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Blue3k:
Anyway I see them going to supreme court to fight this futher. If anyone still cares they should use FOI to find out funny business going on in state like Paris club refunds.

Hey mapet update to story.

Thanks Bro. for calling my attention to this.

My tots are

1. It will do our polity, economy and collective sense of probity and equity a world of good if we allow the FOI act to come to live. Simply speaking, we cannot continue to treat public "assets" as private and exclusive preserve of few, even if they are doing good.
2. Unfortunately, the proponents and drafters of the act left loop holes, leaving the courts to interprete. Look at sections 1 - 3

Enacted by the National Assembly of the Federal Republic of Nigeria
1. (1) Notwithstanding anything contained in any other Act, law or regulation, the right of any person to access or
request information, whether or not contained in any written form, which is in the custody or possession of any
public official, agency or institution howsoever described, is established.
(2) An applicant under this Act needs not demonstrate any specific interest in the information being applied for.
(3) Any person entitled to the right to information under this Act, shall have the right to institute proceedings in
the Court to compel any public institution to comply with the provisions of this Act.

How and why they did not see that "public official", "agency" or "institution" will be deemed non-specific is complex in itself. I must confess, I would not have seen it either.

3. Yes it would go to supreme courts. I stand on the side of FOI, [even though I see some downsides], I was indifferent in the past. Hope it comes to effect in tis fuillness
4. Let us remember that FOI bill was sponsored by Abike Babiri-Erewa. Her name should be engraved in the annals of Probity and Transparency (if such ever exists)

fuckpro:
... Meaning?

You don't get?......................

I can now understand where you problem is coming from.........................

deomelllo:
3. Duke had a vision, be lacking the will, strength and wisdom to defend his project and vision.


4. Duke did not sort out the regulatory framework of the project, he did not dot the I's and cross the T's. it's like buying a car, buying a plane ticket to travel out before securing the necessary permits and VISA

He was the architect of his own failure. I like the man and respect his vision, but he sabotaged his own dream even before construction.

6. Tinapa failed because Duke did not do his homework because he did not fight for his dream, because his party, political friends frop the PDP presidents to ministers and so on stood by while his Tinapa dream vaporized.

This Bro, is deep and calls for reflection

Odingo1:
All this Yoruba boys should stop jumping up and down here for lagos. Lagos was built just like Abuja with federal resources, the subsequent governors are just building on already built state by FG.

Every other state can look like Lagos and Abuja if they are built with collective wealth.

Why is it that other states in SW like Ogun, Oyo, Osun, Ekiti and Ondo are not anything near lagos in development and their governors are not doing the magic to turn it around , Lagos is already built with collective wealth.

Hallmark of a village rat....

fuckpro:
...'we have no control of the regulatory environment that could make Tinapa viable' what does that mean
Tinapa was meant to be a hub for goods otherwise purchase from places like Dubai
but the Yoruba/Hausa control custom would have none of it...so please spare me this over hype Lagos facade
Go meet your elders and ask them the implications of developing other seaports
...why is it a do or die affair

1. Yorubas
2. Yoruba/Hausa

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6. Urobos
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4998. Witches and Wizards
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Lagos State Waterways Authority Head Office and Multi-Storey Car Park, Falomo, Ikoyi – Lagos

Bros,

Please go back and take the pictures. The building is recently completed and painting is about rounding up as at yesterday when I passed Falomo Bridge

Njeps:

deomelllo: :
Lagos is rapidly changing and moving ahead of Nigeria.


Jakande laid down the dream and the wisdom

Tinubu formulated the masterplan

Fashola revolutionalized and actualized the masterplan

Ambode is taking the revolutionized and actualized masterplan to the next level with his own elements

The pressure is already on the next governor after Ambode to fit into the big shoes of the well accomplished Lagos State governors before him.

Eko o ni baje is not just a slogan, it's a way of life, culture, awareness, sense of pride and duty. This is why leadership in Lagos is so different and better than the rest of Nigeria. The Lagos ethos is just not available outside Lagos

Despite all the TERMINALS and New Modern Bustops and bla blah bla, people still dey plenty for bustop every morning and evenings in the name of going to work or returning from work.
So who the construction epp?

Baba, abeg build hospitals, bore hole water and repair the roads. Not bulding bustops upandan with our taxes.

