Christianity Etc › Re: Which One Is Correct??? by malvisguy212(op): 8:38am On Jun 13, 2015 |
malvisguy212: It is he who has created man from
WATER
-- Sura 25:54
And God has created EVERY LIVING CREATURES FROM WATER.
-- Sura 24:45
We created man from SOUNDING CLAY ,
from mud moulded into shape.
-- Sura 15:26
Amongst his signs is this,
that he created you from DUST.
-- Sura 30:20
Proclaim!
In the name of thy Lord and
Cherisher, who created -
created man, out of a mere CLOT OF
CONGEALED BLOOD -- Sura 96:1-2
Water,clot of blood,sounding clay, dust. Which is correct? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Does Muslims Have Father?? by malvisguy212(op): 8:31am On Jun 13, 2015 |
Beesluv: Rhetorical question!!! Adam and Hauwa nko did the quran give details on how Eve was even created? I want to see. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Exposes The Lie Of Horus! by malvisguy212: 8:26am On Jun 13, 2015 |
Rilwayne001: There you go again, displaying your lack of cognitive adhesiveness to what am telling you. I never told you that I am wiser than anybody, you just like to display your pathetic way of reasoning.
It would be better for you if you are, I am also a student, striving to be educated. Education is the best legacy, if you are not educated, you'll end up being a mediocre in life.
Are you still in problem? If not, why don't you take up my advice by going for an adult education, it would be better for you like that. My mum, was also an illiterate until she enrolled herself for adult education, and today she's doing pretty fine.
You train what You didn't train them, their teacher did.
But you see nothing insulting The Prophet and God? If Advicing you to go back to school is an insult, then you need deliverance, because you are against the bitter truth.
So, what are you? A professor
Lies and deception? thought you said he is an illiterate? Please malviguy, what is the meaning of the word "illiterate"?
let me get this straight, you are not educated mean you are an illiterate? Are you sure you are ok?you get A1 in English and I get F9 in English mean I am illiterate or am not Good at English? Is muhammed an illiterate or not?you are the first muslims who seems to disagree on muhammed educational level. it a good start. Thank you for your concerned,am not in problem anymore by His grace, believe me when I say this, I can take care of you both in school and any other thing. Let not derailed this thread. https://www.nairaland.com/2376542/two-question#34719476 |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Exposes The Lie Of Horus! by malvisguy212: 7:51am On Jun 13, 2015 |
Rilwayne001: Can you stand mine?
WHATEVER you term it, that your problem not mine. As far as I am concern, argueing with you is total waste of time. I choose who to argue with, not with dead-brain individual. I know you are wiser than your prophet muhammed, you should have discern his lies nah. I do not claimed to be educated but one thing I know is that I was doing ok in school before problems arrived and I give way for my younger ones, I train them at school, you can insult me as you like, I am used to it, muhammed is an illiterate, I wonder how someone like you who is educated cannot see his lies and deception. https://www.nairaland.com/2376542/two-question#34719476https://www.nairaland.com/2376542/two-question#34719476 |
Christianity Etc › Re: Two Question. by malvisguy212(op): 7:43am On Jun 13, 2015 |
Muhammad by his own actions has left a giant “question mark” on his character
because of which he will never ever be
accepted as a holy prophet by sane,
educated, people, brave enough to call
dirty what is dirty. |
Christianity Etc › Two Question. by malvisguy212(op): 7:35am On Jun 13, 2015 |
1.muhammed first marriage was with a Jewish woman and not with any Muslimah. So, which religious rites were followed at his marriage ceremony with a Jewish woman if Islam wasn’t yet born? Certainly, a Jewish style marriage ceremony! Even the Quran doesn’t mention anything about the Islamic ceremony of Prophet Muhammad’s first marriage. That simply shows that even Muhammad didn’t have any idea of the existence of Islam or his prophecy. 2.If Muhammad was an adorable prophet sent by Allah, then why didn't he reveal the truth about Islam, when he was a child or when he got young? Why did he waste 40 years of his life as a non-Muslim idolater? If his purpose of coming in this world was only to reveal Islam and preach it to people, then why he had to wait until more than half of his life, living like a common man and practicing idol-worship?
Even Budha was holier than muhammed.A man who left his home, luxury life and all the advantages he could have because of his rich background, just because he was really looking for truth and peace and make them reach to the humanity.
Even in Hinduism, Rama, the god of the idol-worshipping Hindus was a much better example than Muhammad, who spent many years of his life in jungles, leaving behind his entire luxurious kingdom. He engaged in some war, but on valid excuses. He never killed or tortured poor people on flimsy excuses as did Muhammad. He never forced someone to embrace Hinduism.
