₦airaland Forum

989900B:
Everything is perfect.

My concern is, when the Atlantic project, Dangote refinery, and other massive projects are completed and the '4th' is completed, you now funnel all that traffic to LA-IB express (2/3 lanes) . . . duh!

I heard a second LA-IB super-highway is part of the Chinese projects that was negotiated, would that be done simultaneously, or before the 4th? It has to, or else we're looking forward to major gridlock at the Lagos exit.

My concern is that Lekki express way has not seen it's volume of traffic yet. Imagine on a working day, the massive crowd coming from Ikorodu will join those on the Ajah Axis all pouring into VI. It is essential to accelerate the rail line on this axis as well

50pseamer:
I believe some of us here dont know how expensive the Lagos state government has made C of O acquisition, it costs above 1 million naira, they take the money from you and hardly provide amenities where you are , to even get the C of O is very difficult. I personally think it is wrong for government to make C of O acquisition so expensive, and difficult, even some people that manage to apply dont get it in 3 years. then you turn back and demolish peoples houses knowing fully well that when they dont have a C of O they get nothing. That is the height of criminality, dont forget that a majority of lagosians cant afford this C of O thing , it is just too expensive, i live abroad, and if i buy a land to even start the process I have to pay 300k as tax even as i dont live in Nigeria, and i will pay the same for the seller aswell plus other charges, i think our goverment habe lost their humanity, and only God will defend the poor in that country. Why should C of O be more that 100,000 Naira since its clear that a majority of Nigerians are poor, what is the Minimum wage in Nigeria? And now he wants to demolish 800 houses, some peoples life savings.

When I got to the underlined, I stopped reading. Those of you in diaspora are fed bunch of lies and give lots of wrong impression. Bros, you have stated a whole lot of falsehood. Getting CofO (now Governor's Consent) in Lagos had been streamlined from the days of Tinubu. If your land in not encumbered or not in dispute, there will be no problem with your Governor's Consent. Secondly there is a guideline on how charges are made. This is determined by the valuation of an area on a per square meter basis. For example, if your property is in Mushin your property could be valued at 2,500 per square meter, while those in Gbagada, Ogudu Ikeja Axis could be charged 3,500. It is on this basis that Governor's Consent is calculated. Official rate in many places hardly get's up to a million.

haywire1:
Baba Tawa,
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Jarus:
I dey fear o. I stay in inner Ajah and it's only the lagoon that separates my house and Ikorodu.

I see Ikorodu from my place. Praying it's not of the houses to go.

Bros,

Do you have CofO or Governors Consent? If not rush and wrap that up

hemartins:
Ambode is working.
Lagos is a Maga city.
4th mainland bridge would ease the traffic along the main land and Island.

Just compensate those that would be affected.

Mugun Citi ni

swimmer:
Really? So wat evidence do u have that saraki Is corrupt?

Stu.pid question. What are those tabled in the CCT called? What are those GT records of transfer called?

OBAGADAFFI:
You probably mistaken local government(Ifelodun) in kwara with local government(Ifelodun) in Osun.

Lets make it easy for you it is called Ikirun.

Done talking to you.

Bros, I maintain that you're a bloody liar. I have been going to Ikirun since the mid 80s

olafotad:
That's one of the simple truth that will ever remain 'childish tantrum' that many idiots will never understand. How can a state develop when we don't trust our artisans ? How can we move forward when we solely depend foreigners to help us ?
The question is quite simple and not far fetched. We want to build a house and we go as far as Lagos to hire contractor, the question is ; are there no contractors in our state ? I know you would reply that they are not competent.
Aregbesola has failed us and there is no way to say otherwise. Although we voted for him, he has failed us !
Civil servants and retirees are dying everyday because of his economic policies.
I have a lot to say but will not leave my work to comment on what everyone knows.

Are there no contractors in Nigeria that we went to give contracts of Federal Roads and Bridges to Julius Berger, CCEC, Arab Contractors and the likes?

