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Christianity Etc › Re: ALL ATHIESTS Are GUILTY Of This by malvisguy212: 8:20am On Jun 17, 2015
johnydon22:
I think a better understanding is required here sir. . . What do you mean by the phrase As if there's a God . . . What does that imply in common meaning?
what if there is God? Do you really want to take the risk? But me on the other hand ,if there is no God, I have nothing to lose.
Christianity Etc › Re: ALL ATHIESTS Are GUILTY Of This by malvisguy212: 5:52am On Jun 17, 2015
cold:
Porn stars also scream 'oh my god' in the heat of action. Are they also glorifying your god or is that proof of god?
just like a brother say here on nairaland:

" I better live my life as if there's God
and die to realize that there's no God
than to live my precious life as if there
is no God,only to Die to realize there's
really God
Costly mistake"
Christianity Etc › Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by malvisguy212(op): 10:17pm On Jun 16, 2015
mustymatic:
Contradictions in the Bible are countless, I could list some of em but u still won't reason, Muslims believe in all the messengers and the books revealed to them...and that Muhammad is the final prophet, it doesn't where the original Bible is, it's not my obligation to use it, we have quran now which is the final testament
you keep on dodging my question.
Surah 2:136
Say, [O believers], "We have believed in Allah
and what has been revealed to us and what has
been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and
Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what
was given to Moses and Jesus and what was
given to the prophets from their Lord. We make
NO DISTINCTION BETWEEN ANY OF THEM , and we are
Muslims [in submission] to Him."

This surah claimed, what Allah revealed to muhammed is no different from the other prophet, BUT NONE of this prophets claimed to have received revelation through " sent down from heaven" as muslims claimed for the quran.
Christianity Etc › Re: Reason Why Our Prayer Is Not Being Answer And The Solution!!! Pleased Read by malvisguy212(op): 9:53pm On Jun 16, 2015
Weah96:
Which Muslims? Name one NL Muslim make I ask am.
surah 43:61 And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the
coming of) the Hour (of Judgment):
therefore have no doubt about the
(Hour), but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way.
Christianity Etc › Re: Reason Why Our Prayer Is Not Being Answer And The Solution!!! Pleased Read by malvisguy212(op): 9:35pm On Jun 16, 2015
Weah96:
.

Is Christ or the 12th Imam the person who is scheduled to return? There are over a billion people telling me that it is the Imam not the Prophet Jesus. Why are they not seeing what you're seeing?
what are you saying here? Even muslims believe, Jesus will come again.
Christianity Etc › Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by malvisguy212(op): 9:04pm On Jun 16, 2015
dboss444:
The O.P must be jehovah witness. Nice1. If only christians knew that when prophet mohammed entered jerusalem he never touched a soul infact he wanted to work with them to form one world religion. But when the crusaders enter mecca they destroyed the whole place. So called christians attacked islam 1st. Religion was used to enslave the black mind, any black man that knws history would always hate christianity. I dislike it when I see my fellow blacks discuss about the two foreign religion, if u actually know what these pple did
I am not a jehovah witness
Christianity Etc › Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by malvisguy212(op): 9:03pm On Jun 16, 2015
dboss444:
The O.P must be jehovah witness. Nice1. If only christians knew that when prophet mohammed entered jerusalem he never touched a soul infact he wanted to work with them to form one world religion. But when the crusaders enter mecca they destroyed the whole place. So called christians attacked islam 1st. Religion was used to enslave the black mind, any black man that knws history would always hate christianity. I dislike it when I see my fellow blacks discuss about the two foreign religion, if u actually know what these pple did
are you a muslims? you are saying different thing here. If muhammed really want to form one world religion as you claimed, then He must be the anti-christ, beside after the Jews and christians reject him, he change the direction of praying to Mecca and wage jihad on the Jews and christians, but this is off topic.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Christian Chatbox ( sticky) by malvisguy212: 7:22pm On Jun 16, 2015
Dadsonval:
Pls my brothers and sisters in d Lord, pray for me, i need God's intervention to overcome my enemies. Thnks
God will guide you, have faith,
Christianity Etc › Re: Which Bornagain Christian Can Do This? by malvisguy212: 7:01pm On Jun 16, 2015
Princewell2012:
Now, if a gang, or group of guys comes into your house, and asked after your son, your only son. And before then, your son who just came back from school, where with you in the house, seen them from afar, quickly imformed you that this people are coming after me, and that they wanted to kill me, please tell them that i have gone back to school. Now considering your faith as a christian, what would you do under that sircumstances, when they asked after your son, will you lie to them that your son is not at home,or you will tell them the truth, and you know where he is hiding? Please be sincere. Thanks You.
my son came back from school and saw a Gang of thugs coming to killed him,right? And he told me, if they come I should tell them he went back to school? Right? if truly he went back to school and I told them " my son JUST left for school" this is not lie.
Christianity Etc › Re: Meet Woman Who Was Greater Than Virgin Mary In The Bible by malvisguy212: 6:47pm On Jun 16, 2015
Scholar8200:
Alright. The book of Acts shows us how the church started and thankfully, Mary was one of the disciples that waited at the upper room and was baptised with the Holy Spirit.