Honestly I feel saddened when I see the quality of "contributions" like yours

deomelllo:


In Rivers state, Amaechi's Metro Rail is dead and won't be completed by Wike, his successor because of Wike's personal insecurity and inferiority complex, silliness, pettiness, poor judgment and lack of sense of duty to his own state and his people.


Regardless how you feel or the animosity against your predecessor, your state, and your people comes first. The Metro Rail was a state investment that must be completed to serve the people even if there are concerns about the project, it was conceived, financed and carried out, the state is still on the hook for loan payments and facilities incurred by the project so where is the sense and wisdom in servicing loans and interest on the same project you killed and vowed never to complete?

Who are the losers? The people of Rivers state.

Wike sold the foolish people in Rivers an unintelligent narrative on this rail project and they gobbled it up. They do not realise they have "slowed down their future". For many, they will not live to see an "integrated-modern-mass-transit" (no be curse). Ogun, Oyo, Kaduna, Kano, Akwa-Ibom will most likely beat Rivers to it at this rate.

I wonder why we let pettiness and unnecessary hatred strip us of our common-wealth and collective aspirations

AZeD1:

fuckpro: :
...STORY STORY STORRYY!!!
...decentralize the sea ports and relocate the headquarters of oil coy and lets see if others won't catch up and overtake

Sea ports are decentralized and the Oil companies chose Lagos for their head office, Lagos didn't force them here. By the way the Head Office of Shell is in Port Harcourt, Onne port that handles all oil cargoes is also in Rivers....

Haba! Bros,

Why are you helping him out of self delusion

mmsen:
I'm sure that Victoria has issues that other, more modern hubs do not have.

Besides that, Lagos and London are very different places with different needs.

Drawing inspiration from cities in northern Europe when you are in the tropics has always struck me as odd.

Thing is architects draw inspiration from many places and add their flavour. By the time the project is ready, you will see the "local content" and flavours

bionixs:
I hate APC but pray that APC would continue in Lagos

You mean you hate
1. Tinubu
2. Fashola
3. Osinbajo
4. Ambode
5. Gbajabiamila
6. Ganiu Solomon
7......and co
but pray their footprints and school of leadership continue in Lagos

I say a big Amen

fuckpro:
...STORY STORY STORRYY!!!

deomelllo: :
Lagos is rapidly changing and moving ahead of Nigeria.


Jakande laid down the dream and the wisdom

Tinubu formulated the masterplan

Fashola revolutionalized and actualized the masterplan

Ambode is taking the revolutionized and actualized masterplan to the next level with his own elements

The pressure is already on the next governor after Ambode to fit into the big shoes of the well accomplished Lagos State governors before him.


Eko o ni baje is not just a slogan, it's a way of life, culture, awareness, sense of pride and duty. This is why leadership in Lagos is so different and better than the rest of Nigeria. The Lagos ethos is just not available outside Lagos

...decentralize the sea ports and relocate the headquarters of oil coy and lets see if others won't catch up and overtake

OMG!!! I tot I am living in Nigeria..... You mean the Sea port is centralized? and Govt forced IOCs to locate their HQ in Lagos? Tell me more......

mmsen:
This is good but why is it being patterned after Victoria in London when that terminus was built in the 19th century?

Why not take ideas from more modern structures and cities?

Bros,

What is more important is that it will work, be effective and serve the pertinent needs of the people. "Victoria" works shey? and still very effective, no be so?

yns4real:
The Catholic Bishop of Sokoto Diocese, Bishop Matthew Kukah, speaks to TOBI AWORINDE on the socio-economic situation in the North, President Muhammadu Buhari’s performance and the forthcoming 2019 elections

You were one of those who vehemently opposed Muhammadu Buhari’s presidency from the outset. How would you describe the quality of leadership in Nigeria in the immediate past era?

Vehemently opposed to Buhari? Where did you get this from? I think you were sold this dummy in the heydays of ecstasy, frenzy and euphoria of the Buhariphilia, who jumped out of every corner of Nigeria believing that their redemption was at hand. Sadly, today, a good chunk has since apostacised. I never doubted the sincerity of the President’s intention to fight corruption. However, no matter how much you hate leprosy, you cannot cure leprosy by just giving Panadol to the victim.