Yes let's talk about competence, please name the notable local contractors in Osun state that can do projects of such magnitude? It's simply a matter of logic and choice. Aregbesola was a commissioner in Lagos, he had contractors that worked with him and are proven. He's probably oblivious of those contractors in Osun, if any.......

But what is at the heart of this discussion for me, is that we have a departure from the orientation where critical state infrastructure projects are awarded on compensation grounds to indigens.

Kylexy3000:
We all know the importance of good roads, you made mention of hard decisions and prices....prices to be paid in detriment of people's income... And also i'll like to remember you the factors that attract industries...we have good roads and also among these factors is availability of market.. Who will purchase your goods when there is no income for the mass.??

I think we're getting closer to agreement on few things, but let me clarify some things

1. Unfortunately people will have to pay the price for some of the wrong decisions before Aregbe's government. For example, Oyinlola took a loan to build 3 "world-class stadia" in each senatorial district. Even if he had built it, what would it have done for Osun? But the people did not see anything wrong in it, and could not see that these are contributors to the future current state.

2. When the orientation of my folks at home is to graduate (At school cert, Grade II & I, NCE and BSc)and join the civil service, then we are simply populating an overstretched workforce. The share number of workforce in Osun state local government alone is ridiculous. I have a brother-in-law, a young lad that finished his master in Engineering in UI, yet went to join the Local government. His wife a medical doctor also works for the state. These are young lads that I believe are "wasting" away, when they can bury their head in the sand and "hustle" in more challenging terrain. When Baba Akande was governor and looked at his monthly allocation which could hardly support the work-force, he started a prunning exercise, which was based on certain criteria (For example teachers of Maths, English, Science, Commercial subjects were retained and those of Yoruba, CRK risked being laid off) they called for his head, abused him that he was just a chartered accountant, butdid not have a degree....... fast forward todate, and may be you can draw a nexus between the WAEC performance of Osun students today and the share number of teachers we have.....

3. With regards to industry, first off, the volumes will definitely not be bought in Osun alone, definitely bulk of it will be locally exported to mass market states. There are various value offering to industrialisation. What Osun has currently are these; (a) Vast Arable Land (b) Access via land and Rail (c) Availability of relatively cheap labour (d) Enabling environment (e) Close Proximity to mass markets (Lagos, Ogun and Oyo on the wester flank & Kwara-Niger on the northern flank). Imagine 4 mega factories of an average of 2-3 thousand workforce per factory, where people know they can earn per the volume of work, do you think people will not ditch their useless civil service jobs at the prospect of earning way much more?

Kylexy3000:
can you gladly tell me what osun depend on??

I think the start should be that you need to reassess the erroneous assumption that the economy of Osun state depends on salaries of civil servants. I will wonder how you came about that. But better still If you stay on that position, don't you think it's high time we moved away from this dependent and risky position to a commerce based economy in Osun state? With all the vast arable lands in Osun, the share number of human capital in farmers, artisans, various skilled workers, bulk traders and retailers, should this not be the stimulant to an economy rather than salaries?

You should then understand the nexus between Aregbe's project in schools, roads and agric

OBAGADAFFI:
Quit making noise.

Show us the true state of IFELODUN local government.

Most Osun guys are hiding in Lagos, just like Aregebe was hiding in Lagos before going to Osun.

They only remember Osun when is come to politics

But you said "A whole local government(Ifelodun) in Osun don't have access to electricity and water for years.", the burden of proof is upon you to substantiate this........ needless I tell you that even people that are not from Osun can run a google search on Ifelodun local government as disprove this your stu.pid lies

olafotad:
The mad man has bn syphoning Osun to Lagos thru Lagos contractors leaving the state with almost nothing to live on

Quit your childish tantrum. Is "Lagos contractors" an issue or job delivery. Which "Lagos contractor" do you have issue with the job given and was not done. I just to understand when some statement that don't make sense are put forward as argument. Where are the "Osun Contractors"?