How come there was no hint of recognition given to her in all the activities in the Acts of the Apostles, nor in the epistles of the apostles?

Even Peter (who you say was a pope) in his two epistles gave not even a faint/disguised allusion to the exaltation of Mary?

Neither did John (called the apostle of Love) to whom the care of Mary was committed, in his three epistles give an implied/express reference to her as being worthy of adoration?

Even angels in Heaven reject man's adoration then whence this strange perspective of Mary held by the RCC?

The only angel who wanted man's worship was cast out and somehow today,he gets it when men worship/ adore with reverence, another human personality!
Good points, I would love it if any catholic brother respond to this post.
Christianity Etc › Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by malvisguy212(op): 6:33pm On Jun 16, 2015
mustymatic:
Ashamed of your SHAMEFUL CLAIMS?
NOPE.

“And dispute ye not with the people of
the book but say: We believe in the
revelation which has come down to us
and that which came down to you.”

What you fail to understand is that Muslims never question that Jesus receive the Gospel (Injeel). He received it like other prophets received theirs before him.
But the authors who wrote the Bible weren't around when he was, didn't see him, talked to him after some years thay come to claim that he said some contradicting things. even in modern literature this is not accepted. THIS is why even Christians invalidate some of the books, let alone Muslims
do you know the meaning of revelation?if Jesus received any gospel as you claimed, where is it?anyway, this is off topics.read how I analyse bible contradiction in the op and read the second post about the quran, provide your defence.

The quranic verse you quote say the revelation were sent down, this is not how Moses and the other prophet received there revelation, they were moved by the power of the holy spirit, doesent it sound strange to you that only muhammed received revelation different from other prophet? NONE of them claimed to have received revelation sent down from heaven ONLY muhammed, nobody bear witness. How can we know he was telling the truth?
Christianity Etc › Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by malvisguy212(op): 4:33pm On Jun 16, 2015
malvisguy212:
Satan used Muhammad as a pawn and Islam as a tool to attack the people of God. As Muhammad grew in power, he used violence to subdue those that disagreed with him. He denied the Sonship of Jesus,making him an anti-Christ, and denied other key doctrines of Christianity. Muhammad eventually urged his followers to oppress Christians and instituted laws that deny people basic human rights. Today in Muslim countries, Christians are victimized by those laws. Many of
them have murdered, executed, and or
oppressed for their faith. If a Muslim
converts to Christianity, he is under a
death sentence for apostatizing. In his
last few hours of life, Muhammad
asked Allah to curse the Christians.
Real Islam is a weapon Satan uses to
make war upon God and His people.
Christianity Etc › Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by malvisguy212(op): 7:16am On Jun 16, 2015
OJODEL10:
Waiting for islamic defence.
were are the muslims?are they ashamed.
Christianity Etc › Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by malvisguy212(op): 9:06pm On Jun 15, 2015
TheShopKeeper:
Futhermore, Mohammed got his revelations on Quran through a medium 'angel'Jibril mostly at night time in a seclusive cave over a period of time.