My fears were threefold and based on experience. First, no matter the goodness, holiness or devotion of any human being, wait until he or she has power entrusted to them and see what they become. So, even in the most optimistic of situations, set goals and expectations and let the person prove himself or herself. Secondly, what Buhari kept saying about corruption did not seem to be the result of some deep reflections. His claims and strategies had never been interrogated. And finally, I insisted that national cohesion was far more urgent a task than just saying ‘we are here to fight corruption’. That informed what you may have referred to as vehement opposition. I was simply warning against too much blind trust and now we are where we are today.

What worries you most about this administration?

I am worried over the lack of fresh ideas, focus, vision and a seeming insensitivity to public feelings; a kind of contempt for how people feel and the impact of policy choices, on the part of this government. This is a season of anomie and alienation. The (Buhari) government seems closed to ideas that challenge their assumptions and apparently does not care what Nigerians think and what they feel. Else, there is no way that you can have a government make the mistakes that this government has made; refuse to engage citizens and simply refuse to give a damn. It is disturbing and, clearly, the government is listening to other drummers. Technically, no one suggests that their views should be taken, but this government has given Nigerians a feeling that they were sold a dummy. This is sad; very sad indeed.

Buhari and the military under his government have continuously claimed that Boko Haram has been defeated. Do you believe them?

Well, this is part of the problem and I think we should let the evidence — not the sloganeering and propaganda — do the talking. The government has refused to listen to the views of Nigerians about the rather incestuous and non-plural ways it has dealt with security and the appointments of their heads. Perhaps the government has a reason for allowing members of only one faith to monopolise the security apparatus, perhaps because it thinks Boko Haram is a problem within Islam and only Muslims can address the issues. Either way, our country is haemorrhaging in a way that ending the Boko Haram conflict will only open a new chapter in a country of people suffering the collective trauma, fear, self-doubt and a feeling of being totally disconnected from the state that has no empathy. With the government seeing this purely as a military operation, we can spend all the money in the world, but we will be nowhere near having a united nation or people. This battle has become a military operation with all its consequences on the economy and the dynamics of the engagement.

[/b]What was your reaction upon hearing the news of the Dapchi girls’ abduction?

My reaction was that of shock, sorrow; a tragic sense of déjà vu, and some level of near despair.

Do you agree with Buhari that his response time to the Dapchi girls’ abduction was better than that of the previous administration to the abduction of Chibok girls?

This comparison does not arise. One tragedy is bad enough; a repeat is a disaster. It is like asking whether dying by injection is better than drowning.

[b]Do you think Buhari owes Nigerians an apology, considering his commitment to rescuing the Chibok girls and defeating Boko Haram within the first few months of his presidency?

Why should he apologise? I believe this government has done its best and this is about all it can offer. So, they should be judged not on speculation but on the reality. The issue of an apology does not arise because what we are seeing is the best that is on the table and this is the best team for the job in their view.

Buhari’s health was a major talking point last year with the President spending several weeks on two medical trips. Do you think Buhari owes Nigeria an explanation about what he was treated for?

You mean he should apologise that he was sick? I think we should respect everyone’s privacy. You don’t lose that by being a public servant. I was not happy the way we handled the issue of the President’s health. Others behave differently and I think we should learn not to play politics with everything in Nigeria.

Does his physical fitness worry you, given the possibility of his running for a second term?

There is a Hausa proverb which says, ‘You cannot borrow someone else’s mouth to eat onions’. No one has the right to decide on anyone’s health and as to whether they are capable of a particular function. It is left for the insiders of a party to decide whom they will field as a candidate even if the person is on a stretcher. Today’s weightlifter could fall sick tomorrow. Let the party decide who their best candidate is.

Three of the major promises of this administration are to fight corruption, boost the economy and conquer Boko Haram. Would you say the government has made any significant stride in these areas?

I have said repeatedly that personal opinion does not matter in the long run. Look at the reports from the Federal Bureau of Statistics, the United Nations Development Programme, Amnesty International or Transparency International. What does the evidence suggest? You cannot pick and choose what you want to believe. Or look at the entire Nigerian landscape littered with corpses, destroyed businesses and buildings, all the ravages of war. This is very painful.

What achievements do you think the Buhari government has made?

