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9jaforlife:
[b] E-v-i-l-gelist Ifeann aka parisbookaddict... Not everyone who reads, understands, especially when you have a sickness called bigotry


Q69-40
[That] indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger.

Q69:41
And it is not the word of a poet; little do you believe.

Q69:42
Nor the word of a soothsayer; little do you remember.

Q69:43
[It is] a revelation from the Lord of the worlds.

Q69:44
And IF Muhammad HAD made up about Us some [false] sayings

Q69:45
We would have seized him by the right hand

Q69:46
Then We would have cut from him the aorta.

Q69:47
And there is no one of you who could prevent [Us] from him.

Q69:48
And indeed, the Qur'an is a reminder for the righteous.

Q69:49
And indeed, [size=16pt] We know that among you are deniers. [/size]

Q69:50
And indeed, [size=16pt] it will be [a cause of] SORROW upon the disbelievers.
[/size]

Apart from your chronic bigotry, you need help with grammar. "If Muhammad had" means he did not

The death of the Prophet (PBUH) had NOTHING to do with the revelation of the Quran. The Quran is Complete and Faultless. Allah said it in this verse...


Q6:115
[size=16pt] Perfected is the Word of thy Lord in truth and justice. [/size] There is naught that can change His words (Quran). He is the Hearer, the Knower.


Those verses in bold red above are referring to YOU! [/b]


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you did not explained anything here.

Q69:44
And IF Muhammad HAD made up about
Us some [false] sayings
Q69:45
We would have seized him by the right
hand
Q69:46
Then We would have cut from him the
aorta.

What is Allah saying here? If muhammed had say something contrary to what He command him to say, Allah will cut of his AORTA. Is it not what the verse is saying?

What next? Muhammed, before he died, he made this same complained about his AORTA.

Bukhari's Hadith 5.713:
Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his
ailment in which he died, used to say, "O
'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the
food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, [b]
I feel as if my AORTA is being cut [/b]from
that poison."

Is this a coincidence ?

CryptDarpick:
And what verse in the quran says that covenant of prophethood is to come through isaac alone?



Yes, that verse was speaking about jews. And here its simple, favour here refers to the fact that the jews have had more prophets than any other people, thats the favour.


Recycling your pagan rubbish alone, lol! Muhammad was never a pagan. And Tell me, who did abrahams father worship? I think you read. Y topic about your pagan claims, but just for the sake of recycling you're bring it up again.




Lol! Just read the rubbish you wrote above. Clown

the covenant begins with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Terah Abraham father worship other God this was not a problem because the covenant begins with Abraham, Genesis 12:1-3 give details how Abraham was called. that is were it began. God did not recognised terah in his covenant.

The quranic verse I post was clear, allah favour the Jew among ALL people, but if you want to keep on deceiving your self, muslims who are viewing , I pray God will open there mind.

and why did you deactivate your other account Abuman?

Scholar8200:
Here is how God put words in Moses' mouth:
Exodus 4: 10,12
10 And Moses said unto the Lord, O my Lord, I am not eloquent, neither heretofore, nor since thou hast spoken unto thy servant: but I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue.
(Then God replied Moses)
12 Now therefore go, and I will be with thy mouth, and teach thee what thou shalt say.

The same was the manner with Jesus Christ:

John 8:28

28 Then said Jesus unto them, ... I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things

John 12:49
49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak..

God bless you friend. Thank you .I love it.

CryptDarpick:
I dont know why you christians dwell on this! Even if ishmael wasnt mentioned here you have no point, prophet hood and books were indeed given to the bloodline of isaac. There are verses that speak solely about ishmael as a progeny and some that concentrate on isaac and his descendants And i didnt twist anything, thats muhsin khans translation.

Says the bible.. Why should i include esau, its a quranic verse, i dont think esau is even mentioned in the quran. Ishmael on the other hand is a prophet.



Just asserts isaac was a prophet as well, and so was his son. Probably because of the curiosity about whether or not isaac was a prophet since ishmael was the child who almost got sacrificed.



You see malvis your thinking has always been diminished, whose progeny was the verse speaking of, that of isaac or Abraham?



This speaks of the jews dumbo, ishmael wasnt sent to the jews, it speaks of the jews after the calf misdemeanor.



So he gave isaac and his grandson prophet and gave them chiefs? So? We believe that? Does the verse say it was exclusive to them? It speaks of isaac and his grandson!



