Christianity Etc › Re: Ishmael And Isaac, The Great Cover-up by malvisguy212: 7:11am On Jun 15, 2015 |
tbaba1234: Who was to be sacrificed by Abraham.
Like the Qur’an, the Torah we have today tells us that God tested Abraham with the sacrifice of his son. Unlike the Qur’an, the Torah makes the claim that it was Isaac to be sacrificed and not Ishmael:
Then God said, “Take your son, your only son, whom you love—Isaac—and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you.” [Genesis 22:2]
Not only does the Torah contradict the Qur’an, but it also contradicts itself. Notice the words “your only son”. Why does Genesis specifically refer to Ishmael as Abraham’s progeny in one place and then refer to Isaac as his “only son” in another place? The sacrificial son cannot have been Isaac, for the simple fact that Isaac was Ishmael’s younger brother and was therefore never Abraham’s only son. Such a description can only apply to Ishmael who was 13 years older than Isaac.
The claim that it must have originally referred to Ishmael is reinforced when we examine the Hebrew of the text. The Hebrew word ‘yachid’, translated as “only son” in the verse above, actually means “only begotten” according to the Gesenius Hebrew lexicon:B
[img]http://manyprophetsonemessage.files./2015/06/genesis-hebrew.png[/img] first,the reason Isaac was called Abraham only son is because God did not genuinely recognised ishmael as Abraham son,as bible put it "Isaac was born through the spirit ishmael was born of the flesh" Adam said in The Bible, Genesis 2:23-24, ...This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. In Matthew 19:5 Jesus quoted Adam and said that the two (not 11 as with Muhammed) shall become one flesh. So Abraham violated this doctrine and had a son by Hagar.God showed mercy on Abraham and did not punish him, but because God wanted his plan followed, he told Abraham to start over again and have a son by Sarai, his "ONE FLESH" wife. The quran even recognised Isaac as the ONLY son of Abraham in the prophetic line: Surah 29:27: And (as for Abraham), We bestowed upon him Isaac and (Isaac’s son) Jacob, and caused prophethood and revelation to continue among his offspring. (Asad) Why did ishmael name who is the first born of Abraham omitted? Surah 19:49: So, when he had withdrawn from them and that which they were worshipping beside Allah. We gave him ISAAC AND JACOB. Each of them We made a Prophet. (Pickthall) Surah 21:72-73: And We bestowed upon him ISAAC AND JACOB as a grandson. Each of them We made righteous. And We made them chiefs who guide by Our command, and We inspired in them the doing of good deeds and the right establishment of worship and the giving of alms and they were worshippers of Us (alone). (Pickthall) Once again, we can note that Ishmael is not mention in the above Qur’anic verses, whereas recognition is given to both Isaac and Jacob. Why did not Allah include Ishmael in these verses? If the quran is a complete book, why dint the quran give much details on who is sacrificed? As a matter of facte, it was the bible that give more details how the Arab began as a nation, the quran never provide the details. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Difference Between Trials And Temptations by malvisguy212(op): 8:53pm On Jun 14, 2015 |
malvisguy212: James 1:13-14, Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone. But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust.