There is a Minister for Information; he has that duty, not me. They said they have technically defeated Boko Haram, reflated the economy, and brought back some Chibok girls and the Dapchi girls, bar Leah. We now have 7,000 megawatts of electricity and so on. They are also telling us about new multi-billion-naira projects which they are embarking on with no idea when they will be completed. The faces of Nigerians tell a different story and, sadly, we are not communicating with one another.

How do you feel about the recent revelation that senators receive N13.5 million monthly as running costs and that House of Representatives members receive N12m monthly?

Senator (Shehu) Sani has done his job. It is left for Nigerians to decide what to make of it. It is a pity that we are in such a state of stupor that nothing can rouse us from our apathy and this country will continue to sink. Will the President, Vice President, governors and ministers ever come clean or does it require reverting to the Freedom of Information Act? In the mafia, they call this destructive secrecy ‘omerta’, an oath of silence under pain of death. This is why Senator Sani deserves our respect for taking the decision he took. We hear that the Revenue Mobilisation Allocation and Fiscal Commission (RMAFC) is claiming ignorance as to these sums. But, as I have always said, governance in Nigeria is a criminal enterprise which functions above the law.

What are your thoughts on governors’ transition to senators when their eight-year tenure is completed?

Well, what else is there for some of these people to do? Can they go anywhere to deliver a lecture or write books on their experiences? This country stands or falls depending on what the governors do.

What is your grouse with Governor Nasir el-Rufai?

What do you mean by grouse?

You recently criticised el-Rufai on his handling of the Southern Kaduna massacre. Do you think there is room for reparations?

Did you read my sermon in its entirety and why do you single out Governor el-Rufai? It was a funeral and there was the need to set the records straight. I simply articulated an evidence-based side of a story that I had played a role in. If that is what you mean by criticism, then fine. We are all entitled to our opinions but we are not entitled to our facts because facts are sacred. I presented my side of the story based on my personal experience with the claims he made.

What can the governor do to make amends?

Amends with, or to, whom? That is within the realm of governance which requires consultation and consensus building.

You have been vocal about the role of the northern elite in the poverty and underdevelopment plaguing the North. Can you elaborate on this?

[b]
[b]My field of doctoral research was on Religion and Power Politics in Northern Nigeria and the result was my book, ‘Religion, Politics and Power in Northern Nigeria’. It opened up new frontiers and it was a pioneering research on how religion has been used to mobilise and retain power by the northern Muslim elite. I had over 100 recorded interviews with a cross section of northern politicians across the divide.

This has given me an appreciation of the issues. It does not make me an expert. However, it is because of this that those who do not want to follow the arguments keep falling back and accusing me of being anti-northern or anti-Muslim. This is the easy line for those who benefit from this manipulation but do not want to face the consequences.

There is a noble obligation that all elite owe to those they represent; those on whose shoulders they may have stood; those who voted for them or those who helped them get an education. In the rest of Nigeria, this elite have met these obligations by building schools, hospitals, clinics, and so on for their people. They have bridged the gap between government’s absence and the welfare of their people. This is the story of almost all of southern Nigeria and parts of the Middle Belt.

In the North, the evidence of this dereliction of duty litters the entire landscape, millions of out-of-school children, federal and state government projects such as irrigation and power-generating dams that now lie abandoned in remote communities, structures, such as the Almajiri schools, all in decay in many communities, and so on.

Look at the World Bank, UNDP and other reports on development in Nigeria and look at northern Nigeria. The sad thing is that for the elite, these lives of destitution, illiteracy and squalor are reservoirs of investment from where they draw their oxygen of political relevance. The grinding poverty leaves the people permanently below zero and all they do is continue to look at the stupendous wealth of the elite with awe. In exchange, they (the elite) pretend to offer them (the poor) dubious religiosity through the manipulation of pilgrimages and construction of mosques.[/b]

Could that be the reason for the emergence of Boko Haram?

In my view, it is the long historical experience of this distortion of the religion of Islam with its exclusionist tendencies that Boko Haram has exploited. Boko Haram exploited the fact that this elite proclaimed Sharia in 1999 and 2000, while in reality, they did not believe in the religion itself. So, Boko Haram simply has asked them to step aside.