I am not justifying that any of the religions mentioned above is true, but all I want to say is that in comparison to Muhammad, those religious personalities stand higher in esteem and cleaner in character. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Exposes The Lie Of Horus! by malvisguy212: 7:03am On Jun 13, 2015 |
Rilwayne001: Go to school first, then come back. I can't waste my time with you. my junior brother, which is the last born, you cannot stand his educational level or achievement. You cannot defend your double standards god. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Exposes The Lie Of Horus! by malvisguy212: 5:32am On Jun 13, 2015 |
Rilwayne001: Are you begging me to come and contribute to your thread clot, blood,water,clay and dust, which among them allah use in creating human?what is the relationship between muslims and Allah? Muhammed died allah stop communicating to muslims,why? Or maby is allah and muhammed ONE person? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Does Muslims Have Father?? by malvisguy212(op): 5:28am On Jun 13, 2015 |
Demmzy15: Trash!!! Better do yourself a favour by deactivating your account like how Truthman2012Lie-lieman2012 would do soon!!! falsified my claimed nah,!! |
Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Went To Heaven The Day He Died Or 40 Days After ? by malvisguy212: 5:26am On Jun 13, 2015 |
MizJanet: this guy you can lie o, who told you his father did not accept his prayer bcoz his spirit is not pure, how many xtians and jews that pray to God are pure ? Yet you belive he hears that one despite u people aint pure . That shows you are saying trash
Was Jesus statement answered? " yes" ! Coz he died immediately after making that statement, which parallels james 2:26 , "body without spirit is DEAD" . No wonder his death happened immediately
Keep contradicting youself
Who ask you all these ?
*** product of religious fanaticism
THE QUESTION STILL STANDS if God the father accepts his prayer on the cross,Jesus will not cry "why has thou forsake me" even when I gave you isaiah 53 that prove Jesus carry the sins of human meaning his spirit is not pure and I went on to prove to you God cannot beholds sin meaning Jesus spirit do not ascend to heaven YET you say I was lying? Ok enjoy your thread. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Christ Exposes The Lie Of Horus! by malvisguy212: 9:38pm On Jun 12, 2015 |
Rilwayne001: Many early Christian theologians and historians noted the extreme similarity between Christianity and Pagan gods such as Osiris, Attis, Mithras, etc. Eusebius of Caesarea (283-371 CE) wrote: “The religion of Jesus Christ is neither new nor strange.”
St. Augustine of Hippo (354-430 CE) wrote: “This, in our day, is the Christian religion, not as having been unknown in former times, but as having recently received that name” (Graves, 1876, p. 246).
Celsus (late second century) commented on the similarities between Pagan and Christian beliefs: “...are our [Pagan beliefs] to be accounted myths and theirs [the Christians’] believed? What reasons do the Christians give for the distinctiveness of their beliefs? In truth, there is nothing at all unusual about what the Christians believe...” (Freke & Gandy. 2001, p. 9). Romans mithras or the Iranian one? https://www.nairaland.com/2374596/does-muslims-fatherhttps://www.nairaland.com/2374316/which-one-correct |
Christianity Etc › Re: Which One Of The Messiah Stories Do You Prefer To Others And Your Evidence? by malvisguy212: 9:29pm On Jun 12, 2015 |
johnydon22: I don't need faith to encounter my parents and neither do you because it is a certain reality.
I think arranging for me to see something doesn't demand faith, like do i need faith for you to show me a phone?
and my question is not even about me seeing any mythical being, my question still remains.