Malvis youve never been a very smart person, ive always seen you as a clown really. The verses either speak of the jews, or just assert that isaac and his grandson were indeed prophets. Nothing useful here, just your usual recyclings.

[2.132] And the same did Ibrahim enjoin on his sons and (so did) Yaqoub. O my sons! surely Allah has chosen for you (this) faith, therefore die not unless you are Muslims.

[2.133] Nay! were you witnesses when death visited Yaqoub, when he said to his sons: What will you serve after me? They said: We will serve your God and the God of your fathers, Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq, one God only, and to Him do we submit.

"And (remember) Ishmael, Idris, and Zulkifl, all (men) of constancy and patience". 2:85

37
112. And We gave him the good news of Isaac - a prophet,- one of the Righteous.
113. We blessed him and Isaac: but of their progeny are (some) that do right, and (some) that obviously do wrong, to themselves.

Sahih International: Say, "We have believed in Allah and in what was revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Descendants, and in what was given to Moses and Jesus and to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [submitting] to Him." 3-84

Sahih International
And We certainly sent into every nation a messenger, [saying], "Worship Allah and avoid Taghut." And among them were those whom Allah guided, and among them were those upon whom error was [deservedly] decreed. So proceed through the earth and observe how was the end of the deniers. 16:36

Stop slaving yourselves to jewish propaganda. A whole religion based on a jewish farce.

are you not interlingent? Ishmael was the half brother of Isaac, muhammed cannot be descendant of both, IMPOSSIBLE, ishmael was an Arab and Isaac was a Jew. The different is soo clear. If a name is soppose to be omitted, it got to be Isaac because ishmael was his senior, but the quran and bible omitted ishmael, why? Because the covenant of prophethood is to come from Isaac ALONE.

If the verse you claimed was talking about only the children of isreal, then you are wrong, soo wrong because;

Surah 45:16: And verily We gave the
Children of Israel the Scripture and
the Command and the Prophethood,
and provided them with good things
and favoured them above ALL PEOPLE.
(Pickthall)
Surah 2:47: “O Children of Israel!
Remember My favour wherewith I
favoured you and how I preferred
you to (ALL) CREATURES.” (Pickthall)

Is this verse talking about only the children of isreal or ALL PEOPLE? Clearly written, Allah favour the children of isreal to all other creatures.

All true prophets of God must establish
who they are. Every single one of the
true prophets who were descendants
of Isaac and Jacob came from families
who were already worshippers of the
true God. They all worshipped the God
of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. As for
Muhammad, his parents were Arab
pagans and so were his grandparents.
Additionally, Muhammad himself was a
pagan until the time of his alleged
“calling as a prophet” by Allah. Is it not
strange that after choosing every single
one of His prophets from families who
were already true believers, God would
now choose a pagan worshipper who
came from a pagan family as his
prophet? We do not think so. That is why it should not surprise us to find many pagan rituals in the religion of Islam.
Muhammad incorporated them into the
religion of Allah. Therefore, to accept
Islam is to accept paganism and its lone
stone-kissing prophet. And as the Qur’an itself testifies clearly in Surah 29:27, Muhammad simply cannot be a prophet of the true God.

Galatians 4:22-28: It is written that
ABRAHAM acquired TWO SONS, one by
the slave woman and one by the free
woman; but the one by the slave
woman was actually born in the
manner of flesh, the other by the free
woman through a promise…Now WE,
brothers, are children belonging to
the PROMISE THE SAME AS ISAAC WAS.

Peace!

CryptDarpick:
I dont know why you christians dwell on this! Even if ishmael wasnt mentioned here you have no point, prophet hood and books were indeed given to the bloodline of isaac. There are verses that speak solely about ishmael as a progeny and some that concentrate on isaac and his descendants And i didnt twist anything, thats muhsin khans translation.

Says the bible.. Why should i include esau, its a quranic verse, i dont think esau is even mentioned in the quran. Ishmael on the other hand is a prophet.



Just asserts isaac was a prophet as well, and so was his son. Probably because of the curiosity about whether or not isaac was a prophet since ishmael was the child who almost got sacrificed.



You see malvis your thinking has always been diminished, whose progeny was the verse speaking of, that of isaac or Abraham?



This speaks of the jews dumbo, ishmael wasnt sent to the jews, it speaks of the jews after the calf misdemeanor.