OBAGADAFFI:
Are you still living on propaganda.

Even Ekiti with the mad man Fayose is better then Aregbe.

A whole local government(Ifelodun) in Osun don't have access to electricity and water for years.

Tell me any Ekiti local government with such issues.

Some of you guys often visit these states .

You're feed with propaganda behind your Tele in Lagos and Abuja.

I don't know how I can engage in discuss with you at the risk of not getting anything credible. Bros, I am from Osun state. Your statement that "A whole local government(Ifelodun) in Osun don't have access to electricity and water for years" is nothing but a blatant lie. You don't even tell that to someone whose local government is next door neighbour to Ifelodun

Kylexy3000:
You got it all wrong...i didnt remember mentioning all in what i wrote tho ...and moreover if the so called infrastructure is done..who are you constructing it for??who are the dominating people in osun state?? Let me answer that for you. THE CIVIL SERVANT...

Civil Servant state! Same famed illogic that had not allowed Osun to grow. When are you people going to see that states like Osun and Ekiti in the SW runs a risk of not developing economically if we continue in the old ways. Hard decisions has to be made and prices had to be paid.

My surprised with your line of thinking is that you do not know that is roads are constructed, good moves and moves faster and the cycle time of creating/adding value is increased - Farmers can increase their planting and harvesting knowing fully well that there will be transportation to move farm produce to markets; Shops/Markets/Malls spring up, Manufacturers can better come in as total cost of land acquisition is relatively lower in Osun and roads to support movement of their goods, Schools will be built and student can further study, Entertainment industry benefit as halls, will be spring up, Artisans apart from participating in projects can also count on benefiting from good roads as there will be quicker access to them and they can provide ancillary services faster.......... The Gbogan-Osogbo road on completion open a whole length of opportunities in that axis for industries to take up....These is the reality contending with the jaundiced view and myopia of "Civil Servants" states.

Kylexy3000:
we all know how these things go, its just like giving all equipment and machines to farmers with nothing to plant..it futile,its fruitless...osun's economy depend on these salaries..

Osun's economy depend on salaries........ LWKMD

chukwudi44:
What sort of dumb report is this? Is Carlisle Properties Investment same as Saraki? So the company should cease operations because one of its directors became a senator or Governor?

Anyway I am still waiting to see the imaginary documents that were not destroyed by fire before I comment further

You're sounding dumber in trying to condemn a supposedly "dumb" report. The law says that immediately Saraki became a governor, he should resign/severe his appointment/interest with any company......even Obi, Obaino et al. did same.

So why would Saraki be moving money into Carlisle and Carlisle moving money into same overseas

swimmer:
I ll advise caution by tinubu and his ilks else papers sef go expose how dem take finance buhari election

If you have any evidence to this, provide it to the appropriate authorities

olafotad:
mtcheeW radarada iranu abacha ranran ! fire dey burn u dey make drainage ! The guy is embezzling the state's fund by awarding contracts to his people !

...and I wonder who he should award contracts to, your people?

Kylexy3000:
its not about what he does but how important what he does is?? There is scale of preference...forgo construction of roads for now and pay some salaries..

This statement of yours get as he be o! should I say ignorant or stupid? How can you ask a government to forgo infrastructure projects and use all monies to pay salaries. You do not get it. Do you understand that there is a nexus between road construction and upsurge in commerce within that location?

OBAGADAFFI:
Don't ever compare Ogun with Osun.

Even Ekiti is better than Osun.

I hope it's not part of the little change Aregbe is collecting from the FG, you're also collecting to post on NL

Bros,

Please avoid statement that risk portraying one as senile

zenith4biz:
Amimat508 special adviser to the Governor on publicity.

So?