Also in most Quran texts, who are the 'We' mentioned? Can someone please explain?
Satan used Muhammad as a pawn and Islam as a tool to attack the people of God. As Muhammad grew in power, he used violence to subdue those that disagreed with him. He denied the Sonship of Jesus,making him an anti-Christ, and denied other key doctrines of Christianity. Muhammad eventually urged his followers to oppress Christians and instituted laws that deny people basic human rights. Today in Muslim countries, Christians are victimized by those laws. Many of
them have murdered, executed, and or
oppressed for their faith. If a Muslim
converts to Christianity, he is under a
death sentence for apostatizing. In his
last few hours of life, Muhammad
asked Allah to curse the Christians.
Real Islam is a weapon Satan uses to
make war upon God and His people.
Christianity Etc › Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by malvisguy212(op): 9:01pm On Jun 15, 2015
crusadistic:
*yawns*
good, if you have nothing to say, just stay mute.we prefer you like that.
Christianity Etc › Re: Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by malvisguy212(op): 5:59pm On Jun 15, 2015
THE QURAN GIVES AUTHORITY OF THE BIBLE:
The Qur’an, itself, the highest authority
for all Muslims, gives authority to the
Bible, assuming its authenticity at least
up to the seventh-ninth Centuries.
Consider the following Suras:

Surah 2:136 points out that there
is no difference between the scriptures
which preceded and those of the Qur’an,
saying, “ …the revelation given to us…and
Jesus…we make no difference between
one and another of them .”

Surah 3:2-3 continues, “Allah…He sent
down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel
(of Jesus)…as a guide to mankind .” Sura
h 4:136 carries this farther by
admonishing the Muslims to, “ …Believe…
and the scripture which He sent before
him .” In Surah 5:47,49,50,52 we
find a direct call to Christians to believe
in their scriptures:
“ …We sent Jesus, the
son of Mary, confirming the Law that had
come before him. We sent him the
Gospel… Let the people of the Gospel
judge by what Allah hath revealed
therein, if any do fail to judge by the
light of what Allah hath revealed, they
are (no better than) those who rebel…”

Again, in Surah 5:68 we find a
similar call:
“People of the Book!…Stand
fast by the law, the Gospel, and all
revelation that hath come to you from
YOUR LORD. It is the revelation that has
come to thee from THY LORD.”
To embolden this idea of the New and
Old Testament’s authority we find in Surah
10:94 that Muslims are advised to confer
with these scriptures if in doubt about
their own, saying: “If thou wert in doubt
as to what We have revealed unto thee,
then ask those who have been reading
the Book from before thee. The truth had
indeed come to thee from thy Lord .” And
as if to emphasize this point the advice is
repeated in Surah 21:7, stating;
“ …the
apostles We sent were but men, to whom
We granted inspiration. If ye realize this
not, Ask of those who possess the
message .”

Finally, in Surah 29:46 Muslims
are asked not to question the authority
of the scriptures of the Christians, saying;

“And dispute ye not with the people of
the book but say: We believe in the
revelation which has come down to us
and that which came down to you.”

If there is anything in these Suras which
is clear,it is that the Quran emphatically
endorses the Torah and the Gospel as
authentic and authoritative revelations
from God. This coincides with what
Christians believe, as well.
In fact, nowhere is there any warning in
the Qur’an that the former scriptures had
been corrupted, nor that they were
contradictory. If the Qur’an was indeed
the final and complete revelation, if it
was the seal of all former revelations the
Muslims claim, than certainly the author
of the Qur’an would have included a
warning against that which had been
corrupted in the earlier scriptures. But
nowhere do we find even a hint that the
Bible was contradictory, or indeed that it
was corrupted.


