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johnydon22:what if there is God? Do you really want to take the risk? But me on the other hand ,if there is no God, I have nothing to lose. |
cold:just like a brother say here on nairaland: " I better live my life as if there's God and die to realize that there's no God than to live my precious life as if there is no God,only to Die to realize there's really God Costly mistake" |
mustymatic:you keep on dodging my question. Surah 2:136 Say, [O believers], "We have believed in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make NO DISTINCTION BETWEEN ANY OF THEM , and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him." This surah claimed, what Allah revealed to muhammed is no different from the other prophet, BUT NONE of this prophets claimed to have received revelation through " sent down from heaven" as muslims claimed for the quran. |
Weah96:surah 43:61 And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way. |
Weah96:what are you saying here? Even muslims believe, Jesus will come again. |
dboss444:I am not a jehovah witness |
dboss444:are you a muslims? you are saying different thing here. If muhammed really want to form one world religion as you claimed, then He must be the anti-christ, beside after the Jews and christians reject him, he change the direction of praying to Mecca and wage jihad on the Jews and christians, but this is off topic. |
Dadsonval:God will guide you, have faith, |
Princewell2012:my son came back from school and saw a Gang of thugs coming to killed him,right? And he told me, if they come I should tell them he went back to school? Right? if truly he went back to school and I told them " my son JUST left for school" this is not lie. |
Scholar8200:Good points, I would love it if any catholic brother respond to this post. |
mustymatic:do you know the meaning of revelation?if Jesus received any gospel as you claimed, where is it?anyway, this is off topics.read how I analyse bible contradiction in the op and read the second post about the quran, provide your defence. The quranic verse you quote say the revelation were sent down, this is not how Moses and the other prophet received there revelation, they were moved by the power of the holy spirit, doesent it sound strange to you that only muhammed received revelation different from other prophet? NONE of them claimed to have received revelation sent down from heaven ONLY muhammed, nobody bear witness. How can we know he was telling the truth? |
malvisguy212: |
OJODEL10:were are the muslims?are they ashamed. |
TheShopKeeper:Satan used Muhammad as a pawn and Islam as a tool to attack the people of God. As Muhammad grew in power, he used violence to subdue those that disagreed with him. He denied the Sonship of Jesus,making him an anti-Christ, and denied other key doctrines of Christianity. Muhammad eventually urged his followers to oppress Christians and instituted laws that deny people basic human rights. Today in Muslim countries, Christians are victimized by those laws. Many of them have murdered, executed, and or oppressed for their faith. If a Muslim converts to Christianity, he is under a death sentence for apostatizing. In his last few hours of life, Muhammad asked Allah to curse the Christians. Real Islam is a weapon Satan uses to make war upon God and His people. |
crusadistic:good, if you have nothing to say, just stay mute.we prefer you like that. |
THE QURAN GIVES AUTHORITY OF THE BIBLE: The Qur’an, itself, the highest authority for all Muslims, gives authority to the Bible, assuming its authenticity at least up to the seventh-ninth Centuries. Consider the following Suras: Surah 2:136 points out that there is no difference between the scriptures which preceded and those of the Qur’an, saying, “ …the revelation given to us…and Jesus…we make no difference between one and another of them .” Surah 3:2-3 continues, “Allah…He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus)…as a guide to mankind .” Sura h 4:136 carries this farther by admonishing the Muslims to, “ …Believe… and the scripture which He sent before him .” In Surah 5:47,49,50,52 we find a direct call to Christians to believe in their scriptures: “ …We sent Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him. We sent him the Gospel… Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein, if any do fail to judge by the light of what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel…” Again, in Surah 5:68 we find a similar call: “People of the Book!