[size=20]Tell me what they look like since you have obviously seen them[/size] [quote author=malvisguy212 post=34679870]Romans 10:10-13 10 For it is with your HEART that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your FAITH and are saved. 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”[ e] 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” You see verse 10 talk about faith and heart and pay close attention to the next verse: Verse14-15 14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”[ g] So I ask, how can you called on Jesus who you did not believe or have faith in him? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Which One Of The Messiah Stories Do You Prefer To Others And Your Evidence? by malvisguy212: 9:18pm On Jun 12, 2015 |
johnydon22: both...... So just tell me what they look like since you have see them  malvisguy212: Do you guys have enough faith you will encounter them? johnydon22: both...... So just tell me what they look like since you have see them  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Confused Question About Adam And Eve Story by malvisguy212: 9:16pm On Jun 12, 2015 |
ojimbo: EVE ATE THE FRUIT,SHE DIDN'T REALIZE SHE WAS NAKED INSTANTLY, UNTIL ADAM HAD EATING THE FOOD BEFORE BOTH AUTOMATICALLY BECAME NAKED...HOW POSSIBLE? man was first created in the IMAGE of God and God used his rib to create the woman,this mean man has every responsibility in the garden infacte women was created to be his helper. Satan choice of chosen Eve was his plan he know Eve was a weakness to adam. If satan first tempt adam, the situation will not be like this, they (both adam and Eve) there eyes will be open at once "and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor." 1 Timothy 2:14 Adam was not deceive immediately by the serpent but by Eve. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Went To Heaven The Day He Died Or 40 Days After ? by malvisguy212: 8:01pm On Jun 12, 2015 |
If the op cannot accepts this simple explanation, then am sorry, her mind is corrupted by satan, the truth mean lies to her just as Paul say: 1 Corinthians1:25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength
What Paul is saying here is this;when we preach christ crucifix the unbelievers say "this is the foolishness of God" because they don't want to here someone died for there sin so they called it foolishness of God.but Paul is saying what they called foolish is beyond there wisest thinking and it is the ONLY way that can be save. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Went To Heaven The Day He Died Or 40 Days After ? by malvisguy212: 7:50pm On Jun 12, 2015 |
MizJanet: According to mainstream christianity , the spirit in man is the immaterial part of man which escapes the body at death . Most christians attend chuch services to save their spirit coz its d most important to them NOT this body of flesh which will rot away .
So thats why most of them says " humans are spirit that lives in a body" , pls re -read that statement again . You will discover that the real human is a spirit, while the body is just a shed . Hehehe  Ask me why i laugh , its because the christian Jesus came as a human , therefore he is a spirit that lives in a body . When did he go to heaven ?
According to luke 23:46 , he says " father, into your hands i entrust MY SPIRIT" , huh , hope you know the father lives in heaven . That shows that the real spirit called Jesus went to the father in heaven the day he died .
But how come he still denied that he has not ascend to the Father ? John 20:17 , How come the bible still claim its 40 days after his resurection ?
you ask a question and your canal mind cannot understand the truth when it was presented to you. ALL what you wrote up there is wrong, seriously wrong!!! You say this; According to luke 23:46 , he says " father, into your hands i entrust MY SPIRIT" , huh , hope you know the father lives in heaven . That shows that the real spirit called Jesus went to the father in heaven the day he died . This was Jesus prayer on the cross when dying And you assume God the father answer this prayer of Jesus? (a dying man on the cross) wrong, infacte God forsake Him on the cross,why? Because his spirit is not pure, He carry the sins of the world, Isaiah 53:4-5 4 Surely he took up our pain and bore our suffering, yet we considered him punished by God, stricken by him, and afflicted. 5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed. Verse four say WE considered him PUNISHED by God, the points is this, Jesus die on the cross for our sin and the bible make it clear that God cannot beholds sin ,so that prayer was rejected Infacte when Jesus say "my God why has thou forsake me" this prayer prove my point. Jesus did not deny ascended to the father, the reason he did not want Mary to touch him is because Jesus has already crucified the sins of the world and if Mary touch him will stain the PURITY of Jesus, infacte Mary could be killed because a sinner cannot come near the holy of holies. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Lake Of Fire And Hell, What Are The Difference, Or Are They Thesame?? by malvisguy212: 6:03pm On Jun 12, 2015 |
MizJanet: Eeyah, no wonder u and your religious folks are confuse .
So whats d meaning of hell in revelation 20:14 ? Grave or fire . read the context of the chapter. The Hebrew word for hell is sheol which actually refers to the grave. And all his sons and all his daughters rose up to comfort him; but he refused to be comforted; and he said, For I will go down into the grave [ sheol] unto my son mourning. Thus his father wept for him. ( Genesis 37:35 KJV) The LORD killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave [ sheol], and bringeth up. (1 Samuel 2:6 KJV) O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave [ sheol], that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me! ( Job 14:13 KJV) |
Christianity Etc › Re: Does Muslims Have Father?? by malvisguy212(op): 5:40pm On Jun 12, 2015 |
malvisguy212: As I’ve studied the spiritual power behind Islam and wondered how this spiritual power influenced Muhammad’s theology, a well known difference between Islam’s god and Christianity’s God kept coming to mind. That difference is that Islam’s god is never described or known as "Father", but in both Christianity and Judaism, God is known as Father. I thought about this not just from a mere doctrinal point of view, (anyone familiar with basic Islam knows that it has no concept of God as Father), but rather from a spiritual and relational point of view. I realized something about Muhammad’s relationship: the spiritual power behind Islam never gave Muhammad the intimate love that a father gives his son . That is why Muhammad NEVER called that spiritual power "father". He simply did not know it that way. The relationship between Muhammad and his god was one of a slave to his master, with obedience, rather than love, being the primary impulse. Below is how Muhammad described this relationship.
