₦airaland Forum

omobaekiti:
It is so disheartening to see or read this kinda things on a forum like NL,the OP is mischievous are you talking about the same interview I watched this morning?haba half of what you wrote there are not what she said you are a very big fat liar.

I had to get the video on Channels on Youtube and was shocked at the blatant lie of folks here. I dare ask, are the NLers simply bereft of rational thinking, is it that folk are brain dead or they are just stu.pidly disingenous. How can you watch the ministers session on Sunrise and say she didn't handle it well. The IB has passed his buffoonery to many wailers on NL

Secondly you don't need to blame her for not having figures off-hand like a Fashola, everybody is not gifted the same. What I think is honourable is that she was sincere in owning up that she will need to verify. That was one of the tenents we learnt in communication, facilitation and public speaking

adconline:
Refer to my last post. It's already been answered! Abu Dhabi paid and built the hospital- Cleveland Clinic is a hospital and doesn't manufacure hospital equipment, who is going to pay for those?
Cornell Univetsity has the same partnership with Quatar and it was paid for the Quataris, but in Naija we hope for a miracle- a.k.a scam!!

....and you arrived at this position how?

You have not said anything different, you're just throwing names of medical institutions........you do not have details of the contract in focus

olalekan1:
To me its a good initiative but why siting the park in Ikoyi, why not Oshodi, Ketu, Abule Egba, Agege. Its high time we know that such developmental project usually add to the development of the host community, you can imagine if National Stadium is in Agege or Abule Egba.

1. This is not a general hospital, but a PPP with government. In other words it's a commercial business venture.
2. The truth is, this medical park may likely not be cheap
3. How many in Ketu or Oshodi will be able to afford to patronise the hospital. Note that stakeholders will need to re coupe their investments and be profitable.....

Cocoyamu:
Whaaat??
A whole 49 billion for Medical park only..

Hmmn, Tinubu... sorry i mean Ambo una don start abi?
Soon you will start claiming uou too donr sign cheque like one man.... Ok kontunu

With this statement of your, I can deduce that you must have been in the rock-bottom zone in performance while you were in school

sainty2k3:

adconline: Sounds like another scam is cooking like ENRON and Tinubu?? There is no public statement from Cleveland Clinic-one of the best hospitals in world acknowledging this partnership.. This is like Harvard or Apple of medicine joining a partnership with a govt agency -without monetizing their brand and intellectual equity?? And LASG is only putting land??
Cleveland Clinic in Abu Dhabi is joint partnership between their govt and UAE.

seems you were there when Dubai partnership deal was made, tell us what more the government provided apart from land, buildings and enabling environment. were they also funding the treatment or what exactly do u expect. Don't just criticize anyhow,just because you must do so

@sainty2k3,

You know, some people sound silly when they try to sound like they are in the know, but only give themselves away as having too much in a rush, not reading details well. The guy tries to question a business deal and used a single and isolated case as comparison.......you should know that some people are limited in exposure yet arrogant about little they've been exposed to

ba7man:

ideology: :
When they want to steal, they embark on white elephant projects.

The ones fashola built are already decaying … poor maintenance even with private sector.

Which ones are decaying? Mention them.

You guys just talk sentimental trash for no reason.

@ba7man,

you dey mind village bush rat?

longayink:
Like you, like your Bubu of Daura who is surrounded with ministers who used tax-payers money from their states' coffers to campaign and catapult your Bubu Buhari to the presidency. Are you not blind if you did not observe that if PDP had done do-or-die election and won re-election, and not PDP conceding the presidency to your Bubu of Daura, there is no way money spent on election campaigns by PDP can now be termed stolen money?

By the way, Udenwa didn't go to steal the money. The money might have been brought to him by the PDP officials for political campaign.

GAWD!!! How do I condescend to your low level reasoning.......Is it that you're simply confused or irrational? You do not take tax payers money to conduct campaign, nor elections. If PDP had done this..If PDP had done that......are just bullshit wailing from frustrated souls. Fact is that the money was linked from established investigation of Dasuki........No matter how you spin it, whoever misuses money in the state coffers and it is established that he did so, deserves to be jailed

Yorubanews:
He's good where he's at. Other Nigerians should make an attempt to learn Yoruba. English Nollywood is crap, we don't want them influencing our Oga at the top.

Yoruba producers need to get better technical writers for their subtitles sha.

That part is even more comical than the film itself

me1234:
what i will caution APC of is to be mindful of the fact that power is transient we have seen in this country were the hunter became hunted. not to long ago major Mustapha was untouchable suddenly the power tuned against him. i will advise Bahari and his government to be mindful of the fact that power belongs to God. Buhari might do everything within his power to discredit and nail formal president Jonathan but the hunter might just become the hunted. a word is enough for the wise.

.....while too many incoherent words are the hallmark of the foolish.