WHY WILL A FINAL REVELATION NOT GIVE WARNING OF THE CORRUPTION OF THE FORMER REVELATION?
Christianity Etc › Contradictions Analyzed:bible And Quran. by malvisguy212(op): 5:48pm On Jun 15, 2015
Muslims talk often about the many
contradictions in the Bible. The number
of contradictions vary depending on
whom you are talking to. The principle
of non-contradiction has been elevated
to the status of an absolute criterion,
capable of being applied by human
beings in judging the authenticity of
God’s word. But the Christian cannot
agree that the principle of non-
contradiction is given to men as a criterion by which they are to judge God’s word. It is this criterion which the
Muslims have imposed upon the
discussion of revelation.


The Bible is not simply one book compiled by one man as the Muslims
claim for their Qur’an, but a compilation
of 66 books, written by more than 40
authors, over a period of 1500 years! For that reason Christians have always
maintained that the entire Bible shows
the imprint of human hands. Evidence of this can be found in the variety of
human languages used, the varying
styles of writing, the differences in the
author’s intellects and temperaments. Thought the muslims claimed the quran is sent down from heaven but there are MANY verses show the imprint of human hand in it.

DEFINITION OF INSPIRATION.
In 2 Timothy 3:16, we are told that all
Scripture is inspired. The word used for
inspiration is theopneustos which means“God-breathed,” implying that what was written had its origin in God Himself. In 2Peter 1:21 we read that the writers were“carried along” by God. Thus, God used each writer, including his personality to accomplish a divinely authoritative work, for God cannot inspire error.

The Bible must be the invention either of good men or angels, bad men or devils, or of God. However, it was not
written by good men, because good men would not tell lies by saying ‘Thus saith the Lord;’ it was not written by bad men because they would not write about doing good duty, while condemning sin,and themselves to hell; thus, it must be written by divine inspiration”

HOW DOES GOD INSPIRE HIS WRITERS?
How does God inspire the writers? Does
He simply move the writers by
challenging their heart to reach new
heights, much like we find in the works of Shakespeare, find in the works of
Shakespeare, which is human literary
masterpieces? Or does that which He
inspire contain the words of God-along
with myths, mistakes and legends, thus
creating a book in which portions of the
Word of God can be found, along with
those of finite and fallible men? Or are
the scriptures the infallible Word of God
in their entirety? In other words, how,
Muslims will ask, is this inspiration
carried out? Does God use mechanical
dictation, similar to that which we find
claimed for the Qur’an, or does He use
the writers own minds and experiences?

ANSWER:
The simple answer is that God’s control
was always with them in their writings,
such that the Bible is nothing more than
“THE WORD OF GOD IN THE WORD OF MEN”. This means that God utilized the culture and
conventions of his penman’s ,God controls in His sovereign
providence. Thus history must be treated
as history, poetry as poetry, hyperbole
and metaphor as hyperbole and
metaphor, generalization and
approximation as what they are, and so
forth.

We are fully aware that the Christian
criteria for revelation is not acceptable to Muslims, as it is in seeming conflict with their own.Yet,by simply measuring the Bible against the‘sent down’ concept which they claim for their Qur’an, Muslims condemn themselves of duplicity, since they demand of the New Testament that which they do not
demand of the previous revelations, the
Taurat and Zabuur, though both are
revered as equally inspired revelations
by all Muslims. Muslims believe that
Moses WROTE THE TAURAT AND DAVID THE ZABUUR . However, neither claimed to have received their revelations by a
means of A' sent down’ transmission. So why insist on such for the New Testament, especially since the
document makes no such claim itself?

PROPHET WITHOUT PROVED?
Left unsaid is the glaring irony that the
claim for the sent down revelation for the Qur’an comes from one source alone, the man to which it was supposedly revealed, Muhammad. Yet there are no external witnesses both before or at the time who can corroborate Muhammad’s testimony.
Not even miracles are provided to
substantiate his claims, nor are there any known documents of such a Qur’an from the century in which it is claimed to have been revealed.