…Stand fast by the law, the Gospel, and all revelation that hath come to you from YOUR LORD. It is the revelation that has come to thee from THY LORD.” To embolden this idea of the New and Old Testament’s authority we find in Surah 10:94 that Muslims are advised to confer with these scriptures if in doubt about their own, saying: “If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee. The truth had indeed come to thee from thy Lord .” And as if to emphasize this point the advice is repeated in Surah 21:7, stating; “ …the apostles We sent were but men, to whom We granted inspiration. If ye realize this not, Ask of those who possess the message .” Finally, in Surah 29:46 Muslims are asked not to question the authority of the scriptures of the Christians, saying; “And dispute ye not with the people of the book but say: We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and that which came down to you.” If there is anything in these Suras which is clear,it is that the Quran emphatically endorses the Torah and the Gospel as authentic and authoritative revelations from God. This coincides with what Christians believe, as well. In fact, nowhere is there any warning in the Qur’an that the former scriptures had been corrupted, nor that they were contradictory. If the Qur’an was indeed the final and complete revelation, if it was the seal of all former revelations the Muslims claim, than certainly the author of the Qur’an would have included a warning against that which had been corrupted in the earlier scriptures. But nowhere do we find even a hint that the Bible was contradictory, or indeed that it was corrupted. WHY WILL A FINAL REVELATION NOT GIVE WARNING OF THE CORRUPTION OF THE FORMER REVELATION? |
Muslims talk often about the many contradictions in the Bible. The number of contradictions vary depending on whom you are talking to. The principle of non-contradiction has been elevated to the status of an absolute criterion, capable of being applied by human beings in judging the authenticity of God’s word. But the Christian cannot agree that the principle of non- contradiction is given to men as a criterion by which they are to judge God’s word. It is this criterion which the Muslims have imposed upon the discussion of revelation. The Bible is not simply one book compiled by one man as the Muslims claim for their Qur’an, but a compilation of 66 books, written by more than 40 authors, over a period of 1500 years! For that reason Christians have always maintained that the entire Bible shows the imprint of human hands. Evidence of this can be found in the variety of human languages used, the varying styles of writing, the differences in the author’s intellects and temperaments. Thought the muslims claimed the quran is sent down from heaven but there are MANY verses show the imprint of human hand in it. DEFINITION OF INSPIRATION. In 2 Timothy 3:16, we are told that all Scripture is inspired. The word used for inspiration is theopneustos which means“God-breathed,” implying that what was written had its origin in God Himself. In 2Peter 1:21 we read that the writers were“carried along” by God. Thus, God used each writer, including his personality to accomplish a divinely authoritative work, for God cannot inspire error. The Bible must be the invention either of good men or angels, bad men or devils, or of God. However, it was not written by good men, because good men would not tell lies by saying ‘Thus saith the Lord;’ it was not written by bad men because they would not write about doing good duty, while condemning sin,and themselves to hell; thus, it must be written by divine inspiration” HOW DOES GOD INSPIRE HIS WRITERS? How does God inspire the writers? Does He simply move the writers by challenging their heart to reach new heights, much like we find in the works of Shakespeare, find in the works of Shakespeare, which is human literary masterpieces? Or does that which He inspire contain the words of God-along with myths, mistakes and legends, thus creating a book in which portions of the Word of God can be found, along with those of finite and fallible men? Or are the scriptures the infallible Word of God in their entirety? In other words, how, Muslims will ask, is this inspiration carried out? Does God use mechanical dictation, similar to that which we find claimed for the Qur’an, or does He use the writers own minds and experiences? ANSWER: The simple answer is that God’s control was always with them in their writings, such that the Bible is nothing more than “THE WORD OF GOD IN THE WORD OF MEN”. This means that God utilized the culture and conventions of his penman’s ,God controls in His sovereign providence. Thus history must be treated as history, poetry as poetry, hyperbole and metaphor as hyperbole and metaphor, generalization and approximation as what they are, and so forth. We are fully aware that the Christian criteria for revelation is not acceptable to Muslims, as it is in seeming conflict with their own.Yet,by simply