Bros, What matters is that all thieves be brought to justice

victorels:
The international organizations knows quite well that Jonathan is not corrupt. That his cabinet members are corrupt does not mean he is corrupt.

that is why they term him the Ineffectual Buffoon. Going by your position, it validates his buffoonery as How do you raitionalise putting together a cabinet of mostly corrupt members and paint a picture of being clean?

longayink:
Money doled out for politicians to engage in political campaign by PDP has now become stolen money for Bubu and his EFCC; all these witch hunt because PDP conceded power to Buhari and his APC?

Meanwhile, those state governors who emptied their state treasuries for campaign for Buhari serve as ministers under Buhari administration.

Does Buhari even believe that one day he shall be out of office?

Is it that you're sincerely stewpid or something is wrong with your faculty? How can tax payers money in state coffers be meant to be dolled out for politicians to engage in campaign by PDP

hedonistic:
Money was paid to Achike Udenwa by Nenadi Usman in her private capacity. Where Nenadi got the funds she paid to Achike Udenwa is irrelevant, because ONLY Nenadi is answerable for that. How the hell is Udenwa culpable? Was he in public office and abused his position? His case is very similar to that of Uche Secondus.

This EFCC's new style is a mirror of the Daura dictator's personal ethos. It's a big joke really. Which reasonable court would convict Udenwa? Based on what charges, really? Is this how to "fight" corruption?

Bros,

Simple logic, someone brought stolen items to your house, I guess you will welcome and take the items, because according to your "unique logic", the thief gave you the items in his "private capacity"..........

You're simply sincerely moronic

Rolings:

OLADD: :


You're a small boy. This was how Buhari's shameful ouster started gradually in 1985 . Complaints came from right, left and centre about his selective ,vindictive and persecutory rule but he turned deaf ears just a similitude of what's happening now. No wonder he was disgraced out of office in one of the cheapest palace coups in human history. For your information, Buhari was removed like a mere chicken in 1985 even when he was in his youthful 40s I pray he continues in the same manner. His eyes will soon clear.

Old man how old were you in 1984? You know nothing. Corruption fights back whenever you fight it ,if your fathers had allowed buhari clean the system then you will be living a better and more dignified life now than the miserable sorry life you live now

....besides it shows that OLADD was not born in 84/85, because he has painted a total false picture of what transpired. Much more how can you disgrace someone out of office with a coup? IBB that took over worsened Nigeria's state as he notably legalised corruption that Buhari was already cleaning out then

saxby:
Old Advert
TBS, Race Course
Federal Palace Hotel
Igbosere

The picture of TBS/Race course here is not old, I see my church in that picture. My church was completed in 1998......

Teebillz has released a statement that his account was hacked....

http://thenationonlineng.net/alleged-break-account-hacked-tee-billz/

A Senior gave a talk in church, one striking thing I picked is that menfolk have a lot of responsibilites in our hands. We have so absconded on our responsibilities on raising our male children. Since we have left our responsibilities to women, we end up raising "boys" and not "men" .....

This guy has blundered everything..........

He should just check out of the country and ........

tsdarkside:
if you didnt build all your plants too far away from the gas sources,the problem would not be sooo bad....

Kaduna Refinery our largest capacity is another classic case. The refinery is so far away from the source of Crude that the cost of building pipeline to the refinery from Escravos, Forcadoes et al, is about the same with the cost of building the refinery.

50pseamer:
Would be nice if you could link me up , so i can clarify the issue, i will send you and email and you can senf me the contact through it.

Done

luvinhubby:
Good one.

They were the reason for GEJ's loss at the elections, diverting what they should use for the party to personal use.

with this statment of your, you also deserve to be arrested. Monies from the treasury to be used for a political party Anyways, the PDP outspent APC 3 to 1 on all front yet lost.......

MAROC:
Colourful!

This room is filled with so much beef!

Osinbajo vs Saraki
Buhari vs Saraki
Anybody vs whoever...

maj007:
It's a pity Foluke responded to those 5illy small girls. She should have reviewed their profiles and pics properly.

They are small girls that are probably still jobless and know nothing about womanhood.

One of them did NYSC in 2014. Just imagine... See pic

With the way the were using sexual expletives, I think the one in the picture is simply a Hot-beer drinking-cork searching ..........

I tot same. Beside it made those two girls unworthy of what they proclaim. I simply saw two vain, idi.otic women

brownsug:
Well using foul words only pictured hatred and jealousy and not opinion afterall

olafotad:
Take it or leave it.... Lagos contractors are not from heaven. And I am still on the point that we can do even better ! I have seen situations where Lagos contractors hire those ones here to execute project for them.
Furthermore, I believe that you should have more idea about how money get to people through the government and vice versa. Artisans cannot live alone with having people to buy their products and about 70 of Osun workers are government workers. so tell me how they will have sales when salaries are not been paid . This is what we see everyday. I live in Osun and I see this myself.
It was bad to the level of transporting sand from Lagos to Osun for building schools. Are there no sand in Osun or is it that those ones here are so bad ?
All I can say is that you probably are not living in Osun or you are so ignorant of how governance should be .

