's is soul, the root word is "to BREATH." Since those who are breathing still have "life," one of the meanings for nephesh is "LIFE." Since the "body" is what we use to breathe with, one of the meanings for nephesh is "BODY." Since a "dead body" is what once breathed, one of the meanings for nephesh is "DEAD BODY." Thus, all three renderings of nephesh, though apparently quite different, are derived from the same basic meaning of the root word.

In the New Testament the word for "soul" is psuche. Psuche is translated in the following ways:
heart
life
make doubt
mind
soul
I maintain, ecc 3:19 was not talking about spirit but soul.

Note: there are some bible verse that the writers interpret soul and spirit as the same. Sometime the writer gave "spirit" and" soul" attribute they do not deserve.

Christianity Etc › Re: Where do Atheists go when they die? by malvisguy212: 8:53am On Jul 14, 2015

dalaman:
http://m.livescience.com/24802-animals-have-morals-book.html

You said man is created in the image and likeness of God. If that is true then why is man not invisible?

I am busy now, I will click the link later.

Man was CREATED, you only see what you created, you cannot created invincible thing.

Christianity Etc › Re: Where do Atheists go when they die? by malvisguy212: 8:51am On Jul 14, 2015

MizJanet:
Just admit u lied , there is nothing like soul in ecc 3:19 .
.......
Your long epistle confirms man himself is soul , HE NEVER RECEIVE any silly soul . good

twister , are you saying animals dont have breath of life ? U wan disgrace yourself today

ecc 3:19 say breath (soul) I gave you an example, the same word is used in Genesis2:7. Man BECAME a soul but animal received a soul. If you cannot understand this . Continue living in deception. I assured you , very soon , it will all come to an end. MARK my word. Thank you.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Old Was Mary When She Had Jesus? by malvisguy212(op): 10:42pm On Jul 13, 2015

RagnarLodbrok:
So we go there, type a few points, copy and paste a few points, to what end? Insanity according to Albert Einstein is repeating the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. I am not insane malvis.

Like I said, I have decided to retire indefinitely from this nonsense.

Live long and prosper!

you have nothing to say bro.

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