Indeed, the Buhari project presents us with an interesting view. The average northerner has become far more impoverished under Buhari than he was under (former President Goodluck) Jonathan. But they will still vote for Buhari because they see him as the only one who can help bring their derelict elite to order. It is a strange appeal but that is it. They believe their corrupt elite are above the law. They were seduced with Sharia because they believed it was going to help them punish their own elite, who they see as being above the law of Nigeria. These are the issues.[/b]

Did the northern elite act against the interest of their people intentionally?

If they were mistaken, 50 years would have been enough to correct the mistake, but as I said, this culture of ignorance, poverty and squalor is an investment. Aminu Kano spent his life trying to open the eyes of his people, the Talakawa. The late Bala Usman, a phenomenal intellectual, made massive contributions in this regard by subjecting this charade to critical social analysis. The result was a ‘saner’ environment for the generation of fresh ideas among Christian and Muslim scholars. Ideology replaced the divisive tendencies of religion among the elite. Fighting the Kaduna mafia and other mafias was an ideological project. Today, Alhaji Balarabe Musa and some of the remnants of NEPU (Northern Elements Progressive Union) politics remain the last of the best wine.

What are the interests for the northern elite?

They want to permanently hold on to power. Inherently (there is) nothing wrong with that if it can be used for the good of the people, but after all these years of monopoly of power under the military and civilians, we northerners are still the weakest, the most sickly, the poorest, the most illiterate, and the most vulnerable. We have the highest number of childhood stunting, which is a danger to the future. The elite have brought shame on us and made us too weak to fight.

[i][b]
Do you believe in restructuring?[/[/b]i]

Does it matter what I or anyone believes? Even if it determines the outcome of the elections, did the All Progressives Congress not promise us restructuring? Promises have never been a problem. The saddest part of it all is that even the politicians do not expect to be believed, but somehow, we stupidly do. The Kenyan scholar, Patrick Lumumba, once said the tragedy with Africa is that those with ideas are not in power, while those in power have no ideas. The sad thing, he said, is that when the people have a chance, they still vote for those with no ideas.

[b]What do you think the North has to gain or lose in restructuring?[/b]

They may perhaps gain the chains of poverty and the fear of those who hold the chains over the majority of our people.

What do you make of the APC committee on restructuring led by el-Rufai?

I have not seen it.

Many have described the APC panel on restructuring as an afterthought by Buhari to score political points. Do you agree?

No idea. Nothing is ever late. It is when honesty appears that matters.

What are your thoughts on the Catholic Church in Nigeria rejoining the Christian Association of Nigeria?

How can we rejoin what we started?

Do you still maintain a relationship with former President Goodluck Jonathan?

I don’t know what you mean by ‘a relationship’. The last time I saw him was when the Peace Committee had a consultative audience with him after the swearing-in of the new administration.

Do you have any expectations concerning the outcome of the 2019 elections?

Let us pray to be alive first. 2019 is a long way away. But I tell you that I have never felt this sense of foreboding. Things could change, but we have to plan how to cross this wide river that lies ahead of us.


http://punchng.com/why-the-north-will-still-vote-for-buhari-in-2019-matthew-kukah/

Many of you lot need to improve in introspection and deep thinking. You are not reading in-between the lines and not reflecting deeply. Starting from the journalist that did this interview, his pattern of questions and the innuendos laced in Father Kukah's replies........trust me, PMB has Father Kukah's vote already

Tundeobama:
The question is: will he win the north central and
the south west? Those two zones defined the
winner in 2015 and will still do in 2019

Let's start from this stand point. Do we understand this simple analysis and its implications? Do we see it from the necessity of bridge building as against the hate-filled posture? Do we consider it necessary to advocate for closure of gap in education and health-care for these people to be educated so that they can be among many other benefits worthy and useful alliances in nation building? Do we appreciate a future commerce potential from this block and how it will stimulate our local economies and polity?

trillville:
This is very obvious. Buhari will sweep the core north as he has always done. PDP choosing a northerner has simply giving Buhari a clear path to re-election. The only way to beat Buhari is if a popular southern candidate steps up. That is why I have been advocating for Sowore.

The youths need to change the subject from North versus South [/b] to Incompetent, Analog, Elitist, Old people versus Creative Thinking, Digital, Socially and Masses Oriented, Youthful people.

This is the only way I see Buhari not getting re-elected.