So he gave isaac and his grandson prophet and gave them chiefs? So? We believe that? Does the verse say it was exclusive to them? It speaks of isaac and his grandson!



Malvis youve never been a very smart person, ive always seen you as a clown really. The verses either speak of the jews, or just assert that isaac and his grandson were indeed prophets. Nothing useful here, just your usual recyclings.

[2.132] And the same did Ibrahim enjoin on his sons and (so did) Yaqoub. O my sons! surely Allah has chosen for you (this) faith, therefore die not unless you are Muslims.

[2.133] Nay! were you witnesses when death visited Yaqoub, when he said to his sons: What will you serve after me? They said: We will serve your God and the God of your fathers, Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq, one God only, and to Him do we submit.

"And (remember) Ishmael, Idris, and Zulkifl, all (men) of constancy and patience". 2:85

37
112. And We gave him the good news of Isaac - a prophet,- one of the Righteous.
113. We blessed him and Isaac: but of their progeny are (some) that do right, and (some) that obviously do wrong, to themselves.

Sahih International: Say, "We have believed in Allah and in what was revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Descendants, and in what was given to Moses and Jesus and to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [submitting] to Him." 3-84

Sahih International
And We certainly sent into every nation a messenger, [saying], "Worship Allah and avoid Taghut." And among them were those whom Allah guided, and among them were those upon whom error was [deservedly] decreed. So proceed through the earth and observe how was the end of the deniers. 16:36

Stop slaving yourselves to jewish propaganda. A whole religion based on a jewish farce.

did you say ishmael was a prophet? Including Isaac? What was ishmael message? The quran indicate every prophet was given a message, highlight ishmael message. All what you wrote is wrong, very wrong. I am busy now, I will still come back to this post.

CryptDarpick:
Its been a long time malvis, mr i saw the devil and rebuked aka mr jesus told me he loves me! The usual recycling, nothing more. I think the idfference you noted between ishmael and his other siblings to isaac is a good point to consider. Thats if malvis has the ability to consider, but i bid you farewelll, for now.

have we debate before? Is this your defence? Ability to consider what ?

crusadistic:
simple use of words shouldnt be what is confusing you here.is the book/Quran not that very word of Allah that was sent down by Allah.you said Jesus is the WORD referred in the passage,you also say Jesus is the person also referred to does that make sense.

you haven't answer my question, how was the revelation given to muhammed?
Qur'an 12:2
"We have SENT it DOWN as an Arabic
Qur'an so you people may
understand / reason"

Sent it down indicate it come from heaven, BUT "put my word in his mouth" He was moved by the spirit to speak what the father commanded him to speak.

CryptDarpick:
Again it's my duty to defend islam, if you blindly reject the truth claiming rubbish like Taqiya, then you have yourself a problem.

Back then there were different tribes in Arabia and they all had their affiliations to a deity. Under Islamic rule, since those tribesmen don't pay zakat, they are required to pay Jizya, which is a sort of tax. Failing this condition intentionally means they're intentionally going against the Islamic government and muslims and have therefore dis validated the treaty which allows them to live in peace with muslims, making them hostile.

what do you have to say in here? https://www.nairaland.com/2381817/contradictions-analyzed-bible-quran
And
https://www.nairaland.com/2386060/deutoronumy-18-18-analyst

CryptDarpick:
And We bestowed on him [Ibrahim (Abraham)], Ishaque (Isaac) and Ya'qub (Jacob), and ordained among his offspring Prophethood and the Book [i.e. the Taurat (Torah) (to Musa - Moses), the Injeel (Gospel) (to 'Iesa - Jesus), the Quran (to Muhammad SAW), all from the offspring of Ibrahim (Abraham)], and We granted him his reward in this world, and verily, in the Hereafter he is indeed among the righteous..

you are a great twister and soo many deception in your post.

Surah 29:27: And (as for Abraham),
We bestowed upon him Isaac and
(Isaac’s son) Jacob, and caused
prophethood and revelation to
continue among his offspring.


This is the covenant of prophethood, two brother cannot shere the same blessing, if you include ishmael then you must include ESAU, esau even stand the chance than ishmael because ishmael was the half brother of Isaac BUT esau was the brother of Jacob(same mother) BUT Isaac did not give the blessing to esau because Jacob had already received the blessing. Now compared it with ishmael who was not even the full brother of Isaac. The truth is that two brother cannot shere the same blessing.