There is a difference between a trial and a temptation, although both come from the same Greek word peirasmos. They are often used interchangeably, though. After all, temptation is a trial (of faith), and every trial is a temptation (to grumble). When the word appears in the New Testament the context helps us to see which interpretation is meant. There are therefore differences and similarities between trials and temptations. Although we must not push the distinctions too far, here are examples of the differences: 1. In their ultimate origin. Temptations come from the flesh; trials are sent fromGod. He allowed Satan to test Job (Job 1:6-12). Therefore when we speak of "trial" we see God's fingerprints; when we see temptation, we see our own the devil's. 2. In their immediate origin. Temptation comes from within; trials usually come from outside us. Job suffered physically, but inwardly at least at first there was no apparent struggle. 3. In their moral relevance. Temptation, when it is sexual in nature, has considerable moral relevance, but a trial may be what I would want to call morally neutral, such as illness or losing one's keys. 4. With reference to what is tested. Temptation will usually attack a weak spot; trials test our strength as well as exposing a weakness we may have been unaware of as with Job, who turned out to be so self-righteous. Any trial that God sends death of a loved one or friend, financial reverse, loss, illness, misunderstanding, losing your keys, failure, disappointment, betrayal, abuse, unemployment, depression, accident, loneliness, missing a train or plane, rejection, not getting that important invitation, or any physical pain should be seen as having our Lord's handprints all over them. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Reason Why Our Prayer Is Not Being Answer And The Solution!!! Pleased Read by malvisguy212(op): 7:45pm On Jun 14, 2015 |
charlesikhalea: u are the spokesman for ur God abi? Or both of u planned creation and everything else together!? Good luck with ur heavenly desires tho, no one can scare me with the end of the world crap, it's the end of the world for someone everyday....... friend. I do not mention end of the world neither did I threatened you with hell issue. Believe in God or not, it's your choice. As for me, I chose to honour God. Thank you. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Reason Why Our Prayer Is Not Being Answer And The Solution!!! Pleased Read by malvisguy212(op): 2:48pm On Jun 14, 2015 |
charlesikhalea: One thing I understand about Christianity and Church is that people go there because of what they hope to gain, that is why the churches with high population are the miracle churches, I don't care what anybody thinks, what I know is that if the church n bible didn't promise everlasting life in heaven n prosperity on earth most people would not go to church. They don't want to die so when they told that they can still exist when they die they embrace it. Everything Christains do they do because they were promised something, n this has been going on for years. We were brought up to scream Jesus when we are scared n grab the bible when we have nightmares, I know countries that don't have churches, they have no witches there. It's all in ur head, the things ur brain can be made to see and believe is amazing. Christains claim to have supernatural encounters with God, Muslim's claim same about Allah, even native doctors meet their Gods too......... If a God was out here he or she will be busy stopping earth quakes and disasters instead of answering stupid prayers of people wanting to be richer than their neighbors without working n killing one innocent woman in the village that has lived for 98yrs because she didn't sleep with people's husband when she was young... this may surprise you, but yes is the truth, world peace is not among the WILL of God, eliminate evil and we get partial freewill evil must exist for human to have two option, Love God or reject him, the only peace God want is "make peace with God" the universe is temporary one day it will end, the world peace human want ,we cannot get it here on earth, but heaven.natural disaster is the reason sentient creatures exist (human) |
Christianity Etc › Re: Reason Why Our Prayer Is Not Being Answer And The Solution!!! Pleased Read by malvisguy212(op): 2:38pm On Jun 14, 2015 |
Presidency25: It is written, "BUT LET HIM ASK IN FAITH, NOTHING WAVERING" (James. 1:6)! The miracle that you prayed for some time ago was just about to show up at your doorstep--but you wavered. And the moment you wavered, you sabotaged your blessing. It's not enough to ASK in faith; indeed, you must REMAIN in faith until the day your miracle arrives. And the way you remain in faith is simply by giving God thanks each day for the answer to your prayer.
EVERY TIME YOU WAVER IN FAITH, YOU MURDER YOUR MIRACLE! "Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for He is faithful that promised)" (Heb. 10:23). wonderful!!! Thanks very much. God bless you. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Lake Of Fire And Hell, What Are The Difference, Or Are They Thesame?? by malvisguy212: 1:56pm On Jun 14, 2015 |
atoleybaba: [b][/b]actually you are d one lost has u av turn bible upside down to fit your false teaching....all are questions should be answered Buh u guys look confuse...imagine someone saying hell has to meaning you guys are as confuse as anything else In the Hebrew Scriptures, the word used to describe the realm of the dead is sheol. It simply means “the place of the dead” or “the place of departed souls/ spirits.sheol also mean hell, some biblical chapter translated grave as hell also. Sheol/hades was a realm with two divisions a place of blessing and a place of judgment. Matthew 11:23 23 And you, Capernaum, will you be exalted to heaven? You will be brought down to Hades. For if the mighty works done in you had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. Carpernaum is brought down to hades for judgement,read what luke say in acts: Acts 2:27–28 27 For you will not abandon my soul to Hades, or let your Holy One see corruption. 28 You have made known to me the paths of life; you will make me full of gladness with your presence.’ "you will NOT abandoned my soul in hades" means there is hope in hades. Abraham bosom is not heaven. Luke 16:22 22 The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosoms.6 The rich man also died and was buried, The abodes of the saved and the lost are both generally called “hades” in the Bible. The abode of the saved is also called “Abraham’s bosom” or “Abraham’s side” in Luke 16:22 and “paradise” in Luke 23:43. The abode of the unsaved is called “hell” or “Hades” in Luke 16:23. The abodes of the saved and the lost are separated by a “great chasm” ( Luke 16:26). When Jesus died, He went to the blessed side of sheol and, from there, took the believers with Him to heaven ( Ephesians 4:8–10). |
Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by malvisguy212: 11:27am On Jun 14, 2015 |
Rilwayne001: What is the meaning of "interlingent"
@Bolded, You are wrong, perhaps you are right because both the verse in talked are no doubt a glaring contradiction. According to 2KI 24:8 Jehoiachin was EIGHTEEN years old when he began to reign..." You tried to in put your own word by lying that what the bible meant is that when he assumed authority, if thats true, the writer of this verse would have have made it known.