Bros,

The "youths" that needs to change the subject largely are yet to understand the subject. The so-called youths actually ooze signs of incompetence, are lacking in creative thinking, less analytical and more emotional. Many of these youths on Social Media have hardly demonstrated lack of wisdom and unpreparedness for leadership of any sort. While we want quick fixes, we are not ready to pay the price. We want power handed to us on a platter, we complain to the high heavens yet we make no creative effort to show we can do better. That it ever became a North vs South issue in the first place shows how naive and gullible we have been

These to me is the greater challenge of our generation

Ipob member abi "Cheap Skate"........

DonVikings:

daddyiel: :
46% how, where? There is just 12 uncompleted pipes in the river... I pass that road twice daily

We thought Jonathan had completed 90% of the project.

....the same bridge GEJ and his team used to campaign?

daddyiel:
46% how, where? There is just 12 uncompleted pipes in the river... I pass that road twice daily

So in your village, the basis of Project Progress Reporting is "I pass that road twice daily......"

Jeezuzpick:
More than 120 uncompleted power transmission projects (trust me I am sure of what I'm saying) with a good number of them unfunded in the budget any given year, and this man is here spewing trash?

Let's just say Fashola shouldn't have taken the job.....

This is where you lost me...........trust who?

GavelSlam:
Ironsi's initiative.

Nope, Lord Lugard's

Who is doing this "laundry" work for Okotie-Eboh?

See my reactions in blue

three:
Nairaland is robust because it allows discourse. - Somewhat true....to the extent that such "discourse" are credible. Do you also know NL is referred to as the "Dust Bin" of SM ?

Many come here to read comments - some for enlightenment, some for entertainment, some to educate others etc.

Anyone can make a supposition. It is left for them to prove that supposition or be ignored. - The danger in this, especially the underlined on some occasions, is that false/faulty statements could be taken as gospel.


Your example above is interesting.

Some said there were black ancestors on the lineage of the house of Windsor, this sounded outlandish at first but references were made based on research. There is yet to be offered immutable proof but there exists some probability that a black royal existed.- This is what makes it interesting


The point is, hear people out, apply reason to the premise, if it falls short, draw the individuals attention to where it falls short, in turn offering verifiable references. - I will continue to take this under advisement......but allow us some subs attimes........


Let's all learn together.- absolutely with you on this.

Cheers

CofOLandOfPeace:

AyamStarch: :
The title of this thread is misleading

Whitter Elephant project he asked for public opinion about. Interesting though. But our leaders need to be transparent.


Check our signature in blue below and call or click to chat us on your interest.

@ you both, I think it is important to bring to the fore the dictionary meaning of "White Elephant"

white elephant - a possession that is useless or troublesome, especially one that is expensive to maintain or difficult to dispose of.

from the above and many perspective people try to spin it, can both be termed White Elephant?

three:
This was the original post that elicited the response



He clearly stated that it was his reasons and not an empirical statement. He also stated 'mny have been embezzled' (sic) again no empirical statement there and clear indication of personal opinion.

Do you want to stretch this? His reasons automatically translate to personal opinions to "safe-land" your narrative? "His reasons" are not an indication of making assertive statements presumed to be facts?

Ok Lemme try this

The Pope is an impostor.....my reasons......A black man should have been elected and his ascension to the papacy..was through bribery

0monnak0da:
Why must be referrng to you?

Thnkng about what you eat today just ensures that you are alive tomorrow.

f you die today you can never grow tomorrow.

When you show me how a Stadium in Uyo is their priorty we can talk

Qatar s not a fotballng naton t has not got n place the nfrastructure and won based on a promse to BUILD

That promse is credble based on FAT BANK ACCOUNT

So Qatar is not comparable to Brazil whch has hosted the Cup and won t several times
IT IS BUILDING FROM SCRATCH

Our youths are desperate they need jobs

Accordng to you we should not be thinking of jobs otherwse we won't grow? See Logic

Bros,

Both premises you posted in the underlined are factually incorrect. I give you the assignment to disprove this

@ bold,[this is me "jaw-dropped" ] It is needless debating this with you

three:
Mapet na wah for you oh!

So you sabi d koko of d matter come dey form?

You are spot on as per PPP being abused in these parts and used as SPVs to circumvent established procurement laws in order to create opacity, non-competitiveness as well as siphon funds.