Pwayne2016:
Bible even warned us against APC
but d problem is that we don't
read the bible
Can someone open to proverbs
chap.24 vs 21 and 22. And it
says:
My son fear the lord,and fear the
king as well;and meddle not with
those that say "CHANGE"
For their calamity shall rise
quickly;and who knows the ruin of
them both?
I think,the problem we have in
nigeria today is a punishment for
our ignorance of d bible
Remember,latin adage says
"ignoratium non legis excusa" -
ignorance of d law is no excuse

You're just simply unintelligent. You quote the bible out of context and wrongly. The bible talks about people "given to change" and not those that say change.

If you care to know, these are people that calls for a departure from the religion of the God of Israel to other forms of religion.

I'm not suprised by your twisted use of the scripture , even the DEVIL does same, he tried to trick Jesus with Psalm 91:12

Jorussia:
I thought Aregbe diverted the bailout funds for his personal gains. Even though i am strong APC,i don't just like Aregbe.My state Edo state is not owing any month salary. It is one LGA(Egor)that is owing about 14months salaries here in Edo state.

You do nit need to like him, but you must prove accussation. Do you have a proof that he diverted the bailout funds for his personal gains?

dumo1:
God really blessed you with a wonderful wife. Be thankful for it everyday. You rarely get such women nowadays.

My mum calls her the "ark of the covenant"

randomspy:
Thats still what we are saying. The perspective with which you're talking from is based on how financially capable you are. You cant buy a land with N100 anywhere. Financial capability is key.

While I agree, I think it has more to do with the will, if not, you'll chicken out when the going gets tough. You get broke and in debt sometimes and it may be frustrating

blackprowler:
My dear, I was not expecting every Tom Dick and Harry in Nigeria to agree with me. If they did I will be wrong; don't you get it? It is what you people think is right that you're doing that is called your VALUES and that's killing Nigeria. I'm the observer watching the fishpond of Nigerian society. I don't expect the fishes inside to understand what I'm seeing

That will be if from where you stand (country) you demonstrated you've shown capacity for what is better

babyfaceafrica:
remove school fees from your list,education is priceless...you don't group it with those things there

Bros,

Trust me, people put their kids in schools they CANNOT afford. You've not seen ridiculous reasons why people put their children in particular schools, someone once told my wife they opted to put their kids at Day Waterman College (4m/yr), because of "connections"

blackprowler:
My friend, Nigerian values are killing Nigerians. I used to work in a place which could not be accessed by public transport and owning a car was quite important due to the shift nature of the job also. Yet, one colleague who was earning much more than us due to having being in the job for longer was still trekking the 20+ minutes to the factory from last bus stop because HE WAS BUILDING A HOUSE and expected we small boys who used cars to stop by and pick him up. In his eyes and those on his level, he is wise. At your maternity ward when you are born, the Nigerian society has already drawn up a long list of all the items you must acquire and all the things you must do or else they brand you a failure and sanction you. There is no place for individual evolution of the meaning of life; it is all about materialism and you're encouraged to do whatever it takes to tick each of the boxes as you carry on in life here. Are you still wondering why this country is so badly governed and people are so cruel and self-centered, trying to amass all for self? I have said repeatedly that the problem with Nigeria is the Nigerian people themselves and how they define their society. It is not about poilticians as those politicians are also one of us trying to do what the others are doing in their own space too. It's a tragedy, this country

Bros,

I don't share your sentiment a bit. That guy was simply in his period of sacrifice. You have the prerogative of not offering him a ride but it does not stop him from doing his thing. I just don't get your use of the guy as excuse for your preference not to pursue tangible goals

pedrilo:

Acidosis: Acidosis:
Building in Nigeria is overrated.


It is economically cheaper to rent a house in Nigeria.

The money you spend renting an apartment for 50 years in some areas in Lagos cannot buy a plot of land.

E.g. A 2 bedroom apartment cost N200,000 yearly.

Multiply N200,000 by 50 years
That gives us just N10,000,000.