If Allah intends to include Ishmael, his name would be placed before Isaac, as he was older than Isaac by fourteen years. But as it can be noted, Surah 29:27 completely omits any reference to Ishmael, raising the question as to why he was totally ignored if he was as important as Muslims claim him to be.

If Muhammad is a descendant of
Ishmael, then he cannot be a descendant of Isaac at the same time,
given the fact that Ishmael and Isaac are half-brothers. Thus, it is evident that
Muhammad is not a descendant of Isaac. As Muhammad was neither a Jew nor a descendent of Isaac and Jacob,this
automatically disqualifies him as a
prophet of God.

Further evidence proof muhammed is a false prophet:

Surah 19:49: So, when he had
withdrawn from them and that which
they were worshipping beside Allah.
We gave him Isaac and Jacob. Each
of them We made a Prophet.
(Pickthall)

Surah 21:72-73: And We bestowed
upon him Isaac, and Jacob as a
grandson. Each of them We made
righteous. And We made them chiefs
who guide by Our command, and We
inspired in them the doing of good
deeds and the right establishment of
worship and the giving of alms and
they were worshippers of Us (alone).
(Pickthall)

Once again, we can note that Ishmael is
not mention in the above Qur’anic
verses, whereas recognition is given to
both Isaac and Jacob. Why did not Allah
include Ishmael in these verses since
Muslims claim that he is also a prophet
of Allah?

Syncan:
God bless you. That's how it should be, turning a blind eye and bringing out other allegation is simply mischievous. And that is not a fruit by which we know true Christians. Some will come ignorant like the OP and still go unenlightened, because of their deceitful heart, because they will hear His words and yet harden their hearts, like their ancestors at meribah. May Divine light guide your path.

Amen and amen. Thank you.

NumberOne2:
There is a difference between sin and offence. Sin is to GOD. Offence is to MAN. Dont mix them up.
What sin did women and children in the market commit to be BOMBED by a Muslim?

Does Islam not know that if a man refuses to become a Muslim today, he may change his mind tomorrow?
Why kill him today because he refused today? Is that a wise action?

if they had know the meaning of freewill but they dints.

crusadistic:
"I WILL PUT MY WORD IN HIS MOUTH" so Jesus is the word referred to here,who ate him
the verse perfectly applies to Muhammad(SAW).that passage is talking about a unique form of revelation.the Quran is not the word of Jibreel as you try to imply but rather the Entire Quran is the Verbatim word of Allah i.e it was spoken word for word from God's own 'mouth' thats uniquely the first thing anyone will notice if they are reading the Quran unlike the way the bible was revealed,which is actually the words of the prophets but under the influence of the holy spirit.

you post indicate how knowledgeable you are to know the true God. The quran claimed "the book was sent down by allah" does this look like putting word in the prophet mouth?

crusadistic:
so were is the original torah ,injil ? Allah continuously making reference to this book indicate this books is in circulation during that time, it is impossible for this books to vanish just like that without a copy, don't you think? Now answer the following question and see were it will land you, if you sincerely answer it, you will discovered soo many lies:
1. At what point did the people corrupted the Torah and Injeel, was it before islam, during Muhammad's time of after him?
2. If it was before islam, why would Allah refer Muhammad to something that is corrupted to make confirmation?
3. If it was after Muhamad had died, how was he able to receive the revelation that
the Scripture (Torah and Injeel) had been corrupted?
4. The quran confirms that the Scripture
was a clear proof in writings. This means
there were copies in circulation. How
possible all copies vanished without
anyone having a copy anywhere? You
should by now discover a lie is told.
5. Why would God be so weak as to allow man throw away His words before He would vow to protect the subsequent
revelations? Did He learn from experience?
I put it to you the Bible is the Torah and
Injeel put in one Book.

Can you attempt this?

crusadistic:
which instant judgement for sins are you talking of is it murder,rape,stealing,robbery,adultery…
OK then no more judgement for these.let's see how beautiful the world will be

you are not making sense.

Syncan:
There is nothing there to respond to. If you are truthful, you'll first acknowledge that the OP's false claim has been put to rest, before looking for something else for catholics to respond to. I saw his rants and it's not worth a response.

I saw your first post and it was excellent.