Lets check the meaning of "BEGAN". began /bɪˈɡan/ past of begin. begin /bɪˈɡɪn/ verb 1. perform or undergo the first part of (an action or activity).
We should know that 2KI 24:8 never mentioned anthing about assuming office, it simply says "began to reign". Please reconcile it with the meaning of "began".
Which means some writers of the bible are insane? 2 Chronicles 34:1 Josiah was eight years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem thirty-one years.
Oya! say another thing and also, Jehoiachin was 8years when he began to ruled, but his father died when he was 18years. In the history of the Jews, the son cannot be king when the father is still alive, Abrahamn, Isaac,Jacob, Joseph that how the family tree continue David solomon. Jehoiachin and his father were co-ruler and when his dad died he became the king. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by malvisguy212: 11:19am On Jun 14, 2015 |
Rilwayne001: What is the meaning of "interlingent"
@Bolded, You are wrong, perhaps you are right because both the verse in talked are no doubt a glaring contradiction. According to 2KI 24:8 Jehoiachin was EIGHTEEN years old when he began to reign..." You tried to in put your own word by lying that what the bible meant is that when he assumed authority, if thats true, the writer of this verse would have have made it known.
Lets check the meaning of "BEGAN". began /bɪˈɡan/ past of begin. begin /bɪˈɡɪn/ verb 1. perform or undergo the first part of (an action or activity).
We should know that 2KI 24:8 never mentioned anthing about assuming office, it simply says "began to reign". Please reconcile it with the meaning of "began".
Which means some writers of the bible are insane? 2 Chronicles 34:1 Josiah was eight years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem thirty-one years.
Oya! say another thing listen, at the age of 8 Jehoiachin was a co-ruler with his father and when his father died when he was 18years, he assume authority. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Two Question. by malvisguy212(op): 10:55am On Jun 14, 2015 |
mustymatic: [/quote][quote author=mustymatic post=34755033]Because it is no sin mustymatic: Because it is no sin mustymatic: Because it is no sin I don't bow down to image, image don't represents God, God is everywhere. Why muhammed say it is no sin in the first place? Because the muslims knows the pagan do the same worship, that why they thought it was sin until muhammed assured them "the mountain,safa and marwa is no sin" |
Christianity Etc › Re: Reason Why Our Prayer Is Not Being Answer And The Solution!!! Pleased Read by malvisguy212(op): 10:49am On Jun 14, 2015 |
Bantino: You have just saved a soul, I thank God for your life and for using you to bless me this Sunday morning. I pray that God Almighty will honour you exalt and answer all your prayers, In Jesus Name - Amen Elesta: This is so inspiring. Thanks for taking out time to share. God bless u blessed you too. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by malvisguy212: 8:27am On Jun 14, 2015 |
Rilwayne001: Mr. Ignoramus. What is "interlingent"
This is a very simple english that even my 7years old nephew will not find it hard to comprehend. Here is the question again, read it slowly: How old was Jehoiachin WHEN HE BEGAN TO REIGN ? Mr interlingent he began to reign at 8 but ASSUME AUTHORITY at 18. Sane man will know an 8years old boy cannot ruled. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Lake Of Fire And Hell, What Are The Difference, Or Are They Thesame?? by malvisguy212: 8:24am On Jun 14, 2015 |
Gombs: Hell is a temporary place, like all temporary things, they come to an end.