In Akute, Ogun state, one could get a 2 bedroom apartment at N200,000 - N300,000 annually.

In the same Akute, a plot of land sells for an average of N10,000,000!

What sense does it make to build just because you want to become a Landlord?

Many Landlords who put their houses on rent do not recover their expenses until after about 50 years. Build when you have the means, and ready to settle down as a made man. Building has never helped anyone, except those who deal on real estate.

which kind rubbish talk be dis? in ur attempt to sound intelligent, u ended up revealing so much ignorance. . . tell me where in the world house rent will remain static or constant for 50 years! #olodo

Is that the only thing you see?;

1. He does not understand the meaning of NETWORTH
2. He thinks the both the cost of rent and property will remain constant for 50years
3. He does not even see that while the rent payer keep paying, the landlord keeps receiving
4. He does not factor other intangibles (security, leverage)

Olodo? obviously

Dottore:
Whenever you are tired of paying for house rent

Classic answer

MrMcJay:
This line of thought is what a lot of people are ignorant of.

I'll prefer to live in a flat on the Island than to own a Duplex in a place like Ikorodu. FYI, the road between Bourdillon road and Gerrard Road both in Ikoyi is 2 lanes on each side. The road between Ketu to Ikorodu is also 2 lanes on each side, This is irrespective of the fact that the population in Ikorodu is about 1000 times the number of those in Ikoyi. If you seek affordable options, there are many estates after Ajah on the way to the new Lekki FTZ where the government is building 12-lane highways.

People don't understand that it's not only about building a house, the environment matters. There is no point hurrying to build in a slum when you can wait, save, strategize and make proper real estate investments. It's not how far but how well.

I disagree slightly with this your position. Why? If you're talking to people who are matured enough, have good income or have well paying jobs with option of mortgage loan facilities etc then it suffices. But if you're talking withing the context of this topic, especially a generalised premise it came with, then it may not necessarily be true.

Pray tell, what is the stats on the number of people that will end up being able to afford accomodation in Lekki and Ikoyi? Who tells you successful people don't live in those places that you denigrate? I think the perception of the premium places is personal. If you want you and your kids to live/grow up in a certain environment, go to certain schools, mix with certain kinds of people and much more you think of placing a premium on your property (value and rental income), then you can do that (FYI, that is what I did) but that doesn't make it a standard for all people.........

PS: This position of yours could also be misguided at times, as I see many of today's youth struggle to keep up because they rented a house in exotic locations.

onotukabiru:

MRBrownJ: :
owning a home should ONLY be a priority if A) this is what you desire for your life or B) you have the MEANS to afford the house you DESIRE, where you desire it.

so many clueless people buy cheap homes in RUBBISH area, just because they want to own a house... and in turn, they are miserable as soon as they set foot in. if buying a home isnt beneficial to you 110%, then you shouldnt dream of buying it.

I agree and disagree at the same time, yes i agree some people buy homes in what u regard rubbish areas, but also keep in mind that someone who buy's a house in a rubbish area for N5m, that house value would probably double few years from the time of purchase, owning a house is not just for having somewhere to stay, most times its an investment. He can sell the house and use the money to buy a house in what you might consider a correct area in the future.

The thing I find absolutely wrong with MRBrownJ's comment is that he's pushing his orientation as a proven precedent. People have the right to aspire to own a home, regardless of where they choose and where they can afford. My concern is that going by the way MRBrownJ is thinking, time may pass one by and what will be the use of living in Lekki for the first time when you're now in your 50s and all your children are either married or about to be married.

Secondly, I believe the right to own a home is inferred from one of the fundamental human right (Shelter). Govts are also charged to make sure citizens own homes in their life time.

But I think more importantly, people don't set their priorities right. They opt for what is fun and easy (Jewelries, Luxury Cars, Expensive travels, School fees they struggle to keep up with, Rents they struggle to keep up with and dressings whose cost is equivalent to the cost of a bungalow)