Rilwayne001:
You should come back here https://www.nairaland.com/2172133/question-did-jesus-read-bible/15 and we will discuss it better. Afterall, you ran away from the thread.

your question has been answered, Jesus read the bible when he qoute from isaiah 61 in john 4:20 but Jesus did not read the gospel.

mustymatic:
Whoa! calm down, 40 authors? were they witnesses? Even Jesus too received alone , if ur referring to quran, that is why they are called prophets

1 Pet 3:18 For Christ also hath
once suffered for sins, the just
for the unjust, that he might
bring us to God, being put to
death in the flesh, but quickened
by the Spirit:

Here peter quote from the book of isaiah;
Isaiah 53:4
Surely he took up our pain and bore our
suffering, yet we considered him
punished by God, stricken by him, and
afflicted.

And Daniel 9:26 talk about Him;
And after threescore and two weeks shall
Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:
and the people of the prince that shall
come shall destroy the city and the
sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be
with a flood, and unto the end of the war
desolations are determined.

You see, starting from genesis, we see how the new covenant come to be, ALL the old testament prophet talk about Him, this is enough witness. If this major prophet were mention in the quran(isaiah,elijah,ezekiel,Jeremiah) we would have know the truth.

mustymatic:
You don't understand that u r Antichrist.... Hmmm

is this your defence in the op? Deutoronumy 18:18 say I will put my word in his mouth, can you provide one quranic verse were Allah put his word on muhammed mouth?

mustymatic:
Allah commanded the believers to believe in Him and in all His Books and Messengers.

We were commanded to believe in the (original) Torah and Injil, but not to implement them.

so were is the original torah ,injil ? Allah continuously making reference to this book indicate this books is in circulation during that time, it is impossible for this books to vanish just like that without a copy, don't you think? Now answer the following question and see were it will land you, if you sincerely answer it, you will discovered soo many lies:

1. At what point did the people corrupted the Torah and Injeel, was it before islam, during Muhammad's time of after him?
2. If it was before islam, why would Allah refer Muhammad to something that is corrupted to make confirmation?
3. If it was after Muhamad had died, how was he able to receive the revelation that
the Scripture (Torah and Injeel) had been corrupted?
4. The quran confirms that the Scripture
was a clear proof in writings. This means
there were copies in circulation. How
possible all copies vanished without
anyone having a copy anywhere? You
should by now discover a lie is told.
5. Why would God be so weak as to allow man throw away His words before He would vow to protect the subsequent
revelations? Did He learn from experience?

I put it to you the Bible is the Torah and
Injeel put in one Book.

Rilwayne001:
I don't have to quote the Quran to validate the bible. The bible is a witness against itself. I have nothing to do with it.

Have a nice day

NO, the bible was written by more than 40
authors, over a period of 1500 years! And most of this author make reference with each book, Jesus quote from isaiah,Paul quote from the psalm and genesis, the list goes on. But for the quran,only muhammed claimed to have received the revelation, no one was his witness, this is blind faith.

italo:
Sorry, friend. The post is too vague for me.

Answering such a post will amount to waste of time.

I will answer when I find someone going straight to the point. Thanks.

ok, have a bless full day ahead.

Scholar8200:
Alright as regards the highlighted:
1. The OT and NT were off shoots of the promise made to Abraham and were prophesied ahead of time. How come the 'final testament' is bereft of the faintest jot of reference by these books revealed? And has no reference to the framework- God's promise to Abraham?
2. Since God is not the author of confusion, sir, why was the New Covenant called Everlasting Covenant? especially if there was to be another?
3. Both testaments, Old and New, were ratified by blood. By what was the 'final testament ratified?
4. The last prophet was as Israel/the Church knows them, was John the baptist whose coming was clearly (expressedly) prophesied and his birth as such was attested to by angel Gabriel; mother, father and all Israel testified of his ministry and were witnesses. Whence a 'final prophet' in the books? And why the deafening silence by the books?
5. Most of the prophets and Moses prophesied of Jesus Christ and those gifted with that office today still point to Him. What then was the 'final prophet's' emphasis?
6. All prophets were inspired and they spoke by the Holy Spirit; the Word of the Lord came to them. Why the sudden change and substitution of the Holy Spirit by an angel?

7. If Mohammed had come in the inter-testament period,perhaps some of my questions would be unnecessary. But for one who came about 5+ centuries after and reiterated similar laws after the pattern of the OT's laws (with some differences) after God had clearly said He was going to make a New Covenant, NOT ACCORDING TO THE OLD, and He had already perfected same through Christ, the claims of such an one suggests that God later reversed His own words (Impossible!). How do you explain or clarify this?