Narrated 'Umar: I heard the Prophet saying, "Do not exaggerate in praising me as the Christians praised the son of Mary, for I am only a Slave. So, call me the Slave of Allah and His Apostle." [1]
(NOTE 1: Muhammad did talk about loving Allah, and about Allah’s love. But Allah’s love is predicated upon the Muslim’s performance and obedience, not on their relationship. More on that later.) (NOTE 2: I know the word "Allah" means God in Arabic and that Arabic Christians use the word "Allah" for God. However, when I use the word, "Allah", I am specifically referring to the god of Islam).
Sura 5:18 And (both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are the children of Allah and His loved ones." Say: "Why then does He punish you for your sins?" Nay, you are but human beings, of those He has created, He forgives whom He wills and He punishes whom He wills. And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, and to Him is the return (of all).
You can see from the Quranic verse above that Muhammad refused to accept Christians and Jews as God’s children because He disciplined them. However, both the Old and New Testaments Bible teach that a loving father disciplines his children.
Hebrews 12:7-11 Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father? If you are not disciplined (and everyone undergoes discipline), then you are illegitimate children and not true sons. Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of our spirits and live! Our fathers disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, that we may share in his holiness. No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Lake Of Fire And Hell, What Are The Difference, Or Are They Thesame?? by malvisguy212: 5:38pm On Jun 12, 2015 |
MizJanet: Okay, so how come ur hell comes to an end , i thought you guys say it will be eternal ? Revelation 20:14
Does it make sense to you that hell a place burning with fire , will be casted into another fire, so that the former fire can feel pain ? Rev 20:14
Religious delusion , so ur god create a spirit named death ? Where in ur religious book is death called a spirit ?
** I know the intelligent ones know death is a condition , same as sickness is a condition.
Need answers indeed, you are lost, you know nothing about the bible. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Lake Of Fire And Hell, What Are The Difference, Or Are They Thesame?? by malvisguy212: 5:37pm On Jun 12, 2015 |
MizJanet:
Rili, grave called hell ? Translation foolishness
So hell in revelation 20:14 is refering to GRAVE ?
aha Janet, I say hell does not have only one meaning. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Which One Is Correct??? by malvisguy212(op): 5:31pm On Jun 12, 2015 |
kingk: . Now in john 14:15, our lord Jesus rightly said "if ye love me, keep my commandments". And answeres a certain man again in mathew 22:37-39 saying "37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Now bro, if a muslem keep to these commandment, won't he/she make heaven? Jesus say if you love me keep MY commandment,am sure the muslims will not agreed with this statement"MY commandment" they will say instead "God commandment" because they see Jesus as ordinary man Firstly, what is the law, and what is its purpose? The law is a manifestation of the perfect holiness of God, and was given to us (humanity) to show how utterly unable we are to meet God's standard by our own means, strength or works (Romans 7:7). When the law was introduced, it was never intended to be the instrument by which man would save himself, but it was the instrument through which man was to be saved. In a very real sense, man is saved through the fulfilment of the law by the grace God the father bestows upon his son Jesus. But the muslims don't believe in all this (grace) that is why they show too much emphasis on there law (sharia law) by this law ,a sinner can condemned a sinner to death which is evil. But through the grace we are given second chance just like the adulterous woman. Go and sin no more 'that's Grace' . Followed this thread https://www.nairaland.com/2173054/what-jesus-meant-fullfiled-law |
Christianity Etc › Re: An Example Of Being Spirit - Filled. by malvisguy212: 1:52pm On Jun 12, 2015 |
crusadistic: Booring!!! exactly, when I was an unbeliever I find it hard to read just one verse in the bible. But by the time the spirit convicted me of my sin, I read the whole of psalm and the four gospel many more still, I was hunger for more. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Which One Is Correct??? by malvisguy212(op): 1:30pm On Jun 12, 2015 |
kingk: @ bolded up, firstly I must say that 'am not ashame to bare the gospel" secondley, pls what did john 14:6 also 6:35 say?.......I so much believe what the bible say in 2timothy 2:15.........with this quotes, we can now answer if a muslem will go heaven or not. When I say muslem, not all those killing and doing all sort of evil because of ignorance but.....I true believer. I am very happy to know you are a christian. You ask about "who Jesus is" what is the purpose of this question in relation on if muslims will be saved? John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. Do muslims believe Jesus is the way to heaven? 6:35 Then Jesus declared, "I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. I know muslims see this as blasphemy. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Which One Is Correct??? by malvisguy212(op): 11:40am On Jun 12, 2015 |