measuring the Bible against the‘sent down’ concept which they claim for their Qur’an, Muslims condemn themselves of duplicity, since they demand of the New Testament that which they do not demand of the previous revelations, the Taurat and Zabuur, though both are revered as equally inspired revelations by all Muslims. Muslims believe that Moses WROTE THE TAURAT AND DAVID THE ZABUUR . However, neither claimed to have received their revelations by a means of A' sent down’ transmission. So why insist on such for the New Testament, especially since the document makes no such claim itself? PROPHET WITHOUT PROVED? Left unsaid is the glaring irony that the claim for the sent down revelation for the Qur’an comes from one source alone, the man to which it was supposedly revealed, Muhammad. Yet there are no external witnesses both before or at the time who can corroborate Muhammad’s testimony. Not even miracles are provided to substantiate his claims, nor are there any known documents of such a Qur’an from the century in which it is claimed to have been revealed. What Muslims must understand is that Christians have always maintained that the Word of God, the Bible, was indeed written by men, but that these men were always under the direct inspiration of the Holy Spirit (2 Peter 1:20-21). Whereas the Qur’an is alleged to be free of any human element, God in the Bible deliberately chose to reveal His Word through individuals who were inspired prophets and apostles, so that His Word would not only b conveyed to humanity correctly, and comprehensively but would be communicated to their understanding and powers of comprehension as well. This the Qur’an CANNOT do if it has no human element, as is generally alleged. |
Ubenedictus:thank you my good friend, I just learn something from you. |
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Rilwayne001:this thread also deserve to be on the homepage. We need answer from muslims https://www.nairaland.com/2374316/which-one-correct |
tbaba12345:let me repeat myself again: God did not command Abraham to sleep with hager, it was sarai who advice Abraham to do it meaning God had no hand in ishmael birth, in a real sense As long as God is concerned, He ONLY recognised Isaac as Abraham son because that's what he promise him. |
Scholar8200:a very big AMEN. |
tbaba12345:yes, by legal right hager was Abraham wife, but God himself sanctioned the sending away of hager and ishmael, and NO one say Isaac was the only son BUT when God command Abraham to sacrifice Isaac, by then ishmael and his mother had long gone, that make Isaac the ONLY son presently with Abraham. |
Rilwayne001:1 Corinthians 15:46New Living Translation (NLT) 46 What comes first is the natural body, then the spiritual body comes later. Sarah was wrong when she told Abraham to marry Hagar ( Gen. 16:1-2), but she was right when she told Abraham to send Hagar and Ishmael out of the camp. God promise Abraham he will make him a father of all nation with sarai. But they were growing old and sarai was inpatient, so she told Abraham to sleep with hager, God has noting to do with this plan of sarai. But for Isaac, it was God himself that promise sarai a son name Isaac. Isaac was born of a divine promise but ishmael was of the flesh. |
Scholar8200:excellent brother, you nailed it. |
nunamyeong:don't mind him, he knows all this but still he chose be ignorance. |
tbaba12345:adam was called the son of God and many other, so what your point? Yes, Abraham has two son( Isaac and ishmael) even the quran omit ishmael name in the prophetic blood line. Meaning Isaac was the covenant child. |
tbaba12345:what do you understand by this word; Narrated Sahl bin Sad? The hadith is not a revelation. |
tbaba12345:bible make it clear, Isaac was born of a divine promise,after the birth of ishmael, God himself still went ahead to promise sarai son because the son is divine. Ishmael was born of the flesh,this is why the bible say Isaac was his ONLY son. Jesus has brothers but God called him the Only beggoten son in john3:16 |
tbaba12345:the hadith is not a revelation like the quran; Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 63: Narrated Sahl bin Sad: “The Prophet said, If any book should give much details about Isaac and ishmael, that should be the quran,BUT no , it did not. |
tbaba1234:finely we have a verse from apostle Paul muslims agreed with. ONLY begotten son mean the one Abraham have through the spirit; Galantian 4:23 His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise. |
tbaba12345:so the quran which muslims claimed is the final revelation from Allah who sopposed sanctioned the sacrifice did not mention which son is sacrifice? Nonsense. This debunked your thread. |
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