I gain nothing arguing with you but, on a forum where we have many informed readers/ contributors on both sides who will gain therefrom, answers will be appreciated.

Regards

excellent question my good friend, God bless you.

italo:
Good points like?

I don't get his point.

Is he saying Catholics worship Mary as God?

Is he saying Catholics give her too much respect?

Is he saying the Apostles never gave her any recognition...or that they did but did not record it?

Is he saying that because the apostles, for example, did not record where they conducted a church wedding, then church weddings are sinful?

Is he saying that because the apostles never had or read a complete Bible like we have, then this compiled Bible is sinful.

Or is he just anti-Catholic?!

I think you should help me understand him...then I can answer adequately.

read the post very well, you will see it. Thank you.

Rilwayne001:
Deu 18:16 For this is what you asked of the LORD your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly when you said, "Let us not hear the voice of the LORD our God nor see this great fire anymore, or we will die."

Can you explain the motive behing this^ verse?

I'm not validating the bible BTW.

I expect you to provide a verse from the quran which say Allah put his word on muhammed.

The verse was talking about the ten commandment," on the day of his assembly"
Mount horeb and Sinai are the same place.
Deutoronumy 1:6
New International Version
The LORD our God said to us at Horeb,
"You have stayed long enough at this
mountain.
New Living Translation
"When we were at Mount Sinai, the LORD
our God said to us, 'You have stayed at
this mountain long enough.

Deutoronumy 18:16 the people was describing what happened when Moses was receiving the ten commandment, the event that took place at mount horeb
Deuteronomy 5:25
But now, why should we die? This great
fire will consume us, and we will die if
we hear the voice of the LORD our God
any longer.

italo:
Let them change the title of the thread to "Catholic Bashing Thread."

Don't pretend you're here to prove that a woman is greater than Mary, then when we prove you wrong, you ignore it and jump to other countless issues at random.

If you ask me what exactly is that poster's grouse, to be honest, I don't know.

am not against catholic, infacte I attend a catholic church sometimes (saint's Mary) as long as a catholic confessed Jesus as Lord and saviour, I don't have problems with them. But the points scholar made was a very good points.

In Islam, Jesus is believed to be nothing
more than a messenger ( an-Nisâ´:171;
al-Mâ´idah:75) and a prophet
(Maryam:30). In Shi’a Islamic tradition,
Jesus will return again, but not alone.
Rather, He will return with Muhammad
al-Mahdi: the prophesied redeemer of
Islam who, it is believed, will bring peace and justice to an utterly chaotic world by establishing Islam and Sharia law everywhere. Moreover, according to
Islam, Jesus not only will be subservient
to al-Mahdi, but Jesus will kill all who do
not convert to Islam and pledge
allegiance to Allah.
Interestingly, John wrote about two
"beasts" ( the first beast and the second
beast), who will be personified by the
Antichrist and the False Prophet. I feel it
is entirely possible that both of these
men will embrace the Islamic faith, or at
least will approve and be supportive of
Islam. They very well may even exploit
the destructive power of Islam for their
own benefit and gain.

Who is the liar? It is the man who
denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a
man is the antichrist—he denies the
Father and the Son. No one who
denies the Son has the Father;
whoever acknowledges the Son has
the Father also. (1 John 2:22,23)
Every spirit that does not
acknowledge Jesus is not from God.
This is the spirit of the antichrist,
which you have heard is coming and
even now is already in the world. (1
John 4:3)

God told Moses to speak to his brothers,
the Israelites, about the prophet he
would raise up for them:

Deuteronomy 18:18
I will raise up for them a prophet like
you [Moses]from among their
brothers; I WILL PUT MY WORD IN HIS MOUTH,and he will tell them
everything I command him.

This is NOT how muhammed received his revelation ,Muhammad, the self-proclaimed prophet of God, was not the prophet predicted by Moses to come into the world.
Furthermore, the one, true God (who is
not Allah) DID NOT PUT WORD INTO MUHAMMED MOUTH AND COMMAND HIM TO SPEAK TO HIS PEOPLE by His angel, Jibrael as the Qu'ran claimed(surah2:10)

Qur'an 12:2
"We have SENT it down as an Arabic
Qur'an so you people may
understand / reason"

Does sent looks like putting word in your mouth
? The muslims claimed Allah sent the quran down from heaven to muhammed but in deutoronumy 18:18 it say God will put his word in the mouth of the prophet.Allah did not put his word on the mouth of muhammed.