What Muslims must understand is that
Christians have always maintained that
the Word of God, the Bible, was indeed
written by men, but that these men were always under the direct inspiration of the Holy Spirit (2 Peter 1:20-21).
Whereas the Qur’an is alleged to be free
of any human element, God in the Bible
deliberately chose to reveal His Word
through individuals who were inspired
prophets and apostles, so that His Word
would not only b conveyed to humanity correctly, and comprehensively but
would be communicated to their
understanding and powers of
comprehension as well. This the Qur’an
CANNOT do if it has no human element, as is generally alleged.
Christianity Etc › Re: Mary The New Jerusalem by malvisguy212: 4:40pm On Jun 15, 2015
Ubenedictus:
i think you misunderstood him a little, there are parrallels and antitypes all over scriptures, the parralel are usually a foreshadowing, Isaac foresadowed Jesus, melchisedez foreshadowed Jesus e.t.c. But there existed another form of parallel in scriptures usually called antitype, example, Adam and Jesus, what adam lost in the garden on the tree of good and evil Jesus recovered on calvary on a tree, that is an antitype, that is why Paul called Jesus the new Adam, francistony is trying to draw another antitype this time between mary and Eve, he says, eve listen to a serpent and was decieved, mary to an angel, e.t.c. He isn't say mary is the same person as eve...no he is saying that scriptures show that mary is the antitype of eve, eve started the fall by disobedience, mary brought forth the saviour by obedience, one counterbalance the effect of the other.
thank you my good friend, I just learn something from you.
Christianity Etc › Re: Reason Why Our Prayer Is Not Being Answer And The Solution!!! Pleased Read by malvisguy212(op): 4:38pm On Jun 15, 2015
mickey45:
You know better than bothering to ask
Christianity Etc › Re: Ishmael And Isaac, The Great Cover-up by malvisguy212: 10:02am On Jun 15, 2015
Rilwayne001:
This is a thread that deserved to be on FP..Very insightful
this thread also deserve to be on the homepage. We need answer from muslims
https://www.nairaland.com/2374316/which-one-correct
Christianity Etc › Re: Ishmael And Isaac, The Great Cover-up by malvisguy212: 9:58am On Jun 15, 2015
tbaba12345:
This makes little sense. So if one child is away, does that make the second child onlyhuh

That does not fly.
let me repeat myself again:

God did not command Abraham to sleep with hager, it was sarai who advice Abraham to do it meaning God had no hand in ishmael birth, in a real sense As long as God is concerned, He ONLY recognised Isaac as Abraham son because that's what he promise him.
Christianity Etc › Re: Ishmael And Isaac, The Great Cover-up by malvisguy212: 9:34am On Jun 15, 2015
Scholar8200:
Glory to God and Father of Our Lord Jesus Christ!
a very big AMEN.
Christianity Etc › Re: Ishmael And Isaac, The Great Cover-up by malvisguy212: 9:32am On Jun 15, 2015
tbaba12345:
Hagar was a legitimate wife not a concubine.

Still, Isaac was never an only son.
yes, by legal right hager was Abraham wife, but God himself sanctioned the sending away of hager and ishmael, and NO one say Isaac was the only son BUT when God command Abraham to sacrifice Isaac, by then ishmael and his mother had long gone, that make Isaac the ONLY son presently with Abraham.
Christianity Etc › Re: Ishmael And Isaac, The Great Cover-up by malvisguy212: 9:27am On Jun 15, 2015
Rilwayne001:
What do you mean by "Ishmael was born of the flesh" ?
1 Corinthians 15:46New Living
Translation (NLT)
46 What comes first is the natural body,
then the spiritual body comes later.

Sarah was wrong when she told Abraham to marry Hagar ( Gen. 16:1-2), but she was right when she told Abraham to send Hagar and Ishmael out of the camp.
God promise Abraham he will make him a father of all nation with sarai. But they were growing old and sarai was inpatient, so she told Abraham to sleep with hager, God has noting to do with this plan of sarai.