1. I do not distinguish who is "Lagos contractor" or "Osun Contractor" you did. What I do know is that contractors are short-listed and those with proven records get the jobs. For example the Airport project was given to the Airforce Engineering unit, which to me is a demonstration of awarding sensitive project to those that are proven.

2. Argument of "Lagos contractors are not from heaven" am afraid, sounds, like inferiority complex issue. If you're looking at what contractors does a project as a yardstick of goverment performance, then I am afraid, the likes of you are living in denial

3. The view that government needs to pass money to the people through salaries, as a priviso to stimulate the economy is limited. Don't get me wrong, Salaries are wages, and it is the responsibility of the employer (government) to pay the employed(workers). But we in Osun needs to move beyond this mentality. Economy is stimulated by government facilitating enabling environment for business growth, so that in the long run, government can increase their IGR. Don't you know that if Osun has IGR in the region of 6-7billion a month, it will be less dependent on the federal government? When Obasanjo withheld Lagos State allocation for almost 2years, Lagos State government was not only able to move on, salaries were never delayed. The reason is that when Tinubu was government, he went on an aggressive drive to increase commerce which had a multiplier effect on internal revenue generation.

4. So when I got to the bolded above, I cannot but laff

50pseamer:
my Friend , I am not as ignorant as you think, the component of the cost that is dependent on the location of the land varies, but the tax stuff is a major component of the total cost, if the seller does not have 3 years tax clearance, and the buyer does not have too you are talking of almost six hundred thousand already, if you say i must pay tax on my property i agree, but why should i pay a flat rate for income tax when i am not deriving any benefit from government and also pay my tax already abroad where i live. another issue is the building permit , it also costs alot of money, i heard the governor was threatning criminal proceeding against people whoever violates the law, a more reasonable aproach will be to make c of o , Governors consent and so on easier and very cheap first before looking for criminals, government should not victimise and ,milk its citizens dry on housing or discourage poor people from building.
the difference in the cost of Governors consent and C of O is not much it is also approaching 1 million and over in some cases. and without this consent u are not supposed to build on a land youve bought. It is all a fraud and very soon Nigerians will get wiser and they will understand. i dont know which country punishes the poor like Nigeria, and Lagos is laying a very bad foundation when it comes to land and property administration. The Land use charge is normal and can be collected, but people should be encouraged to build because in saner climes , if you dont have a Job it is your government's responsibility to build and accomodate you, or pay a Landlord to accomodate you. people are doing Government's work for them. while our leaders spend the money on luxury driving heavy cars and living large.

Bros,

Thanks for the clarification.

I think the issue with your situation is unfortunate. Why do I say so. The first problem is that you bought your land from a non-tax paying citizen (I had initially thought you implied it was a flat tax). It is unfortunate in that, at the point of registration, the government will require the tax clearance/card/details from both the seller and the buyer. This is applied to make sure that citizens fulfil their civic duties. The problem is that most citizens in Lagos don't pay tax. Unfortunately I think there is an option of a penalty, which people opt to pay to avoid delay of the processing, hence the situation in your case (I will imagine). It is not compulsory. If you have known ahead and can insist, you could have ascertained if your seller had tax card or clearance, if not net, out the difference depending on how the negotiation swings.

Also, I think you should see someone in Ministry of Lands (I could refer you) wrt the fact that you don't live in the country and as such do not have tax card. I imagine the person helping you with the process chose the 300k option (which may likely be the penalty of non-compliance with tax payment) to speed up the process.

Other things you expressed here are personal perspectives. That the charges are exorbitant are relative, the point is that these are statutory and backed by law. That they may still be cumbersome is an argument I agree with. I believe there should be a one-stop desk for processing all these, from Consent to Building permit approval.

omonnakoda:
Naff off Oponu

Problem is idi.ots like you are simply just calling for attention. Akindindinrin!!!!!

omonnakoda:
Contest? What are you talking about? I am totally bewildered I am pointing out misrepresentations by YOU
No one is begging to talk to you so you can Naff off to a place of no return. I am putting the record straight for the public

Please point out where he mentioned PROPERTY TAX because I did not see that ANYWHERE

The fact is before you get Governor's consent in Lagos state you must pay personal income tax whether you live in Lagos State or NOT!! That was my reading of his gripe

Then quietly leave my mention.......

dearpreye:
Focus on the Senator representing YOU. He must not take emoluments for nothing.