You must be thinking wrongly. The lake of fire is eternal... No breaks.
The Devil who deceived them will be hurled into Lake Fire and Brimstone, joining the Beast and False Prophet, the three in torment around the clock for ages without end.
Notice the bold above carefully. Sadly, you fall into the category of those in the above underlined. 
Read the above read carefully and see how ridiculous your post sound. Meanwhile, thank me for the correction later. 
Read the above red.... Slowly again.
Who else did? You?
1 Corinthians 15 v26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
How do you qualify an entity that's being in existence since the beginning of time? Why will an entity that's a condition, like you erroneously implied, be termed an enemy that shall be destroyed?
Meanwhile, Rev 9v11 MSG They had a king over them, the Angel of the Abyss. His name in Hebrew is Abaddon, in Greek, Apollyon—"Destroyer."
Alright, miss smarty... Why do man grow old and die, even though his cells keep reproducing all through his lifetime? What took a hold of him? What caused the aging?
NB: Science cannot answer these, why? It's spiritual... Man is a spirit, what affects him always begins with the spirit.
Sicknesses are incipient death. Go figure.
I just obliged you.  thank you my good friend for this reply, she called christians clueless but she did not know how clueless her post is, if death is not a spirit then what is it? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by malvisguy212: 8:10am On Jun 14, 2015 |
Rilwayne001: How old was Jehoiachin when he began to reign?
2KI 24:8 Jehoiachin was EIGHTEEN years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.
2CH 36:9 Jehoiachin was EIGHT years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD. Mr interlingent.the age of 8 is unusually young to assume governmental leadership. However , Jehoachin's father, Madehim, became an unofficial co-ruler at the age of eight to train him! This was followed with Jehoachin becoming officially the king at his father's death at 18 years of age! |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Difference Between Trials And Temptations by malvisguy212(op): 7:48am On Jun 14, 2015 |
Cc OAM4J |
Christianity Etc › Re: Two Question. by malvisguy212(op): 7:24am On Jun 14, 2015 |
mustymatic: Believe it or not, Muhammad pbuh didn't practice idol worship, the hadith u quoted didn't say he did, so chill safa between marwa and twaf are pagan practice, why did muhammed say "it is no sin for a muslim to PErformed the ritual?" |
Christianity Etc › Re: Love Thy “gay” Neighbor by malvisguy212(op): 7:21am On Jun 14, 2015 |
[quote author=malvisguy212 post=33648667][/quote]peace. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Difference Between Trials And Temptations by malvisguy212(op): 7:16am On Jun 14, 2015 |
Rilwayne001: Does God Tempts?
"And it came to pass after these things, that God did TEMPT Abraham." (GEN 22:1)
"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." (JAS 1:13) I thought you are interlingent? Read the op very well: There is a difference between a trial and a temptation, although both come from the same Greek word peirasmos. They are often used INTERCHANGEABLE though. After all, temptation is a trial (of faith), and every trial is a temptation (to grumble). When the word appears in the New Testament the CONTEXT helps us to see which interpretation is meant. The difference between trial and temptation is. temptation: "Do this pleasant thing and do not let yourself be hindered by the fact that it is wrong," whereas trial says, "Do this good and noble thing, and do not let yourself be hindered by the fact that it is painful". |
Christianity Etc › Re: How Do I Tell People I Am An Atheist? Help! by malvisguy212: 6:57am On Jun 14, 2015 |
ibkgab001: My brother same here .. but i fully believe in God and 100 percent sure there is God ... but i hate to see the sinners pretending as saint in church are you a righteous man? Why do you called them sinner? It is better you serve God from your heart,preach the word, do your time and leave. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Difference Between Trials And Temptations by malvisguy212(op): 4:42am On Jun 14, 2015 |
Princewell2012: You' re absolutely correct. God test while Satan tempt. Abraham was tested by God while Satan tempted Jesus. The bible actually calls satan a tempter. Christians needs self control, which is one of the fruit of the Holy spirit in order to over comes temptation. God bless you op. bless you too my good friend. |
Christianity Etc › The Difference Between Trials And Temptations by malvisguy212(op): 10:33pm On Jun 13, 2015 |
James 1:13-14, Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone. But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust.