But for Isaac, it was God himself that promise sarai a son name Isaac. Isaac was born of a divine promise but ishmael was of the flesh.
Christianity Etc › Re: Ishmael And Isaac, The Great Cover-up by malvisguy212: 8:31am On Jun 15, 2015
Scholar8200:
Beisdes, Ishmael and Hagar had been sent away by Abraham before this test came. The trial of Abraham is in Genesis 22 which commences with a statement showing that the events in chapter 22 occurred after those recorded in 21

Genesis 22:1

After these events, God tested and proved Abraham and said to him, Abraham! And he said, Here I am.
2 [God] said, Take now your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah; and offer him there as a burnt offering upon one of the mountains of which I will tell you.

The highlighted are all chronicled in chapter 21
excellent brother, you nailed it.
Christianity Etc › Re: Ishmael And Isaac, The Great Cover-up by malvisguy212: 8:20am On Jun 15, 2015
nunamyeong:
A son from the king legal wife (queen), will be choosen. not from d concubine.
don't mind him, he knows all this but still he chose be ignorance.
Christianity Etc › Re: Ishmael And Isaac, The Great Cover-up by malvisguy212: 8:15am On Jun 15, 2015
tbaba12345:
Lol, How many other people do you claim as God's begotten son??

Here Abraham has two sons.
adam was called the son of God and many other, so what your point? Yes, Abraham has two son( Isaac and ishmael) even the quran omit ishmael name in the prophetic blood line. Meaning Isaac was the covenant child.
Christianity Etc › Re: Ishmael And Isaac, The Great Cover-up by malvisguy212: 8:02am On Jun 15, 2015
tbaba12345:
Actually, it is.. the instructions of the prophet are also revelation according to Muslims. That is why so much effort is put towards authentication.
what do you understand by this word; Narrated Sahl bin Sad? The hadith is not a revelation.
Christianity Etc › Re: Ishmael And Isaac, The Great Cover-up by malvisguy212: 7:58am On Jun 15, 2015
tbaba12345:
That slave woman was his legitimate wife.

Pray tell, how Isaac becomes an only son. Even with this.
bible make it clear, Isaac was born of a divine promise,after the birth of ishmael, God himself still went ahead to promise sarai son because the son is divine.
Ishmael was born of the flesh,this is why the bible say Isaac was his ONLY son. Jesus has brothers but God called him the Only beggoten son in john3:16
Christianity Etc › Re: Ishmael And Isaac, The Great Cover-up by malvisguy212: 7:51am On Jun 15, 2015
tbaba12345:
Islam is derived from the Quran and the authentic traditions.
Dunce!
the hadith is not a revelation like the quran;
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62,
Number 63:
Narrated Sahl bin Sad: “The Prophet
said,

If any book should give much details about Isaac and ishmael, that should be the quran,BUT no , it did not.
Christianity Etc › Re: Ishmael And Isaac, The Great Cover-up by malvisguy212: 7:40am On Jun 15, 2015
tbaba1234:
Clearly Isaac was at no point Abraham’s “only begotten” son, Ishmael is the only one who fits such a description. This understanding of the text is supported by the New Testament, where Paul quotes the verse from Genesis:

By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son. [Hebrews 11:17]

The Greek word that Paul uses, ‘monogenes’, carries the meaning of “only begotten” according to Strong’s dictionary:
finely we have a verse from apostle Paul muslims agreed with. ONLY begotten son mean the one Abraham have through the spirit;
Galantian 4:23
His son by the slave woman was born
according to the flesh, but his son by the
free woman was born as the result of a
divine promise.
Christianity Etc › Re: Ishmael And Isaac, The Great Cover-up by malvisguy212: 7:14am On Jun 15, 2015
tbaba12345:
Ishmael was the son to be sacrificed according to Islamic traditions, the hadiths.
so the quran which muslims claimed is the final revelation from Allah who sopposed sanctioned the sacrifice did not mention which son is sacrifice? Nonsense. This debunked your thread.

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