I wish the same could be told to BMB when he opted to donate his allowances to feed civil servants in Osun, while his home state was owing salaries for months longer than Osun

omonnakoda:
The starting point of any discussion is intellectual honesty not trying to "win" a non existent argument at all costs
1. Governor's consent is not the same as C of O . YES or NO do not obfuscate
Why not just admit you were wrong and made a mistake. I guess hell will freeze first
2. To get Governor's consent you must be assessed as a tax payer and PAY TAX whether or not you live in Lagos or even Nigeria. TRUE or FALSE
The tax in issue is NOT property tax so please do not mix things up. It is personal income tax.
Property tax in Lagos state is called Land use tax set at 0.03% of value . It has nothing to do with Land purchase
Those are the points that need addressing with simple binary Y or N answers and not this Phd Thesis you are offering

Bros,

First off, I need not talk to you if you give me this repulsive attitude. I have told you my drift is to point out misrepresentations I saw in his write up, if you don't get that, then so be it.

Secondly what "intellectual" contest are you interested in. That there is a difference between C of O and Governor's consent....is your correction to me. So what's the big deal? I did not answer that bit because it wasn't the thrust of my earlier submission. But pray tell, what is this your resort to a seeming intellectual contest? The points I laid, was it to challenge intellect or fact-based

The guy alluded that he's expected to pay a flat tax for property purchase both to the government and to the buy, that is what I challenged. Your resort to quoting things (modalities of property taxes and stuffs) that are already in public is unnecessary.

But better still, educate me or clarify his position.......

omonnakoda:
Cof O is not the same thing as governor's consent.They are entirely different documents ,process,duration and cost. Also the point he raised about living abroad is very important i.e that he will still have to PAY TAX even though he lives elsewhere and PAYS TAX THERE ALREADY. It seems like you just want to sound off without listening or understanding his perspective

Nope, I see a lot of misrepresentations in his statements. Check,

1.it costs above 1 million naira...... - You can't just generalise. If he's talking about Lekki or other prime areas, maybe. If he's taking about Gbagada, Anthony, Ogudu, then hell no! That is false.

2....even some people that manage to apply dont get it in 3 years. Mine cycle out in 4-5months. Lagos State states that the official cycle time is 90days. This has been in operation for over 15years.

3. if i buy a land to even start the process I have to pay 300k as tax even as i dont live in Nigeria, and i will pay the same for the seller aswell plus other charges...Do you really believe this statement? What land do you buy in Lagos that requires flat taxation to both government and seller?

Meanwhile, if you read my reply to him very well, you should have seen through what I was trying to tell him, but obviously since I need to "spell" it, now this is - That the guy lives abroad, and he's been given a totally incorrect picture of how thing works.

Also that he lives abroad and pays tax abroad is irrelevant. Nigerians who own properties in the US and lives in Nigeria do pay taxes on those properties. In Lagos State land Use Charge is statutory and backed by law. Will he have a property and in use and not pay tax because he lives abroad?

swimmer:
Stuppid comment.

It's called allegations. Same as those against tinubu.

Bros,

It seems you're either patently ignorant or deliberately lacking in knowledge.......as much as you want to knock your head against the wall on Tinubu, you're making things worse with your unintelligent conversations

olafotad:
That is where I disagree with you ! we have more competent contractors in Osun. Getting contractor from Lagos is a way of syphoning Osun money to Lagos through his allies whom you said he had worked with while he was the commissioner of work in Lagos state.
Picture this : people are paying taxes, allocation is coming for the central government but none of this funds is staying in the state. The consequence of this would be economy downturn as we have in the present day in Osun. Furthermore, civil servants whose salaries should be a link by which people (who might not be civil servants) derive economic benefits are not been paid promptly/fully.

1. I do not doubt if we have contractors in Osun (my cousin "was" a government contractor under Oyinlola), What I doubt is if we have contractors of the expected magnitude to execute the projects at the levels set by the government. How is getting contractors tantamount to siphoning money to Lagos? You people just regurgitate some illogic reasoning. I still state that the important thing is getting the job done very well and not a choice between Osun-based or Lagos-based contractors.

2. Allocation of funds and taxes are not leaving Osun. First off Osun's State allocation is of no consequence to the economy of Lagos, if we go by your assumptions. Lagos Island and Alimosho Locals Govt could dwarf the whole of Osun in IGR and worker head count. Secondly,, you will need to also review orientation wrt contractors, are you looking at contracts as one of the ways of sharing national cake or infrastructure development with a potential of boosting commerce. Osun state if not careful will simply be a consumer/rent collecting state.

3. The bold as emotional as it is, is also perception going south developmental wise. The other players in the states are not supposed to depend on civil servant's salaries. They do make money and can hazard a guess that some make more than the civil servants

opalu:
Good. Citizens must learn how to drag government to court. However this case might be academic

It is not only academic, it is stu.pid. Watch the court throw it out like trash