No prophet ever claimed to received revelation via sent down from heaven only muhammed.


Surah 4:171: “Christ Jesus the son of
Mary was (no more than) an apostle
of God, and HIS WORD , which he
bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit
proceeding from him: so believe in
God and His apostles.” (Yusuf Ali)

In Surah 4:171,Jesus is called,“His word" no other prophet were given this benefit ONLY Jesus .

The fact is, the prophet predicted to
come by Moses was not Muhammad but
was Jesus; He was of the tribe of Judah, a son of Israel/Jacob. Jesus said, "If you
believed Moses, you would believe me,
for he wrote about me" (John 5:46).
Those who were witnesses of Jesus'
miracles asserted, " Surely this is the
Prophet who is to come into the world." (John 6:14). Philip, one of Jesus’
disciples, stated, "We have found the
one Moses wrote about in the Law, and
about whom the prophets also wrote
Jesus of Nazareth " (John 1:45).

theAtheist101:
You don't need anyone/anything to hold you for your sins -- your conscience would. And what do you have the Nigerian government for, if you really need a judge? The human judicial system we have today is the best we have ever had. Also note that sins are over bloated by theists. What I do with my body without hurting anyone is noone 's business.

believe me, you do not no what you are saying here, have you ever been to prison before?

johnydon22:
Hahahahahahahahahaha again God created hell, then created satan and then allow satan drag me to hell then again god is not the one to take me to hell. . .

Unbelief in a mythical God is exactly the same as Unbelief in a mythical Satan. . . That i don't believe in ur god simply means i don't believe your satan too.

And again you are forgetting the 4,999 other God(s) and possible Hells you will be going to. . Lmao funny isn't it

God did not allow satan to drag you, God give you freewill to chose to love him or reject him.

johnydon22:
If you are referring to "Morality" as "Living as if there is a god" then truly i can say that you have a sickly moral basis cus you are just showing us without an God concept you would be without morals wreaking evil where ever you go. .

Now let me tell you Being Moral is not synonymous to belief in a god there are both two distinct concepts.

I see, you want to bring the argument of morality, subjective and objective morality again.and yes, God is the reason am alive today. What I've gone through ,experience and do in this life, none of you can ever do it but today I am save by his grace.

johnydon22:
Ok so the god will punish me for sheer unbelief?

And you see nothing wrong in that . . . It seems to me to be a matter of ego.
"Believe me or i will punish you" This sounds like an abuse to me cus am sure if someone tells you "Love me or i will hurt you" You will definitely find something wrong in this but how come you find nothing wrong in it when the supposed god is doing it on a more larger scale. . Its sheer blackmail and abuse born out ego and i can't imagine a perfect being operating on such character flaws.


Clamoring for love is Narcissism, I don't even know what a supposed perfect being is doing with love and worship. A perfect being needs nothing not love, not worship, not veneration, not acknowledgement because it is perfect. A circle needs nothing more added to it to make it 360°.
A god clamoring for love is Narcissist and Narcissism is a huge character flaw.

About Unbelief am not the only one with the unbelief here. . You are eliminating all the possible God(s) from the picture. If you die and find out that it's Zeus after all that is real then you will answer for your unbelief and remember there are up to 5000possible God(s) that may be the real one...
so you basically have only 1% different from an atheist. . . I disbelief all 5000god concepts which includes yours while you disbelief 4999 of them. . So its basically 99% same Odd. .

listen!!! God will not throw you into hell. You will not be allow in to heaven, as long as God is concerned you obey satan mean satan is you gods, and hell was created for satan, it mean satan will be the one take you to hell, in fact there is no verse God say "he throw you into hell. Jesus only say " DEPART FROM ME"

theAtheist101:
I would say: oh, there's truly an imperfect creator sha!

So you would rather prefer being blindfolded by your theist's beliefs, until your death? Your success is tied to your thoughts, so irrational thoughts would make you and your society surfer.

I rather chose to believe in God and have that conscience of not hurting other than to live like there's no God and no one will hold me accountable for my sin.

johnydon22:
I take it you mean as if there is a god is that you are afraid there might be and you fear what that god might do to you for sheer unbelief?

Ok you'd rather believe because if there is you think that the god will burn you because you dont believe right?

you do not understand me. I believe there is God but if I die and discovered you are right, there is no God, I have nothing to loose. But if you die and find out there is God, you would've to answer for your unbelief.