There is a difference between a trial and a temptation, although both come from the same Greek word peirasmos. They are often used interchangeably, though. After all, temptation is a trial (of faith), and every trial is a temptation (to grumble). When the word appears in the New Testament the context helps us to see which interpretation is meant. There are therefore differences and similarities between trials and temptations. Although we must not push the distinctions too far, here are examples of the differences: 1. In their ultimate origin. Temptations come from the flesh; trials are sent fromGod. He allowed Satan to test Job (Job 1:6-12). Therefore when we speak of "trial" we see God's fingerprints; when we see temptation, we see our own the devil's. 2. In their immediate origin. Temptation comes from within; trials usually come from outside us. Job suffered physically, but inwardly at least at first there was no apparent struggle. 3. In their moral relevance. Temptation, when it is sexual in nature, has considerable moral relevance, but a trial may be what I would want to call morally neutral, such as illness or losing one's keys. 4. With reference to what is tested. Temptation will usually attack a weak spot; trials test our strength as well as exposing a weakness we may have been unaware of as with Job, who turned out to be so self-righteous. Any trial that God sends death of a loved one or friend, financial reverse, loss, illness, misunderstanding, losing your keys, failure, disappointment, betrayal, abuse, unemployment, depression, accident, loneliness, missing a train or plane, rejection, not getting that important invitation, or any physical pain should be seen as having our Lord's handprints all over them. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Went To Heaven The Day He Died Or 40 Days After ? by malvisguy212: 10:16pm On Jun 13, 2015 |
MizJanet: JAMES 2:26 says " body without spirit is Dead" , why should he die imediately if his prayer wasnt answered ? , his death proves that spirit has gone out of him, to where ? He himself says to The father in heaven . Thats the prove . he died and his spirit went to sheol and hades. Acts 2:31 31 Seeing what was to come, he spoke of the resurrection of the Messiah, that he was not abandoned to the realm of the dead, nor did his body see decay. Also this verse; 1 Peter 3:18-20 18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. 19 After being made alive,[a] he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, |
Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Went To Heaven The Day He Died Or 40 Days After ? by malvisguy212: 10:00pm On Jun 13, 2015 |
dolphinheart: Pls, I deliberately numbered the questions so that mumble jumble answers will not occur, so that anybody reading the post can understand the answers to each one.
Do not look at my percieved mistake, do not pre-judge me, do not form a conclusion out of my questions while still not answering them. If you cannot give answers in the format I asked them (numbering) , then pls don't reply and let me ask some one else .
This post beings futher questions
8.where in the bible is it stated that jesus had two natures at the same time? Is the Godly nature part/in/the spirit of jesus, or is his Godly nature seperate from his spirit? What do understand by the statements in Phil 2:7?
9 if jesus had two natures , pls can we know what happened to his Godly nature at his death? Where did that nature go to?
10. What bible verse(s) tell us a spirit cannot die?
11. If jesus has two natures and uses his Godly nature to answer Godly request, why is it that the Godly nature does not know the answer to Godly questions posed to him by his disciples.?