However, even the normal rules for PPP should yield a good return for everyone. Contractors have to make profit. The people need infrastructure (as established via a needs assessment) and the nation needs development. This must be within just parameters.

PPPs done right are not evil or opaque.

Don't get me wrong. I am somewhat in agreement with the underlined as the ultimate objective......but I will be pragmatic to say that the boys that introduced PPP to us have moved on at "Jet-Speed" while regulation is still doing "warm up"

JohnieWalker:
Even though both are white elephant project, Football offers more. This doesn't justify the fact that spending such amount of money on a stadium doesn't make it a non white elephant project...Just like say Benz and Audi gulps fuel but Audi is more preferrable.

Please can you engage me a little more and expatitate why you take the position that both are "White Elephant" and what should have been built instead?

0monnak0da:
Na who belleful dey host world cup or World Bottle.

So number priority should be food and the means (Jobs) to pay our bills.
Qatar belleful now and say them want host World Cup and are building everything from scratch. They won the right NOT based on existing infrastructure but a fat bank balance . They are still building as we speak

I believe you're referring to my post shey? With due respect your submission (underlined) above, such orientation is the exact reason why our growth has been slow. We always think about what we will consume today with no thought on building what will sustain us tomorrow

Secondly, see as you ignorantly "scored an own-goal" in the bolded part. Qatar is not building everything from scratch......and nobody wins hosting right based on "fat bank account"; or better still, lemme guess, following the tot process from your submission, cities like Rio de Janeiro(Brazil), USA-Mexico-Canada (joint bidders for 2026), Others in the past (Germany, South Africa, South Korea) had nothing but....what did you call it again.... ...."fat bank balance "?

TheAlchemist:
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A transparency public bid evaluation process would actually give you the true cost of a project, so was such a process followed and where are the list of the world class firms that took part in the bid round and there previous project track records.

This project is a PPP. How the rules play in competitive bidding is different. Since these guys are going to source for the funding and less from govt, then the valuation may not be so much the subject of scrutiny as the ability to source for the funding. Might I also add that these are one of the creative ways these our smart Lagos leaders of the Tinubu stock have been killing many birds with one stone and stay legit.

three:
Intolerance to others' views or perceived ignorance is not a sign of intelligence.

It might be a sign of superiority BUT no one knows everything (FACT), HOW will you know that you do not know and who will then educate you on that which you do not know if you hold superiority over others?

Bros,

Permit me to 'humbly" react to these your posers like these;

1. I believe the basic tenets (assumed) in public space discourse is for us to engage with candor and a sense of responsibility to how we present what should be knowledge. If the guy had come on the premise of asking to be educated in this regard, it would have been different. Why would you make emphatic statements and gaffes on something you do not know zilch about?

2. This is absolutely not intolerance to others' views. It is simply a call to a certain basic level of "discipline" in discourse or debates. The discipline is that you do not put out as facts statements that are false and expect not to be challenged; neither can you recourse to asking to be educated when you have made false assertion........."to thine own-self be true..............", what you don't know simply own up that you don't

3. No one knows everything...absolutely TRUE. no one is supposed to. We all contribute to knowledge so that we can as a collective know more. Following from this, you will then understand the danger of someone adding falsehood to knowledge.....

4. How will you know that you don't know? Simple. ACKNOWLEDGE IT when you don't know. Don't give a posture that you do when you don't

Cheers

AtikuNetwork:
Akpabio did well by building that stadium in Uyo and the Lagos government is also doing well for building the Oshodi terminal. These are infrastructures that we see and admire when we go to other foreign countries like South Africa, Europe, America, etc but when we try to replicate it here some people must complain. [/b]We should learn to give credit to our governors that are trying to modernize our infrastructures and stop this [b]enemy-of-progress behavior that complains whenever infrastructures are upgraded please.

This is my position too. What many people fail to get is that these are the necessary infrastructures that enhance a better quality of living for everyone. Let's take South Africa for example, how do you think they were considered, talkless of winning the bid to host a world cup? How do you think Morroco is a prime force in the bid for 2026 world cup? What do you think is happening to countries/Cities after they win bids to host the world either in sports, tourism or commerce?

We need to get our mentality off "projects" as we call it and see the big picture