kingk: .pls you havent answer me. who did jesus say he is? are you a christian? Jesus never say directly who he was but he never condemned people for calling him God. Thomas called Jesus "My Lord and my God." Jesus acknowledged it as true, and commended Thomas for perceiving it, saying, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed" (John 20:28-29). Jesus expressly acknowledged that he is God, and said that he expects all believers to recognize that he is God. Jesus told some Jewish leaders, "Before Abraham was, I am" (John 8:58 KJV). This is a statement that Jesus is eternal, and I shall discuss that aspect of it later. But it is much more than that. God had identified himself to Moses as I AM |
Christianity Etc › Re: Which One Is Correct??? by malvisguy212(op): 11:33am On Jun 12, 2015 |
AlfaSeltzer: he has no limits, he can do what he wants allah can do as he pleased? But he is not steady, clot? Water? Dust? The three cannot be right, don't you think? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Lake Of Fire And Hell, What Are The Difference, Or Are They Thesame?? by malvisguy212: 11:29am On Jun 12, 2015 |
MizJanet: Your friend says hell is not fire , so do you agree with him ? hell does not have one meaning, in some biblical passage, when reffering to the grave bible called it hell, "shallow" |
Christianity Etc › Re: Which One Is Correct??? by malvisguy212(op): 11:18am On Jun 12, 2015 |
kingk: . Good, this is your own definition...........but who did jesus say he is?...................sorry for these questions though I want us to draw a point today
Cc: obi4eze john 1 say in the beginning was the word and the word was God. At that time the word is IMMATERIAL But leter on john indicate the "and the word BECAME flesh and dwell among us" This mean the IMMATERIAL word stop being immaterial and became material and dwell among us , that word is Jesus. If you read Luke 4 the bible say God is a spirit, can a spirit dwell in the realm of human without flesh? NO one thing for sure, Jesus did not condemned people when they called him God and he ate with human. But christ is ONE person. Are you a muslims or christian? If you have any issue about the deity of our Lord, open your thread and invite me. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Which One Is Correct??? by malvisguy212(op): 11:05am On Jun 12, 2015 |
AlfaSeltzer: or maybe he used his own blood God is a spirit.the quran were in support of this. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Does Muslims Have Father?? by malvisguy212(op): 11:03am On Jun 12, 2015 |
crusadistic: nonsense so love is by name calling,your father that will cook his children in an oven for eternity. read the op very well when you rest. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Lake Of Fire And Hell, What Are The Difference, Or Are They Thesame?? by malvisguy212: 10:59am On Jun 12, 2015 |
Presidency25: Fire is not casted into another fire rather Hell and its components i.e. its inhabitants, the unbelievers. Hell is the temporary storage for unbelievers, lake of fire is the final destination.
Death refers to the world of the dead or in greek ancient mythology, it is known as the god of the underworld. From there, Revelation 21:4 will be activated as it is written, "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." Until the god of the underworld is cast into the lake of fire, death will continue to abound. good reply my friend, according to Mizjanet anything immaterial got to be explained using a material points of view. Which atom in our brain is logic? When they say "use logic" is logic a thing that we can used? I pity her deception. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Which One Is Correct??? by malvisguy212(op): 10:54am On Jun 12, 2015 |
kingk: good reply, now WHO IS JESUS? Jesus is a man whom the spirit of God himself dwell upon.meaning He has two nature, God and human. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Which One Is Correct??? by malvisguy212(op): 10:35am On Jun 12, 2015 |
kingk: Sorry bro....a question pls. Will a muslem make heaven? Jesus say He is the way and truth NO ONE come to the father except through Him. The muslims claimed they believe in Jesus but satan also believe in Jesus. You must aknowleged him as your Lord and personal saviour. The believers shall not be judge, they will go direct to heaven.but the unbelievers will be judge According to there Work,in first peter chapter 4, peter gave a good example of how difficult sinner can be Spear in the hand of God, he assume the righteous are judge. 1peter 4:17-18. 17 For it is time for judgment to begin with God’s household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God? 18 And, “If it is hard for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?”[ a] 1 |