Note: sheol/ hades is also hell right? . The bible verses you quoted does not say anything on divisions in hell. By the way , those bible verses made mention of the soul and not the spirit going into the realm of the dead. If jesus spirit did not go to God, where did it go? Note again, for at death the spirit leaves the soul, did jesus spirit and soul go to hell separately? am sorry, I don't know how to quote post by post and also I don't like arguing a brother. I will just say less and go. 1. Jesus has two natures -- He is God and man. 2. Each nature is full and complete -- He is fully God and fully man. 3. Each nature remains distinct. 4. Christ is only one Person. 5. Things that are true of only one nature are nonetheless true of the Person of Christ. JESUS IS GOD The bible teaches that Jesus is not just an ordinary man, He is divine in nature; Titus 2:13 13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, the book of Hebrews gives us God the Father's direct testimony about Christ: "But of the Son He says, 'Thy throne, O GOD, is forever and ever" JESUS IS MAN It should be obvious that if Jesus is God, then He has always been God. There was a NEVER a time when He became God, for God is eternal. But Jesus has NOT always been man. John 1 say the word became flesh, the word is IMMATERIAL and he became flesh "MATERIAL" and scripture go on to say He made HIS dwellings among US (human). the points is this there is NO verse Jesus became God but there is verse were He became Man. Hope you understand? Infacte uptil TODAY as we speak, Jesus IS still fully man and fully God. This is your questions: 9 if Jesus had two natures , pls can we know what happened to his Godly nature at his death? Where did that nature go to? Answer: the nature went to sheol and hades to judge those who died before His coming,but the human nature remain in the grave and after 3days he ressurected. 10. What bible verse(s) tell us a spirit cannot die? Answer: Spirit is eternal, spirit is immaterial,the bible never say spirit die, but it did say God can destroyed the soul to HELL 11. If Jesus has two natures and uses his Godly nature to answer Godly request, why is it that the Godly nature does not know the answer to Godly questions posed to him by his disciples.? Answer: which question and verse is it? |
Islam › Re: Muhammad, A Mercy To The Worlds: Can Muslims Justify It? by malvisguy212: 9:18pm On Jun 13, 2015 |
Where are the muslims na? Are they sleeping? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Does Muslims Have Father?? by malvisguy212(op): 7:19pm On Jun 13, 2015 |
Demmzy15: How can I call 'God' my father?! because you don't know Him, you are a stranger to Him. The relationship with God and christians is like a father son relationship. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Went To Heaven The Day He Died Or 40 Days After ? by malvisguy212: 7:17pm On Jun 13, 2015 |
dolphinheart: Questions 1.If jesus spirit did not go to his God, where did it go to? At least it must go or stay somewhere if the mainstream teaching of spirit is true. Pls add scriptural proves.
3.If the spirit of jesus did not go to heaven cus he is not pure at the point of death, does that mean that no spirit has gone back to God cus they are all sinners ?
2.5 if jesus prayer was not answered cus he was not pure, is his promise to the thief beside him also not pure?
3. Was Stephens prayer answered at the point of his stoning?
4. Other prophets that were killed violently, where they also forsaken by God? Where are their spirits now.?
5 if Mary touching jesus will stain the purity of jesus, did the other disciples touch jesus, yes or no. Will these stain jesus purity?
6. What did jesus really mean when he said that he has not ascended to the father yet.
7. If humans are spirit in a body, when did the spirit enter the body ?. the mistake you are doing now is comparing Jesus and other prophet, Jesus has two nature, God and man, the bible make it clear "God is a spirit" a spirit cannot die meaning at the cross it was his human nature that is crying with pain. There is something you need to know about Jesus ministry, when you approach him as God you will have a Godly reply, peter called him God and Thomas called him God and Jesus reply was Godly reply and also on the cross , When the criminal make a request, he aknowleged Jesus as God by calling Him LORD and Jesus answer was in Godly response. That is how the TWO nature works , Jesus did not deny being human or God. So at the cross when he commit his spirit, it was his human nature.he went to hades ; Acts 2:31 31 Seeing what was to come, he spoke of the resurrection of the Messiah, that he was not abandoned to the realm of the dead, nor did his body see decay. Also this verse; 1 Peter 3:18-20 18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. 19 After being made alive,[a] he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, He commit his spirit does not mean his spirit ascend to hell. Infacte some bible passage say he commend his spirit; Luke 23:46 King James Bible And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost. Sheol/hades was a realm with two divisions a place of blessing and a place of judgment ( Matthew 11:23; 16:18; Luke 10:15; 16:23; Acts 2:27–31). |
Christianity Etc › Re: Two Question. by malvisguy212(op): 6:23pm On Jun 13, 2015 |
mustymatic: Muhammad peace be upon him never practice idol worship, so basically u r lying n I don't kno how u expect any defense here. assuming u where bn truthful what was muhammed doing in the cave of hira? Surah (Al-Baqarah) 2:144: “We see the turning of thy face for guidance to the heavens: now shall We turn thee to a Qibla that shall please thee. Turn then Thy face in the direction of the sacred Mosque : Wherever ye are, turn your faces in that direction.” (Yusuf Ali) The time this verse was revealed,the kabba was still housing 360 idols with the black stone in it, still muslims pray towards the area, Why would Allah permit his Prophet to bow towards the Ka’ba while it was still polluted with 360 pagan idols? The command given in the Qur’an to change the Qiblah predates by years the conquest of Mecca. Those idols were destroyed only after the conquest of Mecca. Thus, during all those intervening years, between the time the Qiblah was changed towards the Ka’ba and the conquest of Mecca, whenever Muhammad faced the Ka’ba to pray, the Ka’ba remained a shrine of idol-worship. Sahih Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 23: Narrated By ‘Asim bin Sulaiman: I asked Anas bin Malik about Safa and Marwa (i.e. two mountains at Mecca). Anas replied, “We used to consider (i.e. going around) them a custom of the Pre-Islamic period of Ignorance, so when Islam came, we gave up going around them. Then Allah revealed, ‘Verily, Safa and Marwa (i.e. two mountains at Mecca) are among the Symbols of Allah. So it is not harmful of those who perform the Hajj of the House (of Allah) or perform the Umra to ambulate (Tawaf) between them.’” ( Surah 2:158) [End of Quote] Surah 2:158: “Lo! (the mountains) As- Safa and Al-Marwah are among the indications of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who is on pilgrimage to the House (of Allah) or visiteth it, to go around them ( as the pagan custom is).” (Pickthall) Clearly writing,muhammed sanctioned pagan worship in islam . |
Christianity Etc › Re: Does Muslims Have Father?? by malvisguy212(op): 6:08pm On Jun 13, 2015 |
Demmzy15: Ayaf sha told you my own. Bunch of losers!!!  the op ask a question, none of you have answer, does muslims have father?can you called God your father? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Went To Heaven The Day He Died Or 40 Days After ? by malvisguy212: 4:10pm On Jun 13, 2015 |
dolphinheart: Questions 1.If jesus spirit did not go to his God, where did it go to? At least it must go or stay somewhere if the mainstream teaching of spirit is true. Pls add scriptural proves.
3.If the spirit of jesus did not go to heaven cus he is not pure at the point of death, does that mean that no spirit has gone back to God cus they are all sinners ?
2.5 if jesus prayer was not answered cus he was not pure, is his promise to the thief beside him also not pure?
3. Was Stephens prayer answered at the point of his stoning?
4. Other prophets that were killed violently, where they also forsaken by God? Where are their spirits now.?
5 if Mary touching jesus will stain the purity of jesus, did the other disciples touch jesus, yes or no. Will these stain jesus purity?
6. What did jesus really mean when he said that he has not ascended to the father yet.
7. If humans are spirit in a body, when did the spirit enter the body ?. I am busy now. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Went To Heaven The Day He Died Or 40 Days After ? by malvisguy212: 4:03pm On Jun 13, 2015 |
Pr0ton: How do you explain this then?
Hebrews 5:7 During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. there is different from heard and answer, save from death mean after 3 days he was ressurected. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Went To Heaven The Day He Died Or 40 Days After ? by malvisguy212: 2:18pm On Jun 13, 2015 |
MizJanet:
Shut up! I hate empty deception and lies , he made the statement at the op AFTER sayin ' why has thou forsake me' not before saying it, which would have mean his prayer wasnt answered, but the statement was made as the final statement , and his death was the evidence of acceptance - see James 2:26 , so u have no point here .
Whether He Carry Sin or he doesnt , he ( Jesus ) is pure and sinless says 1peter 2:22 'he commit no sin' , so u have no point!

how old are you?Jesus is sinless,YES, why did he die? Is it not for the sins of the world? The price was paid on the cross, he nail the sins of the world there" buried with sin ALIVE in christ" on the cross,his spirit was with sin so God did not here is prayer meaning his spirit did not ascend to heaven as you say. If you do not stop this deception, God will judge you soon. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Allah’s Invalidate His Own Revelation. by malvisguy212(op): 2:12pm On Jun 13, 2015 |
crusading |
Christianity Etc › Re: Two Question. by malvisguy212(op): 2:09pm On Jun 13, 2015 |
crusadistic: yet you believe in rapist genocidal mass murderers as God's prophet mustymatic: When will write a truthful post? idolatry? crusadistic: yet you believe in rapist genocidal mass murderers as God's prophet crusadistic: when will you people attack on something real for once  All I see is insult without defending the false prophet. |